The Kevin Samuels Interview

There is no cooler podcast in the world and today I have a person who has become a phenomenon, a force in culture who has taken over social media, taken over YouTube and tells the world many things that can or not be ready to listen today. i have the only

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i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine me and a.d are such big fans that we have to at least give you a slight applause, maybe not a standing ovation right now, but the goatman, yeah, this guy is one of the guys who put me in touch with you, so I thought it was only right to have him on hand while we have this conversation, but it's really an honor to be able to talk to someone. who is making waves in such a unique way, I appreciate it, I appreciate it, yeah, it's a sensation, I'll say it, so give me a little bit of the story of Kevin Samuels and what you might have done throughout your life and how I actually ended up arriving at the format that has given you so much success lately, so my experience is like that of many children born to a single mother and a father who had many children.

I discovered that you know academics were going to help me achieve it. scholarships and university stuff I went to university to study engineering, yeah you know I did the normal things but I hated it. I left my job in engineering, decided to start waiting tables in papacy and from there I fell back into a career in corporate sales and yes I've been around for a long time, remember with the telecom industry, the boom and the bus? Well, I cut my teeth in that environment, a lot of competition, a lot of money, a lot of exposure, but everything disappeared, when that industry fell, I discovered I myself do advertising and marketing selling it, so I come from corporate sales, okay, and in the Last minute I realized that I'm getting older.

I can get it back, but you know, these companies fall apart and so on. I decided to start my own boutique. advertising agency um, that worked out moderately successful, but the way I really got into this business was from the PR side of that boutique agency, one of our clients was about to leave and take about 40 of the revenue from our company, it's going to hurt, oh wow, it hurts a lot. because and she was sitting there saying, "You know, they're going to bring me before the governor for an emergency appointment with a judge." But here's the thing: I don't know how to dress for it and I'm sitting there thinking about all the money we're about to lose because she's leaving, she says, but you're always so kind, it's something you can help me with because was doing his pr.

I say, well, yeah, and I went shopping with her to help. She prepared herself for this and I went and looked up and thought: what is it that when people help people dress for so-and-so there is an image consulted? That's how I got interested in image consulting, but in some ways it goes and What I've done in my life I've always had a stylist sense of style, so I got into the business helping men and women and what I really brought me here was when I started focusing on my guide clients, they were coming in saying Hey, look man, I came to you to get a better personal or professional result, but on the personal side I mean I look good, I smell good.

I'm moving up in the corporate lot. I'm moving up in my business. It's expanding now I want to have a wife, a child, a family, whatever and I can't find any women here that are at my level of my new level and then I hear women say they can't find men Here, what really I'm having is a conversation that my guys and my women are having and I spent the first three years talking to men, but that didn't really take off, but when I started talking to women about the kind of men they say they want, I asked a question: what do those men want from women and that's what really started all of this and you know the pandemic also helped a lot because everyone is sitting at home so that's the conversation that's been going on since this summer. but honestly, I've been involved in relationship conversations since 1989, at Shahara's Ali University Campus, I've always been involved in relationships, but that's what has taken off here and that's what led to this new explosion of popularity. having the same conversation that we have on the basketball court, on the golf course at the barbershop, and I tell women what men really wish they could say, but can't say these things in the corporate environment.

I've been there, you understand? canceled, you'll get me too, you'll have a home to work environment, um, and a lot of women don't understand what the disconnect is, so what I'm saying is, well, the type of men you want are these guys and this one. is what they want from women and are you willing to do that? Or if not, at least now you know why the disconnect is. That's the simplest thing I can say, although it's interesting, yes, because that's something I ended up telling you. One of my employees there I said, "You know, I like Kevin Samuels because he gets crispy every day." I don't really feel like he has that much incentive to introduce me that way, but you know for a fact that you should.

Earn the respect of these random people who call and do things that really help accentuate your brand and you're talking about it like you've always had some understanding of how to dress for what you want. To do well coming from corporate sales, you know that the first thing they buy from you is you, so when you walk in the door and I'm talking about a multi-million dollar deal or even several thousand dollars, your image plays a big role. that and I spent a lot of time and money and investment getting trained, uh, I do, I did the same things that I tell people to do because there's a difference between, say, insurance, someone works at a local state farm, farmers or the whole state is going to There is someone here who makes 500,300,000 and someone who makes 30 or 50.

They are selling the same products in the same market. What is the difference between network and appearance? So I've always known that your image can help you get in the door. what you do once you're in the door is the difference, that's why I emphasize the points of the images before getting images too deep four parts appearance behavior communication fingerprint abcd the appearance part only gives you a pack, but how you behave , how to communicate and then how you look online really solidifies all of those things and all of that comes true on the show because there are people who come in like I don't like this guy, like he has nothing to say, what is he talking about? but then when they sit down and if they actually listen to me it makes more sense most of the time right yeah I've definitely had more than a few people I know try to please and disagree with you but you know we still have conversations .

We're seeing more and more things that I think, listen, I can understand how you can say Kevin is disrespectful. I can understand how maybe you think he's prioritizing things, he's prioritizing materialism or money or youth etc., I can understand that maybe I don't agree with some of that stuff, but I can't say I've ever heard it. give bad advice. Can't. There has never been a time where I saw you talk to a woman and thought she was giving you horrible advice. It is completely misleading. You may be a little harsh at times with the way you speak, but it seems like you're really giving advice to people about being honest and what happened.

Lately I have a private group on Facebook that I talk about. and in this group less than six months have passed and I selected the people who come, men from here, women from here, and in eight months and in approximately seven months, there have been eight couples that have gotten together and three engagements. so even on youtube a young woman posted a video last week. Kevin Samuel's advice is the reason I got engaged and she got engaged in Aruba, so it's hard for people, it's getting harder for people to say your tone, your plate or when you're producing results and what I often say is that, well, Simon Cowell on an American island was allowed to become a billionaire and he's the reason the show was so successful and we wouldn't be talking about it. he, if he wasn't abrasive with his comment bars, howard stern was the pioneer of the shock jock type and even to a lesser extent, gordon ramsay and I asked people if it's my tone or it's the fact that I'm right and you know that my tone only gives you a reason not to like it because two plus two equals four, no matter who says it and we need more of that nowadays, where you can be a man and you can build all this and be successful for yourself and your family. and someone can come back and say "hey man, something you did when you were a freshman in college really made me uncomfortable, give me half of your no thanks, sure, no thanks, the world has certainly changed." a lot in that sense, yeah, yeah, so bring a little bit more of that back and not just and this is what's not just harsh or direct for the love of God, I reflect what I get from people so that the People who watch my show recognize that I just reflect back and there are times when I'm sitting talking to someone who can be a real advocate, the next thing you know she's crying going back to her husband.

But people like to focus on. the things that make your argument stick and it's really about staying comfortable, but I'm great Be comfortable, but be comfortable with your results, don't complain about them, right, you're making a C. I'm good with. the C's, but I don't want correct results because you have them. We must have equality of opportunity, but not equality of results. Yeah, that's the one thing we keep coming back to when we see these conversations that you have with people. It seems like many of you know a lot of the particular women I see you talking to, you just have an artificial image. about what their life is supposed to be like and I wonder where you think that comes from because when you have a woman and this happens over and over again on your show, they're 35 years old, they've had a maybe they haven't had a couple of kids.

They haven't had a successful relationship and then you end up asking them how much money a guy needs to make to be with you when they say a quarter of a million dollars a year and you're like that. It's a very unreal world you seem to be living in and that's a lot of money and What are you really bringing to the table that would make it pop like maybe you fell in love with this guy and got lucky, sure, but it doesn't seem excessively so? probably if you don't bring anything to the table well, I think you know and this is where we start having a multi-track conversation one thing that everyone universally disney disney is always the prince the girl comes out of nowhere the prince finds her in the village and he picks her up and they move around behind him, he comes to America, you know, the '80s Eddie Murphy movie, this Western culture where we have to have a cathartic ending, I mean, if you're a star wars. genuine Star Wars fan or fan Star Wars was supposed to end with Luke turning evil, it wasn't supposed to be good, well we needed to be happy so we could sell merchandise, so something happened, uh, there was a woman named Sue.

