"You're LYING!" Piers Morgan Hosts Debate On Iran, Israel And Hamas

The general view in the West is that Iran's attack on Israel was an abject failure, whether it was a genuine attempt to hurt the State of Israel or simply a billion-dollar fireworks display. It didn't work. 99% of the drones and missiles were fired. brought down by Israel's allies and their Iron Dome Israel seems tough again Iran seems weak and after months of rebukes from its allies for the Gaza War Israel's powerful friends have once again made their loyalty clear so what had What to gain Iran? Well, first things first, the Iranian regime. He is hated by his own people, his enemies mean survival, he had to be seen to respond to the Israeli attack on his consulate in Syria and those who say Iran has the right to defend itself and that the United States would respond with force, what rock have you been living? under Iran has been touching its nest through proxies for years Hezbollah attacks Israel from Lebanon in the north the hotis and Yemen have attacked ships in the Red Sea more than 60 times in the last 6 months alone Hamas began its diabolical war in Gaza by invading Israel with Iran's financing and full support fundamentally Iran does not believe that Israel has the right to exist, it wants to surround the country with paramilitary groups and ultimately dominate the region, but like all pariah states, it benefits of chaos, like all dictatorships. people suffer the most, so what should the western world do about it?

Is this a moment of appeasement or power? Did the attack throw Netan who is a lifeline and how will the shifting political winds affect the war in Gaza, where millions now face famine at a moment's notice? We will

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those big questions with Mustafa bouti FL Hassan Nahum and Franchesca fantini, but first with an insight from Tran. Joining me is Professor Muhammad M

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dy. Thank you very much for joining me on nonsense, thank you for having me, obviously, I have summarized my point of view on this situation.

I'm sure you won't agree with much, if not all, but what is Tran's take on what happened here? Yes, I think it's pretty fair to say that I don't agree with all of this. Tan's vision is quite clear. You know it very well. I know your viewers very well. Your viewers know very well that the Israeli regime is carrying out genocide and this is due to an ethnic supremacist ideology. It comes from a party and this is unacceptable and the people who lived in that land have been expelled, the people of Gaza live in a concentration camp now in an extermination camp and the West has caused this situation, regardless of the crimes that have been committed. committed against Jews, Gypsies and Slavs.

They have to pay for it themselves. They can't take it out on the Palestinian people, so the Iranians, along with almost everyone else in the world, except some people from their part of the world. I believe that partisan rule has to come to an end, and when it comes to an end, it means that all the people of that land have to be able to live as equal human beings. I know it sounds crazy, but ethnic supremacism is not crazy. "It's good, but the Iranian regime's position is that Israel should not exist. The British regime's position is that Israel as a separate state should continue to exist.

The American regime's position is if it could be seen that it did." The question I asked you is the position of the Iranian regime. The answer is yes, but what is the answer to that question. I'm getting to that. The US regime's position is that apartheid should continue. Iran's position on South Africa was the same. The gap was the same back then, when the British and the Americans supported apartheid in South Africa and racial supremacism in the South African region, Zimbabwe today and so on, back then Iran supported the indigenous population, back then Iran supported the supported, at that time Iran supported the military. wing of them and Nelson talking about South Africa I'm talking about what the current position of the Iranian regime is in relation to Israel.

Iranians believe that Israel has no moral legitimacy as a separate regime and the only way to gain legitimacy is if art is left aside if ethnic supremacism is left aside if racial and religious discrimination is left aside in the sense that Muslims and Christians are inferior human beings and have no right to the land they have been on for hundreds of years who should leave aside the people who have been expelled have the right to return it is not very complicated it is not as you say , rocket science well, it may not be complicated for you, but what seems complicated to us is what Iran has been doing in the last For some years, if not decades, it has been supporting through proxies groups like the houses in Yemen, Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, funding and helping to train them to commit acts of war against Israel, firing endless rockets and, as we saw on October 7th. committing an act of terrorism, um, so it's not as simple as you're trying to imagine it.

Iran has long had a vested interest in supporting terrorism against Israel. No, I think the regimes that have a vested interest. Those who support terrorism are the ones who are giving the Israeli regime the weapons to carry out genocide and the genocide began long before October 7 and the Gaza Strip was a concentration camp long before October 7, you know that as good as I was in October. the 7th occurs in a vacuum and terrorism has been carried out regularly by the Israeli regime against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip for decades, they bombed and killed them regularly and it is not just the Gaza Strip.

I think approximately 400 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank over the last six months. These are regular events but they are not recorded in the West because again the Israelis are Europe, they are Europeans, it is a European colony, they have priorities over the brown people of the land, but it is a fact that Palestinian children, according to statements by senior officials Israelis, Palestinian women, according to members of the Knesset, are inferior people. If you look at the South African complaint, they clearly point out the opinions of these people and the hunger Siege and the intention to starve the people of Gaza, women and children, that is because they look at them as inferior people.

