Piers Morgan Defends Rule Britannia! in Heated Debate | Good Morning Britain

Is this another example of Wokism or is it really offensive to some communities joining us now from Oxford? It is student and activist Femi Nylander who says that governing Britain is part of our imperial history. Celebrate that slavery should not be used. From north London, he joins us. Eve Pollard, who thinks this is ridiculous, is like banning fireworks on November 5th. Well, she has divided the country. What is offensive to you about rural Brittany? So we must contextualize this within the fact that the media has chosen to focus on rural areas.

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and not on some of the wider problems that empire and slavery have led to in UK society, I am referring to the lady begumer from Uganda who died recently with a child at her side and the rest right, these They are the real material results of today. of this history of slavery and colonialism that

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s Britain as a song that celebrates, I mean, it's not just that the lion will be seen, it doesn't suit me, no, it doesn't celebrate, says Britain, says Britain will never be. slaves at the same time Britain leads the inter um the threat of slaves you said it two minutes ago you were talking about a conversation with your daughter um where you said it's about winning and this is the British attitude at that time Everyone's fear and envy they.

What's wrong with winning the majority in turn when winning means being the fear of other people and colonizing them and enslaving them and dragging them across the Atlantic on slave ships, um, where they're thrown into the river if they don't? It doesn't fit as you know, as you know, I'm sure you studied the history of the song, that wasn't the reason the song was written, you know that, well actually, I didn't study the history of the song if you asked me , divorce, beheading. died divorced beheaded survived then he could respond very well because everyone in the UK learns about Henry VIII and his wives at school.

I didn't learn anything about British slaves. My point would be this for me. I think we have done many. programs particularly since the horrific murder of george floyd on very serious racial issues and there is still clear racial inequality in this country, in many other countries, and there has to be addressed, it is systemic and my problem with this type of furor has to be addressed. it's a terrible distraction from the real issues and all it does is annoy everyone who might otherwise send me their points otherwise I might use force the distraction of the distraction is that we can't even get past these basic things, the destruction is that the media, the daily mail, the right-wing media can take something that is framed as a cultural war and say, let's remember that the initial decision was to eliminate it and the furor was from the right saying how dare they eliminate these black lives.

The thing is because there is no future, right, I'm not right-wing, let me interject regarding you, let me say something, I'm not even remotely right-wing, but I found it objectionable. I love the last night of proms that is presented to everyone. the great parts of

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to patriotism join in singing joyfully and i think it's a wrong battle to choose that the majority of people in this country don't find it offensive, they enjoy it and when you try to do that, if you do, hill to die then the cause is not getting any help, you turned it off for the season the bbc made an internal decision that was made very quietly and that wasn't that big because they thought that a song that celebrates slavery and imperialism could be better replaced by something else. ex-slavery media you keep saying that the lyrics of yes and the story of the song does not celebrate slavery, that it is a completely slave journey, that it is a completely misleading statement to celebrate favorites, listen to what he said, let's say that Femi never will. um being raped or robbed then it's a huge amount of cognitive dissonance if you say that you will be the fear and fear of other people while you run a slave trade, but you will never be a slave, so if you said that the British will never be colonized while you you are colonizing at that moment, that is a cognitive dissonance, right, and this level of cognitive distance is not only on the inside, but as you say, the media likes this cultural thing because it is very easy for people to move the idea of patriotism the media that created the cultural awards the bbc is bringing in eve pollard look eve my problem is not that feminism makes perfectly

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points about the history of the british empire but this song was written even before the main thrust of the empire British. happened, this was written at a time when the Spanish and the Dutch dominated the waves and it was designed to say that we will not be dominated by the Spanish and the Dutch and that there is nothing to be done.

Actually, I don't believe it because of my studies of the history of the song with what Femi says, he makes it something like a celebration of slavery and if you read if you listen to the lyrics and I sympathize with the family, I know that there is still racism that must be resolved, but it is not the right. wing of the media it is the bbc who I believe has not scored an own goal an organization cannot ban something that is part of the warp and woof of this country every year my physical education I am the first in my family to being British my parents were immigrants they I met here uh my parents loved the last night of the proms and if you listen to the words he says Britain will never be, will always be free, I think there are many countries now, look Belarus, look at the countries of Africa and the Middle.

Um, who would love to be free and not

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d by tyrants and I think it's an own goal for the BBC because it's patriotic, it's not really meant to offend anyone and if people think in the future the words should be changed , there should be a National Discussion about it Do you think we know that Tim Davey has taken over the role of BBC director general that you started this week? Do you think I should reverse the decision or do you think that will cause as many problems as the initial decision? He has a lot of problems, so why not add one more?