Ellen Browder, who used to write for Cosmopolitan in the '70s and '80s, wrote a book called Subverted and admitted that in the '60s and '70s, Cosmopolitan, who was playboy to women at the time, was outright lying to women by selling them this sex. and the city lifestyle and I did a podcast about how you know feminism and that kind of thing was supposed to be about one thing: women have choices if you want to be a housewife, that's your choice, if you want to be a corporate woman, that's your choice and I think everyone can agree with that, but when we say to women, women in particular, you can have it all, you can have everything that you can take home, the Fried bacon in a pen, never forget you were a man, I'm a woman, agility, that's what. the 1970s and that went on and on and on, but we as men know that's not right, you went through a holly at the bar and you find out real quick what the bars rank real quick so the men get a dose of reality often. and then when we eliminate the competition, when we start putting in all these participation trophies, you know you could get a trophy in the spelling bee just because you presented yourself well, it has an effect on people, particularly women, because they women by nature.

Wanting to establish yourself as the highest value man possible is in your nature, but now you have completely deregulated the sexual market, there are no rules and now you have social media and all these dating apps, so if you are a top 10 man in the In the top 20 percent, there are almost 100 women who want men who can produce this result, which is wildly unrealistic. You want a guy who makes at least six figures, that's just 10 of the population, 14 and me, and I come from Oklahoma, the Bible Belt, factory worker, military family. family, I mean, yeah, I fit into this category, but I also get offended when you look at my brothers and say, hey, these guys aren't good because they're average, but then you get mad when I call youaverage, it's true, yes.

We'll always have that conversation on the podcast where we'll ask as a girl who's relatively young and attractive or whatever we ask, like could you date the manager at Foot Locker? You very rarely get a yes, right? She

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ed a professor, Dr. Tia-San Johnson, and he, uh, calif, what is he? university of california, santa barbara, he teaches blackmen's studies and the net net of that is that he is on college campuses and he will have college boys and college girls in his class and he asked the question to these 19 year old women and they want men on a certain level and these men in this room with their peers know that they can't date them, they don't make enough money and these women looking at them like they'll come back to me when they have a hundred thousand dollars, that's not how it was When I was in college, This is a recent phenomenon of the last 20 years or more, where the normal average is not good enough.

Everyone has to have a Mercedes and you have to have a BMW and we have to have a five-bedroom house. plus a vacation home and we have to be able to travel to Europe. Wait a minute, we weren't happy going to Six Flags or Disneyland, but now you have to go to Paris, right? We just came from this. insatiable made us consumers and women have that that and why I say women is because when you start listening to the women that really sold this cosmopolitan and all this kind of stuff, one of the easiest ways to keep money circulating in the community is to keep men. and women break away and continue to market a lifestyle.

Wow, you don't sell a piano to a middle class person, that doesn't make sense. You sell a music room. Every person who is anyone has a music room if you don't have a music room. You know you're just a pagan, so you suddenly justified buying a piano because you know I'm somebody, huh? Yeah, so we started talking about pianos. I have a steinway. I have this. He can't play the piano. For a damn thing, but you have this auxiliary music room because someone marketed it to you, yeah, and you end up with this kind of weird structure where you have everyone, like you know, a bunch of the top five or ten percent of men and them.

We are attracting a large percentage of attractive and eligible women even though they have no interest in being in a serious relationship with them and then there is this other large group of men who now, like the media, will call them incels or something like that who are a A little frustrated with the arrangement because they see the world working this way and realize that even women who they perceive to be at their approximate level of value are often not interested in any man who is near the lower end of their value. on the spectrum, right, I spent the better part of a year and a half talking to guys called in cells, they were tagged in cells, but they don't want to be, they want women, just women, but they can't get them because they're women.

They're not paying attention and I see that those guys were mischaracterized as Cheeto eating, neck beard guys who live on their mother's base and I'm like, no, no, no, I know guys who are 40 years old and make 160 000 in decent looking software engineers. guys, but they don't have any real social skills so they're not prioritized because you keep pushing, you keep getting pushed to the margins of men, so I originally started talking to men, my clients were an image and then I also started. speaking, I started to realize that I had an influx of these incel guys and I thought they were guys that were not economically attractive, that's the new word, no, these guys are solidly middle class or upper middle class, so, what?

What the hell is going on? everyone has to be six figures and be a superhero and that's really what you discover when you start asking women what they want and my sales experience and my way of probing and actively listening and asking questions. I can finally get people to tell me what you want is not what you will accept and what you are finding is that from ged to phd women want two or three children, they don't want to have to work to pay big bills or they just want to have You have to work to pay 20 or less than the family bill so you still want a mail provider that's not the way this country is set up most people need two incomes but then you say these guys aren't good enough.

I'm talking to a woman in college and she asked me if you could date a plumber and without saying anything she said no I'm like you know a lot about what plumbers do yeah it's a great job but I was like , but it was the fact that not only do you not just want a Guy, now you're discriminating where his money comes from, right, it's crazy and that's what this show is starting to highlight, starting to break a lot of this delusion because When you feed the appetite, I'm different than drugs, let me give you some. hits for free and now you're going to buy it, they've been sold this idea that you don't want a high value man, that it's six different things, it's not just money, what you really want is this lifestyle. then I ask, well, what do you bring to the table and what kind of relationship skills and what will you get?

That's where the qrikets happen, so now a conversation has really started that is much needed, we've gotten to the point where most of us don't even know how to relate to each other, we know how to swipe left, swipe right , connecting and getting home properly, it's like the idea of ​​two people who are at a relatively early stage in their career when I think about my mom and dad met in college they probably didn't have jobs or they had bad jobs and that was the dream when I talked to my parents about what they wanted out of life when they were in their early 20s they wanted to get married. a house has a couple of kids working on their careers and building a life together and they did and they've been together for 50 years and it's a beautiful thing but it seems like that dream has been lost along the way where people were so overwhelmed by options and so overwhelmed with moving up the social ladder and trying to have the best partner possible, that the idea of ​​building something with your partner has faded on social media, it's like now all the young girls are coming up. there, looking at everyone's Instagram every day, they see everyone with cute bags, like you have a friend who gets depressed when they look at other people's Instagram.

I can post a picture and he's like, man, my day is ruined, how is your day ruined? because someone else and you know, people spend their money and spend their whole lives trying to fit in with everyone else when they're not even in the same tax brackets and have the same social status and stuff, and what I try to do is I'm like I don't judge what people want, I'm just asking if you're really cut out for it and if you really want that because you know you talk about this social media, you definitely, you know, you threw fuel on the fire when you said that. to be the American dream now uh we're talking about women right now women want, they want the result but they don't want the job and I'm like, well, at what point do men start making these six figures? a 45 to 55, so you're 22.

You want a man in it, oh, now you want them to be young in the top 10 and right it's like to the point where they start to sit down and tell you. I know this is unrealistic and unsustainable because most people are not there and even if you do you can get there from the look point of view there is only one and what are you going to do to get it so It's a very necessary conversation because look even. The kids up there are also normal kids. I imagine you notice that your breath stinks in the morning.

They have bad habits. You know, they're motivated kids. You think they'll be home to go. the network of pta meetings on days of 12, 14 and 16 hours. You know being the wife of a high value man is a lonely life and you shouldn't feel alone, but you're not going to have it all and that's what I think happened. We've told everyone that you can have it all. You can be whatever you want and there is no limit. Now you have people who think they can have it all when they are average and that leads to frustration and depression when they know your expectations don't align with reality.

If you get frustrated, then you have guys you know and you hear these women say I couldn't, I couldn't date a guy who makes 50,000. That's an insult, like you know half the men in this country make 50,000. , that is the average income. I wonder then, what are we ultimately telling people that the only way you're worth anything is if you're here? Okay, are you planning on sharing these guys? I mean, what are you planning to do right now? started now, what it's starting to do is it's starting to separate, it's starting to make this conversation front and center, uh, because before it was just a one-way conversation and finally men are starting to listen to what men They want to, uh, because if you did. say what's on your mind or you'll say what's on your mind is toxic uh uh narcissist nars they call me here narcissist misogynist or all these different things and uh last night I did a stream about alpha alpha females and beta males and I It was like, you know, when A woman says that I am strong and dependent on a man's need.