This is not about two armies, it is about a subjugated people trying to defend their rights, if that were the case. In Germany, how would you let me ask you, professor? Let me ask you, professor, how would you classify what happened on October 7? It was a terrorist attack, no, it was a retaliation against a people who were imprisoned, who were hungry and who are regularly detained. regularly mistreated and people who were imprisoned who belong just to be clear just to be clear do you believe that the massacre of 1200 people the rape the cremation the mass murder that occurred that day by a group whose own spokesperson said the Hamas spokesperson Days later, on television, in front of the cameras, it was said that Hamas was determined to do the same thing over and over again as often as it could, which is actually the purest personification of the genocide you're talking about.

You don't condemn what you are doing. being dishonest uh there is no evidence no, I am not from there is no evidence of rape and I ask your viewers to do it Absolute nonsense, no, it is absolute nonsense that there is a systematic rape and if you are being intentionally dishonest you are helping the Israeli regime to continue their genocide justifying it through dishonesty, so it is up to you to decide that there is no evidence of systematic rape and, like the beheading, there has been clear evidence of rape and sexual abuse against Cable EV. I refer you and your audience to the good work done.

Discovered by people in the gry area at the Inada electronic base in the United States, many of them are excellent people, they are excellent reporters and you should invite them on your show to talk about these accusations that I have spoken to. I have spoken with the best reporters who have covered this eh well, only you also interest me, only you also interest me Professor, only you only want to deny that there was rape, you don't want to deny the incineration or the beheadings or the mass murder of Holocaust survivors, the kidnapping of several hundred people, including babies, uh, I mean, do you condemn any of that or do you think all of that is justified.

Look, Pierce, you're trying to play with words and that's okay. As long as you're not okay, you're just playing along because there's no evidence of beheadings, you're just taking the account of the dishonest Israeli regime that they have no evidence and people have written articles, there was demonstrable proven evidence that people were beheaded. verifiable evidence and more than that, we know from Hamas' own video coverage of what they were doing in real time that they proudly broadcast to the world that they did not try to hide this. I'm just curious to know why you, who feel so much why.

You see, it's Israeli genocide. Why wouldn't you be equally desensitized by Hamas's genocidal behavior that day? No, you're not being honest and that's where they broadcast these images of the Hamas beheading to the world. You can send it? Can you put it in? Right now, where you have it, I didn't say they broadcast the beheadings. There was evidence found of people who had been decapitated that was not broadcast, but what was the one that, like you, I did not say that there were images of the beheadings. "Beheading I said that evidence was found that people have been beheaded, but I would also tell you that what they conveyed about Hamas massacring and kidnapping people and proudly boasting about it is something that you seem to be smiling about.

It's just you, I tell you." I'm smiling because clearly you are being dishonest if there were innocent people anywhere, whether in Palestine or elsewhere, who were murdered by a soldier, by anyone, that of course is unacceptable, but then these accusations of systematic rape and these The claims that they are dishonest claims. There are people who have worked hard to prove that there is no evidence of these systematic rapes and beheadings and that they were used as propaganda to justify the beginning of this Holocaust in Gaza and to those who continue to commit them. I'm dishonest Professor, you talk about me being dishonest, but what you just said is an absolutely shocking example of dishonest honesty.

Hamas did not even try to hide what it did. They did not hide their delight, their joy, their pride. In what they were doing, some of them called their family members in Gaza to brag about what they had just done to the old ladies and the children and I'm curious why you can't condemn this today. colleagues in the era when everyone has cameras and their cameras everywhere show us the evidence, they show us the evidence, especially in Israel, especially in Israel, which is a society that has cameras everywhere but you do not have images of There is no beheadings and you have no recording of any rape.

I wonder why bodies were found that had been decapitated. That's a fact, so okay, show them in your program. Show all these bodies that have been decapitated. Show them in your program show those photos how many people how many people do you think there were? How many people do you think were killed that day? I think about 1,100 to 1,200 many of them were soldiers so you accept there was a mass killing. What constitutes genocide for you is that an attempted genocide is not like you say the French Resistance that was operating against the Nais and they go and carry out an operation and during that operation, unfortunately some children are killed, so you say, oh, so the whole French resistance is illegitimate and the Nazi occupation is legitimate, that is nonsense if, as I said very clearly, wherever an innocent person is killed, I condemn it, everyone condemns and I wish you would condemn because is producing a genocide and is making claims without the justification to make them without the evidence to make them.

