Trump, Himmler, Putin and 'Atheist Christianity' | Slavoj Žižek's plot to save the West

he has less power and influence in that at that level and I'm talking about You know, the fact that Bernie Sanders has discussed a lot about the left of American politics in the 2020 election, certainly more than in the lead-up to this one, in In this country we had Jeremy Corbin leading the L, the Labor Party, now that everything went terribly wrong but there was a clear nod to the left towards socialism and now we have a very centrist Labor party, a conservative party that is desperate to reclaim and identify with the right and in the United States you have had the centralist president Biden and now You know again that you are leaning to the right with Donald Trump, so does this mean leaving aside the liberal left?

Does this mean they actually have less influence here? Pessimistic and I agree with my friend uh yanis vakis, who claims that the key to These events are something very tragic. The left, the moderate left, is losing because it is still obsessed. It is a very conservative power force. The political force because his dream is still: "Let's go back to the golden era of the social democratic welfare state. That's over. Vakis is right when he says that what we have today is something that is problematic but he calls it techn falis, these mega corporations today Apple Amazon and others are no longer ordinary capitalist agencies, they are neopal corporations that control a certain domain and this changes the entire panorama by controlling what we control what we for the extension of the books, yes and here, then, the problem is not how counter capitalism, the problem is that capitalism is no longer the old capitalism against which traditional social democracy worked relatively well and you know what's so sad, that Trump knows this, in a sense, he uses it very intelligently.

This when you paint the enemy as the deep state, that is, the large corporations that control us, it is simply here to some extent here, so I am totally opportunistic, I do not exclude anything, I am even tempted to say that maybe in some strategic point the left should join forces, sorry for using this very naive term, uh, small creative capitalists against large corporations, now we are in such a suffocating pseudodynamic where everything changes but the situation becomes more and more oppressive, democracy is coming to an end and Especially here, I deplore the British Brexit despite all the horrors it caused.

I like the idea of ​​the European Union, which means that different countries with different cultures come together only to guarantee certain basic coordinates, ecology, women's rights, human rights, etc. now all over the world this new nightmare is global capitalism combined politically and religiously with the return to a strong nation state look at China this is something new happening there now they are putting all the pressure on Ur on the Tibetans China is taking of the West of the Western Enlightenment precisely that something we should abandon today, which is a strong nation state, look at Modi in India, Hindu nationalism doing the same thing, Putin is basically doing the same thing, etc., so there are many nations that want to claim that kind of strong nation state, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe, we're more selfish, maybe, maybe we want to take ownership back.

I think you know, certainly, here in the UK, one of the most common reasons why people voted for Brexit is that, whether it's right or not, we want our country in the past we want to make the decisions that affect us as UK we don't want a court in Brussels to take it over for us now you know, like you, what the problem is, ironically, most of our laws, the legislation, the way we live. Still, according to what is happening in Europe, most of it is just with some small caveats, but I think that in the current global situation, when there are new power blocs, Russia, China, India, the United States, this united Europe It will simply become a popular tourist spot and not anymore. what could have been in terms of power in terms of power military power economic power and so on, but is it not worrying about the power of India, the power of China, yes, yes, and that is very dangerous because now for the Chinese I have many friends there, they told me that Europe is very interesting, if we are interested in development, we go to the United States, but Europe, yes, yes, London, a tourist place, treat us like a tourist, but do you also realize?

Sorry, let's conclude another important point which is what makes I'm a bit pro-European, do you still notice how almost everyone now embraces anti-Eurocentrism? Latin American leftists against Eurocentrism Trump is terribly against centralized Europe, he wants to dismember Europe to make it autonomous. Putin is against Eurocism. Everyone is against Eurocentrism right now. when the European legacy, what is hopefully authentic in this legacy, human rights feminism and all that, some economic justice is threatened everywhere, let's talk about a possible second presidential term of Donald Trump, so In 2016 I was watching an interview and you said you would vote. for Trump, um, mainly because you didn't like what Hillary Clinton had to offer, you didn't like her version of a capitalist that she presented as completely progressive, but she's actually a capitalist and you also said that if Trump were elected in 2016, it would disrupt the political consensus he achieved.