I need this this this this. I'm like, she can be direct as she wants but if you do that you're demanding that you be this and I'm like, well, the one who makes a golden rule, so okay, you're accepted here, accepted here and what we're really starting to See it's hypocrisy and that's what happens on my show. No, I just question people. and I just let the public decide what you think and now more people are saying you know what maybe I need some therapy maybe I really do because I push a lot you need therapy you need therapy and then um I think we all can do therapy ya whether you come from a troubled background or whether you're doing well, it's maintenance and then understanding that life is about people, success is shared and making money is a social activity, you want to get something out of someone, how useful it is. to someone else because at the end of the day you got your PhD and this and that and you look right and you look left when the pandemic hit and we were locked down and you were there for yourself, that was the reality check, now the people are starting to realize you know what maybe I want someone to walk through this life with me so someone can chronicle my life so when I finally die someone can tell the people who are there what that hash is .

The mark between the date of birth and the date of death meant that you had no one by your side, it was almost as if you were not here, life is much less meaningful if you do not have someone you can partner with along the way and I . I mean, some of us realize that in our 20s and other people realize it's later in life, but I feel like your show is a constant display of people realizing it too late in life. of what they wanted to have. And you know, it occurs to me. I remember when I was 20 21 years old.

I realized that all the young girls I know, all the 18, 19, 20 year old girls, are very worried about being with a guy who has cool tattoos, cool clothes, cool jewelry. whatever and then when I looked at the older end of the spectrum of girls I knew at the time or 28 29 I started to notice that they were more interested in guys like careers that could take care of them etc. it occurs to me when I see that a lot of women on your show end up stuck in that 20-year-old mentality for too long and then might come out of it at 35 and realize that it would have been better if I had been building something along the way. and that's one thing I tell women all the time is that I still have to see the damn days every day.

I have yet to hear a woman call and say "I just want love", you know what I mean. I just eat and I heard you say that there's nothing wrong with dating the plumber, you can be in love with the plumber, but since you don't want to walk or go anywhere with the plumber and stuff like that, yeah, I mean, it's just the expectation too. It pissed me off. What's the problem with only one love? You can meet someone who works at Petco, that could be the guy of your dreams, but you work at Petco, you don't want to take him home to your mom, they are.

I'm going to laugh at you and it's crazy, yeah, well, and that's why I have things about my sales experience. um, you want to close a deal, you don't give people 15 proposals, you give me two, oh, and you're forced to stick with the kiss principle keep it simple, stupid, you get to where the etiquette lines I'm a PhD who now has its own meaning, um, the danger zone at 35. you, if you want a family and kids, you need to focus like a laser right here because if you get to 35 you cross over to 36 to 60 no man's land and more women have started to realize that you know what I never thought this way I thought I could just go out and live my sex in the city life and in 30 something years, I could just give myselfturn around and pick a man from the tree and run away and no you can and I think they'll have the same selection they had when they were 24 or whatever dude I made an Instagram because get a little rawer on Instagram right yeah , and on Instagram I thought: you better put a price on it, you better put a price on it, how much would it cost?

I mean, wait until I upload it, but I'm like a woman. He said he thought he should have the same value in his lady parts at 35 and she made a 25 I'm like you what he's 10 has 10 more years of mileage what are you talking about that's what you always establish He with like, Can you think of any products that become more valuable over time? But look, the thing is, I'm 51, so I'm in generation X, we have a lot of bad information, so 40 to 55 people around the world. in Western countriesIt is a bad business in Japan and Korea.

They have a thing where people die alone. What is Kodokoshi called? You know, they know they find you rotting on your futons. Countries are not prepared for single people until old age. I'm sorry. um, you know, men, we would end up, you know, going into the woods and dying alone, at least we have that dignity, women are going to accept your services, I mean, we call them hermits, we've called them weirdos, yeah, homeless , and we simply took a step to the right. about them, you know, in New York City, but not homeless women, there's nothing more vulnerable than a homeless woman, so you don't have an infinite supply of money to fund the people they've chosen, You know, mid-careers because most people have jobs, not careers. and I'm just talking common sense, we all know that, but we've gotten so far from reality, okay, look man, you had it, you probably had a suitable man at 22, we were together for two years, it always happens that you break up . you left for some reason you probably ruined you ruined everything now you're 40 just go make a deal make a deal I'll give you your insulin shot if you change if you give me my dentures and we just figure this stuff out because you're not going to get the love like if you died in your 20s when you were 20, what you need is respect and companionship and someone who will be there and those other things can come once you know you have someone there. and I witnessed how my mother did this, she got married at 50 years old.

And I also witnessed how my aunts, one died alone and the others on the road, so this is also personal for me, especially when we talk about rejecting plumbers. You don't realize that with college kids who go to school in suits we just look like money, but these guys with trucks and business owners can actually make a lot of money before us with little or less debt and are owners. It's because they have a skilled trade of some kind. You know, if you're in corporate America, your ebbs and flows go with the company and you're starting to see more people start to get real after the 2008 housing crisis because it's the first time.

It affected middle class people, there were people who had good middle class jobs that just disappeared when I was in Dallas, I saw people from 75 to 120, those jobs just left and didn't come back, and a lot of those guys wouldn't. I didn't start a landscaping company, I became an HVAC technician, a plumber, a roofer, something like that and they're making money hand over fist, but they're not in suits, they have a polo shirt with their logo on it right now and that's a lot of men. Of the women they say it's because of his title and I can't take you to the bar with Chris.

It's also funny because while you've managed to be successful at this, you've probably experienced this thing where you get a whole different level of attention from women because now you have followers, subscribers, people know who you are and it's like your financial situation. I guess it may not have changed much in the last year, but the level of care I'm sure you're receiving is completely different and there are lies there. with the whole problem with a lot of the decisions that people are making right, you know, having those check marks next to your name because I come from the image and I understand the power of the fingerprint, you know, I want to tell you in September I know I had like 70,000 subscribers because I had been shadowbanned because of my content.

YouTube really wasn't that friendly to men talking about men's topics, so I come from the image and style side and if I would have stayed there and stayed out of it. From this, I would have had a different subscriber count, but I want to have a different conversation. YouTube also pumped about $100 million into black content creators and said they weren't just going to support the grassroots PC. messages, they were going to allow more stuff to be up there, so I basically left it at that. I started to notice that my limited yellow is starting to turn green.

I wonder what's going on, but then I got all the video, I have all the tools behind it. the scene to make sure I stay in that ballpark, but when I went viral, you notice the watch time goes up and now I'm like 360 ​​000. So it's like 4x uh and with that comes attention and attention is the attention of the new currency is the new currency and now I would say that the watch time and all that stuff has also increased and of course the money increases, but now it's like you know the other day, I was doing, I filmed a podcast with you. quickly uh and then the next night I'm on Instagram and Tommy Lee I saw that and the thing is I didn't know who she was I mean I've seen her before and I'm and like I'm watching.

I'm getting to the point where I have the whole staff and stuff behind me, but I'm sitting there doing my show and I just turned off the comments because I thought they were saying I'm who are they talking about? So I went and looked and I saw a blue check mark next to her name, but I didn't have time to read it, but we had a conversation and I treated her like I treat anyone else. but the numbers increased to about 20,000 people, uh, and the good thing is you know that even she, even a woman like that, admits that I want to get married at first, she seemed like you hate women and at the end I said she told you love kevin i'll say godfather because that's because the truth is if you've been around beautiful women successful women hot women hey look man most people just want someone they can come home to and I just recognize that fact and uh just We're scratching the surface, but the thing is, I want to have this conversation in a larger format so people can start to get more realistic results because what's really cool is when people say I didn't like it but now I'm understanding a best result, I love when you start hearing people say: I found this or I found that because that's what it's about, it's also part of your legacy, it's also part of your script, so if I have to say it in a way that goes to grab your attention because, come on, you have to have a certain amount of entertainment value.

I had a very good I had a very good friend Bob, you say I love your content, but you are very dry, that's why it's so good. I know I mean he's like that when I was still in my suit, I wasn't, I wasn't making jokes, he's like, come on man, it's like you're hilarious behind the scenes, like when you're in, I was like you're very corporate he's like a man, you need to chill, you're cheesy, I'm bad so I was like "okay let's see how it happens and lo and behold, guess what, I became more relatable instead of looking like that fool in the suit that you are ".

