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Things We Said Today #349 – Great Closers

Things We Said Today #349 – Great Closers
hello and welcome to

things

we

said

today

our bi-weekly podcast about anything and everything to do with the beatles past present future sometimes um solo artists as group you name it we talk about it i'm alan kozen the author of the beatles from the cavern to the rooftop and got that something how the beatles i want to hold your hand changed everything and i'm joined by my two co-hosts ken michaels who you know as the host of the syndicated beatles radio show every little thing and a co-host of talk more talk and he now also has his own youtube channel with more beatles related interviews on it ken beadling all the time how's it going it's going well alan that's that's a verb now right beetling beetling okay okay absolutely that's what that's what we all major in that's right and darren de vivo uh dj at wfuv fm 90.7 in the new york area since 1984 and if you're not in the new york area you can hear him and everything else at wfuv at wfuv.org and when we do the sign offs he'll give you further directions how's it going darren oh you push it it goes so all as well sort of like the mets yeah yeah and lately the yankees tube okay okay excuse me you have to press to play when it comes to darren coleman ken is beetling he's speaking like play yeah yeah i'm pointing like you are you're on my left ken i don't know if that's gonna be for everyone but you know while you watch this thing anyway it's like hollywood...
things we said today 349 great closers
squares we're still figuring out the mysteries of zoom yeah we don't know what we're doing well

today

we have a uh a curious theme that darren came up with um which was to identify what for us are the best closing tracks on beatles and solo albums um closing tracks are important uh you know the the the beatles always thought about their albums as uh you know in terms of running order i mean the first couple were essentially idealized versions of their set list so you got to start as a strong starter a strong closer but you know it doesn't always work and it isn't um necessarily always what they want you know to have a strong closer um as they went on over the years so we're going to look at um at various choices of our own of of which

closers

work best on beatles and solo albums and before that we got the news so over to ken okay thank you alan i realize that for some of you this is old news at this point but it's been a few weeks since our last show and we do have to discuss the official announcement that was made on august the 26th about the upcoming box set on let it be for the cd box set we'll be getting five cds plus a blu-ray the first disc is a remix of the album from giles martin the second and third discs are comprised of rehearsals and jams from apple studios the fifth disc is the 1969 glen johns mix for the album and the next disc is really an ep with four songs it's two from the glen john's 1970 mix of across the universe...
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and i me mine plus there's two uh two new remixes for the single versions of let it be and don't let me down and the blu-ray will have a dolby atmos mix a 5.1 mix and high resolution stereo of the new mix the deluxe version comes as a book with an outer slip case a five record vinyl super deluxe edition also will come out as a book and will have exactly the same content as the cd box set with four lps and one ep but not the blu-ray counterpart with surround sound mixes the book is a hundred page heart cover with an introduction from paul mccartney and will have extensive notes and track by track recording information with never before seen photos personal notes tape box images and more other configurations will also be a two cd version which will have the new remix for the album from giles martin and a cd outtake highlights uh disc which will include the glen john's 1970 mix for across the universe and they'll also be a single lp and single cd versions of just the giles martin remix and with this announcement universal has made available three advanced tracks to preview which are all on youtube the 2021 remix for the single version of the song let it be the first performance on the apple rooftop for don't let me down and from the glen john's mix of for you blue the box that is due out october the 15th and on the same day the book forget back will be released but it's not the same book as the one that we'll get with let it be before we comment...
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at all about this while i don't have all the details as with so many new archival releases from the beatles and their solo music different retailers are offering special goodies to go along with them barnes and noble will have a let it be tote bag target will have a let it be t-shirt which will only come in one size and that's large and walmart will have four separate photos of the beatles that they will offer there's also going to be a picture disc version of the let it be album on the beatles website that's all the details i have about that you guys want to comment about any of this any of the variations um i have to see it like you know it's hard when you're reading off or when you're skimming like a list on a press release i didn't quite understand the concept of including an ep um um and i'm sure that that's going to be uh a hot topic at when it comes when when people actually are like holy smoke they really meant to you know when you have it in your hand but i i don't i don't i don't totally get um the ep concept and also i'm still holding out hope that the box that's going to be one thing the book that's been available well it's coming on in october but the one that was announced a long time ago uh was like one thing and then you figured oh there'll be a box that boom the box set we've got the movie coming is the movie coming on blu-ray after the fact and what about the original cut of let it...
be and what about um uh the full rooftop whether audio video or both there's holes here if nothing else comes out beyond the box that i think i'll be personally a little disappointed with the box

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as a stand-alone thing but if the peter jackson film follows and comes out on physical disk and we get those other

things

that i just mentioned take that whole all of these releases as one and it'll be hard to complain but looking specifically at the box set now from the press releases the ep is a head scratcher for me but uh uh you know it when all

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and done people watching you folks watching us you're gonna like it you're gonna love it you might have you might have issues with what could be missing or how it could have been done differently but still i mean it's it's it's going to be a gold mine uh of stuff that coming out legally for the first time but the ep i don't know yeah it's it's already a head scratcher for a lot of fans and there'll always be fans that'll think you could have put a lot more on this so um you know i'm reviewing it for the wall street journal so i actually have already heard it and i can tell you the ep makes no sense whatsoever i have no idea why they did that i i can't even think you know usually i can figure out someone's rationale well could it be would you say can total number of desks in the in the big box set in the five or six did you say well six if you count the blu-ray okay...
now if you were to take the songs that are on the ep and put them on another disc which is probably would be the sensible thing to do put them in with like the glen mix is just separated um now you've like reduced your box set by a disc and it's might be a well it might be getting tricked here because now you you're skimping on something that in the past with each box that i'm sure people are expecting bigger and more and uh by putting out the ep there's the illusion that you're getting oh it's six discs it especially doesn't work in a case where every single moment of these sessions has been bootlegged we know what they had to choose from so it's not as if you know if they had to reduce it by a disk they had to sit there and say oh my god what can we include you know there's plenty to include um but it would mean using the twickenham stuff um because really the apple stuff they pretty much had rehearsed the material and they were recording the material that was going to be on the album and i guess they felt that there's um you know only so many outtakes of the same song that you can have but there were jams in between some of the songs i mean we have all these recordings um but they could also have gone back to twickenham they may feel that twickenham since there wasn't a multi-track console available at twickenham the reason we've heard them all is because of the niagaras but the niagaras are mono recordings um very high...
quality mono recordings um and they sometimes have you know they they basically are following the film crew so there are beeps and there are slate calls but it's not like there's a beep or a slate call every two minutes there are long stretches of music and with

today

's technology i mean um it at least two people i know of have already used for stem technology and other

things

to make stereo mixes of some of these these tracks so there's a ton of stuff that they could use from twickenham to fill this set out the thing is that they might not have wanted to because that stuff's in the peter jackson film and we don't know what's in the peter jackson film so this is only theoretical right um if peter jackson has all the stuff like you know susie's parlor and the fast version to get back and the fast version of two of us and and a lot of those other

