The Inside Story of Prince Andrew's Allegations | Andrew: The Problem Prince | Part 2 | Channel 4

In 2018, Prince Andrew was something of a forgotten

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in a sense. I guess what he was thinking was that a nice interview with someone brilliant like Emily Maess might bring him back into the public consciousness, but we can't do an interview with Prince Andrew without asking. on Epstein Britain's Prince Andrew is responding to sexual abuse

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against Jeffrey Epstein the teenager M who claimed it was sexual exploitation tweeted by a friend of Andrew a convicted pedophile are you going to resign Andrew you are a disgrace Jeffrey Epstein is found dead in his prison cell Prince Andrew admitted an error in judgment Prince Andrew and his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein are back on the front pages at the end of this it was a really serious matter of pedophilia, sexual abuse of a monstrous man and the ramifications for the

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who was his friend.

He knew that if they said yes to the interview, it would be the most extraordinary piece of television he had ever done. I was the journalist who investigated Jeffrey Epsy. I take great pride in the fact that my Vanity Fair

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completely exposed what was really unusual about him. was that he was brilliant at briefing people very, very quickly and figuring out what they needed. Americans are so obsessed with the British royal family that what Jeffrey Eping gave to Prince Andrew was the courtesy that maybe he didn't really have in In real life, all these people were criticizing him and Jeffrey EP was very smart in how he interpreted her relationship with Prince Andrew because she was saying to all these people, oh, here's my other house guest, Andy, I'm doing the interview with the knowledge and agreement of the family, so Prince Andrew has given her his blessing to do this interview.

He knows that I, yes, he knows that Prince Andrew knows that I'm doing this interview as does Sarah, but they haven't pressed me to find out what. I intend to say that there is absolutely nothing in this for me and I am probably taking one of the biggest risks of my professional career, to even be prepared to talk about it, it doesn't matter, to defend the

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ner in this situation that I met to Prince Andre. The first time I performed for Sarah was around 2016, 6 or seven years ago, during the course of the meetings she would have with her Prince Andrew she would have been present.

I always found him to be very good company and a very decent and simple person. I've always had a lot of time for him. It was a totally inappropriate association with Epstein. He would be very confident in terms of the way he approaches people. Very naive. Jeffrey Epstein had his own island in the US Virgin Islands. to call it little St Jeff and I often spent long periods of time there and brought a lot of young girls to the island in the year 2000. I was a model and got a really big job, it was actually with a British magazine filming in Torola which is in the British West Indies, and the other model, you know, after the second day of shooting, said, "You know, I have a friend who owns an island not too far from here and I think we can go." I went to their island for dinner and we were sitting with a group of other young women who I thought were the same age as me, you know, about 20 years old, maybe 18 teenagers and then I was introduced to Jeffrey, a really lovely man who He asked me so many questions and paid a lot of attention to me and seemed really intrigued by who I was and he said, "Oh, do you want to meet a prince?" He greeted me and the other women. and you know, I just said hello and then he quickly left.

Later, one of the women said to me: did you know it was Prince Andrew? and I felt like Jeffrey kept me very close to him years after that because he knew I'd seen him. Later that night we returned to our room, a young woman knocked on the door and told us it was time for our massage. That was kind of the beginning of understanding what Jeffrey was all about. These were massages with young women and sometimes. They were a little innocent, but often they weren't. Epstein had been running a sex trafficking scheme for over 20 years in the early 2000s, he is taking several girls through the house,

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icularly at the Palm Beach location, and people are talking well, so things.

It got complicated for him and then in 2006 he was arrested. The last time we saw Jeffrey Epstein in West Palm Beach was on September 6 of last year. He was getting off his private jet in Pbia to meet with lawyers fighting charges that he used his Palm mansion. Beach for sexual escapades with girls under 18 the fact that the court ordered Epstein not to have contact with underage girls may indicate that Epstein will be labeled a sex offender Andrew stayed so close to him that he was invited to one of the daughter's parties 18th birthday parties those daughters too, you know, at the time they were actually the kind of age that the girls who were being abused by Epstein were, which is hard to beat, it's funny why the invitation went ahead.

