Nigel Farage Clashes With Political Campaigner Over Rule Britannia BBC Row | This Morning

now let's start with a news story, these are today's front page headlines, boris johnson yesterday accused the bbc of humidity, right, humidity, were his words,

this

was over last night at the proms, you may be aware of

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, everything crude about this. He expressed disbelief that the BBC's decision to present Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory without lyrics this is the last night of the proms. If you've never seen the proms last night, I think they'll have a big audience here this year. is what the Prime Minister said, I think it's time we stopped being ashamed of our history, our traditions and our culture, and stopped this general onslaught of self-recrimination and dampness, well, let's react to all of that.

We are joined by

political

activist femi ulu wulai and

nigel

farage

in this uh femi, firstly, what do you think of what the prime minister said on this issue? Well, he's essentially saying that, given the main reason people are upset about this song. each specific group of people, meaning the BBC, for some reason, uh, is the problem that says, uh, Britain

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d the waves and we will never ever be slaves. He's talking about the slave trade and he's saying we shouldn't be ashamed because that's essentially him. trying to spark a culture war to distract from everything he has done, his own fact that he himself said that the problem in Africa is not that we were ever in charge, but that we are no longer in charge, he is just trying to provoke people he knows. which suits his base, he knows he can use this to say they are going after their culture and agitate people, but this idea that the BBC is somehow leading the march for racial equality when it took them two weeks to apologize by a news anchor using the n-word on a live news broadcast is not what I asked you what I asked you is uh, what do you think of what he said about the government of Brittany?

You're telling me why you think he said it, but from your point of view and I think the audience at home would like to know what your particular problem is with the Rule Britannia lyrics well, to be honest, I don't watch the proms. , most people don't really care about that song because we know we hardly ever sing it, but as for that song specifically, it was written at the time when the United Kingdom was actively participating in the slave trade selling people through of the waves sailing black slaves, so they sang about how we We will never be slaves if we had to use an analogy.

Can you imagine if he was a rapist? And this is not an exaggeration because slavery involved many violations. If a rapist wrote a song about how he himself had never been raped, would you sing it? song no, because you know that song would be that song that would brag about that rapist position at the top of the food chain. Let's see Nigel Farage's reaction now, uh, in all this, um, Femi's offense is justified first things first. I'm very glad Boris Johnson said what he did, he's been pretty quiet for a long time and the BBC has got it hopelessly wrong.

The overwhelming majority of people in this country who care about this want proms to be the way they've always been. the song itself, well the whole britain song is about the fight for freedom uh it's about this country that you know since the viking invasions and king alfred and of course it's quite relevant if you think what does 80 years ago today we were involved in the battle of britain which if we had not won all of europe would have been nazi for decades and decades so we have always been about freedom and I would point this out to femi instead of attacking constantly everything this country has represented.

We agree that it is very good that Britain

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d the waves because for 50 years in the 19th century it was the British navy that got rid of the slave trade when all other countries wanted to continue with it. We are the only country in the west. world that fought hard against a massive caste in money and lives to get rid of the slave trader, why don't we celebrate that Emmy? What do you think about that? In reality, it was the navy that helped stop the slave trade. Many people have come back with that argument. To be honest, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this argument that we needed to get involved in slavery to end slavery and I'm going to point out the fact that, as neither Farage has just said that he's saying that we're going after our culture, this is what they are doing and people marched in the streets about the importance of black lives, none of the people were marching about the government of Great Britain.

They wanted to introduce TVs for the blind because right now Oxford research shows that people with ethnic-sounding names have to submit between 17 and 97 applications. The point is that people wonder why we are wasting time trying to rewrite history, the points you raise. They are very valid, there are many more important issues moving forward now, particularly the fight against racism and people's understanding and awareness, and here we are spending all this time talking about something that was in history and that we cannot rewrite, We can't change, we can. go ahead and change it, you say very well that we shouldn't spend all this time talking about it, but every time I bring up the things we should talk about, they keep shutting me down.

You were hired on today's show to speak. about your objections to ruling Britain and the land of open glory now, if you have no objections to them please let us know, would you allow them to continue operating or do you think they should be banned? I was hired on this show to talk about The Reasons This Song Is A Problem and the reason the song was a problem, especially in the context that we all live in terms of black lives, is because it's a distraction. Now I'm going to explain why it's a distraction. It's a distraction because these people want to distract from the fact that Boris Johnson with his majority of MPs could do things to address systemic racism? could you introduce blind cvs instead they want boris johnson is saying we shouldn't be ashamed about slavery now jim farrar spends his weekends on a boat in the canal shouting asylum seekers want to distract them from the things they have done boris johnson caused the rate of excess mortality highest in all of Europe niger

farage

is the reason why at the end of October we will not only face the end of furlough, but we will also face the end of the Brexit negotiations.

