Piers and Alex Clash Over Prince Harry and Meghan’s Accusations of Racism | Good Morning Britain

It's important to find a different way to explain, not to yourself but to so many people, why what's being said is so wrong, right? I walked into this, I walked into institutions as the only person of color, yes, and the experience covers and over

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on so many occasions and the reason Megan's interview really resonates with me is because a former coworker who doesn't belong This program asked me if I was worried about how coconut my son was going to turn out okay, so I completely understood. Understand the pain behind all that. When you are mixed race, let me know what you find in my personal experience and there may be other people who come forward and say that when you are a lighter shade of black, people win. confidence and feeling like they can tell you things that they wouldn't say to a black person, that's a very interesting point and that's my experience of all of this and by the way, I completely respect that right and that's why I wanted to include you in the today.

It was my suggestion that you wanted to talk about this, but please, thank you very much for inviting me on the show. I really appreciate it, but I just want you to be aware as well. the power of your words and I'm not saying you're racist, but what are you saying? Why do you know? What I honestly feel is that because of your previous relationship with Meghan Markle, you started. a relationship, you met her, you met her and you met her briefly, so we joked about it on the show, all she did was I'm allowed to talk, okay, talk, all she did was inform me that she's a little short . and it ran through her life and her whole family, her father, her ex-husband, her ex-friend, right, they've all been cut out of her life, right, and it's an interesting observation that I'm one of those interesting observations, let me.

I feel like I can end the situation you are struggling with. Can we talk about the program? It doesn't really matter what I think of Meghan Markle. It doesn't matter if she believes him or not. What matters is the damage she is accused of. to ask the royal family, let me ask you honestly about the issue of race. Now she has the entire United States and the worst of the world frankly looking at the palace, the monarchy, the queen, all the members of the royal family as a bunch of racists and It all comes down to two things she said in the interview, one is something he didn't hear, but Harry informed him to his right that a senior member of the royal family who wasn't the Queen or Prince Philip, so presumably Charles or William, we'd hazard a guess, made a comment to him to Harry about what skin color their baby might have if the relationship progresses, about what that was like.

That is my question for you. She said there was concern. Harry didn't say that and my question. for you it's this and it's a direct question, I think a lot of people ask themselves because you've been in this position, yeah right, and you've been equally offended on the receiving end of that, is there a qualitative relationship? difference between someone maybe innocently telling you out of interest if you have one parent is white one parent is black now what color could your baby be let me finish what color could your baby be is there any difference between that question asked in that innocent maybe? and someone does it in a tone that says well how dark your baby is going to be in a derogatory and maybe racist tone exactly and there is a difference, but what we get from the interview is that it was said in a negative way.

He said that but he didn't, listen, stop separating Harry and Megan, they are clearly a team, yes, a very strong team and I think she backs it up and he backs her up, so like I said, tone and language It's all there is a keyword the keyword was are you worried? true yes of course it's fine but that to me is a big difference that to me is racist but that's what it is do you think it's racist? is a legitimate question that many people have asked. Is it racist? Do you think that if the argument was William or Charles, it's not about this person that we don't know and part of the problem?

I know you agree with me on this, it would be easier if they just said who was right. I'll get to that, but does it make any difference if it was said perhaps in all innocence and they just said what color the baby might be without any suggestion that it would be a worry or concern if they had darker skin that in itself? The question would simply be racist and that in itself is fine, but you have to think about how the recipient feels because what we are speculating is how that message was communicated, I don't know how it was communicated correctly. what they do is if it wasn't like that, if it was done as a concern or they also have to take into consideration how you felt, the other thing we always have to think about and I've said this publicly on Twitter Piers, I agree with you now in that I feel like they should have named the person because all it takes is for us all to ask a bunch of questions and I personally am looking at the royal family to see who could who is the racist who is the racist, but but, of course again, we have to do it too. just take a step back, do you know how much courage it takes to talk about

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and call it out because I have been in situations where I have not called out every detail of the racism that has happened to me based on how I have been treated or how it was handled in the past because you're worried about a backlash and you're also worried about a backlash and there will be people who will treat Harry and Megan differently because they've spoken out, okay, but this The important thing is that we have to feel comfortable talking about the uncomfortable and That's why it's important for me and you to have this conversation, let's not make it personal, okay, it's not professional, you did it right, let's move on, you know what? we talk, we talk personally about um, you meet people on this show and we give our opinions about them, right?

Actually, sometimes it comes back to you, we have to be, you know it's okay, that's how it was done, we can I don't agree with that, let's move on, well, I don't think people care too much about you and you anymore. me, it's like she's talking about me and you and I'm not here because well, that doesn't mean me and you, so let's move on to the second part of her accusation of racism Meghan Markle said the palace made a decision to prevent Archie from being a

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based on his possible skin color, which is completely false, that is simply not true now, the damaging effect of that plus.

Whatever they said to Harry and we don't know what it was or the context and we don't know who said it, but it was those two things that detonated a racially charged bomb in the palace, which is almost impossible for them to refute. because they don't talk publicly about this kind of stuff and people probably won't believe them even if they do now, but that's what worries me is that we don't make the first part of that accusation. I don't know any of the details or who said it or how they said it and the second one is completely false.