I think it was Andrew's arrogance that he thought. Oh, you know there's nothing in it, you know it'll all be forgotten, but it wasn't. Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10 a.m. He pleaded guilty in open court. He agreed to serve a total of 18 months in Palm Beach. Detention center 12 for soliciting prostitutes and an additional six for procuring people under 18 for prostitution December 21 the news of the world put me pH and said Anette, we have received a notice that Prince Andrew is in New York, we do not have idea of ​​what you are doing. There it is a private visit.

Can you find it? Andrew tends not to stay in hotels, so he's like, where do I look next? Then no. He thought Jeffrey Epstein was gone. I walked at 8:00 a.m. m. in the morning and as he walked towards the street he was there. Suddenly it was what I described as men in suits speaking into their cufflinks with a British accent. It's the Royal Protection Squad, so I called Jay Don, the photographer, and said, "I think we've got it." Then we sat there, we sat there, we sat there and we sat there during this time. There were young girls coming and going about every hour and a half, two hours, two came in, one came out, and apart from the girls coming and going, there was nothing, so we all agreed to come back the next day, so the next day it was just after 1:00 we were sitting right outside Epstein's house seconds or a minute later, wow, the front door opened.

Epstein and Andrew quickly left, followed by this group of bodyguards, so Jay jumped out and he just ran, of course, Jay. I got the photos, there were clear shots of Andrew and Epstein walking and talking in Central Park. It was like Wow, without that photo of Andrew we would never have been able to prove that he was there staying in the home of a convicted sex offender. They had been out for 20 minutes on a bitterly cold Sunday afternoon, why what was that? Everything about it seems pretty obvious to me. It certainly suited Epstein to have that photograph with him in Central Park at that time.

Remember that Epstein was arguing and fighting to say that he was not a pedophile. so it was obviously a big asset in terms of his credibility to be seen associated with Prince Andrew when the photo of Andrew and Epstein came out. Virginia was furious, great now that she's still consulting with Prince Andrew, so she agreed to talk to M. on Sunday, so in a sense, the girl who has Prince Andrew's arm around her waist is a teenage masseuse who claimed to have had sexual relations with Epstein on numerous occasions. Well, Prince Andrew may be only fifth in line for the throne, but he's first in The headlines in today's newspapers are almost as if that photograph is the most damning piece of evidence alone says more than it lets on. thousands and thousands of words could say Virginia was taken by Jeffrey Epstein and Gilan Maxwell to London, she was actually on his private plane in London um gilan Maxwell informed her that she was going to have to do what she did for Jeffrey for a prince, so They went out that night and ended up going to a club and dancing a little and then went back to Gillan Maxwell's house.

Home and House is when you see the infamous photo that was taken and Virginia will tell you that right after she took that photo she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew. I mean, this was nothing voluntary here, this is a real photo and that was right before he abused me and the second accusation is in New York and Virginia was required to get back together with Prince Andrew. The third allegation is when Virginia was in the US Virgin Islands, where she was again told that she had to have sex. with Prince Andrew while she was on the island, if the prince feels the tension he doesn't show it for the second time this week, he appeared in public facing questions and ignoring them, the way royals normally behave is that they normally They do not respond to all the accusations there are.

They were told, but the tradition of never explaining, never complaining, only continues for a while when there is a scandal in the palace, it usually falls silent, not this time, although not one, but four statements were issued without precedents, one even went so far as to specifically name his accuser Buckingham. The Palace said in a statement that any suggestion of misconduct with minors is categorically false, but Prince Andrew and his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein are back on the front pages. Never in all my years have I witnessed the ferocity and severity of the attack on a person's reputation. a prince under pressure an entourage eager to protect him from the inevitable questions recovering from this gentleman after a stormy few weeks the tranquility of the golf course is where Prince Andrew will spend the next few days I live in Northern Ireland and Prince Andrew invited me I approached Port Rush and as I pulled into the parking lot I noticed several photographers gathered around the perimeter fence and, hey, I'm a media lawyer, so I immediately pricked up my ears.