Okay, I might not want to dress like him, I don't try, but I like what he says, bro, hey, I like, uh, get the dog, buy a dog puzzle, oh my god, that was classic right there, oh man, so you. I'm from Oklahoma originally, okay, so would you say that influences your perspective on this a little bit because I feel like the problem of people not really being able to connect and get married or whatever, that problem is more of a problem in the On the coast, in the big cities I feel like I'm in a small town, people still have a little bit of that, they understand that you know relating to someone who is more on your level makes more sense, but I guess you're seeing that too.

The mindset trickles down into smaller areas. Look, I'm from Oklahoma City and it was Mill America, the Bible Belt and I grew up in the church, I was baptized at five and then we went from the Baptist church to the Christian Church of God Christ, which is one of the most fundamentalist . shooting sulfur to report some of that, so I also come from a blue-collar factory family with domestic employees you know the salt land, you know the people, but from there I moved to Texas, I moved to Houston, Dallas, then to New York City and then I'm leaving. to the big city and you know, I'm starting to see a completely different dating scene, a bigger city, more options, more money, uh, but what I'm starting to realize is that when I go back to Oklahoma, they'll even have these problems, you know?

I wonder why this is creeping into middle America. Why do you have women in Tulsa? I have women this last week. Yes, I'm in Little Rock. Little Rock. Come on, no, no disrespect to them, because they're on Instagram like everyone else. so they end up adopting a lot of the same ideas, right, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, the states are statistically usually at the bottom of a lot of categories and I'm like, man, you're in Little Rock and you're in your 30s. You're one of me and you want a guy who makes 150. I'm like, what are you talking about?

There are like eight guys, especially there, making that much money is almost impossible, so I and I use a lot of facts, a lot of data. There are a lot of statistics and I have a mathematical mind, so I can take that stuff and inject it into a conversation and make it make sense, like I did one day with an example where I said you're looking for about less than the 7.5 million you have . women who are looking for about less than 200,000 men and that's just in our community, they say oh, I say, yeah, um, and what it does is it's starting to crystallize, do you really want that or do you just want to be sure and That's what I think most women want.

They believe that security comes with money and what it really entails is having something that is unique between a man and a woman. There will always be an understanding in a relationship that no one else will understand. but those two will do it and it will work for them, that's why you get the 50 years, but it doesn't give us that anymore. We're still trying to get these things and we hope that makes us last longer, that's just going to make you look better on the way to breaking I heard that, you know, it's interesting because sometimes it feels like within hip hop or you know black entertainment or whatever, that a lot of times they want the media to maybe want the liberal attitude, the leftist attitude, to be kind of the default attitude, but then I think most of the time it seems like it's someone more like you who's really is the center of the conversation, since the average person who watches this type of content probably aligns much more with how you see the world versus the kind of myth that has been created about everyone in that community wanting to hear something like that like woke propaganda all the time and then someone like you comes out and suddenly you get a huge fanbase seemingly overnight and it's kind of crazy. right, yeah, and I mean, what do you think of that?

Do you think what I did is, you know, I worked hard, I did research, I did surveys and things behind the scenes? I kept wondering why is that in the black community, we can't seem to raise families like we used to, we generally married at a rate of 80 at the height of segregation and Jim Crow and you know, the worst parts of the racial bible, we were formed at a rate of 80 that we had. churches, families, communities and all kinds of things, but now we have our numbers, we're like the tip of the spirit, we can't seem to understand what's going on and we were saying, well, it's the marriage structure in family court. "Well, wait a minute, other people are doing this, why can't we send him outside?" I ask a lot of questions, but one thing that used to come up is this whole high-value man, high-value man thing, so I do it.

What I did was I said, okay, what does that mean? I went and defined it because it can't just be money and I said what men over time, in any region, in any country, any system or government, have separated themselves from other men and what are the characteristics that they have. I shared it and defined it as: you know, earning a certain amount of money during a certain period of time, being accepted or recognized as a high-value man by another high-value man, or having the potential to be in the group because it's like a little fraternity of guys who have a network of high value men and other people and then they are useful to each other and the group, so guys like that are always in demand, whether it's 100,000 or 100 or 100 million and I said , that's fine, and if they are women they tend to say thatthey wanted a man they wanted this they wanted these things because the money is great but if it's in Anchorage Alaska it's of no use to you because they can't see you doing these things if you don't have connections you can't have influence over other women and that was which was really insensitive when I started defining it in that term and asking women what do you want and they said they wanted this.

I'm fine, well, you realize. that's weird, right, and you usually can't be like that at 30 because who makes that amount of money in a three to five year period and all these other criteria, that's what really started doing it and one thing that also I did was say okay, no disrespect to my friends in sports entertainment or music, uh, but their money comes differently, I want to talk about a business class, so I don't because I think it's going to be our rappers and actors and if they are of high value. they make a lot of money but this has a lot of value so now we start talking about men who do this and they tend to lean more traditional they want more traditional results they want okay, they want there to be a you're going to have to get married and bring your wife to the company Christmas party or you want someone who can raise your kids right when you're on the road driving that truck, you know, four days a week, uh, and it's not the liberal quote. -narrative in quotes is much more like you know because the black community has always been much more traditional and now we're just having a conversation saying how do we get what we want and it's through if you want to have a community or something like that, start with the element family is fundamental, so I don't judge. what people want, I just say what you want and how to get there and more people say they want that more than anything else and I focus on that, I don't focus on the 10 or 20 of men or women who say that I do not want it.

I don't want that, I want a different kind of range. I think it's great, that's here and I keep it very tight and very focused, so if you look at my program, I've asked the same questions and the same reason to arrive at the same thing. place to see are you playing here? are you playing there? and more often than not we're starting to see more people wanting this kind of thing, eh, but are you willing to do whatever it takes to get what you want? That's what it boils down to. and then I also like what you say about women, they prefer to be a baby momma over a wife, yeah, and I said you know that's also really part of the problem since you know you can have sex and you know how to have a baby with a woman and she's not going to prioritize getting married, it's like it's the other way around, you know, I mean, it would be a feeling that couples would be much more successful if someone dealt with someone and demanded that they get married first and then having kids and then doing that and it's like I have two kids with two, you know, I have two baby moms, it's okay coming from the church, you know, if you had, if you were in the '60s and you got pregnant, they would send you. from oklahoma to chicago and suddenly you came back with a sister but now I see the same women walking into church with two children from two different men pregnant by another but they sit in the front pew right here and the pastor yells at them, I'm like If we had taken away, we have taken away the consequences, we have taken away the judgment and also the men have left the church because they say, uh, this is not right, so you have the women being fed with what I want to hear that they continue buying books, playing games. ties and all that other kind of stuff, but men are not in these places because men say: "I don't want this, you can do that, you want to have children, that's fine, but I don't." I don't want to pay for another man's children and now women who find themselves in that position say, "Wait a minute, this was great three years ago, no, it really wasn't, guys, I just couldn't say anything because if you were in a position to have a platform to say something that would be taken off your platform, um, this has just been something that's been okay to talk about in the last 12 months, so do it while you can, because it's reality and more women They are starting to realize that if you have kids, okay, understanding what that effectively does is reduce your overall market value and don't get mad at the market, just adjust, just adjust the quarter, it's not a judgment call. death say it if you have kids, but That means it's a different mating calculus and women do it too calculus if you don't make a certain amount of money if you don't have a certain career height uh look, trash size, I mean a car that everyone likes.

You all have a calculation, ask a woman, look, that's the type of woman, what she wants for men, she will write war and peace, ask her what she is going to bring to the table, it doesn't even fit in the back of his posture. There's a problem, there's a problem, there was a video that went viral on someone's podcaster show and I don't remember the real name, but he mentions that he asked the co-host, the woman on the show, and he asked her if could. You're dating a guy who was making me forget what the 150 grand a year figure was and she says maybe if you're selling drugs on the side or something, yeah, yeah, yeah, she pissed me off.

I think that's the worst and she said it like she wasn't joking, which really made me angry. Did she have a short haircut? I think so, I won't fast money. I need to spend money, right? Do you want a guy who risks 20 years in prison for dealing cocaine, you think he's cute and that's the thing too, coming from where I come from, like guys risk the penitentiary every day to impress other women , bro, yeah, I mean, I know guys who had good chemical engineering jobs or dealt narcotics. It sounds to me like you have a master's degree in chemical engineering but you decided to be a h-monger why because of the influence I'm okay bro this is crazy so when you hear women say I don't want to no and that That's what's really annoying.

