Rio: Rashford Worry, Sir Alex & Liverpool Rivalry | Stick to Football Episode 25

to listen to you they make sure to reinforce that area, especially for the game at the weekend, but what you said before about um or was it what you said, Jame, there is no fear, maybe from the point of view of the coach and the players . Looking up, I remember when I came to United. I used to laugh and giggle a little when I heard things like Giggsy or Becks go got. I'm on that side of the field or even you, I'm on that side of the field. What are you talking about, on the manager's side, I'm on his side, shut up, he's with me the whole game and at some point he rolls under your foot and turns off by himself due to lack of conversation time, he doesn't even believe that they are like that.

I've won five, six Premier Leagues, Champions League, etc., guys with successful experience and they feel a bit like themselves having to come on at half-time after being on that side of the pitch, but I don't feel that fear or a little fear maybe even respect maybe for the coach at this moment not the respect will be strong, but the fear factor to say I need certain elements that are non-negotiable, fundamentals of being a

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er, working hard, body language, etc., that doesn't seem to happen. To me, do you think there's an element of panic right now? Because I remember the Brenford game was against Martinez, come on, and he, right outside the foot, just hit the ball to Harry MaGuire and I said, Why are you doing that right now?

At the time it was like a bit of a build-up game and I feel like when I watch United's Maguire against England when he's in the shops I think he looks a lot calmer at times and as a centre-half that played a big difference who you played with . Yes, I think there is definitely comfort in your familiarity with a player who always sees the same person by his side and they have played together for quite some time, Stones and Maguire, but I think the environment in England is different, it's more. stable and calm environment where everyone has accepted the United environment still like they don't know where it's going, they don't know which direction they're going, so I don't think it's a CO that's going to go cold, right?

I don't think it's a coincidence that Kobby May matched that game with those around him because he obviously has people talking to him. He looked at who that was, sorry, Kobby May, England's man of the match. game, he, it was rice, I could hear it behind him, Rio, you mentioned body language and I've thought about this a lot the last few days and it was the topic of conversation after the game Saturday night after the Brenford game, Marcus Rashford. I don't know how to say this but for me there is something that is not right, he is not right and it is not just a case, if he is not playing

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well he does not look happy and I look at him thinking that actually I am. .

I'm worried about him and I don't know if when you look at him you see a player and think there's actually something there. We know there have obviously been a couple of incidents this season. We know he's under a bit of pressure. His form is bad. We know that, but I look at him and I think it's not right for me to really

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about him at the moment because he's not a lad who grew up with the spirit and the freedom of playing for United as a kid, that's something that is? do you feel the same?

You have that feeling of

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ing about him instead of thinking why he doesn't do this or why he doesn't do that. I'm over that me now it feels like a genuinely different place. I think it's a pivotal moment in his career now I think he's not a kid anymore, I mean I think a lot of people look at our potential talent and 26, what were you doing at 26, what do I mean, but we all keep making mistakes. mistakes. Get me wrong, but on the football field you had him locked in, you knew what you were doing, you knew who you were, you knew who you were, type of thing, but I think there is a big decision to make with him on his part, I think.

He has to look at who is around him. I know his family played a big role with him, which is great, but who are the outside people around him? Are they the right people? Are you allowed to make excuses behind closed doors? Or is he or they saying, listen, look at yourself, yeah, and be responsible for what you're doing and who you are right now? How are we going to get through this? It's just an excuse. The environment in which he finds himself needs to look. that and owning that and I think making great decisions. I think even when I left the left bands it's different, but I left the bands.

He could have gone to Chelsea and that's probably a club I probably preferred to go to at the time, but the reason I left. Going to potential clients was because he was out of London and the outside people around me that he needed to get me away from, he might need to be in that situation and go, you know what? I'll get rid of him and stay in Manchester or myself. I have to leave Manchester and get rid of those people. It may not just be an accumulation of different things, but that could be a big part of it because the people around you have a big influence on how you are.

It's definitely especially responsibility, how good do you think it is now? I think it's reckless, probably in the last four or five years, Fernandez has probably been seen as the United players have. I mean how good do you think he is because when people say he's out of shape or he should be doing this, he should be doing that, he's Salah son har level and that kind of stuff, I actually don't think so. I think it's just that I've always said that I think it's just a level below that, so sometimes I think expectations are what they are for their teams.

I'm not too sure he's at that level, to be honest, I think he's shown moments where you talk about those teams and the structure. behind those teams to help those players as well, so you think that if he was in a better situation, going back to point R, if he moved to a team that had a better structure, better organization, whatever you think he would be in that level just because of the ability that we've seen and we've seen him shine and not just on the Premier League stage but on the world stage, we've also seen him play well in the World Cup and I think you know he's someone who He's had it good. moments and he has had bad moments and what you need is consistency with your team that can make you continue to play consistently.