I act for the victims. I act for people who are accused of inappropriate behavior I act for newspapers I act for journalists and I thought this might be something that could help. I said look, I'll go for a walk with you because I knew these cameras were out there, we walked out and Sure enough, I could hear the clicking in the background, I could see them, they were pretty far away, pretty far away now. I felt like it was an opportunity again without him having to say anything to keep up with the uh Royal. Don't complain, never explain protocol approach, basically, to send a message that he wasn't just lying down and accepting.

I knew it wouldn't take long for reporters to find out what my background was and why I might have been seen next to this man may be noteworthy. Paul Tweed is one of the most responsible lawyers in the country. The next day there were absolutely newspaper headlines. correct everywhere important coverage perception is everything and I certainly thought it would give the impression that it was coming After fighting a month later, it was brought up that I was considering doing an interview with Emily Matas on news night and I told her, Look, that wouldn't be a good idea, sir, because at this stage, don't forget that there was still the possibility of Going to court to fight over the name of the clearing, we asked to return to the Palace to go and meet Prince Andrew.

It felt very strange. It's generally the case when you're doing these types of NE negotiations that you deal with the second in command because in a sense that Amanda was me, she was the person behind the scenes. I found her extremely circumspect and conservative. She was very easy to deal with. We were going to be there, see him face to face, meet with him, discuss these issues with him, which were delicate and difficult. We were going to do it at her house effectively on her terms negotiating something that was beyond belief I knew it was all or nothing at this point we were back under the eaves of the palace right at the top Amanda's there we are all sitting there waiting for her to arrive and He turns the corner and says, "Hello, nice to see you." I hope you do not mind.

I brought someone with me and in my head I'm thinking a lawyer because that would have been pretty cool. Frankly, the game is up and instead, around the corner comes her daughter, Princess Beatrice, who was truly a curveball's curveball. Can you imagine being at Bucking and Palace about to speak to a member of the royal family about sexual offences? That's pretty complicated and now I. what I have to do in front of her daughter is the first time the thought has crossed my mind that maybe I was doing it for her your life has been hell you had to read these headlines you're trying to get married I'm going to do this for make it better for you I don't know, I don't know if that's true, but it crossed my mind.

I take risks when I trade, so I call you sir. I know two things about you, Mars Andy and Randy. Andy and the latter do not speak well of your current situation, so if you want the public to change their opinion of you, you will havewhat to talk She found it funny. It wasn't difficult for him. He knew he was taking a risk. but it was all or nothing at that moment, through the process of conversation he revealed quite a bit to us. Virginia JRA had made this claim that she had sweated properly and said, should I tell you why I can't sweat?

She said yes and said do you know anything about adrenaline? and I told him honestly, my face lit up. I told him that I am fascinated by adrenaline. You know, I'm an election night junkie and a long-distance runner. He said well, the adrenaline thing. Do you know that after working on Faulkland I lost the ability to sweat and actually what she says isn't entirely true and I remember thinking, wow, you know, if he says that, that's a little more detailed than I think. I had searched, but you? I know that if he says those things on camera, it's like winning the jackpot because it's never been given those explanations on camera before, so we all sat there wondering where we go from now on and then he said this curious phrase: "I have than, you know, seeking approval from superiors," of course, he's talking about the queen.

You ask your mother if it's a good idea, this is a decision that goes straight to the top. We negotiated on Monday afternoon and we found out on Tuesday morning. Yes, the queen had given us her seal of approval. I couldn't.' Don't think so, I mean, in what world would you go on camera to do an interview with Emily Matus to talk about that? Remember that Prince Andrew was someone who was living an extraordinary golden existence. Imagine you spent 59 years with people fuming at you and telling you they're amazing, they never contradict you, no one has ever said the word no, there are so many things that can go wrong between the yes and the actual recording that you don't take anything for granted. until the cameras are rolling and then it's real.

I was preparing for the toughest, the fiercest, the most combative, the least kind, it was not because I thought that's how he would be, but because I have to prepare for the most difficult interview we had ever done before, he was a member of high rank of the royal family. he had that kind of mantle of a very secure institution around him, how were we going to get in there and how are you going to ask questions of this nature to someone who has never faced those questions before we have 48 hours to put everything together? She called me, you know, she would have been very loyal, uh, obviously, and very protective of Prince Andrew, she was like the guardian in a lot of ways, I think he was quite dependent on her, just saying, just to let you know that the Joker decided to do the news night interview.