I would refer you back to those websites and those reporters and journalists who have proven that the claims were inaccurate, to say the least, and probably dishonest. I turn to: We agree on this so people can make their own decisions, but let me move on to the missile attacks that Iran launched against Israel. 300 UND of them were spectacularly unsuccessful. I mean, they barely caused any damage again. I can explain why, but it was a spectacular failure, wasn't it Iran's fault? Just a lot of exhibitionism and throwing fireworks into the air with no results other than hurting a girl, of course, I'm joking, it's funny the way you always bring up things where the other and the non-Western are competent and incapable and your fantastic Israeli allies are at the top of their game.

No, in fact, it was a big defeat for the Israelis and the Americans, and why, because The Iranians sincethe beginning, well, let me tell you, first of all, that the Israeli regime carried out an airstrike against an Iranian embassy. The whole world condemned him. Forget the West. Forget the UK and the US. They are marginalized. They supported him because at the UN. The Security Council, its regime, the American regime and the French regime, prevented the condemnation of the bombing of the Iranian embassy, ​​so the world united behind Iran and Iran said we are going to retaliate, but what did Iran do? ?

Iran was very smart, they first. They played 10 days of Mind Games with the Israeli regime and then they declared that they were going to carry out the attack, so the Israelis and the Americans and everyone mobilized everything they had and the Iranians sent hundreds of uh. Dirt Cheap drones cost a few thousand dollars each and it took them three hours to get there and then their Israeli allies spent, by their own estimates, $1.35 billion to shoot down drones that probably didn't cost Iran $2 million, the Iranians did. They didn't use any of their new technology, it was all old technology, so the Israelis didn't gain anything, but the Iranians got a lot of information about the capabilities of the Americans and the Israelis, and I must say that most of the things They were made by the Americans, not the Israelis, not the British, not the French, and then the Iranians sent a series of old missiles that they had stored for a long time, none of them with the latest technology, and then again the Americans and the Israelis attack them with very expensive weapons. missile defense systems and use all their capabilities by giving the Iranians enormous amounts of information again a couple of million dollars nobody is going to buy those old missiles and then Iran sent a handful along with these missiles, a handful of serious missiles that were aimed at two base bases, the two most heavily defended military sites by the army in the world, an air base in the south and an intelligence gathering base, I think in the north, and both took direct hits, so the Israelis They showed their hand and spent a lot of money. at a time when these missiles exist, there is a huge shortage of them because of Ukraine and the Iranians gave no information about their capabilities, even those, I have to say that is one of the most entertaining explanations for such an abject failure that I believe .

What I've heard should smile again and let me take you back to what Israel said they committed the attack on Damascus 4 was because they discovered that the building was diplomatic in name only and was being used as Iranian. military and intelligence base, hence the presence of all these generals, two of whom were killed along with everyone else there, so if it was being used as a military base and they were training Hezbollah, which is what they believe they were doing, then it was a legitimate target, wasn't it okay, of course, since you support the Israeli narrative and you are friends with the people who are carrying out this Holocaust, this ongoing Holocaust and you don't care about the people, any narrative?

I'm just asking you. was being used if it was being used as a military base, was it a legitimate target? If they are training to attack Israel, you have one of the most extreme narratives and I think you are doing a disservice to the Truth. Actually, I don't know at all. I have been very critical of Israel, but I don't believe. Whenever I interview people who cannot say for themselves what Hamas did on October 7, I always find that it is a bit incredulous then, whatever they say because we all saw what happened with our own eyes.

People aren't intimidated by you. That's the problem. You can bully some of your people, but you can't bully us. I don't intimidate anyone. I want to get to that I want to know I'm just fascinated okay let me ask you this let me ask you this let me ask you professor I'm trying to be coy that's diplomatic you don't ask the questions. that's no, I'm answering your question that it was a diplomatic building, you know very well that the Israelis had no right to touch it, they committed a crime and the Iranian retaliation was active self-defense and your own foreign minister humiliated himself on Sky.

News, which is a media outlet that sympathizes with the regime when it said: well, if one of our diplomatic buildings were attacked, what would be the response, so don't be stupid, the Israeli regime is always

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and so is the American League. The hospital is full of underground tunnels, where the tunnels were and then at the beginning when they attacked the Alh hospital and killed hundreds of people, they said no, it was the resistance and the Western intelligence agencies said the same thing and then We saw them attack hospital after hospital after hospital after hospital, so put your faith in the narrative of these child killers bombing hospitals and destroying the very foundation of humanity, the most basic needs of the common people in Gaza, come on and yes, here's the Irony Professor, the irony is that all the attention was actually falling on Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza and whether it was a massive overreach and whether too many civilians were being killed and when we saw the workers humanitarians killed obviously angered people like Well, everything was going the way that Iran would have liked, which was General Global, uh, indignation that was fermented by what was happening there.