I got angry when I started listening and I don't want to mention you know content creators when I heard women say, I don't want any nine to five guys. I need a guy who has an entrepreneurial mindset that matches me and my flow. I like that you don't do it with all men who work well. I have a real problem with that. Yes, I sit in an air-conditioned office and make deals, but I come from salt to other hard-working, screwed-up people, and you just don't, no. It's not good enough, right? and because at some point that will be me, because it continues, where does it stop? and no one could tell these women that you're saying I want a man and she says, would you like a man to work in a bank?

Well, yeah, but you know, and whatever, and maybe if he was rushing around doing a little fraud or something, but okay, let's say he did everything he did to get you and then when he's gone, he's gone. and get your good friend to condemn you. you're going to stay down bang bang you're gone bang bang you're gone she's gone from here you're not even going to wait a week you're not going to stay loyal you're not going to stay on ebay you're going to be gone it's the cable reference by the way classic show classic show I want I mean, it's pretty amazing like me and you, you have to wonder where this kind of mentality came from or where the idea came from that having a nine to five was a bad thing and that working was a bad thing. really disturbed mentality like, yeah, it would be nice, you know, of course, a lot of women would like to date a man who owns his own business, I'm sure what they don't discount is how cool he is. is being able to go home at the end of five to nine and not have to be thinking about the business 24/7 like I do, not to mention that being five to nine is, you know, like I look at an ad as if we brought it.

When he starts podcasting with us, he's helping all the other areas of his business. At some point, maybe you could start a business completely separate from what you've been able to accomplish here and nine to five is nothing more than an opportunity to help you get to the next level, one of the things that's going to make women angry. It's that men are much more numerous, we have to get into the numbers, we are cost-benefit calculators, if I go there to shoot down, that will be the water buffalo, it's big, maybe catch it, but if it hits me with that tusk , I'll get out or break something, I'm dead, there's a rabbit, there's not that much meat there, but that rabbit won't kill me, I'm a little tired.

I'm going with the rabbit, I'll eat your ass and then I'll come get your ass in a minute, where I'll have my boys, we laugh because we understand, because if I do that right now I'll leave because there's no one coming to get me back, men have to do these numbers, so what I find is that women often say I just want the water buffalo, go get it, wait a minute, do you understand that that's a different risk and that's why I want it right and I mean, and I've had water buffaloes before you, kind of punk, why can't you get pedusi water buffaloes?

It's like what wait, wait, wait, you were eating berries at your house. I can bring you rabbit, which is better than berries. rabbits and berries can be pretty good tricks it's for kids but this but you want me to go get this and you want me to go boss you want me to go get this why to show you what and when I do that and if I miss are you going to help me to come back to help nurse me back to health? No, you'll eat those berries and go find someone else to go with.

No and that's what they tell these men. I want to do fraud to do what get you fifty thousand dollars to do what just because I need it for what but it's because you've had this, you know, and I hate using hip-hop and stuff as a culprit because we I've made a lot from hip-hop , but you know there's been a shift in the market from the message to watches and cars and this and that, but the average person used to understand that not everyone had an AP watch, that's a house you were good at. with your seiko 105 that's 300.00 exactly and you know and you were good with it you didn't think because I didn't have this I'm less than a man because I don't have this watch no, you're still a man and men understand that I don't look down on you because I have a rolex, you have a G-shock, but when women start making the distinction saying you're a better man because you have this, then you start because men will do whatever it takes. to get women but now men are starting to reject that saying look I'm done if this is what it takes if the only man you're dealing with is here and then even those guys uh what was that?

What was the actor's name? weakening Johnny, you know, even those guys, you have guys who are supposed to be the ultimate alpha male, they have everything else and they're staying, why can't they keep them? It happened before where the guys chose to just say no the game is rigged I'm going to drop the ball and I'm going to go here now you have a lot of adult entertainment online now uh you have uh yeah man you gotta meet that man. Yeah, I used to keep the frat porn collection, so you gotta, you gotta, I'm there, he's in porn, it's important, it's cool, super explicit, hey man, we make a lot of money just from friends that my friends come. and the thing is you have more access and this is the thing in the past, it used to be kind of taboo for guys to go to escorts and they openly promote me.

I took a companion to a company function, she really helped me. career wow I went to a company function unless someone else recognizes her hey no no no that's what happened bro oh okay I went to a company function. I hired one of the best escorts in Dallas to go to a company function. work with me because you don't want to go to these things alone and I heard this is a good idea so I hired her like a lot of pretty women things and I wasn't rich and I took her and I mean I'm at the company where in the executive bathroom because they had the functions, all the bathrooms are open so those normal little peons could use it, so I said, "Well, shut up, I go there, a guy comes out of the stall and all he says is that he comes by and washes his hands, that Kelly is an amazing girl and she leaves and I say, "Hey, he was vice president of marketing." Three weeks later, I get a call, Mr.

Johnson would like to see you in his office and I'm sitting there, Mr. Johnson, we're just. talking about the weather and jeans and this, nothing at all, nothing, it was like a benign talk over a water cooler. Three weeks or four weeks later, I started receiving premium accounts my managers started talking to me completely differently. , they started inviting me to, you know, come to the house for dinner. I didn't know I had an advocate and it turns out that three to six months later I got into the management program and what. What ended up happening is I went and played golf with these guys and wrestling, and he was there and I asked him, are you like my secret benefactor or something?

He's like he's a regular customer of the girl I took there. He's like anyone who's had enough. He hasIt makes no sense to bring him someone I need to keep an eye on because she's one of the most low-key people he's been seeing for years and he says I know how much it costs so that tells me you're not stupid and she's not like him. I just needed to see who you were and it's like me and I had researched you and done my work on you and he was like a real life benefactor so what he taught me was that there's a different level of power moves and we've stigmatized those things to the point that you shouldn't do that, but hell, if you open a door, open a door now, nowadays, you know, escort porn that kind of thing no one bats an eye anymore, yeah, now the sex, now women don't do it. have the monopoly and block it like before, I guess some take out the trash, no, I'll go to eros and call 300, I'll call four, okay, I'll take a right amount while I have to complain and dine and woo you just so you can possibly give me some sex with starfish.

I'll just break you with this advance and I'll be good to cash out, that's what they call it nine days and I'm realistic about it. I'm realistic that even I see myself as an image consultant and a dating expert or whatever they call me now, you're not supposed to talk about this. I think this is real, this is real life when I was in the company. sales I didn't play golf well, so I'm like most of the guys who did business on the golf course. I did my business in the strip clubs Monday through Saturday. I was in strip clubs.

I'm the guy I was at the premium strip club. I get along very well with them, I got VIP on Valentine's Day, New Year's Day and Halloween. They're like you have NFL and NBA players trying to get in, no he can't get in, it's for so and so, and that puts you in a completely different world. of power and I'm floating around saying how all these people move around just taking notes, but I'm still just one of these guys where I can be places and use that and try to give guys this fundamental knowledge that look, man, no They're different from us, they just make different decisions, so it sounds like you had a real hunger to figure out the game and network to get to the position you want.

I wanted to be in for the long haul and really understand the entirety of how rich and powerful people move and you were willing to put in the time at a sacrifice when I was going to the men's club in dallas uh men's club in the hostel when I'm going to get in there Seeing guys I wouldn't normally be able to talk to. In fact, I'll tell you a secret. Tell your story. When I saw how much business was being done in these places, let's just say I'm trying to do it. business with you and we get to a point where you're like you don't return my phone calls or whatever we did the sale is dead I'm actually new girls who work at lunchtime they tend to be the scammers which they tend to be. the ones who go about their business because the boats are shorter and I say, okay, come with me, I know we're not going to do business, but come, let's go to the hostel, they had a great time. great lunch ribs all kinds of stuff something fun who's going to turn down that free tna free more ribs and crab so we're sitting there and you're sitting there and suddenly here comes darion and darian says oh this is your friend any friend of kevin's is my friend and she rubs your head and i love you kevin is a wonderful guy so and so blah blah blah next thing you know you signed a contract wow no sex no nothing everything is correct and i.