I said, "No way, no, no, that's a bad idea, I shouldn't do it and Amanda just said, look, uh, Paul has to go. I'll call you later and they hung up the phone." abruptly and that was it, so obviously that the Juke, for better or worse, had decided that he was going to do it. The Juke made that decision on its own, against most of the advice I had in the back of my mind, I assume someone is going to stop this in the future. Palace, you know or someone I don't know would stop him, but you know, um, I just thought, well, what are you doing?

I arrived in front of Buck and Palace. I haven't slept, I haven't eaten, I'm a lump. Out of nerves I arrived at the palace with my huge bag I ended up wearing this kind of military style jacket I remember thinking that he would like a military coat, he is a man from the Armed Forces He will appreciate it and then I start to feel really, I was very sick, so I immersed myself in the circuit. I just wanted the door to close. I wanted to have two seconds to go. Where I am? What's going on? Where is my Mind?

I had to deal with the fact that I was about to do it. Ask this man, this Royal, this Prince, about his sex life. I was thinking how not to mess this up. Prince Andrew was there before me, which really threw me off. He seemed to be in an extremely carefree mood. He went and chatted, I think one. from the cameramen about the sound and he was giving various advice the atmosphere was electric with anticipation with fear I was terrified of everything I was terrified that he didn't want to talk about any of the things we discussed, it just felt like We were all breathing collectively, whoever was there in that room, something was at stake and we all had expectations and then we waited to see what happens when the dominoes fall.

His Royal Highness, we have come to the Buium Palace under very unusual circumstances. normally we would be discussing your job, your duty, we will get to that, but today you have chosen to speak for the first time. I had to set the stage because a lot of people in the country didn't know about Jeffrey Epstein and a lot of people wouldn't have understood the relationship between the Two Men and it was a test, are you keeping your word? Are you going to talk to me about the things you know we're both here to discuss why you've decided to do it? talk now because it's not a good time to talk about Mr.

Epstein, the fact that you mentioned Epstein in the first line was what made me realize it was going to happen. I stand behind Prince Andrew's chair so I can physically see him. but I can't see his face, so I focused on keeping my eyes on the ground and just listening to how good or bad this interview was going to be. You threw a birthday party for the episode's girlfriend, Galen Maxwell, at Sandringham. No, it was a weekend of shooting, a weekend of shooting, just a simple, straightforward weekend of shooting, there's a lot of foot tapping, a lot of movement in the chair, he moves a lot, he was released in July, You went to stay with him in his New York mansion, he said. a party to celebrate his release, you were invited to that dinner as a guest of honor, well I was there, so there was a dinner, I guess that was how you could say it, but yeah, okay, I was there because I was there.

However, every time he is given the opportunity to disassociate himself from Epstein to say well, we weren't really friends. I wish I hadn't been friends with him. I wish I had never met him. You are waiting for those phrases. You never listen to them. but you were staying at the home of a convicted sex offender, it was a convenient place to stay, so I'm already thinking this interview may not have been his best decision. I kept watching him thinking, oh, he's going to take back some of this. To clarify some of this, one of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made accusations against you.

She says she had dinner with you, danced with you in a nightclub in London and then had sex with you at a house in Belgravia belonging to Gin Maxwell, her friend. your response I don't remember meeting this lady at all every response sets off alarm bells for me you don't remember meeting her no for the record is there any way you could have had sexual relations with that young woman or any trafficked young woman? by Jeffrey Epstein at any of her residences, no, without exaggeration, if you are a man, it is a positive act, so if Virginia Roberts is watching this interview, what is your message to her?

I don't have a message for her. she's like this initial wave of bad answers, your notes are there and then you hear the answers and you're like, I can't believe he said that. I wonder if you now have any feelings of guilt, regret or shame about anything. From his behavior and his friendship with Epstein, do I regret the fact that he has obviously behaved in an unseemly manner? Yeah, he wasn't coming, he was a sex offender. Yes. Sorry, I'm being polite in the sense that he was. a sex offender could hear a pin drop before he could avoid it.