Now the narrative has changed, hasn't it because what we saw were countries like Jordan competing to help Israel? defend against Iran's missiles, the ones you've tried to dismiss but they were real missiles, eh, and how does that help Iran's narrative that Israel is the bad people in the region when there are major Arab countries like Jordan and Saudi Arabia offering airspace etc.? How does that help your cause in trying to isolate Israel? All it did was achieve the exact opposite, didn't it? First of all, the people of Jordan know that the Israeli regime considers Palestinians to be Amalekites, we are not stupid, Pierce. and they are not stupid, the government of Jordan does not represent the people, you know it and I know it, but the most important thing is that the government of Iran does not represent the Iranian people, it represents the Iranian people more than your government represents the British people . but I wouldn't say that at all, I would say that the Iranians when they carried out the attack and by the way I will also say that in the end when the Iranians carried out the attack they punished the Israeli regime and humiliated the Israeli regime but nothing goes to distract world public opinion from the Holocaust in Gaza.

Don't think the Israelis can do that, no one can make the Holocaust continue as we speak today, before the president of Brazil and other world leaders say that what the Israeli regime is doing today to the people of Gaza is exactly the same as what what the Nazis were doing in Germany, no one is going to forget because the Iranians retaliated. Well, let me ask you this, it's been well reported, no. I want to ask you something: it was reported today that Israel is preparing to carry out a retaliatory attack against Iran in some way, we still don't know how, and you have said, among other things, that if the war spreads, I have no doubt. .

US bases in the Persian Gulf region will be destroyed and countries hosting US bases will be guilty by association, all those oil and gas facilities will be destroyed by drones and missiles. I mean it's kind of strong rhetoric, but the reality is that if Israel attacks Iran, it has a much more sophisticated and powerful military capability and if the United States were to defend it against any further retaliation of the type you describe, then Iran would be annihilated, isn't it? I mean, it's not possible to compete. with the combined military firepower of countries like Israel and the United States, why would you pretend otherwise?

That is your illusion. The Israeli regime is vulnerable and weak and has proven incapable of taking a DOT on the map that they have not been able to. take Gaza after six months of genocide they have not been able to take even northern Gaza after 6 months of genocide they have to withdraw at least 100 to 200,000 people from northern Israel because they cannot stand up to Hezbollah they cannot push back Hezbollah Hezbollah cannot defeat them, so one thinks that the Israeli regime is going to defeat Iran. Why are Americans worried about any Israeli attack? Because they know exactly what will happen next time.

Iran will not fire those old drones to gather intelligence and to empty Israeli and American missiles next time, the Iranians will send thousands of top-notch missiles and drones and the Israelis will be severely punished and the reason why the Americans They don't want this because they know the balance of power has changed, Pierce, let me give you some advice: your media, regardless of whether Russia or Ukraine is good or bad, that's another topic. His media in the West has been misleading people for two years saying that Ukraine is Winning Ukraine is winning, suddenly everyone is saying that Ukraine is falling apart.

Dishonest storytelling and dishonest reporting to your own people ultimately harms the people of England, Europe, and the United States, and your endless wars based on this nonsense and misinformation lead to huge waves of refugees. and then the people of Europe are overwhelmed by these refugees that you yourself brought with you. Yeah, I mean, I think I would return the favor by telling you that I think you should wake up to the reality of what your regime is doing because I think it's pretty clear to anyone who has looked at the situation as a whole that what Iran has been doing It is a direct response to Israel normalizing relations with a number of countries in the Middle East that intensely annoys Iran because it does not recognize Israel as a state, so what Iran has been doing is funding and feeding groups. terrorists like Hamas Hezbollah to constantly attack Israel because what they want to do, particularly with October 7, is to dismantle and destabilize any further normalization of Arab relations. countries with Israel, particularly Saudi Arabia, who are about to do it, so I think the completely counterproductive launch of all these missiles the other day actually had the completely opposite effect.

Jordan rushed to defend Israel and Saudi Arabia offered airspace and also uh It also helped defend them, uh, and when that happens, it isolates Iran, not Israel, anyway, we'll leave it there. Professor, let me, let me, let me answer that, let me answer that, it's actually the opposite when the West continues to support atrocities. carried out by the Israelis when the West openly supports an ethnic supremacist regime and when the West supports a genocide the public throughout the region is turning not only against the Israeli regime but also against the West a few families that rule countries are not public opinion and ultimately by pursuing this you are creating anger that you will not be able to stop in the future and just one last point on a personal note: I experienced what the West does to the non-Western world when their governments supported Saddam Hussein when their governments were. arming In the 1980s, before you turned against him, his governments gave you chemical weapons.