I think when we talk about body language and everything, it can get dangerous because no one in the united man to me is like that. he's playing particularly well, he's getting more, he's getting more for some reason, maybe like when you're talking about not long ago coming from the area and he should be doing more, yeah, I get all that, but he's getting more, but I think a lot of that. This is due to the fact that he's not in a great structure of how he played, he got through that whole game at that time when he had the injury and he was still playing through the injury, all those things that he's gone through a lot to get to. where is it.

It's now and it's still inconsistent and I think it has something to do with the way they play and he doesn't play in the system I was growing him in the system but when you're the biggest player you're the biggest star the light . he shines brightly and in the moments where it's not going well, you're the guy who takes all kinds of hits and it's unfortunate for him, but when you talk about whether he's at that level, I think it shows the moments where you go. Damn, he takes your breath away with some of the things he does, he just doesn't do it enough and I agree, I don't know if it's the team he needs and the structure.

I think we all needed a The team around us is to be the players that we become and he hasn't had a consistent team around him or the consistency of the coaches there, but I think you just put skill aside and just you look at the fun basics of his game. What is he good at? He is excellent running behind as a defender. I wouldn't like to play against him. He would give you nightmares because he can run after you. He is so fast. His timing is brilliant. He can do it too, but he doesn't do it either.

He's not running behind as much as he should or he's disappointed because the ball isn't coming and he keeps running behind, it's not coming and I don't know what he needs to work on, I mean you're a Right Forward, what would you do in those situations where you're going go for you but the thing is with me and the way I played up front I was in the center waiting for things to develop, he's on the left waiting for things to happen and when? sometimes the ball comes to him, maybe after a while he hasn't had it and he's trying to take on people and you lose the ball in those situations, whereas sometimes, playing through the middle, you can run and get a shot , you leave it, you go in, you get, you're involved in the game all the time, you're building up in the game and when you watch, you watch Rashford some of the times he's not in the game.

What I like most about him is that he has had good seasons and not good seasons. Listen, we've all been there as players, but you said before that he didn't have that team and that structure behind him and I understand that, but I played it. The Liverpool team, which was never the best, a team fighting to be in the top four, that's what Man United has probably been in the last seven or eight years, and Stevie was that figure, so I've seen Rashford as the main figure. man you know he shines bright on him. I'd like more from him, not just saying he has to score every week, but taking on that kind of mantle of like he's going to run everywhere.

I'm, you're almost, you're. looking for excuses and I go back to Tottenham, you are talking about other teams that have structure. Totten has been a basket case for a long time. You know, different coaches, different styles of play. Harry Kane is always there. The son is always there. What you, me, just the structure. around him the team around him do you think he is a man? the way his ability do you think in a structured team he would play better? There is no doubt about his ability. Absolutely all of us have made it clear that he is outstanding, but there is something to overlook. with him you look and we have had these conversations every few months, a player can have a bad moment or a fall, but I just look at him, I almost see him, because he certainly won't join his football, no Roy I I I we V al football, but actually before, when I was talking and I said, I'm worried about him, you were nodding.

I'm worried about me. Beyond that, yeah, I'm not, I would say I'm worried about him, but you look at the point, see, there's something I missed, there's something. They continue with this child, they talk about the people around him, would it be the family or the manager you talk to about Fergus and you like to shout who is on his case every day, yes, who has given him does nothing wrong to the Old fashioned, kick your ass and go, come on? We need more from you when the team is not added, if you want to be this leader and you have big contracts, then there is that responsibility that he still needs, that he needs that to happen if there is no one around for it to happen, but I don't think that is happening, I don't think there is anyone on his case but that doesn't mean he can't still produce and start running a little more, he's been at the club for a long time since he was The pressure from the kids affects the body language of different players. , you get to the point, but sometimes you have to grab a player and go, nothing changes about the experience.

Experienced players in a team that has a lot of experience around them. you say you look at Varan's experience Look at Varane's experience, it's not that he doesn't expect it more from Varan, but like Maguire, yes, but he has experience, right? You asked if there are experienced players around him, there are international players around him, players older than him. I don't have respect for the players, I think he does, but he has experience around him, experience around him, but you have to respect the experience around you because look ar ar ar McGuire and what AR McGuire is going through, yeah, you would like that think, arry.