He had blurted out Unseemly, he wasn't Unseemly, he was a sex offender immediately I said I thought he had gone too far because he couldn't help it. it was kind of visceral why are you using such a weird GLE word like Unseemly in all honesty I thought how is this going to air surely someone is going to call someone surely something will happen this can't be real because this is just a car accident Is there anything you think hasn't been said that you would like to say now? No, I don't think so, His Royal Highness, thank you, thank you very much, in fact, that's how I know that Prince Andrew is happy with the interview.

Because he stayed chatting, he looked very happy. It should have been that we journalists were euphoric and he was depressed and dejected and as if the worst thing in the world had happened to him, but it was the opposite. He looked euphoric because he thought what had happened to him. Everything went very well. A bunch of people came in and I told them what was going on and they said, oh, on Thursday nights we have movie night at the palace, you can stay if you want and at that moment I thought I had to get away from here I needed the space to understand what What had just happened we crowded into a taxi and we were all looking at each other not knowing if I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and I just remember the intensity of that moment we couldn't believe it we were still pinching ourselves and we returned to the sight of the news piled up in the office.

Esme was waiting for us and we closed the door and we had an interview like we had never had before. It has been seen before a plane crashed into an oil tanker causing a somewhat bad tsunami. It is now widely described as Prince Andrew's disastrous BBC interview. The headline was scathing. Prince Andrew's interview has revived old arguments that the Royals remain worryingly out of touch even as they get to Britain's general election, before we talk about Prince Andrew, I think we should talk about the victims who are there for what Edstein was doing , it was journalism at its finest, it was the accountability of someone who had not been held accountable, he was held accountable on television for the whole world. to see, do you have a communication?

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, I don't know, I mean, he's trying to clean up the cleanliness, he's trying to put the F out and put gas in it, yeah, really. He did what Bill Clinton once discovered. The more times you say I didn't have sex with that woman, the more it sounds like you had sex with that woman that couldn't have happened because of the suggested date she had taken. Beatric at a Pizza Express working for a party in I guess at 4:5 in the afternoon, it's funny, isn't it? You don't remember meeting a woman who took a photo with her, but he can remember a pizza he ate. 18 years ago the reaction was absolutely devastating one of the most absurd interviews I have ever seen in my life what he has done is horrendous today is a great day to abolish the monarchy The case of Prince Andrew is an excellent example of how the case is fight in public in the court of public opinion, unlike the court of law, I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat, they asked me not to make any Prince Andrew jokes tonight and I said, sure, I don't sweat, yeah , I don't sweat.

At that point it's almost like I'm pressing a self-destruct button why didn't the interview stop. I would like to answer that question. I don't know. I can't answer that widely condemned as deaf. No remorse and extremely sick. I warned him that it's hard to see where he goes from here. I think you know that we may be seeing him being marginalized from the royal family because he has shown such sharp judgment as a lawyer litigating against Prince Andrew. That interview moved me. I couldn't You couldn't have given me a better gift, because he said so many demonstrably false things, so it was just a roadmap to destroy him.

Today is the Queen's 72nd wedding anniversary, but when she returned to the Palace, it actually wasn't like that. one night of celebrations, it was only on Saturday that the queen had reportedly read the full transcript, her security team patted her on the shoulder and told her: "I think, sir, you may have to come with we". It was after the Queen saw the content of the interview that I think she realized before he realized that we were building a case against him, but it wasn't until the interview was over that our client Virginia decided that she was going to go after him, we contacted the Palace to try to interview him and try to uncover facts which we got nowhere, we ended up sending Prince Andrew's lawyers a letter offering to speak to them, he ignored it which was probably one of his biggest mistakes. in addition to the interview and then we sue him once we present our demands, we have to serve them with a summons, serve them with the process, well, the palace would not accept service of process, we would send a process server to their Palace and they would say. he's not here so we would wait there and then he would get out of there SLO in the car and try to slip away, so what you had was this game of cat and mouse and they would go from palace to palace following him. with these subpoenas and we both had to know how tonight was going to end Prince Andrew handed over legal documents in the United States confirming that even a member of the British royal family is not above the law, we still have no comment from the prince's legal team Andrew, but you essentially have 21 days to respond to these documents that are being handed over, let's get the latest on that civil case against Prince Andrew in the US.