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that um everyone has known and loved since about 1970. um you know it's it's it's very possible that that's why they're not in here and that when the film comes out and the blu-ray we will then have a really good selection of stuff from the get back let it be sessions um but if it were to be just this box um i'm not sure you can make that case um so maybe release a soundtrack album yeah who knows yeah you know what i mean the soundtrack to peter jackson's get back or whatever you know uh and and there you'd have at least a healthy sampling of the niagara tapes etc...
um you guys familiar with uh it's a triple bootleg the black album yeah is it is it the behind closed doors that one it's no it's the it's it's it's it's the black album it was actually the first bootleg i ever bought uh at the first beetlefest i ever went to and i was learning at this point and still trying to figure seeing

things

that now i know are obviously bootleg recordings but going through the bins back when uh those who've gone to beetlefest before and have gone for many many many years back in the day the record vendors would have their bootlegs right in there with you know uh with the regular releases and i remember seeing so much stuff that i was like what what is this thing yeah and the black album was the white album in reverse packaging wise right uh but it was uh and it came with a poster with let it be photos and i don't recall i think there was bits of dialogue on the other side of the poster which i haven't looked at in eons yeah and the three lps were from the get back sessions and it was all packaged beautifully as the black album but it was often aggro tapes i had no idea what niagara tapes were when i guess i was probably 17 when i got it so songs would start and it'd be like that's

great

and there's irritating beep would come and that would be the end of the track and it would pick up halfway through the long and winding road and beep you through a third weight so but in this day and age i would...
imagine that all there's healthy chunks of that stuff that could be salvaged and put out quite a lot you know there were albums on there were three volumes of um a bootleg called sweet apple tracks each volume was a double record set and and that has some really good interesting funny stuff um so i'm just hoping that that stuff's gonna be in the peter jackson film because uh i would have put it on the box set but it could be that they don't want duplication and peter jackson's gonna show that stuff and uh and and seeing it is probably better than just listening to a cd of it that's why you know peter jackson has

said

he's gonna have the whole rooftop concert so that will be there and whether or not they put out a soundtrack album uh is sort of beside the point because you can rip the disc and burn your own cds if you want to if you really have to have it on cd i kind of think that uh you know cds are a little bit archaic i mean i hope that um apple slash universal continues doing these for the other beatles albums because the productions are really nice they come with

great

books it's you know all that um but i haven't you know i haven't burned a cd in ages you know if uh if if i were gonna put together a playlist of stuff that isn't available on a cd like the complete rooftop um i probably would just do it on my computer just leave it there you know but that's just me listen to joe tecky over here i still burn cds myself but um...
there's only so much we can debate this when we don't know what's about to unfold and um you know there's a never-ending debate where the niagara stuff is concerned uh that the beatles if they care about sound quality if that's a main concern of theirs and there's probably a lot you could do to improve the sound quality they only want to put out the best product that they can and they have every right to feel that way but then we don't know what's going to happen with the peter jackson film as we

said

and if there's going to be a soundtrack and who knows really and then the knackers really do sound good i mean it's not like those are you know handheld recordings with an open mic they they they really are good recordings it's just um they're mono but the beatles have

said

that they like mono better so there you go you know and with what we have

today

with technology it's hard for me to believe that they can't do something maybe to turn it into stereo somehow they can they can people who know people sitting at their desktop yeah already done it and as we talked about here there's some beatles recordings like uh you know the the deca tapes that they've done that too right and i think they did it too uh she loves you because the stereo disaster was was ruined or destroyed yeah they've done it to all the hamburg tapes too and uh and i have to say i've heard the stereo version of the niagara's and actually...
there are a lot of

things

that are clarified even though it's not real stereo it's just the four stem thing um you know and it doesn't have artifacts which is one of the problems with doing this kind of thing they've done a really good job and um you know when when we were working on the on the mccartney book there were certain

things

where we wanted some dialogue of what was going on there and i listened to the original niagaras and you know you can hear it but um it was actually a lot clearer on the fake stereo one that came out so uh you know i think i i think they did a good job and they weren't abbey road there's some guy with a computer so some guy who is abbey road giles could probably do you know something spectacular with them one would think and also you know what since they they've got all these uh you know the the okay you you don't get a new version of get back single mix because i think first of all we had it on the one album um but also it's on the glen john's album in the form it is in the single with the you know come reprise at the end and everything so they probably thought no point in in redoing that um they did remix let it be uh and don't let me down the single versions but we don't get you know my name look up the number and okay that's really a more or less 1967 recording but it was a b side of let it be so it kind of belongs in the set and it would have been

great

to hear that in 5.1 too so um you...
know all that you're getting on the 5.1 is the remix of the album the let it be album uh right and that too i think some of these other remix tracks really should have been on the uh the 5.1 disc as well and it should have included you know my name look up the number insurance and also the uh stereo remix of the fly on the wall disc from i'll let it be naked no we need that okay there's also the the issue of and this is my own personal feelings here with the niagara stuff even if the sound quality remained terrible if you're putting out a box set chances are the same people who have been buying these bootlegs all these years will be willing to spend the money for something like that yeah so you're not alienating anybody by putting that stuff out yeah but maybe it'll be in the jackson thing i mean that that's what i'm holding out for you know that it will be in the film you know certain of these um really interesting twickenham performances you know i mean susie's parlor uh they're they're sort of weird little version of oblatio lada the third man theme like a lot of those

things

you know they're they are having fun and they're doing them in a in a kind of amusing way i'm sure it would be better to see them than to just hear them so i'm hoping that peter jackson will have used them and if not there's still time to recut and then then there's the question of when we see it on disney how long will it take before...
the dvd and blu-ray comes out right it'd be nice if it was out for christmas but there's no guarantee of that anyway ep though separately as a picture disc for christmas don't give him any idea ep yeah record story in november all right uh more news here on september 10th that's this week we'll be getting a limited edition special white vinyl release for john lennon's imagine following the incredible box set that came out in 2018 this will be a double vinyl release with the remix of the album from paul hicks and an album of outtakes similar to the double vinyl version that came out at the time of the box set only difference is this is in white vinyl for the collector who must have everything like alan interesting interview with rick rubin in ultimate guitar discussing how the mccartney 321 series came about rick was quoted as saying if you would make a list of the 10 best bass players in the world many people wouldn't put paul on the list he belongs on number one but you don't think of him as a bass player because he's a beatle and the beatles transcend music in some ways who's rick rubin hang out with what a weird question i don't know but no well you know a lot of people are so overwhelmed by the beatles and their presence and the music is