You can get over that and try to help a young player, but the man has his own problems and if that was the case he would surely be helping Mar, but the other players, boy, you won the World Cup, boy, you won European cups. they take over, shouldn't Rashford be helping? What I'm saying is Rashford is the main one at 26, he's not young, you know really what I hear what Gary says and there's a deep concern for him because he likes his form and he likes it. People talk about what he's like on the field and everything, any fries, they're not really fries, they're rice.

CH, why do we have the same conversation every few times? I saw him do an interview the other day talking about why they're talking about me off the field, about this, why all that is part of it, why it has to be part of it, why everyone is buying the team and buy the cars and do the things and do and he is the one who is more than anyone, especially who gets hit, do you think you should be? I don't know, getting caught like you're dating and anything else, wouldn't you be a little bit more?

Be careful, well, when you go out, you try to be careful, things happen, but if all eyes, if all eyes are on you, you know there's something heated up right now, you know what I mean? I think why you are missing. I imagine what it's like to be united when the boss is gone. This has been talked about for I don't know how long.time. She 10 10 11 years ago. We were there from the beginning, when he obviously went from being some kind of boss, Le, to this new era where there's been a fight and it got difficult pretty quickly and obviously you were still there.

Man vidit was still there. I think Patrice was still, uh. um, Michael Carrick was still, right, Gigsy was still, uh, you think about the five or six players in that locker room, what changed, what, what was it that suddenly went from being a title winner to feeling because obviously you were a title winner. you know between all of you they won dozens of them what happened I mean I wasn't there what happened in that dressing room psychologically culturally mentally what happened we were old that was one thing we were old like the guys you mentioned there um no, no I don't know, the word was really he came in and changed a lot of things telling you things and things you weren't used to and yeah I think there are some old wives tales like lies, Little White Lies he said he showed Video of me and my man of that phly with Joka and whoever it didn't happen, no, no, okay, but it was L Scot, you know what it was, it was um, two moments happened, well, two, two moments, probably three, one of the moments I remember following .

The plane after knowing what tours were like when you used to go. I think it was Asia or something. We went with them. Would they be exhausting? Two long weeks, yes, hard work. Time difference. Etc. I remember getting on. the plane on the way home and see the manager slumped in the chair look at this show shed big club this is that's what he said to me well and I thought like I've said this before but like a kit launch at Everton at Goodison on the pitch and no disrespect to K United's world tour, yeah, it's very different, so he quickly realized at the end of this tour and I thought, well, I'd like to think he might have known that before, okay, you leave it. , leave it.

We played that pass against Liverpool and Chelsea and I remember that in training we were preparing to stop Hazard and Catinho and he put a box in the middle of the field or in the area that they play inside, inside, on the left. and the players look at each other as if we really weren't prepared to stop people who never did that at United. I really don't know if you guys remember anything like that. Messi didn't even have a big plan for him. He should have, but it wasn't like it was, it was almost like it was almost like that mentality that you care about us more about yourself and those two games really made me think wow, we're, we're, we're.

We are setting up their mentality almost like a defeat and very different to what a title-winning team was last season, so it was a very big change in mentality and that was one of the things that I think a lot of the players didn't. They were against it. him, but just like it gives you a question mark in your head and that little question mark is a big thing within a team, it reminds me a little bit when Roy Hodson came to Liverpool and that you, David Mo, did a job brilliant in every completely different job at Man United Roy in Liverpool and I always remember that you can't change your way of thinking, it really is difficult and I always remember that.

I think the third or fourth game that season that you played you played at Roundfield I I I I think he just joined Sky and Daniel Sturd scored the winner remember like a header behind and then in the second half I don't know if you were playing in the Rio game, but you pushed Liverpool back and hit the center, but you lost the game and then I always remember Er. In the interview afterwards it was like he was really pleased with the way you played and I remember saying that's the mental thing, that's what Everton would have done if they had come to Anfield, come on, my God, we put them on.

I know we lost but oh we put them on defense we did this I was thinking it doesn't matter how you play in those games even if you play well if they beat you they beat you and that's the end of it, you know what I? I mean, and I thought he would have to get used to that change, as if it wasn't enough to go to a big field and play well if they beat you, and to try to change that mentality, I think it's difficult for a coach, but from a point of view Player perspective, did you feel that any of you felt that the team and the players reduced any percentage?

You feel like there was an element of some kind, there was also a little bit of like, you know, I mean just that edge to your game. I know what I mean, I think we were talking about Marcus, about personal pride in performance and all that, and the effort and work effort that we're all talking about. I think that's something that I don't think really affects your work ethic, but in terms of tactics, when I don't know, have you ever been in a change where you're questioning the coach's tactics in your head, I think it takes away from you. something and the first thing you do if you are not.