I gave him 10 of the face value of the contract and that reached other dancers. It's like if you work with Kevin and you close a deal, you get money, so I found that I started closing more deals in these places because everyone is into golf. Of course, everyone is here, but what man doesn't want to be surrounded by beautiful women? How do you avoid getting lost in the sauce at times like that in your life? How not? I see my friend, he might be networking at the club a little. a little bit, but she's also having too many cocktails and, you know, what's not cool and stuff, and you see that you can, and that's the first thing you know, when you really understand that world, it's a fast world, you know, those girls understand the best of all is the sweets and get the best of all the deals, don't participate right, don't participate and uh I would say don't shoot where you eat, but there are too many hot pieces.

I asked him not to do that, but, but, you have. To be one you just have to pick your shots man I only deal with people who have something to lose I don't care how tough you are so some of the women will smoke but I'm looking for women who own properties that really dance and don't They are screwing all the customers because when it goes left, as always happens, you don't meet, this is also before the explosion of social media, so keep it up, keep it up because look man, that was a profession in the book for a reason and I just agree to see I'm a realist I accept that we are human animals and there and what if as long as it's legal I'm fine and what happens between two consenting adults in my presence at the end of the day What never happened was someone I did with business, whether they signed the contract here or in my office, it always worked for them, helped them achieve the goals they wanted, improved their results, never with anyone, I mean, I wish I had done it.

I didn't do it this man, no it was a good result so means may vary but you got a good deal I got a good deal everyone wins some people would say well that's immoral okay a lot of times , when I see you talking to women, they then corner them so they realize how deluded they are and then they try to turn the tables on you and say, well, are you married? a high value woman supposedly supposedly and you're out of town um what's up with your own personal relationship mindset right now? Well, when that happens, it's what I call sign language, shame, insults, guilt and the need to be right, that's the typical playbook for many women. when cornered, shame insults guilt and the need to be right, so that's a deflection, well, are you married?

No, I've been married twice, so I can't take the advice of a divorced man. Okay, so what you're telling me is if I've been married for 30 years to a woman, listen to me, then no, because all you know is making a woman, what you're really saying is that you don't like what I say, any old excuse would do for me now. In fact, I've been to the singles church ministries I've been to. I don't speak as someone who has a lot of experience because I do, and I asked the fundamental question: How does being married or divorced change your life? two four and that's really the problem because people don't want to deal with the argument that they wanted to deal with the person, an ad hominem attack and if you've ever debated before, the first person to get personal in a real debate loses So I have experience in sales and have always had an interest in philosophy and debate.

It's a debate tactic so you learn to stay cool and calm when they interrogate you and shoot you, and understand when they hit you with their biggest punch. That's all. They're going to hit the big bomb, they're going to hit you with it and you just respond directly. Yes, this is my thing in terms of personal life. Some people want to get married. Some people want open relationships. Some people just want to do their own thing. What you know is that I have a friend who is a self-proclaimed hedonist and he never wants to get married, have kids, I don't judge, I don't judge a person's outcome, I don't judge what he wants, I just say, okay, what do you want?

Make the kind of people you want and then what are you willing to do to get it? Those are the only three things. What do you want? What is the type of people you want? What are you willing to achieve? and if you know it. What you want if you don't know what the people you love want and you don't know it, you're not going to get it if you know what the people you love want and you're not willing to do to get it. They're not going to get it, so knowing what they want is the easy part for these two and this is where friction tends to arise because they don't know or aren't willing to do to get it, but let's be honest, most women .

I know men don't want women who weigh more than they weigh, so when I say, hey, you know the dress size, this or that, oh how can he do that, judge so and so, I'm like, uh , miss america, miss university universe cover, I mean before, before the trial break, but anyway we understand that there is a subjective beauty, there is also an objective standard and I just don't act like these things don't matter because they don't you could put what the type was in how. it's Beetlejuice on the cover of uh gq calling him the sexist man of the year right, that wouldn't work, we'd chuckle, but we try to feed men that crap and I say men don't want to eat that mm-hmm definitely?

Are you worried that, in terms of your future, you may fall victim to the same problem we frequently describe on your show, where you're suddenly reaching a different level in your career? There are more and more women approaching you. For you, how are you going to finally decide on one if you are constantly inundated with more and more women approaching you who are more and more valuable every day? Yes, this is the problem and half a spark, this is the issue. um, I've already gone over my entire face um, I don't have a wish list anymore um, there will always be a hotter, sexier woman, you know, that's great, but I'd rather have someone that I can be myself with. they understand who I am and they can match my irregular flow and let me do what I do which has a value in itself that ultimately comes from a relationship between a man and a woman where they understand each other and that is more valuable than power from the state of money or hottest tna or new vagina, you know what I never expected but really realized in the last few months or years is that there is no better turn on than being in a business with your girl and making money together and of course done, making something for yourselves together, I was my whole life without having any idea what that would have felt like and then in the last few years, you really now have a real partnership, you know, and once you can build something together, without mention the child, because then, suddenly, I have this expensive, unpaid business that you are starting together and that is immensely rewarding.

I mean, that'll really bring you together and make you think on the same wavelength, you know. See one of the questions I asked at the beginning of 2020. a question to a blackmail audience I said: what do my upper middle class, non-black, upper middle class and lower upper class men know and understand about marriage in the current environment? They get married, divorced and remarried. What do they know and understand about the institution of marriage? Lower, upper, lower, upper, upper class black men don't do it because the marriage rates are very different and one thing that I noticed in corporate America is that as a young black professional, young, young black woman, uh , young black women, over the summer, my counterparts were all pulling out all the stops. white women didn't go to weddings being bridesmaids and we all went to the club, so it was like everyone else got married, but then you realize that you can work hard, you can be good, but there is a level where everyone above is married or has been married, there is a limit to marriage because, um, men are successful, I mean, think about it, it's hard to sit in a room full of successful ex-marrieds, me to talk about family of the wife, this and that, and you are a single man. you have a different motivation, a different calculation and being on both sides I understand that and I talk about it because if you look at our divorce rate, which is more than 50 percent correct, the divorce rate drops to about 20 percent , above a family income of 250,000 wow, the more money, the more people can get to stay together because it's more than just sex, it's about legacy and the best thing is that your best assistant is your spouse, whether they are directly involved in the business or, like many high-value men, their wives will come to work for the business.

She will be the office manager. You know, she'll take care of all the details like I hate details. So my next ex-wife is a joke, but the next one would be good at doing all those things. me because that means if we don't have to outsource it, I have one less main payroll account, that's more money for the family to invest back into the business instead of continuing to hire employees, etc., and that's what I noticed. When I started really studying success, you look at millionaires and billionaires and you rarely see lifelong singles, they're usually married and I say, well, and people used to say, well, men's marriage is a bad thing. business and you already know Jeff Bezos or something like that.

Basos isn't saying that Jeff Bezos, yes, lost half of his money, but guess what doubled his money after the pandemic? He's not sweating. That's something I noticed: the men who had the money for the most part weren't. complaining about losing half the things, it was men who plannedtheir middle class sensibilities on rich people. I say you can't do that, that's a different calculation, yeah, and when you're up there you need someone you can trust because The person most likely to kill you is the person sleeping next to you, so if you study a minute of power, there was a show on HBO that only lasted a couple of years, Marco Polo, and the character played Kublai Khan.

Kublai Khan. If you know anything about Genghis Khan, one in six of us carry his DNA, he got it right, but Kublai Khan, Kublai Khan, was his grandson and the guy who played um, the opposite of Doctor Strange, the Asian character he played. , Kublai Khan, studies his consorts. but study your number one wife, that woman over there is the kind of woman that high value men would kill for because her main motivation was to make sure that he was great and his greatness benefited her and by extension, benefited to your child and, by extension, will benefit your child.

The whole Mongolian nation, right, has always been like that with us, definitely, how do you feel personally? How much faith do you personally have in interracial relationships? Do you feel like there's a big divide with many of the people you talk to? because that's something that I feel like I don't hear a lot on your show when you talk to ladies is that there doesn't seem to be much overlap that they're mostly dating within their circles. You feel like there's something inherently unlikely to work between interracial relationships. What I can see in the data is that more than 80 percent of people date within their group.