great

that very often you don't hear how

great

they are as musicians it's not just paul why do you feel that way you don't you don't sense the same thing well mccarney i've...
never sensed that i've always thought that mccartney usually gets his due um when talking about

great

basis maybe it comes down to you know john n whistle versus mccartney or chris squire or who's better or who's number one but i've always seen mccartney in in the in the conversation yeah okay i usually see him in a list of a top ten but hardly ever do i ever hear anyone give him number one status unless it's a you know very big beetle fan and a big mccartney fan um he

said

i called paul and

said

i have an idea a documentary about you as a bass player you as a musician we don't really talk about that we talk about the songwriting we talk about beatlemania but we don't talk about the bass playing and he

said

sounds good let's do it and that's basically how it happened just some quotes from rick rubin in that article our brand new limited edition issue has just come out for super deluxe edition magazine on paul's press to play album only one thousand copies were made all of which were signed by editor paul sinclair and the first 500 are signed by hugh padgem who co-produced the album with paul it includes an interview with pageant stories behind all the songs plus others recorded during the sessions that weren't included in the album like spies like us and hand glide other news george harrison's archival release for all

things

must pass which re-entered billboard's top 200 album charts at number seven last week drops all the...
way down to 189 this week just means everybody who wanted it bought it all at once here come the colored vinyl according to one of my most reliable news sources that being darren de vivo i never before published cassette tape with an interview with john and yoko from their famous winter stay in thai northern jutland from january 5th 1970 will soon be up for auction at broon rasmussen auctioneers in copenhagen the 33-minute long recording includes a conversation between the famous couple and four 16 year old school boys who were allowed to interview lenin and ono and at one point the never published song radio peace is also played the cassette tape has an estimated price of two hundred thousand to three hundred thousand in danish krone don't know what that translates to american dollars for a 16 year old danish schoolboys were allowed to interview the couple for the local uh school magazine and now more than 50 years later they've chosen to put the cassette tape with the conversation and the never release song radio piece for auction the cassette tape is accompanied by a series of photographs taken by one of the four school boys with john and yoko relaxing on a sofa wearing wool socks and their feet resting on a table with yoko's daughter kyoko present the lennons were in denmark to talk to yoko's previous husband tony cox over the custody of their daughter kyoko and the auction will take place on september the 28th okay peter asher resumes touring september...
16th for five dates in new york and new england to see the lists of dates check out the upcoming concerts and events page on my website which is kenmichaelsradio.com the george harrison festival formerly known as harry fest that i reported on taking place on october 9th in westport massachusetts has been canceled due to covid and they're hoping to reschedule it for early next year we're going to close with believe it or not five passings to talk about three of which happen to be drummers of course there's charlie watts the legendary drummer of the rolling stones the steady beat behind the band this

great

band for all their classic recordings and tributes we're pouring in from ringo and paul and so many other people you guys want to say anything about charlie uh darren um they're different type drummers but i always kind of thought ringo and charlie watts were you know i hear i

said

they're different drummers and i'm going to say they're cut from the same cloth same type of drummer in that the less is more approach the rhythm the rhythm and the beat were more important than the show that say somebody like keith moon might give you um i've always enjoyed watching charlie play um uh whenever you know there's a concert footage i'm always looking for charlie uh just in in his style being a wannabe musician myself you know um and uh always had a

great

drum sound um i don't know what more could be

said

he was uh he was truly a rock...
legend music legend uh more ways than one um and it was a shock to hear uh that he passed yeah alan yeah i think you know darren basically

said

the essential

things

i think he and ringo are like the two most underrated drummers in rock um they're they're both really exceptional drummers if you listen to what they're doing closely and uh but they weren't you know showboats um so you know that that's not to uh not to uh deny the incredible talents of keith moon and john bonham and and other drummers um but you know who were showy uh but you know it's just a different kind of thing and uh i also sort of always enjoyed charlie watts's jazz

things

you know he had side projects because he was a jazz drummer before he joined the stones and and that was his love um so yeah i don't have it here with me it's upstairs i should have uh figured that we would talk about uh but i was unaware uh that that charlie watch and jim keltner did an album together as uh the charlie watch jim keltner project and uh picked up a copy on ebay uh but it's i haven't listened to all of it i sampled a little bit of it it's kind of interesting because it's not a jazz record it is and it isn't it's also like electronic uh you know beats and synthesizes stuff it seems pretty interesting but uh that was one that slipped past me i never knew that there was the uh charlie watch jim keltner project and they didn't want it i wasn't even aware of...
that yeah of that album yeah because i went looking because i have a few of charlie's jazz albums which luckily i got um you know back in the 90s when i was working at fuv and uh was um there's one called um a tribute to charlie parker with strings which is an outstanding album that was the first one that i ever heard that i owned and that that was like wow charlie wash is this i don't think i was aware at the time that he was this much of a jazz head and uh uh he must have really enjoyed the waiting on a friend sessions when they brought sonny rollins sonny rollins in to play saxophone um on tattoo u so wow i really can't add more than what you guys have

said

but i've always enjoyed all the classic rolling stones and stuff and i think sometimes drummers like charlie or ringo are so taken for granted because people concentrate on the front men like you