I survived two of those chemical weapons attacks. I survived both mustard gas and nerve agents that were provided by the Western government to Saddam Hussein and many people did not. Surviving the intentions of Western regimes are not benign. Their governments have done nothing but ruin and destruction to our part of the world and much of the rest of the world and now because of the disaster they have created across the board. now you're ruining the lives of your own people, well just for the record, I was the Daily Mirror editor who led the UK media campaign against the Iraq war, uh3, so I know what you're saying.

I'm just saying I did that and then you're evaluating what I think about what happened. I know what you're doing. I was at the anti-war protest in London at the time, so I know where you were right. You probably were. carrying a Daily Mirror banner because I know it's a complicated situation Professor Mirandy I appreciate you joining me thank you very much well. I am now accompanied by the current deputy mayor of Jerusalem and special envoy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. for Israel, FL Hassan Nahum, the founder and leader of the Palestinian national initiative, Mustafa Bugatti, and for us, commentator and podcaster Franchesca Fantini, well, that was a lively

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I had Flur Hassan and what's his response to what I just heard, I mean, I think if there's anything more embarrassing than what happened Saturday night, we just saw it now. With this spokesman for the Iranian regime that he speaks of, he takes all the anti-Semitic and all the anti. -Israel tropes and puts it all in one sentence with absolutely no truth and depth, with the fact that ignoring the fact that talking about subjugation is from his country, if a woman has twolocks of hair that show her, they arrest her and beat her. in custody they have been subjugating the Kurds for God knows how long and overall what we are seeing here is a war of civilizations between Iran that wants to take back the world 500 years ago that doesn't really believe in any of the liberal values ​​that we all hold dear. against the free world and what is really interesting is that Iran until Saturday night did not show its hand, they were always working through proxies, they were working through Hamas, Hezbollah, they took and ruined Syria, they are working through through the They have been attacking American and British assets through the hoodies.

They've taken over parts of Iraq, but this is the first time they've really shown their hand and I think they came out very badly from what happened. Saturday night, so I agree with you on that, well, let me bring in Mustafa bouti. I mean, I found it curious the way he tried to claim that this was a huge victory for Iran and that they had deliberately fired very cheap missiles and never expected them to work, etc., none of that seemed very plausible to me. It seemed much more plausible to me that they fired 300 missiles that were shot down not only by Israel's Iron Dome but also by some neighboring Arab countries and what they did do. was to greatly distract the world's attention from the current Israel-Hamas war, which I don't think is a good thing for you or what you are trying to get the world to pay attention to, well, who tried it, who started this terrible situation, it is Netanyahu, no, no, no.

Wait, it's Netanyahu who tried to distract from the massacres he's committing in Gaza and the genocide that has claimed the lives of 41,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians, 70% of them civilians, women and children. 15,000 children massacred by Netanyahu and more than 10,000 women. talk about women's rights, you don't care about the fact that Netanyahu killed 10,000 Palestinian women and Nanyu caused Iran to shut up, no, you're, shut up about a woman who is very internal. I won't talk to you. let me finish you are being very misogynistic you cannot have the right to speak and you do not let me speak you can shut up and because they are figures that are confirmed by the United Nations shut up you cannot tolerate hearing the truth and reality shut up, shut your mouth and let me finish, Please, I didn't interrupt you, if you interrupt me, I won't be very diplomatic, Mr.

Pierce, you have to be fair and run the show properly. Do you want to do that or should I go? Don't lie, don't lie about the numbers, please don't lie about I don't want them to leave the show. Nobody can hear anything. Let me please this lady so she keeps interrupting me. No, but I would say, for the record, can I? I finished my answer. I don't think repeatedly yelling at a woman to shut up is particularly edifying. Okay, you can finish your point. Yes. Okay, but it's not because she's a woman, it's because she's interrupting me.

Can you ask them not to interrupt me? The condition for participating in your program is that I will not be interrupted and will be treated in a civilized manner. Will you provide it to me or is it up to you? I'll treat you civilly, but I think what she was doing she asked. you are you, Mr. Pierce, you are the one running the show you are you the one running the show you are you are biased towards Israel we know you are pro-Israel we know I don't care about this I'm ready for any of your questions , but don't let your guests get in the way, as you know, I've given a platform to more pro-Palestinian guests than any other show in the world.