Let's listen to Nigel. It's very interesting, isn't it? Opposed to the result of the referendum that they want to annul are the same ones who want to denigrate this country not only its history but also its present and now look if you are at home getting angry with what the woman says please no he represents a small extremist minority the the vast majority the vast majority of British people are openly tolerant and decent people we are without a doubt the most tolerant country in all of Europe we want racial equality and justice in our society what we do not want is a campaign that disguises itself as issues of black lives which effectively is a Marxist campaign to bring this country down and end capitalism, worst of all is their stated goal of defunding the police force and that's why I want to move on, we've talked, we've talked, I'm sorry.

I interrupt you Femi, we have talked about the government of Britain, I want to move on to the land of hope and glory because they are both songs that the BBC has said will not be sung at the proms, um and on the day, the performance of the land and the hope of glory by mavira lin. has reached the top of the UK iTunes chart today, let's listen to some of that and then we'll talk about the lyrics and what you both think of them. Nigel Farage, would you somehow accept that these kinds of performances are from a different era? and they have no relevance to young black men like Femi and in today's modern world no, I mean the land of hope and glory is slightly different of course the land of hope and glory speaks of a time in which we were the strongest country in the world. and we had this great empire, but think about the fact that in the entire history of mankind never has a country with an empire managed to form after the empire an association like the one we have in the Commonwealth and, again, that is what is remarkable about the British. empire, whatever you think, that every country in Europe was trying to build their own and we still have this fantastic relationship with jamaica, india, australia and canada and it's something that I think should be celebrated and that's why the land of hope and glory can be sung not just by white brits but by people all over the world and you know what it is because last night at the proms it's something that people all over the world watch, they love it, they enjoy it, it's uniquely british , it is uplifting, it is patriotic and it celebrates. our place not only in history, but also in this remarkable relationship we have with all of our former colonies, of which we should be very proud.

Femi. We polled our viewers this

morning

saying that singing should rule Britain and be the land of hope and glory. banned, 91 percent of them right now say no, so can you explain to our viewers what the lyrics of Land of Hope of Glory have? Because people may not think about what they are singing, they just enjoy singing it. Is that what you oppose and think should be left behind? So again, um, if we're talking about this song specifically, uh, the line about how our purchases, our boundaries are broader, yet, the idea of ​​increasing our territory, uh, the idea of ​​the United Kingdom is an empire which constantly increases its territory.

It may not sit so well with you if you live in Northern Ireland and you're on the national side and you think Northern Ireland should belong to Ireland as a united island, that's kind of the point um, but again, this narrative is being pushed by the bbc, the same bbc that took two weeks to apologize for using the n-word on live news broadcasting, the idea that this represents the fight for the root of racial equality is ridiculous, uh, very big. You just mentioned Northern Ireland, my favorite topic here, the Irish national anthem which is called the soldiers' song, let me read you a few words from the Irish national anthem, uh, some have come from a land beyond the waves they swore to be. free, no. more, our ancient sarland will select the despot or the slave.

Do you have a problem with the word slave used in the Irish national anthem? um no, it says our country will no longer harbor the despot or the slave, yes, and you need to explain the Context of what they meant by that. I ask if you have an explanation of the context because every time the s-word seems to be used, you have a problem. Well, it is a problem within the context of the Britannia rule in the On the basis that we were bragging about how we were in a position to enslave other countries while we were not enslaved through the French anthem, the Italian national anthem, the anthem Portuguese national, the Mexican national anthem, do you think we should have a problem? with national anthems in general

nigel

farage without looking we are all all of us in our countries forged by our history and there are parts of our history that we adore and there are parts of our history that we are a little ashamed of and that is the same for all countries of the world, I mean, my God, I tell you what the English words of Marseille, the French national anthem, are read aloud, I mean, it's something real, bloody and visceral, look, the fact is whatever look back at British history.

We have been the country above all that has fought for freedom that has fought for freedom that has fought for religious tolerance that has fought against slavery and that has made the rest of the world end it we should not all be but let us be proud of our culture our history our past and let's stop these extremists like Femi who are trying to bring it down Femi, a BBC spokesperson has said for the avoidance of doubt that these songs will be sung next year and we look forward to their traditional return next year, so which is just this year, how do you feel about that?

Well, as I said, this is the BBC being the BBC, the idea that they are leading the charge that this was a lasting change that they wanted to make and not just one, you could almost argue that this was an intention, an attempt to inspire people like Nigel Farage to get up on their soapbox and say look, they're coming after your culture, look at these extremists when we weren't the ones who asked for this, no one on the issue of black lives matter was talking about proms. . You were calling for real, systemic, real change to systemic racism in the country.

We have asked you to look at home. Should singing World Britannia and Land of Hope of Glory be banned? Ten per cent of you say yes, that means 90 per cent of Nigel Farage has said no, yes. good common sense and you know we are proudof our country, proud of our culture and I think you know I am not worried about Femi as I say he represents this small number, what worries me is the fact that all of us are required to pay a license fee to a bbc who is happily and frankly right during all the trauma we have been through in recent months, happy to pander to this minority view and frankly I don't think the bbc is fit for purpose and I suspect what this little dispute in overall in Britain it will lead to a much wider debate about whether we need the BBC, whether we should all pay for this in the 21st century, well that's another debate and thank you both very much.

From you for your thoughts on Femi Oluwale and Nigel Farage. Thank you so much.