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the showmen and the people behind the scenes the people that provide the steady beat but also accent songs where it's needed with really interesting fills there are they are take it for granted for the most part and they help to really make the song the special recordings that they are it's part of the whole package but uh very sad to hear about that um we also note the passing of another drummer ron bushey from the band iron butterfly bushes primal drumming would go on to influence many of his peers an article from last year on rolling stone included an interview with bushy where he

said

that...
ringo and paul came to see uh the band at royal albert hall and ringo uh took him out for dinner and drinks and

said

to him i hope you don't mind i stole a part of your drum solo from innogata davida for the abbey road track the end i told him not at all i took it as a compliment coming from you i have heard that at times it has been

said

every now and then that ringo borrowed from and i got it to vita i'd really have to go and pay attention the whole song again but you know for that one moment when ringo gave a drum solo it's so entirely his and you think that way but maybe we should go back and listen to i think i couldn't hear where i can't hear where ron bushy and where ringo exact if there's you know but the type of drumming the type of solo um the main difference is one is three and a half hours long and the other is uh is 45 seconds or whatever a lot less than that darren what is it it's it's under 20 seconds right i think i don't know how to count so what do you want um the third drummer i must mention was the original drummer for the circle marty freed who died on september the first the band toured with the beatles on their 1966 us tour and they were known for the hits red rubber ball and turned down day and the group was managed by brian epstein in recent years the group reformed with original member don daniman okay so three drummers right there um were noting their passing also music legend lee scratch perry died at the age of...
85 on august the 29th he's known for being an architect of reggae and dub having produced such acts as bob marley and the whalers the clash and the beastie boys but he also played a part in the lives of the mccartneys in 1977 he cut linda's recordings for mr sandman and sugar time at perry's kingston studio called black ark both recordings are on the lyndon mccartney compilation wide prairie and when paul was busted in japan for possession of marijuana in january of 1980 perry sent a letter to tokyo's minister of justice to voice his support for paul and finally the greek composer and lyricist mikis theodorakis allen's smiling there i hope i pronounced it right by the way he has died as well he scored for the film zorba the greek and serpaco and wrote the honeymoon song which the beatles performed live and recorded for bbc radio and paul mccartney remembered the song and felt that it would be appropriate for his new artist for apple records mary hopkins to sing and paul produced her version on her first album for apple postcard mikis was 96. and you

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serpaco yeah serpaco and zorba the greek i think i'm trying to remember now being a big al pacino fan though i think it was serpaco that um i'm trying to pull up here i mean it's not important i don't want to waste time on this but uh the soundtrack album actually i think it was or my thinking serpico was just reissued uh for record store day um on vinyl the soundtrack album um i hope...
i'm not getting it mixed up with another uh movie from that you know from the pacino was in but um if people care look it up i may be wrong this is sad more indications that as i get older this isn't working anymore um you know see but we're all in the same boat so it's not as noticeable when it's and i bought it because again as a pacino nut yeah i figured that the reissue of the serpico soundtrack i gotta have it you know and it's not out in 10 different colored vinyl editions it was one came out on record store day but now it's going to bother me so i'm going to look it up here while we talk amongst ourselves i have an update on the danish kronos situation okay um 200 000 danish krona is hundred 31 nine dollars and sixty eight cents and for our british friends it's twenty three thousand one hundred ten pounds and forty one pence um for our canadian friends it is forty thousand two hundred ninety two dollars and forty six cents i can give you rupees yen um just write in and i'll okay i'll answer but that's the thousand dollars which i believe was the low estimate uh on that tape so right you can multiply accordingly the wonderful services we provide on this show yeah yeah really and i hear danish and i think of maury in goodfellas because he wants to bring some danish home for his wife and then he gets a screwdriver anyway uh i was right the serpico soundtrack um uh did come out on vinyl i think last year 2020 yeah last year...
uh so there you go if you want to go shopping for your uh meet me theodorakis the collection yeah so that's sir i was right with serpaco coming out on record store day last year anyway hey this is a beatles show yeah so um is that it for the news that is it okay everything here on our topic um so um what we just decided to do since there are so many albums with closing tracks to choose from um is to each choose three beetles discs and five solo tracks from all of them mixed up um and since five is so skimpy given the size of the solo discography we reserved the right to have honorable mentions as well so um how should we start this um it was darren's idea let's start with yeah i guess yeah it was something i thought of a couple of months ago and the song that the mccartney song that always um i don't know the one that spurred the idea was through our love from um pipes of peace um i tend to be as a mccartney fan a bit of a critic of the of the sappy ballads and sappier uh moments in mccartney's repertoire and you could make the argument that through our love could fall into that category but i always thought that was a bang out brilliant valid and produced well by george martin and uh always just really struck me coming at the end of press to play um and made me think and i

said

professor playing a pipe um and it got me to thinking about the songs that end albums that that leave a mark on you um whether it be um putting an exclamation point on the album...
whether it be a curveball that has maybe it just doesn't fit with the album and that makes it something special um whether it's a song that actually adds so much as the end of an album that it actually makes the whole record rise the whole album rise um and it could be anything and you could interpret it anyway and before we started doing the show we were debating would something like her majesty qualify it's a song but it was like an afterthought when they were putting abby road together um would that qualify with something like i know something like spooky weirdness on ringo's rotograph your right that's word of gravity um you know or something right down the middle like maybe a day in the life um a song though that comes at the end of an album that leaves you with like a punch in the gut uh in a good way um that uh kind of is this memorable finale to an album and it doesn't have to be abby rhodes stature it could be like types of peace one of the lesser albums uh and a song that really uh carries the record out like i think pipes of peace is one of paul's weaker albums i mean every artist has weaker albums and best albums i'm not here to bash pipes a piece but uh something about through our love i think really just takes the album and and raises it up a couple of notches uh in my book and mccartney was very good at those dramatic powerful um finales that you remember um so what i did when i made my list because we plan very thoroughly and...
then we all go in our opposite directions and do what we want anyway and i sometimes i always forget everything uh so i actually did pick 10 songs from the solo years because there's so many albums uh mccartney alone uh ringo's 20 studio albums uh and then you add john and george's catalog you can't i cut it down to three and go through all of the solo albums just come up with three

great

finales uh the beatles it's easier because it's a much smaller body of work sure so i thought three um and the beatles have a few obvious ones that i have a feeling are going to be a common denominator for us when we go through hours so um i didn't you want me to go through my my picks why don't we just start with the beatles or do you want to do the solo first however you want to do it who goes first yeah um me i'll do my beetle picks first yeah so i picked three and i have one that i kind of put on the side as a as a possible um you know honorable mention because you know i i tend to think of the earlier albums as being more a collection of songs than in a cohesive album uh and then starting with rubber soul and definitely a little more revolver and obviously sergeant pepper the album is the entity the way the album starts and begins has a