I don't have the form I don't take, you are allowing this lady to interrupt me, she shouldn't interrupt me, no, I asked her, I asked her not to, so let me finish your point, this situation was started. This situation this situation started because Netanyahu wanted to provoke Iran. He wants to prolong this war as long as he can so he can continue this massacre of the Palestinian people. He knows very well that the first day of the end of this war will be the last. The day of this war will be the first day of the end of his political career.

He knows he will go to jail for four corruption cases against him. He knows that he will be investigated for failing on October 7 and now. He is failing in this war and this man wants to drag the entire Middle East into a terrible fight. He wants to provoke Iran to happen exactly what happened, which is to provoke the United States into going to war with Iran like the United States provoked him. entering a war with Iraq that is the reality and that is why this entire situation was caused by an unacceptable attack on a diplomatic mission, even in wars countries do not attack the diplomatic missions of others and in this case Israel violated that law and also provoked the war attacking seven and killing seven International Aid workers and the genocide against the Palestinians continues the figures are correct because that is what the United Nations says 41,000 Palestinians killed, including 7,000 under rebel rule, including 15,000 children, including at least 10,000 women and there are another 76,000 Palestinians Israel, wounded, is committing three war crimes at the same time: the war crime of genocide, the war crime of ethnic cleansing and the war crime of collective punishment, and it is for Now there are around 700,000 people dying of hunger in the north, including 350,000 children, that is the reality. spoke about terrorism, who is the terrorist here?

Are they the people who are fighting to free themselves from the longest occupation in Mid in modern history? The people who are trying to get out of the aperti system are those who are oppressing it. Let me tell you that the same European mind, the same mind that allowed the horrible Holocaust against the Jewish people, is the same mind that now allows a holocaust against the Palestinian people and these people don't care about the Jews, they don't care about the Palestinians. They don't care about the Arabs, they only care about their interests, their economic gains and the continuation of a settler colonial project that is subjecting the Palestinians to oppression and subjecting them to a very dangerous path, that is the reality, okay, you I have given the go-ahead.

I gave him plenty of time to talk there, let me bring in Franchesca, she was nodding her head at much of what she had just heard from the Barouti staff. Do you broadly agree with him? I do and if Mr. Baruti ever told me he should shut up. Above, Dr. Baruti, I would remain silent because I have greatly admired his work over these many years. Look, I'm coming at this as an American. I'm coming at this as someone who overpaid his taxes. ask me, I'm not a billionaire, they pay next to nothing and my tax money went to fund what I think is a genocide in what 57% of Biden voters say is a genocide that just came to light Whether you like it or not, and so do I.

Come to this as a mom, okay, I have an 18-month-old daughter and there are 10,000 women in Gaza who were murdered and 6,000 of them were mothers. There are 19,000 orphans in Gaza right now and 60,000 pregnant women giving birth. in abject conditions struggling to eat to feed themselves and their unborn children and mothers struggling to even breastfeed because you need so many calories when you're a nursing mother and they're starving, so that's what I'm talking about. this is why I ask President Biden why we continue to fund this and fortunately in response to the Iranian attack, whether or not you believe it was performative or real, whatever it was, Biden is actually for the first time that Hallelujah argued for some amount of restraint saying we're not going to go there on an offensive against Iran depending on what Israel does now, that's fine, but I'm also going to point out that we're still funding them with billions of dollars in weapons, none of that money, none of that, aid has been cut off, up in arms and annoying as some Israeli officials are and full stop, it's so funny being lectured about human rights, finish your point, full stop, it's fun sermon on human rights oh Iran doesn't have human rights look I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime I don't come here to defend the Iranian regime I don't defend the American regime I defend humans and human rights, but it's funny that Israel, which has basically controlled its population and occupies an entire town so as not to turn them into citizens and deliberately deny them fundamental human rights, then is lecturing other countries about what they do to their own people. give me a break, we're all over this, okay, I'm asking you how you feel about one-year-old kafir bibas, who is currently in a dungeon and was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, a one-year-old boy, how do you feel? you feel about it like mom a one year old baby Ginger baby that's the name it's terrible that's old Oney Do you think you'd want your government to come save your baby?

Would you want your government to come save your baby just one question? I'm a mom, tell the government of Israel, baby, you want your government to start doing that, so, yeah, two years ago, two days ago, Hamas rejected another deal for a ceasefire, a very generous deal for a ceasefire. the fire so we can bring back our babies like your 18 month old baby, what do you do? You say to that uh you rejected a ceasefire I'm sure you don't know your fights I don't know who you are I don't know what gives you credibility to come to this program but I ask you as a mother Two days ago we could have already seen a ceasefire and Kamas He said no, they have a one-year-old baby and his deputy mayor of Jerusalem.