I have personally come out with everything I say. Be the best version of yourself and choose. of the best you have available, because at the end of the day we are all human, but most people want their group to be the right one, see what I think the disconnect arises when you feel like you have to choose between lesser options, but that It is a function of you as you say if you become the best option or you become the best version of yourself and you can say and know not what you want but knowing what you need, that is the difference, knowing what you need and then choosing That and not the results.

In the short term, that's the relationship, I mean, think about you and your best friend, you all want to kill each other, sometimes you know. The guy won't kill you all the time, but let someone be with him, oh yeah, you know I'm going, that's all, but I mean, let me play, that's all and that's what we have, that as men, men also want that with women and women. I want that with men and the thing is that person may look different from a desire versus need standpoint and I actually talk about that and if you look at what she did with uh, the thing came up with Tommy Lee, she said, you know I really want that I just want to trust I'm like I get it I get it and more women are likely to get what they need if they're willing to be vulnerable and risk saying that because what they've been I was told that all the men here don't care. nothing happens with rent bills, bills, bills, etc., and women today, in my opinion, don't really know modern men, they know the caricature, they know the character of men.

Like, well I mean the icon of men, now what you need to do is understand that if you really understood that they also have needs and desires, it will be much easier for you to let your guard down and risk being in a relationship. because it's always a risk, i saw a video of you discussing this kind of instagram live that tommy loren did and for those who don't know tommy lane, some kind of conservative commentator and all that, and i had heard about the video because i was vaguely aware When it went viral in the early days, basically a bunch of people jumped on it and tried to act like what she was saying was crazy.

I actually saw the video in the context of you reviewing it and I mean what she was saying was incredibly common and obvious, she was basically saying that if you're a guy and you want to be with me or any of my friends that apparently they also have good things going for them and they are accomplishing something, don't do this, this and this. because these are things that are going to make me not take you seriously and as a person who is now in a relationship I hear her talk, I mean, of course, if I were a guy and I wanted to get this girl, you are.

You won't want to do anything disrespectful to her, you won't make it clear that you're just trying to hang out with her at two in the morning because you just got home from the bar, etc., and you'll somehow regret it. I thought you were going for that somehow, this is considered controversial and I'm looking at you like explaining that essentially this is pretty standard good advice if you want to be successful in your love life, yeah, and look, we've done it like this. very complicated and in some ways this is also political, it is complicated, I mean, we have complicated it too much and I see that one of the beauties of my program is that I recognize the individuals and women want, I mean hypergamy, no, yes, you want the high value man, you want a man who can protect, providing whatever comes, that's what you want, it's nature, I accept it and men are visual, we have it very complicated, so I go back to something I said a moment ago about my Facebook group.

I know what's unique about that, I just chose between men. I just asked some basic questions. How old are you? Your marital status. Do you want to get married? Do you have any children? And then I went and checked. You know what you know. You work, I don't care where you work, but that's all and among women I choose women who are feminine, beautiful and reasonable. That's all. I'm not a matchmaker. I'm not a demigod of love, but I really believe in human nature. because the image is human nature, I took men and women who were like-minded and did something novel, I put them together in the room and said this is what we are going to do, all the things that are outside, we are not going to do it. bring any of the lewd stuff, you know, this is going to be openly controversial, we're not going to talk about this is a group for men that we're putting together here to work together, you know, talk business and women are all welcome guests , i guess. what women have the opportunity to sit and see me, you and we work together, we talk, we communicate, they come and ask questions.

I thought you should be able to be willing to answer questions because this is a different type of woman who has already admitted. she's feminine and she wants to cooperate and work with a man, she guesses what couples are hanging out left and right there and like you leave people alone and we'll sort ourselves out. It's called assortative mating. Stop leaving people. be, but we've tried to design relationships based on these false standards or standards almost like things that create a narrative that ultimately doesn't make either sign very happy and you leave people alone, what's funny is what really funny is when a woman tells you I know what normally I would never consider the guy like that, but he had already passed this basic litmus test and I had the opportunity to see how he moved and then I like that it's the opposite of Tinder, like when I was on Tinder in the past.

One day I remember really feeling like this doesn't make sense to me because, you know, I'm a guy who goes to the bar and tries to meet girls. I'm a guy who goes to the club and tries to make me grow someone, I'm sitting here looking at this app, it doesn't, it has potentially endless women and it makes me miserable as I swipe looking at them one by one because of the open choice embedded in it and what you're talking about is For example, let's put a couple dozen people or whatever in this group and see what happens if they try to take each other seriously and you're choosing the direct appearance, that's seven, that's seven seconds, it's a very small period of time and I've actually helped guys write proposed profiles and ice and honestly, I'm on these apps because I like to know what's going on on Tinder, uh, what was it before Tinder , Bumble, Bumble is big, that's why it used to be, but Bumble has changed, they've taken. take away the weight and the things they don't want, they want body positivity like this, oh God, but I said okay, but I said okay, okay, you want that, but are you going to take away income growth from men?

Of course, you already know that it wasn't like that. work, um, but I look at, you know, match.com, there's a lot of fish and I'm like I've witnessed these things that I've dated before and it reduces people to swiping left and right, but So what is the success of this? um success comes from just asking some basic questions, you know what the Sadie Hawkins dance is, oh yeah that's what girls ask the guys we miss these days and basically that's what I did with Match , that's what I did on Facebook, I said these. guys are men providers and you are women who want men sadie hawkins and I look up and someone says oh yeah I'm like I said the first week I was in Boston she's Atlanta I flew there I'm fighting there in a relationship 30 days later I'm finding out you know I was going to move out of here and I'm going to go to the doctor I joined your group just because I said I would now I found my my wife my fiancé Who is my wife now?

I'm wondering, well, and the thing is, how can a guy who's an image consultant who's now becoming some kind of relationship guru? How can I do that? And all of you who are in this business. Well, that's where I really am. At this point, why are they matchmakers? Where are your results? Where are these people? Because as an image consultant I want you to come in. I want you to square up and I don't want you to go out and win. I don't want to keep you. on the payroll for life I'm a failure if I said if you need me to dress for every dad thing you know very different on a higher level but you know you see what I'm saying you're supposed to get people where they can go ahead and do something else, but we have a relationship industrial complex as a word that keeps people single and miserable taking off Prozac drinking wine and watching Netflix and quiet movies that do not benefit the end user.

And you mentioned? Japan before and I remember one thing I saw when I went to Japan was realizing you know the guy who was showing us around says this is a building where you can walk in and you can hire a woman to hug you yeah no he's a prostitute, yeah you don't have sex with her, but you stand there and hold her and look deep into her eyes, so they actually managed to market every part of the relationship, so if you're looking for an intimate relationship. hookup here's, you know, 20 bucks an hour, could you look us in the eye, oh there's another side to that, don't think it's the worst, there's something called redness, but here in this country rent a gentleman, you need him Someone install a city fan.

I've got Brad Brad, an Ivy League-educated rugby player with green eyes and a jaw, and he's coming to set it up for you to rent a gentleman. Wow, you can take it out on them with yeah, we have commodified relationships, so this hugging thing was and what you mentioned includes all of that, uh, the sex robot, right, the, the, um, that thing, the production of that ramped up. , because boys are between VR technology and sex robots, women are going to become obsolete. I say no. It's not because at the end of the day, if you rent a gentleman as a woman, he doesn't want to do that and if you pay someone to hug him or look him in the eye, you're paying for the girlfriend or girlfriend and boyfriend experience. , people would just want to get that without paying for it because it's not as satisfying because it's not real, but the fact that we've lost the ability to do real things because we've told everyone that you can have it all.