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effect not so much the case with with beatles for sale or dizzy miss lizzie wrapping up the uk help album so the honorable honorable mention that i put in here was twist and shout from please please me um because...
if if there was a an early collection of tracks of the beatles music twist and shout is one of the best ways to just put the exclamation point on on the whole thing but my main three big dramatic can't miss can't forget memorable f album

closers

number one a day in the life and i don't not even gonna explain why speaks for itself number two her majesty uh why because it catches so off guard and i remember one of the first times i ever heard the album when i was five years old and it caught me off guard her majesty and that little clever mistake is an iconic mistake you know a little songlet that was you know sitting there in the middle of all of these medleys that were getting built together gets cut out and paul says throw it away but they don't and uh an engineer tacks it onto the end of the master tape and you now have one of the most legendary maybe for the exception of john cage's what is it two minutes 33 seconds with the exception maybe of that well how much is it 433 right uh and maybe for the exception of the new topian international anthem that's bit of silence there between the end and her majesty uh you're waiting why is my automatic remember when i was a kid my dad had the automatic turn tape why is the needle not coming up what's and for that reason i think her majesty is just it was an accident and arguably one of the

great

est accidents in recorded music having that at the end my third one is tomorrow never knows um for very...
similar reasons as a day in the life from revolver so those are my three beetle picks with twistings down ken okay well my pics are just about identical with yours darren um i felt that as an honorable mention you had to mention twist and shout it was the perfect way to end that album and also i have to admit you really shouldn't have history mixed with the recording and your your overall feeling of listening to the music but knowing that the beatles recorded 10 songs in one day for the please please me album and that was the last one when john was giving it all that he had left he didn't have much of a voice and that's what he came up with for his vocals and it's this iconic rocker now and it's uh you know it became a hit all over again in the 80s with ferris bueller's day off and all that it's become this very classic and there's so many classics i know but a classic rocker that whenever you think about early beatles and classic rockers twist and shout as well as i saw her standing there opening and closing the same album uh you couldn't have asked for a better way to bookend an album than than that whether it was intentional or not but it was it was really you know an ideal choice to end please please me um the top three you have to say a day in the life that's probably it could be the

great

est album closer of all time for many artists and what a perfect way to end that song and with the tremendous orchestral build up and that long e...
chord at the end going on for what was it 40 plus seconds um it gives you chills you know it's it's the you couldn't have picked a better song to end that album um tamar never knows how to put in there because it was so groundbreaking for its time and i think much more appreciated now but it really signaled what was to come with sergeant pepper and it's kind of ironic in a way because samara never knows is the first song they worked on from revolver they didn't lead themselves up to tomorrow never knows they started with tomorrow never knows and um yeah for all the weirdness that's in that track and all the interesting sounds that came out of it i had to put that in there um when it comes to abby rhode you know i i understand your point of view about her majesty and that it catches you off guard and i love all that i love the aspect of it we can debate whether or not certain songs are real songs or complete songs but if you didn't count her majesty i'd have to say golden slumbers carried that weight in the end the whole the medleys on site two are so masterful and as time goes on i marvel at the fact that they did the medleys and that the songs with the exception of golden's plumbers and carry that weight were not conceived this way all these songs were strung together but they were recorded two songs at a time which i found to be really interesting um and somehow it all made sense that it all flowed that whole side two of of abbey road is...
a wonderment and it becomes more so through time but um when you think about the fact that it kind of was like you know it's the end of the beatles the song's called the end it's like an epitaph in a way did they know when they were recording the song that it would be you know the last song on the album and you know people can get very sentimental when they hear the words of golden slumbers um and then thinking about the the end of the beatles and the breakup um it's just a a wonderful you tie all that together with the musicality of all of it and it can't be beat so those would be my top three with twist and shout as an honorable mention i don't think it will surprise anyone okay um my three were tamara never knows i mean you take them chronologically um just because it really is an extraordinary track uh that that sums up revolver perfectly and as as ken says you know was the first track they recorded so how they were summing it up who knows but uh you know it's it's it it has that electronic experimentation in it um and it really sort of pointed to you know where they were and where they were going um we didn't know that at the time where they were going but it it you know revolver sort of flows into pepper in a a pretty natural way um a day in the life whereas pretty much the reasons ken

said

you know the orchestral build up the long court i mean it is an incredible album ender um and it might be the best album ender of all time except...
for for i think the final medley of abbey road that might actually surpass it um you know there you have in the the final track on the final beatles album with the exception of her majesty which i'm going to um think of as having an asterisk although you know darren's reasoning is

great

um the beatles did a lot of that afterwards you know on their solo albums there were lots of little tracks at the ends of

things

and uh i think um i think i tended to look more at the big full-blown final tracks um but you know with the end you've got everyone playing a solo you've got um you know the that the final final bit at the end you know and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make you know is as good a motto for the entire beatles era as you can find um so yeah that to me is like is probably the perfect close or maybe even better than a day in the life and i also had twist and shout as an honorable mention but i had a second honorable mention um from one of the american albums meet the beatles not a second time i i just you know love the way that closes it because it's you know it i still kind of can remember that song fading out and you know and that being it and you know it's a good song that is otherwise sort of buried in the middle of with the beatles um and uh putting it at the end of meet the beatles i i think actually um probably was accidental but i thought it worked really well so those are my beatles ones i always say you remember...
your first but in terms of music i mean not a second time was one of your first album finales and for three first and it left its mark yep if you did it

today

it wouldn't move a wooden movie i'm sure and uh i meet the beatles wasn't the first beatles album i heard was one of them i think my cousin gave me his copy in the very late 60s again when i was amassing these records i was like four or five years old and it was like not a second time left i still can picture it listening to it on my little beat up record player i could still picture and hear the scratches the surface noise as it faded out so yeah you were undoubtedly sitting there saying i just love those aeolian cadences because that's the song that's the song no because mom made aeolian cadences with uh steak on saturday nights and i i would never i was i never liked those never mind but anyway just like alan my first beatles album was meet the beatles and i've always thought of not a second time as an album closer yeah even when i started getting used to the uk albums money doesn't end this album come on it's like these songs develop a character all their own when when they are the last song on an album you know another one i'm sorry they interrupt you you can that's fine another song along those lines for me that i didn't pick and i didn't even actually no maybe i did run for your life some reason that at the end of rubber soul the american rubber soul when i got that...
that i remember getting as a christmas gift around the time i was nine or ten i mean it's a

great

song it's not the beatles best it's far from being the best album closer but early on i heard it was one of my learning experiences and run for your life i'll always picture it's the end of the uk version too if i'm not mistaken yeah it was another one of um john's

things

where you know you can see his inspiration because the seams are still showing you know like come together with uh you know chuck berries you can't catch me and he still has the bit of a line in there and and uh run for your life was from uh elvis baby let's play house i'd rather see a dead little girl than to be with another man um a sentiment that in

today

's world you you i don't know that anybody would record that song but yeah which is a shame in a way i mean does this you know being politically correct in in everything that we do uh people didn't take it as seriously back then and nowadays whenever you know paul or ringo say all our songs are about peace and love well you know maxwell silverhammer was not right you know and run for your life i mean you know so you can you can point out songs like those and and nobody thought much about it you know in those days please send your emails to ken michaels not me not alan it was ken who