I know Israel is planning to go ahead with an invasion of R. Wait, wait, wait a second conversation on As a mother, how do you feel about Hamas rejecting peace? peace, let me address this, please, let me, let me, please, get back to the conversation. I want to ask Franchesca this question is that I completely agree that the plight of innocent Palestinians is The terrible number of deaths of innocent Palestinian women and children in particular has shocked everyone. However, I also understand that after October 7, Israel felt a visceral national desire to go after the people who carried out that horrible terrorist attack and my question to you.

We would go back to October 7, what should Israel have done, given that the people who perpetrated this Hamas are embedded among civilians, in the way we now know through the tunnel system and everything else related to hospitals, schools, etc. .? given that this is how they exist in Gaza given that they carried out this heinous terrorist attack, what should Israel have done? This is what I wish my government had done, you know, if my government is one of the most advanced militaries in the world, if they have a map of every man, woman and child in an area where they actually control space air, land and sea.

I would expect them to know exactly where the so-called terrorists are, but that is not actually what Israel has been doing. has been using artificial intelligence technology that deliberately targets suspected militants, but they are only suspects, which means they were in a group chat with him. It is unfounded that Israeli journalists have covered this and attack them as soon as they enter their homes where their families are. are where the number of civilian casualties will be maximized, so I can tell you what I would like my government to do and what the United States government has asked Israel to do, although, of course, with a little whimper, for Please, the right thing to do is to be precise in taking a step back to not only collectively punish the people of Gaza for the crimes of a select few, many of whom were not even born when Hamas came to power, what can you call this?

Also a war? Comrades, let's stop calling this a war. War is when two equal sides really fight there are battle lines there is this and that Me IDF soldiers parading in women's lingerie in the houses they have raided making fun of them making fun of the trinkets the items the things loved that the Palestinian people never will be able to sustain again that is not a war this is a genocide this is a mockery of what should be a so-called war well, I certainly believe that Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they did what they did on October 7th and they knew that the scale of the answer would be what it would be.

I think Hamas has what we are going to do, but what are we going to do? I just want to say that I think Hamas has shown a willful and willful disregard for the lives of the Palestinian people, you can argue. that Israel has two, what's wrong with the idea? But it can't be discussed well. I said you can argue that Israel has two, but you certainly can. I think it's pretty clear and obvious that Hamas knew what the reaction was going to be and didn't care, let me. bring back FL Hassan n I mean, it seems to me that the Israeli people support the moment uh Netanyahu and his war cabinet in their mission to eradicate Hamas.

All the polls show that, but they do not support Netanyahu himself, it seems to me the only way. If we are ever going to achieve peace in this region now, Netanyahu will have to agree with the most right-wing members of his cabinet, some of whose rhetoric he has been absolutelygenocidal. I think they have to go. I think Hamas. It has to go and we need clear leadership that can forge a peace like the one we finally achieved in Northern Ireland after many decades of terrorism and fighting well here's what everyone wants Pierce, blaming Netanyahu and this government for something that we have been doing.

For 100 years we have had many attempts to try to make peace with the Palestinians. It started in the 1930s when the Pill Commission gave Israel about 15% or 20% of what we have today and the Palestinian leadership in 1947 said no to the UN wanting to divide the country into a Palestinian state and an Israeli state the Palestinians said we didn't have the whole Oslo process we had a very very generous offer from a good Barack in 2001 another from a bonnet in 2019 at every juncture in which the Palestinian leaders could have done the right thing to its people and create a State that would give the people the potential to have good neighborly relations with Israel to be an incredible superpower, they have always chosen destruction, war and terrorism instead of peace, everyone in Israel They want peace, we send our children to war.

I am a mother of four children, I have two sons in the army, no one wants to send their children to the Path of Danger, but everything Israel does and everything it has done has been defensive, which is what we want. live in peace and you know the proof of this is that every Arab country that has wanted peace with Israel has achieved peace with Israel, we have peace with Egypt, we have peace with Jordan, we have had peace with the Emirates United Arabs, we have peace. with Bahrain Morocco Sudan and, thank God, very soon with Saudi Arabia and why these countries want peace with Israel because they understand that the region is divided into two: the countries that want peace and prosperity and the countries that want destruction and death led by Iran and the problem with the Palestinian leaders is that they have always been pawns in that game.

Do you think the Iranians care about the Palestinians? They, the Palestinians, simply know that it works well on Muslim streets, they don't. They don't care that they want absolute control of the regions, they want the United States to leave the region and they want a new world order and, unfortunately, the Palestinians have been plagued by bad leaders who have always opted for a kleptocratic regime or a genocidal regime Mr. Buti. He works for a regime that pays money to terrorists that teaches children in its educational system to hate Israel and one day all Jews will go to the sea.