A federal judge ruled overnight that the prince's lawyers can move forwardAndrew failed to persuade a judge in the United States to dismiss a civil lawsuit against him accusing him of sexually abusing a teenager two decades ago. It wasn't until we won our motion to dismiss that the queen and the next day stripped him of his his titles and the queen regained all military affiliation she had granted to her son with immediate effect, he will no longer be referred to as His Royal Highness in any official capacity, his entire life was taken from him and the point with Andrew is whether he had any kind of clue Beyond playing golf and watching videos, you might have something to fall back on, but you don't.

He's a pretty simple man with a pretty simple life and once he takes away the real part of that, there's not much left. Prince Andrew and Virginia Jefra, the women who accused him of sexual assault, reached an out-of-court agreement not to be tried in New York, as he settled out of court. Legal observers say that Andrew really had no choice but to settle, it was reported that he would have wanted his day in court, it would have been a very foolish move because it would have exposed him to all kinds of interrogations, so it was a smart decision not to appear in court.

Buckingham Palace has not offered any comment, but one thing is certain: this out-of-court settlement will be a huge relief for the royal family. The prospect of a court case over the Queen's Platinum Jubilee was not something they relished, to put it mildly, she was not guilty of a crime. It is perfectly clear that he was not guilty of any crime but he has been tried in the court of public opinion. That counts for a lot because the monarchy and the royal family are there as long as the court of public opinion wants them. They have achieved it.

It is very clear that they do not want to. may Andrew, the last Christmas scene, return to the family fold. He is the prince without a portfolio and it has been a year since the queen stripped Prince Andrew of his royal roles. What is his coping mechanism? Don't know. It's a tremendously difficult, horrendous position, the actual fact, the impact it had, the queen was quite firm after the tough interview on the news night, uh, Andrew definitely had to resign, but I can still say that he is still my son and that I love him. This is the BBC. news from London Buckingham Palace has announced the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II we have to pause for a moment here we have some breaking news the queen died peacefully the royal family says with moral balm this afternoon Prince William driving the lead vehicle Through the gates of Bal Moral with her uncle, Prince Andrew, in the front passenger seat, the Queen's death meant a lot to Andrew's position in the Royal Family because throughout the time she was alive, he probably felt he could induce her to catch him. returned to some kind of role within the royal family and with his disappearance saw that the private pain of a family that played two roles: bereaved descendants and public servants had completely disappeared, Prince Andrew was allowed to return to the fold during this period in mourning, but here he was not allowed to wear his uniform as thousands gathered to honor the Queen the Heckler heard around the world the man was heard shouting you are a sick old man who was shouting at Prince Andrew you know he was mourning for his mother this was not the time to yell, but you clearly know that people were uncomfortable with him there.

I think he must be there for family occasions, which was a very important event. You couldn't take a child away from that, but I do think in terms of seeing it, for example, in the middle of the Senate or on the balcony. I think those days are gone. I have never ceased to be amazed when you think it's all over. It's a desperate situation. Something happened and you can change it because the facts come to light or there are external events that can sometimes have influence I would never say never in any kiss people have not understood very well how manipulative unfortunately Jeffre EP was really a scammer to end all scammers there were a lot of men involved who just disappeared into the shadows and in that sense I think it's probably unfair that only Prince Andrew is the one who has had his life ruined, he should never have done the things he did to Virginia and his attitude is atrocious the fact that I would go on TV and try to explain it.

Virginia has really moved on with her life and I think she just wants to live a happy and successful life with her children. Don't go into things thinking "let's ruin this guy." "Make his life hell and you certainly don't." I don't expect to go into things and come out of them, you know, with something that will profoundly change your career. I went into the interview saying that every time the BBC and the Royals meet, they always sack someone. I didn't think it would be him. I think about his life I think about the lives of women I think about the life of his daughter I wanted to go out and try to get answers to the question the women were asking.

It's a kind of reminder that journalism in its deepest form carries an enormous weight of responsibility. You can change people's lives, for better or worse. Is there anything you think hasn't been said that you would like to say now? No I dont think so. I think you've probably drawn out most of what's needed.