said

it brought it up see whatever i'm saying ken is over oh is it see that i mean i should do this thing you know...
there's not a second time as well there was it was sort of almost like this subliminal thing where it's you know you're not a second time i'm not a second and you're thinking no i'm i'm definitely playing this album a second time and you just turn up and do it again you know so i don't know there was something about it there's something about it that that really worked um maybe given the that the fact that that you guys chose the same main

things

as i did i should have made that a main one instead but um so should we go around and do the solo ones starting again with darren yeah i thought alan you were going to pick good night hmm but anyway i would if i were going to do that i would have

said

that good night doesn't count in the way that her majesty doesn't and the white album really should have closed with revolution number nine so i didn't count i didn't break down i have my ten songs here solo stuff uh and it is a little bit mccartney heavy and i think mccartney had more of these songs that i would qualify as epic classic album

closers

um and i will also admit that i only picked one ringo not i love ringo but he didn't tend to have that that that exclamation point at the end of many of his albums he did give us um uh you know there was a couple in a couple of instances those like those bookend

closers

um lennon did the same thing with the rock and roll album which just because almost like he's rolling out the...
credits at the end of the song so in no particular order and i intentionally jumbled it around so it jumps around i mentioned at the top of uh of the top of the topic through our love from pipes of peace okay uh and i already spoke a bit about that so that's one of my 10. uh next one from living in the material world that is all which i think sums up drop my pencil sums up living in the material world very well very simple very spiritual um just gorgeous beautifully produced song that is wouldn't probably work on another album but on living in the material world just compliments everything that you had heard before um so that that is all from george harrison yoko gets a nod for hard times uh are over on double fantasy and yeah i remember when i heard double fantasy for the first time john had already been murdered when i got it for christmas that year 1980 uh it really really hurt hearing hard times are over and i i still to this day think to myself if they only knew you know when she wrote it when they recorded it perfect album closer for an album like double fantasy and what should have been um this uh this

great

positive sentiment as we've looked forward to milk and honey and whatever was going to come the tour or whatever whatever that all that stuff that never was but hard times are over from yoko wrapping up double fantasy uh is my third one here's the one that's going to raise a few eyebrows uh i just from when i was 12 years old loved this song to...
this day uh one of paul's off the wall tunes morse moose and the grey goose putting a wrap on london town um one of paul's better rockers uh

great

vocal don't know what the heck they're singing about and i think that's what really made it appeal to me uh at the end of um at the end of london town um so that's my fourth song number five another wings one baby's request from back to the egg baby's request is another one of those songs that made me think of this topic because after all that went down on back to the egg you know heavy more electric rocking stuff than paul packed onto an album uh than ever before comes this like end of the night hanging out of the bar relaxing jazz tune perfectly executed lawrence tubers guitar playing um steve holly playing brushes uh baby's request uh and then ultimately really being the finale of the final wings album uh that was a subtle yet brilliant mccartney tune that more people should know uh and i think uh did very well there as the finale the back to the egg if you believe from george harrison's self-titled album should have been a massive hit i don't know how it wasn't a massive hit uh and was a fantastic closer to the album positive energy uh perfect marriage of lyrics and melody again it should have been a hit i don't get what went wrong there but i guess that was also at the time when you know people were playing a little less and less george's music they missed out on a big...
one and a good one there with if you believe from ringo you and me babe i had because i wanted to include ringo in this and i think that's the best album closer in my opinion that ringo's done uh i saw co-written with mal evans uh but just you know what like like um baby's request you and me babe might not have worked on another album but on ringo a good natured album like ringo it was an ideal finale uh positive good natured uh wrap it up flip the record over let's listen to it again type of song um warm and beautiful from wings at the speed of sound was another one of those that i was thinking of when i thought of the topic simply a mccartney ballad a love song classic that nobody knows except us hardcore beatles mccartney wings fans warm and beautiful this is another curveball my ninth pick uh meat city from mind games i love meat city i have no idea what it's about i don't think it's about anything it's off the wall it's a

great

song to put into the end of an album yeah um side two of mind games sort of begins to flow a bit on the mellow side uh and then here comes lennon rockin and he rocked better than most and lennon's humor was nuttier than most and then at the end of my list is the ten minute four song medley that adorns the end of red rose speedway um there were simple songs there in some instances you could say hold me tight lazy dynamite hands of love and power cut individually or throw away songs but you know mccartney was...
such a brilliant writer that he heard these four songs that maybe he couldn't figure out what he wanted to do with them or how he wanted to present them he heard them put them together in a medley medley and a medley and uh fantastic you know what i'm saying yeah and my my uh the one that fell off because we i kept it to 10 was the back seat of my car from ram so that's my uh those are my big album

closers

um well i shouldn't follow you darren because there's gonna be a lot of repeats there um first of all thank you for what you

said

about if you believe many is the time i've

said

on the radio it should have been a single you

said

a few of those harrison i don't know don't let me wait for early beautiful girl wasn't this a single true love could have been even if it wasn't a big hit a modest hit um his version of true love uh teardrops yeah teardrops was a single yeah but it didn't you know i know and true love i think was a single in the uk i think i'd have to double check on that but um yeah and but i i don't think those songs from red row speedway in the medley were throwaways i think they could have been on their own separate really strong songs okay that's part of the genius of paul is stringing these songs together and somehow it all flows yeah and the thing that that most of all i love about that medley is at the very end when all the songs are brought together simultaneously and it's it's beautiful it all...
works you know okay so um my endings um let me just bring up something that that you were mentioning earlier in the show when it came to album

closers

there are certain songs where they're very short and you don't really know for sure if you want to count them as real songs um in the case of i want to put god in there as an um closer because it's such a powerful song especially everything that john is saying in the song and striking down idols and i just believe in me yoko and me and that's reality and the dream is over it's such an iconic line now but then there'll be some people who will say my mummy's dead is the last song on the album so it's it's debatable and the beautiful thing about that you can make more of a case for my mummy's dead because it book ends the album you got mother at the start you got my mommy's dead at the end so it has more of a purpose there so um but if you didn't count my mommy's dead you have to put god in there it's just too much of an important song in john's career placed right there at the very end of side two a plastic arnold band and just the whole arrangement of that song and the piano playing on it and billy preston playing on it and ringo's drumming on it oh my god it's you know it's such a masterful song i had to include god um my first three album

closers

are the ones that i felt i didn't even have to think about whereas all the other ones i'd go through...
the albums and i i