This is part of his educational authority and Mr. Bagui knows better than anyone that Hamas killed his own people. in 2006, when Israel left, let me BR Andaza is not occupied, let me Gaza is not occupied. Israel left in 2005 and killed Mr. BTI's friends and colleagues for being in power until that time, but you won't even hear Mr. Bui criticize Hamas. Although Kamas hates him more than they hate me, well, let me give you the last word, you should know what it is, you know what it is, you know it's okay listen, listen, don't interrupt me, please let me answer.

I didn't interrupt you at all. Okay, the presentation that was made was as if Israel was a very peaceful country. Israel has waged no more than 15 wars over the past 7 years. Israel was established by destroying 520 Palestinian communities. Don't interrupt me. I told them who started the Israel was established by committing 52 massacres in 1948. Aish Liim, a highly respected Israeli historian and academic working at the University of Oxford, did extensive research in which he could not find a single evidence of that Israel accepted the partition plan in 1947, but claimed that it did which is a big lie and in my opinion you asked Mr.

Record what Israel should have done. I tell him what Israel should have done. Israel should have declared that it will end its illegal occupation of Palestinian lands that has already lasted 76 years of ethnic occupation. cleanup and 56 years of illegal military occupation Israel should have declared that it is willing to end the high tide system so we can have peace. We can only have peace in two ways: either Israel would end its occupation of Palestinian lands, it would take away its illegal territory. settlers who are attacking us terrorist settlers everywhere remove them from the occupied territories allow the Palestinians to have their own state without occupation without control without Hony without aparti or let's live together in a democratic state with equal rights where no law is imposed do not impose on us which says that the light the right to self-determination is for the Jewish people only when you interrupt me psychologically you are trying to impose your occupation on me even occupying my right even occupying my right this is what you are trying to do it and do it ISAC I don't want to tell you that you shut up again but you deserve more than to shut up in reality so please let me finish you want to kill me in my opinion this way of presenting Israel as if it were a country of peace is incorrect the reality is a country of war you have dragged your people into a crime after another and you claim lies you continue to tell lies about the beheading of children about the rape of women you claim that Hamas is oppressing me without allowing me to say this It is not true according to what law you are doing that and let me tell you that you said that I am against killing to any Palestinian Israeli child or any child anywhere, but you claim that 30 Israeli children were murdered on October 7, tell me, tell me. 10 names without names Do you believe in a two-state solution?

Don't you believe in a two-state solution? According to CNN and the Western media, you believe in two people who were murdered on the 17th, wait, wait, the young man who was a person, one young man who was only 14 years old, who was murdered on October 7, and you claim that they killed 30, give me their names and I tell you that killing 30 children does not justify even killing 15,000 children, the blood of these children is on your hands and on your brain and on your conscience and the world will not allow this to be believed because at the end of the day I believe in self-determination inter-Palestinian.

I'm asking you a question. I want to debate. I want a dialogue with I want a dialogue with you I don't want a dialogue I am asking your question mark palan self-determination interrupting me do you agree do you agree to end the occupation do you agree to end the occupation together in a democratic state? I believe in the resolution I can run I can run to be your prime minister, for example, in a democracy, would you accept that we have? Accept that I have the same right as MERS. You don't accept it because you say that it is for the Jews that we have Arabs?

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they are confusing people they don't believe me finish I have to say the last word they don't believe there is no point in talking about each other because we can't even have any right in our ancestral Homeland, that is your problem and that is how you lie to your people, but let me tell you something: we will never leave, so the only way to achieve a peaceful resolution. The only way forward is to find a peaceful resolution because we are not going to leave, okay sir, can I, can I, just finish my sentence, please, yes, yes, okay, what you just saw is a very good example of Israeli behavior and supremacist approach in which they do not even want to allow us to express our opinion.

It's an oppressive approach where this lady can't even tolerate hearing my opinion. I ask for equality. I ask for respect of human rights for all. I ask and you are not only lying, you are a criminal, you are a participant in a war crime against the Palestinian people and because deep down you feel guilty or maybe you don't feel guilty because you are committing crimes against the Palestinian people, I tell you. I say and you and you will not suppress our right not only to fight for our freedom but also to say our say freely what we believe in your approach is a reflection of the behavior of an occupier who cannot tolerate the truth because the truth is that I have to leave it there I have to leave it there while we are not going to go out of time I have to leave it there I want to want to thank the three of you I want to thank the three of you very much and the answer to all problems like this is to keep talking no matter how difficult it may seem and no matter how fractured whatever.

I believe in the power of discourse and will continue to invite everyone to debate this and hopefully we can eventually come to a resolution or points of agreement. It seems like it's a long way away right now, but thank you all for joining me, I appreciate it.