I think without Trump there wouldn't have been a small level of democratic socialism, but let me interrupt you. Sorry, but now you know there is no way for Trump. I think you know what you mean by that, sorry. I want to say this at the time, although the result was a little disappointing, I think four years of Trump's presidency made it clear to everyone what Trump represents, we needed that experience and I think another thing is why Americans want to go back to that . because most of Donald Trump Center's favorite Americans are gone, no not really, that's why they are escaping woke culture, cancel culture, etc., do they really have any Clear Vision other than just going back to the old social democratic ideal and and so on Biden is not even that bad here you remember that a couple of months ago he went to Chicago or where to support the auto workers strike and so on but I don't think we are getting close that's why ironically I call myself a communist but what It means warning a moderately conservative communist, not a communist, this looks at the ecology, looks at all these temperature oscillations and so on, these are problems that cannot be solved locally, it is a matter of survival to invent closer international cooperation in matters of immigration here.

Also here I disagree with many of my leftist friends whose solution is, oh, let's just open borders and so on. No, this is a catastrophe for me because then you will have the extreme right here returning to power. Listen, look at what is happening now in Germany, but especially in Denmark, Sweden, etc., maybe in France it will be like that, we are economically, militarily, ecologically approaching a stalemate and I think the liberal left is still addressing the problem in the sense of let's do it a little bit in a more moderate way. Carefully, they basically don't want to change anything, let's just try to keep our lives the same.

No, a radical change will be necessary. If we enlightened people don't do it, sorry, then the real right-wingers will. Do it, let's end, yes, with the shadows of time and when we look back at this generation, this era, how do you think it will be defined? Ah, wonderful that you said this. Now my love is studying uh uh quantum physics and you know it. idea of ​​a hologrammatic approach in which the same situation could be retroactively redefined in different ways. Our current situation I believe is holographic in the sense that it can be read in three to four different ways and the situation is open.

I'm no longer a Marxist in the sense that there is the goal of socialism or whatever, we don't know, we are really in a radically open situation, we will retroactively see what is really happening today, but we will know what is happening today, sorry, what is happening today, but again my point is very much. More paradoxical, what is happening today is an open situation in which it is not clear where it leads, it is up to us, maybe if Western Europe collapses they will say that Western Europe was just an aberation, in reality we are in this new era of bricks which, in my opinion, is marriage night and so you know, it's okay.

I will make a comparison of megalomania with culture. I admire Shakespeare, but you know that Shakespeare only became Shakespeare at the end of the 18th century, after his death, he was more or less ignored for 100 years, the French classicist Rhine, etc. took over I think it's the same situation today, we are like Shakespeare Europe is the European legacy is like Shakespeare, will it be rediscovered in the same way Shakespeare was discovered or will it remain a marginal aberration in the global progress towards something much more , uh, late night marriage, so again, I think you know who my ideal is here last time I read a book about uh uh right and I'm lying, the second guy after M, you know, when I was in '53 in Geneva , I think in the negotiations to end the Korean War, a French journalist asked him what you think. about the French Revolution and you know what is true and I responded that it is too early to say and I was right because when socialism collapsed in 1900 uh 889 it was exactly 200 years under the French Revolution and still now there is a struggle in the conservative liberal version is That entire revolutionary period was an aberration, but maybe not.

I still sympathize with the Jacobins and you see, it is clear retroactively. It depends on us. I don't believe in faith or believe in faith, but through our activity we are creating our faith, yes. in a sense they are changing the past, don't believe me, I will quote your greatest conservative poet, who I like, TS Elliot, who said somewhere of his traditional individual talent that every new work of art, a great work of art , it is not just a break with the past but in a certain sense it changes our perception the logic of the entire past that is, we are where we are today in an open situation to use quantum terminology there are many superpositions but we do not know in what new way they will collapse is an open situation, let's leave it there absolutely fascinating and I have really enjoyed our conversation thank you slavo and it was an honor for me a great pleasure to have you with us and a reminder that slavo's new book Christian Atheism is coming out on April 4th thank you