said

i'd say that makes a really good album closer um but the second one on my list has got to be 1985. i mean what better way to end ben on the run and to bring back the chorus of bannon at the very end of it you know it's uh it's another song that has this tremendous build up and you've got the tony visconti orchestration uh there at the very end of the song and everything of how the the piano is pumping very much like you know lady madonna style and the melody is just so wonderful and it is a perfect song for paul and i'm so glad that he he brought her into his set list i think it's one of the best songs of his solo career and he's made so many of them but um that's good more more than anything it works as an album closer um you know kind of like and mccartney will do this every now and then he'll take the title track to an album you know um like uh tug of war was made into a tug of peace towards the end of pipes of peace or sergeant pepper bringing that back at the end of the beatles album it's the same thing here with 1985 bringing back ben on the run and then picasso's last words before that had other songs from ben on the run mixed in with it as well um and then i had to put you and me babe in there i mean if there was ever a song meant to close an album that's it because you can picture the song being sung in a nightclub i think you

said

that darren yeah and then here he is thanking everybody who was...
involved with the record and um it's like he's saying goodnight everybody i'm on my way out you know i'm leaving the stage and it has that whole vibe to it um yeah you have to pick you and me babe the other um honorable mentions thank you for saying that is all that is all to me is one of the

great

est love songs george harrison has ever written in his entire career and i have

said

many times that i even think it's of the status of something it's that

great

a song to me beautiful melody beautiful words executed there very simple words but very effective that is all i want to say our love could save the day the very fact of the nature that it's called that is all and it's the end of the album um it works right there i love a really powerful love song ending an album and that's what you got with um that is all i also think hear me lord works not counting apple jam i think that it's you know it's got the spiritual quality and the production of phil spector and george and that that feeling of like you're in a you know a cathedral or a church or something and for some reason maybe it's because i'm so used to it being the less song you know i think of it as an album closer through our love thank you for saying that darren um it is one of the best of paul's love songs in his entire career i feel i love the whole production from george george martin some think it might be a little over produced but i think it works at the end...
and the message of you know we can do

things

that they

said

were impossible we can see

things

that they

said

were invisible on and on and on like that the very positive message of the song and also and i i have to mention this because i do this occasionally but when i when i got married to my wife joanne we had four wedding songs one from each beatle and the one from paul that we picked was through our love um i had to put again another case of does the last song really count nobody loves you when you're down and out is a

great

album closer um but to have yaya at the very end you know a few seconds of that with julian on drums i don't really consider that you know a serious recording right there um so i had to put that in there and that's an amazing song to itself the words in that song are fantastic very depressing but it works for how many are you trying to do right there this is seven well you had ten right darren i just went with ten straight right yeah darren i should i should mention to the listeners that darren was the one who came up with the idea of doing five actually no ten that was ken what you were right someone

said

five and then it well you have uh five honorable mentions five plus five is ten okay okay yeah so i'll just mention the other three without going into detail about it i thought backseat of my car is one of the

great

closers

i love only our hearts from kisses on the bottom another

great

love song from paul which is very much overlooked...
my valentine got all the attention but only our hearts i think is it really deserves to be a standard good one and i also like what goes around from time takes time i think that really worked as uh as a song to end the album very strong song melodically

great

hooks in it a lot of build up in it i think that was an ideal choice to end time takes time so those are my ten but the ones that were absolutes were god 1985 and you and me babe all right okay so let's see um for me backseat in my car is uh you know an incredible album closer i'm i'm i'm almost amazed that it was just um a runner-up for both of you and i don't i don't know if it was in ken's five or in the ten but um it's an honorable mention it's uh um so more so than 1985 i automatically think of that yeah um the both of them are a

great

uh album anders i like um backseat in my car as a song better than 1985 although uh you know 1985 has a lot going for it uh but it it wasn't one of mine and and you it well it was sort of like it's on the list but it wasn't one of the top five picked um only because i wanted to you know get uh you know some george and ringo and uh but yeah in 1985 i mean there's also another element of it that that um didn't get mentioned so i might as well is that sort of uh coral section right in the middle of it it breaks and stops and does that and then back into the piano riff um it's it's it's an incredible structure and you can...
read much more detail about it if our book ever comes out um uh but so backseat in my car is like you know to me it's like a little uh pocket opera you know and there is so much going on is three songs joined together they all work together it it uh alludes to that sort of beach boy sound that paul likes so much and i do too uh a lot of us do and um you know uh outside brian wilson i think paul does the best beach boys music um but uh anyway yeah that's uh that was an incredible way to close the album and it has a sort of honorable mention another track from those sessions little lamb dragonfly also one of my favorites from that bunch of of songs recorded during the ram sessions was the closer on at least one version of the 2lp set of red rose speedway so um so i i figure i can get away with giving that an honorable mention on that basis um so then um sticking with mccartney and i'm not doing it in any you know the order of my top five they're just you know uh when winter comes on mccartney three um that's a

great

clothes yeah and uh and i wanted something you know having gone with backseat in my car i wanted something more recent as well and that you know it does a lot of the

things

that we've been talking about with some of these other tracks you know ken mentioned pepper and the reprise and and 1985 and banned on the run this does it in a in a sort of different way it starts with it has the guitar riff from the opening track of the album and then...
it's a completely different song um and an oh and i love the imagery of it that sort of barnyard imagery you know it's it's just sort of a nice laid-back country-ish song and i think for all the stuff going on mccartney 3 it just sort of wraps it up in a nice homey way and uh and i i just like the song a lot so um let's see um i went for john i went with god um i know you know all the reasons that my mommy's dad actually ends the album and reprises you know the mother thing and and all that but god you know for the reasons ken gave i i have to agree with that um and it's just an incredible song it's it's one of those songs that uh you know you get chills listening to now since john's death um even this far away um but the dream is over became you know at that time that that became sort of a major uh motif right you know the the news coverage and everything that was going on right after he was shot um but you know at the time it's uh you know he's really he's really largely talking about the beatles although he's talking about all kinds of