If I were him, I'd get last year's recording, you know, last year's recording. I would put her in huge blasters and take her out of proms and remember that proms weren't just held in the lovely Royal Albert Hall, when we used to look, we used to see people of any ability in Scotland all over the country lining up singing their songs without feeling antagonistic, okay, if you would feel that Tim Davey reversed the decision, if in fact that would be Complicating the problem even more when I say that this decision was made, so this ban language is completely, not without consequences, at the end of the day it was not banned, the BBC is not banning the use of this song, the BBC is making an internal decision to say that in our program we are not going to use it because we think it might communicate something that we don't want to communicate about our points of view on the history of slavery, you must have a position, you must be able to say if I prohibit something I am a dominant thing who says this is prohibited and no one else can do it the bbc is making an internal decision the media is responding to that and then the BBC has to reverse its decision because many of the same people who were defending the Churchill statue and attacking the police officers and all this, when this went well, the conversations that we need to have, the conversations that the media should have are about the immigration crisis, the conversations we all have.

These things, my point, I'm on your side on all of that and by the way, I would be completely on your side if you looked at the British empire and found a lot of holes in what happened, then I would agree with you on that. It is not the

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that needs to be had. What I mean is that when the BBC does something like this because they are worried about offending people then it becomes a big story which is a big distraction and you are absolutely right, the right wing media will take advantage of it. and make it what it is because it suits your agenda, but from my point of view as a liberal, I would say to other liberals, come on, there are better hills to die on than this, all you're going to do is make middle England angry.

You're not going to bring anyone with you, you're going to say what you're going to ruin until the print media made it a big deal. I mean, a big problem happened at the BBC. How many people? How many people? I think I would have seen the BBC's problems. How many people in the UK? So firstly, people who watch BBC Trouble in the UK are a very thin society. Many people don't see it. The people who do see it. How many people do you think? if there were no means for it, it would have come to the end and it would be like wait a minute, let me ask you a difficult question, let me ask you, you made a decision and they have to stand by that decision, let me ask you a question, let me talk.

Just this year we've had John Legend campaigning to rewrite the lyrics to Baby It's Cold Outside because it's problematic in the Metoo era and now we've had this huge furor over the government of Britannia and the land of hope and glory. Here's the

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that never seems to have been made, what's up with all that rap music that spews disgusting stimuli and temptations to violence, misogyny, sexism, the appalling language used in much of rap music, why do we never have Why is that debate always about baby, it's cold outside or governing? 10 debate is often heard debate often occurs music how rap music appears um to inform you like all types of music, I mean, rap music has elements of misogyny all music has elements of misogyny, there is also rap music that has been part of a long historical struggle for black people to have a um the reason rock music emerged is because black people did not have access to violence they had access to very simple rhythms um that reminded them of their countries of origin that they could then use to make poetry o Rap music is poetry and a lot of rap music is not misogynistic.

I would invite you to listen to Dear Mama by Two Pack, which talks about I'm not going to talk in general terms about that, but I'm going to talk about a lot of rap music. you know a lot of rap music is and yeah some rap music is and some rock music is so I mean look at Gigi Allen who was so horrible like there couldn't be any but I agree with So, I agree with you on all of this. On this side, the agreement was enormously misogynistic. What I mean is that the two big song ragers this year have been raw Britannia and the baby is cold outside to me as a liberal who is barking mad at the idea that liberals want to make that the hill to struggle.

Well, do you remember the um, the, the scandal that happened with a type of truck music and the banning of, um, what's it called, there's a very specific type of Afro-Caribbean grime music that was banned and there was a um, um , he created a channel four outlet in which they took mp quotes and attached them to Spanish music, yes, so he drew music precisely to show why mp quotes were in many ways more misogynistic than the exercise museum that was criticized by the government and violence. to say black mute is not discussed and criminalized is simply not the case my point is i really think the balance is out of the children femi you made some very

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points its great to have you on the show come back soon last word for eve because you know that a lot of people just feel sad that somehow the last night of the proms is tainted in this way, it suddenly becomes something to be ashamed of, I think that's true and I think the BBC um, actually , I think it's really quite sad because this is actually a very popular program last night at the proms and contrary to what Femi said and also the polls, all the polls say that 55 of this country or the people surveyed said that They were really sad and only five percent said they should.

It won't show, I think what we have to do is come together, this is one of those incredible problems we have with the rise and fall, come together, discuss it for a year, but you can't have an organization that says this is going away. out the window, it's part of the warp and weft of I would make yours I would actually have a I would consider having a hologram of Dame Vera Lin at this year's event as a tribute to her they can make the hologram have a hologram of her singing Royal Britannia a land of phobia that sang many times, I even think in the bronze and that the whole country sang and was not really ashamed of it.