Megan was just wrong. Archie has not been prevented from being a

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because of his skin color and Americans now believe that. national television there and that's damaging, but again, do you know what his lived experience is? And no, it's not true. Well, that sounds like her lived experience and again this is where the confusion comes in because you know how covert racism is sometimes identified. It's actually quite difficult because it's not about that, but Alex that's not true, there are correct facts and what Alex is saying is that there is an experience and a perception of those facts that you only appreciate when you are in that situation.

Sorry about that section, I agree, if it turns out, let me make it very clear where I stand on this if it turns out that a high-ranking member of the royal family, a future king, perhaps of this country, we don't know who he is. . I don't want to cast aspersions because they won't say it, but they've eliminated the queen and the prince of Philadelphia, so they're halfway gone, which I think is incredibly unfair to those left, but they say he's a future king. . That said this in a derogatory way, we can't have a racist king, we can't, that to me would be racism, but the second part of the accusation that Harri, Archie has been banned from being a prince because of his skin color, is simply It's not true, it has nothing to do with racism, the actual fact that it's based on, that statement is not true, except that your perception seems to be that it could have been like that, it's like me saying that heaven is blue out of my perception, it's raining, you can.

I am not playing with the facts, she got the facts wrong, it has been proven today in all the newspapers that the fact is simply false, there has been no discrimination against Archie in terms of being called a prince because of the color of his skin, because in this moment has no right to be called a prince just because of the established palace rules, except that a hundred years ago she is explaining her experience exactly, she is explaining her experience and you know, we haven't walked in her shoes, so I don't care. it matters. what is my experience for your perception, you don't know about a faction or not and but and that is also manifesting, but

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on that you have no right, okay, but I don't care about his feelings, but what worries me.

What worries me the most is the comment about the color of the baby's skin. Okay, you know, we're all passionate about different things. Yeah, okay, you know, we haven't even talked about mental health. We're getting there, but you know, it's really important that we have these conversations because what I've noticed on Twitter, especially in the last few days, is that this, you know this, this, this, this. uh interview and what's going on with the royal family the ripple effect is huge to the point where it's you and me and I want to talk about it and I feel like you know yeah of course if we find out who.

It's just that I'm sure you know that you're going to be right behind me and I'm going to be right behind you, yeah, you know, talking about how wrong it is and how you know it, there's no doubt, there's no doubt at all, but what I find is that the people are you. I know I don't always want to accept that there's a possibility that something like this could have happened and this is the thing about racism, right? Racism isn't always caught on camera racism isn't always a black man leading the court with a white police officer's knee on his neck it comes in different forms it's the same energy we have in the summer right now yeah, but okay but let me put a little bit of a brake on this right one of the two charges of racism maybe the most It's incendiary that he was actually being discriminated against because the queen decides all the titles so what he was basically saying is that the queen is racist and let Archie be prince because of his skin color.

We know that's completely false, so I don't know. I don't know that the queen is racist. No, I would like to think that the queen is not racist. I don't think she is. My point, okay? But he obviously has a difficult relationship, but Alex, not this. An ordinary family appears because you know, as we heard from Alexander, do you accept that? Do you accept that point? Megan was just wrong. Like, I said I'm not an expert on actual protocols. I'm not an expert. All the experts have said unanimously. Everyone has said it, but again they said something different seems like I don't.

I'm happy to hear from both sides, but they kind of feel like, oh, they haven't actually been given a title exactly like that because of the color.

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swelling, we know that's not true, wait a minute, so princess, but you don't know that's not true, but don't think about it, can we just talk about this particular fact, if we think about the possibility that what they did? What you're saying is true and that they were worried about how dark Archie would be. There's also a chance that they don't want him to be a prince, they might not want him to have a title and the thing is shock, horror, these things happen in life.

Unfortunately, that's how it happens sometimes everyone acts like they're completely surprised. I can't say I'm completely surprised to hear these

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, you know, and it's important for you to realize that sometimes you know what. We don't even know we have these problems in our family. You may have an all-white family and one day someone of color walks in. I would like and you find out that I know yesterday. So, that's what I say. I've had, we've had conversations on the show, we have conversations on the show, okay and I don't feel like you're racist, I'm sorry, and if people say to me, Pierce Morgan, he's, I'll do it, I'll 100 say no.

I have a racist bone in my body because I'm judging you by my experience of you and my experience of you isn't all that correct, okay, but that's why, that's why I feel like it's because of the stance that you were taking. Yesterday was so strong that I feel like it was a little clouded by the fact that you had an experience with her and really what it's about is the fact that you don't like Meghan Markle and that's okay, you know what? it's okay

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markle might not be perfect everything she did might be a little difficult i didn't know her that well all she did was inform me that she has a streak instead she excludes people from her life when she moves on it's okay , he has the right to do that, but he has done it to his entire family except his mother, we have a father coming now who has been disowned and she has a historyof it.

Which I personally find to be informative about his personality.