things

in that list of his um but mainly i don't believe in beatles was you know to a lot of us at the time kind of like well okay we know you feel that way but we do you know um but it was you know it was courageous to have uh have it out like that um and as another honor an honorable mention from john um oyoko from imagine um i thought of hard times or over um but i suspected um...
because of some of our emails going back and forth that darren might pick it and i turned out to be right there so i went with oyoko because it's you know it's a nice cheerful uh you know upbeat song it was where john was at the time i mean he knew that a lot of people really didn't want him singing love songs to yoko and he was going to do it anyway and and the and the album with it um however however capitol records wanted that to be a single and john refused yeah interesting i did not know that yeah because they saw the commercial potential in it you know and i certainly would think of it as a possible hit but john chose not to go that route i don't know you know only imagine was a single at least in the us okay um for ringo i went with a man like me from um bad boy really like the song um it has a uh i associate it really more with the ringo tv show with you know carrie fisher and i want to say ed norton but bart party all right carney um and uh john ritter that's right angie dixon dickinson so you know but it uh i associated with that show but it also is the closer of that album which was i guess his current album at the time that that show went on and it's a you know it's a nice laid-back gentle song and uh it it just it just closes that album nicely not one of his

great

est albums although i think it's better than people give it credit for um but but that's a good song um for george i've got two so one of them has to be an...
honorable mention i guess um okay let's go with save the world um from somewhere in england um it's particularly uh powerful song right now yeah you know i mean that's a that's a song that has uh you know past the test of time and uh you know it's also in that it's in that george almost cracker box palace style of semi-humorous but serious you know the music is almost humorous but the lyrics are serious and it's like he had that combination in an unusual way you know he could be both funny and serious at the same time save the world as one of those there is an alternate mix of it on a greenpeace album um greenpeace is mentioned in the song um so i went with that but my other george choice would have been well i had two other choices hear me lord which the two of you mentioned so um i probably don't have to but it you know it really sums up all

things

must pass really well uh in a way although it in a way gets overlooked i think a lot you know you think of my sweet lord you think of all

things

must pass you think of wawa hear me lord is just sort of stuck there at the end but it's actually a very profound song and my other one would have been got my mind set on you um yeah it's you know it's not an original um but nevertheless it was the hit from that album and it closes it closes it really well really upbeat with again that george harrison sense of humor so those are my uh actually i probably came up with 11. i actually was strongly...
considering got my mind set on you um i something about it it went for every artist that i've liked uh i just i don't know something about a hit single being the final song on an album yeah i was thinking about that with got my mind set on you and also with ebony and ivory which is a song that i love a lot but you think about all the

great

material that's on tug of war and i and i love ebony and ivory don't get me wrong i love the combination of paul and stevie wonder but i think it's a drop down a little bit you know although i love the message too of ebony ivory sometimes i have a problem with placing a hit at the very end of the album it should be like very early on maybe to open an album or the second cut but the last cut i don't know look at twist and shout out the beatles second album ending with she loves you um yeah chicago had uh um um uh old days at the end of chicago eight and uh um feeling stronger every day at the end of chicago six i mean i thought that those were very clever i mean i don't know they didn't i don't recall if they were singles before the albums came out hits but you know just something about uh singles at the end of albums hits at the end of albums i always kind of like that i don't know why well there's more favorite album

closers

with some changes if we did the show again in a year i'm sure you know a couple of

things

uh you know that were mentioned that i thought okay or maybe i shouldn't be...
so hung up on in the case of all

things

must pass i looked at the album too literally like no apple jam ends the album or yellow submarine in pepperland no one picked that one there but anyway so there you go there they are right so we should um go around give our contact information um do you want to start ken yeah you can reach me at my email address directly at every little thing at att.net i also just want to mention i do this once in a while here on the show on my website kenmichaelsradio.com there is a page devoted to my radio show called every little thing which just in case there's anyone that hasn't heard the show is a syndicated show that's heard on it's now 50 radio stations i have it up to and um on one page on my website you can find all the radio stations that run it and when they run it with links to their websites to stream it it's not a show that you can download it's not on demand they're all live broadcasts from each radio station but you will hear the widest variety of beetle music and solo beatle music on that show with interesting themes like album

closers

which i have no doubt you know i'll be doing on the show i probably have done it already i've done so many different themes but um yeah check out my website kenmichaelsradio.com i have a youtube channel now called ken michael's radio and i have some new shows that just reposted dylan seavey who has been a guest on the two legs paul mccartney solo paul mccartney...
podcast he's a drummer multi-instrumentalist who lives in nashville and he did a number nine dream show on ringo where he picked his top three ringo drumming songs in the beatles top three ringo drumming songs in his solo career and top three ringo all-star band lineups so uh that was a very interesting show and um yeah there's a lot of

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stuff that's on my youtube channel now so please check that out and subscribe to it my um my other podcast show talk more talk a solo beatles video cast the next show airs next monday which is september the 13th and we'll be reviewing stop and smell the roses because this year marks the 40th anniversary of that album from ringo we have a facebook page talk more talk of solo beatles video cast where it first appears and you have to like that page and watch the show which is monday night at 9 00 pm eastern and then after that it's on every platform imaginable and it's also on our youtube channel so please subscribe to that as well um and uh there you go i think that's everything all right okay darren yeah you can send me an email if you'd like at wufuv my email address there is darren devivo at wfuv.org d-a-r-r-e-n-d-e-v-i-v-o uh go to facebook uh where i'm always uh hanging around and i've got two pages darren de vivo send me a friend request or go to the other page and click follow uh the other one is darren devivo wfev dj and beatles podcaster i believe is the name of it either one of them and...
i'll invite you to the other page and um also if you'd like to uh i'd love if you'd listen if you want to hear me on wfuv 90.7 fm in the new york city area uh two other ways to listen if you're outside of the metropolitan new york metropolitan area you can stream wfuv wfuv.org or download our app and you can listen there i'm on the air monday through thursday nights 10 p.m till uh midnight saturday afternoons from one to four in the afternoon uh on wfuv so that's the mat that's my thing by the way darren yesterday anniversary yeah it's not it's not really an anniversary in a way it's just because i started an fuv and this was back in the day when wfuv was a college radio station was fordham university's college station uh but where it was a big college station that covered the entire tri-state area and in september as a freshman at fordham um 1983 i walked through the doors for the first time i remember being very timid and rather nervous and could very easily have chickened out and not gone through with it but uh went in started my training uh worked at wfuv as a student while i was an undergrad at fordham university in the 80s having no idea uh that my career path was going to be right there because as i finished up at school wfuv was transitioning into what it is

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uh which is a public station a non-com um with students on staff but not a college station so that's that's a story for another day but it was 38 years...
ago right around now that i strolled through the doors for the first time and saw the on-air studios and was very intimidated just to say you've been at the same radio station for that long a period of time is pretty amazing and and you can't find that in most radio stations in this country yeah so it's amazing okay much lighter and had much more hair then um you can contact me on facebook either at alan cosin or alancos and remixed you can write to all of us uh by email at

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