If people were more humble and more realistic you could probably find someone as enthusiastic as you, it definitely seems like at some point in the future there might be an upcoming kevin

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exposé or analysis and I say this in the sense that I tweeted at one point. I can't wait until the mainstream media finds out about Kevin Samuels and I had at least one feminist journalist like that tweet that made me say oh no, he's already on the radar. They're already thinking about how they're going to take them down good and that's why I said, you know, I never pretend to be perfect, I'm screwed like everyone else, but this stopped being about that viral video that went viral about average. at best I said that stopped being about me when it had about 180,000 views, it got millions, um and that's typical, they would want to attack me why because I'm wrong why because it's not producing results not because it's uncomfortable, but when you start getting more People are coming out more women and saying you know why I used to watch your videos, I didn't like it or I didn't like your tone, I didn't like this, but when I started hearing more, I mentioned this last night. on my show, ladies, they come after you now, now, now, we really can't deal with it, now they're going to say, well, these women over there are the ones that are a problem, but they like the people they're saying that they have youthey have your best interests in mind they are trying to give you a better result or they are just telling you to go back to sleep go back to sleep but don't look there there is nothing here just do your thing I think you rarely find someone who is trying to tell you to give you a different alternative and you mentioned journalists, well I'm suing Ellen Browder again from cosmopolitan journalists is what started this in the first place, Reed subverted when she. talks about how we openly sold delaying marriage, consequently, sex and reproductive choice and told them it's not like these women weren't in New York City or Los Angeles, he said put it in the center of the United States around the world and call her Erica and make and take city landmarks and put things there to make it look real and lie about it if they have to, so if journalists want to attack me, what they're going to do is look at their damn profession and realize Realize that you are the reason for this. it spreads the way the media does, sex in the city, there's the woman who actually lived the sex at sea lifestyle, she said she was actually like sarah jessica parker's character, carrie , I felt miserable, I put all that and I went and I became more like my mother, my grandmother, now I'm happy so yes it's going to come but why is it that the bigger they put a magnifying glass on you, the bigger it is, the more it's going to catch your attention. a lot of people who are very willing to have those conversations with you on camera and clearly something is missing, there is a hole that is not being addressed that you are helping to fill at this point and it is clear that there is a need for it, and look I mean, realistically, women have been able to have this conversation forever, it's just when a man is having this conversation and he's not ashamed of it, it's almost like who you think you are, so you can have a standard. , but if a man has a standard, he is being a misogynist.

I may have a preference but if a man has a preface it's a problem of some kind I'm like you can bully a full human and have full human expression as a woman but if I just say what I like as a woman Man, I'm subhuman so I appreciate that, but you better be able to make sure you have a better alternative because if what I'm saying or what these people are accepting isn't right, what do you have to offer? either just turn it off or it's more like really more likely don't look at that, look at this because it rarely comes from someone who has actually improved numbers from doing better and more traffic, so definitely yes, at the end of the day journalists They're angry because they can't control the narrative and because there are other things out there that are more powerful than what they're selling, well, you know, that's it.

What is this? What is all this? They're trying to break up Facebook and Google and because you've seen so many people in the mainstream media who are upset that you're doing the kind of numbers that you're doing, believe me. I looked at my numbers and I've had a lot of conversations and as you know, you make a video and your numbers are unreal, you're a two and a half hour video and you get a hundred thousand views in 12 hours. and you're getting this kind of screen time that's attention that's convertible and and right now it's just direct conversations this and that they want that kind of attention but here's the question of whether you like it or not Trump is irrelevant Trump understood one thing who understood how to talk to people who felt disaffected if you can't get people to listen to you it's not because we're wrong why do they listen to us if you were right we should have to fight you for the audience instead of them coming to us so no. make us the enemy because you can't do your job better hmm that's very true, my last question, where does Kevin Samuels take him from here?

A lot of people could imagine you or the TV show could imagine you doing whatever, but again, the power of social media is crazy, how do you see the next two years of your life? My goal now is to use my platform to help people get what they want. I have something called prize and catch, so it's almost like the average person's bachelor and bachelorette, you meet you and your single professional woman and you use my platform and you say here's Brenda, she's a 27 year old accountant from Minneapolis and

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er and you give him attention during that two week period and then Do the same with a guy um and then I'm also profiling a healthy one, excuse me, one married couple a month, a normal man, this is what it is, Rob and Heather, they're married and they don't know, taking it and showing what productive things look like, um, using your platform to help people get what they want, I'll get what I want, you know, garyvee, gary vaynerchuk, a salute to garyvee, okay, jab, jab, right hook, hit it, hit it, then ask, always deliver, always deliver value.

Anyone who knows me works like crazy and I'm always trying to help someone get what they want. I will be. I will get what I want little by little. Ultimately, I would like to connect people. You know, if I'm in front. off camera on a TV show or something, that's cool, that has a life that has a period of time, but at the end of the day, clarence avon, the black godfather, i'd rather be behind the scenes connecting people because I really believe that life is about people and if you help people get what they want, they will help you get what you want and more importantly they will protect you when people come looking for you because they say: wait a minute, you know what.

At least they'll give you the benefit of the doubt if they feel like you're doing something if they keep it all about you and it's my money my goal my this my no one likes that guy definitely yeah I mean I see. You as someone I always talk to, like YouTube creators or people who want to start something, I always say you just have to be able to be an expert on what's going on and then find the holes, figure out what's missing and what's needed. and the amazing thing about your content so far is that not only did you find something necessary on youtube, but you found something that is missing in many people's heads, like a percentage of their brain that needs to be filled with information. about how to be happy in life, so I'm very amazed by what you've created and I'm really looking forward to seeing where it goes in the future, I am too, you know, it's quite amazing, there are riches and there are niches, but there are always There will be something to help people get better results and then you know as an only child, you know I used to want my brothers and sisters to play with them, they never had that, uh, I didn't, um, I'm very motivated, I want to do it. leave something behind, a legacy and if anyone can say you know what I'm better off for listening to that video or knowing this or knowing that, I think that's the life we'll live, I have one more too, for sure, I recently discovered you.

I had stage three cancer, right, yeah, that made me look at things even more. I'm like a man, maybe he gets to the point now, like I don't care about pleasing anyone. I'll tell you how well he is when he was 21 years old. I was diagnosed with stage three Hodgkin lymphoma and while everyone else was about to graduate from golf college and live life, I'm looking at my own mortality so I always knew, although this has one of the cure rates higher. I always knew we're all on borrowed time, everything on borrowed time, so I'm like, yeah, through Hookah Crook I want to be the best at what I do to try to make the most of this.

The life we ​​have because it hasn't been promised to us, so it's not to make us rich or whatever. I really want to have a life worth living, so it's actually a good question, an interesting answer just because that's the way it is. What you wish you could give to a lot of young people is how do I convince you even if you're 21 and having a good time, how do I convince you to take your life a little bit? It's more serious when I see the potential and it's interesting that it took something as extreme as that to make you see how serious your life was even when you were young and that whole thing about what he did wasn't average, what really made it stick .

I was dying alone and that came from kota koshi because you were there, you heard them talk about it and we have been and a lot of women have said I never saw it that way, but this is where my aunt or such and- So it's like not change this I'm not going to have anyone around me and that means when I leave I'll be doing it alone and that might scare some people but if that's what it took for you to do something different then you definitely have to have a little bit of scared so here we go well said kevin samuels we'll see what happens with this one i feel that way in this episode i feel like we just changed some lives there are definitely people watching this who are going to live their lives differently after seeing that and that's a very feeling well yeah, and you know they like to tell the journalist the following, this is what I've always said, this is not about me and when you make it bigger than yourself and you're really trying to help other people, man, always It's going to work that everyone has dirt, everyone has problems, but when you see people saying, when I look up and see a woman, she said I called your show and you gave me something. advice she didn't want to hear but she started, she germinated a seed and I followed your advice and now I'm engaged, I'm like, huh, she sends me a tape of her fiancé proposing to her in Aruba and I remember.

The phone call I had was as if that were the genesis of all this, that is a great man because from there a family was going to be formed that would not have been formed or when a woman called me and told me that my husband wanted that I would look at. I didn't like this, but now my current generations and my future generations owe them our gratitude. That's one of the few times I've talked, so I'm like, wow, like I can really change, well, I'm serious. It's just that that's the middle that's the middle of America anyone can make a change if they're willing to say something that can help someone get what they want so guys it's been great I think this is the dumb kevin samuels, i think he was a big fan and we've definitely had an impact on both of us stay here okay kevin samuels no jumper the coolest podcast in the world check us out on youtube soundcloud itunes you guys aren't idiots you can find them on the internet everywhere. youtube, okay, not jumper.com, if you want to support and thank you so much for your time, I mean, I really appreciate it, thanks guys, check out his channel, check out his channel, subscribe, appreciate everyone, bars, lots of love.