So sure and confident in tactics, you look over your shoulder at what we are doing. Yes, it's a big thing and it takes away from your game to be fair, not that it's really devastating because the moment players start. Doing that is a devastating thing for anyone, not just any football team, in any type of environment, because that's where you start to have that spiral of negativity when you start whispering and everyone starts talking and then there are no excuses. , but yes, drainage starts to occur. I think it's a little thing, remember the boss used to do where we used to go on Friday night at the hotel or Saturday morning before a game if he sat at your table you know someone was told he's not playing or that the venue changed, you're outside the team gate, you're going to be in the stands, he said, yeah, I remember, uh, David Mo said, um, I don't know. do that, you're just not playing with whoever.

I won't explain to anyone if you want to come see me, come see me. So obviously there are a lot of things. Was the vibe aggressive about him? What I am, this is what I'm doing and you respect that, but sometimes, if it's a team game and the team beats you everything, it's not just the first 11, you have to take care of the other guys who are on the periphery with the team before the team and he said that's how I'm doing it now and that doesn't affect me because I was playing at the time he first came in, but there are players, Chita, for example, you.

I realized that he's sitting there saying that Ferguson respected me, yeah, he took it as maybe disrespectful and other players that were players on the team can be the same, you know, when you've been with a manager for so long. time. I remember when we changed managers at City and when I look back I had such a close mentality that I wasn't open to change and also at United you've been winning things and then someone comes along. Do you think there was a bit of that too? or were you open to change, you're right J David Moy once told me he said I felt like the stepfather came in trying to instruct the children of the father who was left, I'm sure he said and I thought that's really what I've done.

I've never heard a better analogy, in fact it's a good analogy just because he comes, he was chosen by Sir Alex to come in, he's been given this kind of esteem, so he comes and he wants people to know I'm here, man. this is it and I'm going to do this I'm going to do that you have to see it, look at it from David Moyes' point of view too, this is a huge thing for him, yes, something absolutely huge for him, did Fus come? Although no, not at all, no, there are always those stories from years ago in Liverpool, when Shankley left and still turned up at the training ground.

Was there ever that feeling that he would be around? No I went to see the Gaffer after around Christmas for a coffee he asked to see me just ask him what's going on and I said I wouldn't go we're not winning games at the moment you know what I mean so I could , could you. just say what's on the can, but um, the ga obviously wanted to do well. I mean, the way he spoke to me was like he was devastated by the way things were being planned, so I felt sorry for David Mo. I think anyone who comes.

There is an impossible job after the clock, now yes, you are going to have to do something to maintain that consistency and recharge that team and go again, but do you still expect a group of players even if it is a group of senior players? would give a manager benefit. I know we've had conversations before about different managers coming in and the perception of a manager coming in and what he brings, obviously, Ferguson left and he makes a couple of decisions and the players who were establishing their paths and then it's subc constantly, you're already thinking maybe he's not the one, so what Chan is a coach got when he walks into a building exactly, you're still talking about experienced players not doing well.

We'll have to

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with that, we'll have to

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with the fact that he doesn't tell the players that they're not going to play or whatever, because you're used to obviously new coaches coming in with new ideas, no, no, they . The conversation happened where you go, listen, it's changed now, it's not here anymore, you don't go on with it anymore because you see the body language on the face, well no, but the real players subconscious because that's what we do when people come in , you go. What do you have? What would you bring to the party?

Would it be the coaching staff and if the players, especially a group of players and a coach, just don't win the first few games or don't bring in a couple of players? I think the transfer was a problem. Remember his first summer, David Moyes, he didn't get a couple of players he was looking for and suddenly you almost say yes, of course, it was important. You brought in a player from Everton of all kinds. of perception of a manager coming in and then when you don't have momentum, you know you feel good. The factor towards this manager is a long way back, so you feel it.

I look from the other side. I look from a manager, come on, hey, hopefully. These experienced players will also help me get over the line where I am finding my place even though he is an experienced coach. Also the first thing I said we were old as players, your impact and influence on a team is like that, so there are new young players. Chris Molins, Phil Jones, they're coming in and they're having a bigger impact on the team from a playing perspective. I see your point about the background conversations, but your main conversation and your main work is done in the 90 minutes. so it gets hard not to play gigs as much, you know, I mean Manu, but the staff really was a problem like David.

I know there was a lot of talk and I would never criticize a manager for bringing in all of his own staff, but then it was just talk. I should have followed up with one or two. I'm not saying that would have been the answer as if Mickey fed or one or two more it was that feeding the players a little bit there were a lot of changes. No, I guess I guess the coach said. to me like he said that, he told me um, David Mo advised him to maybe keep one of his staff in Rene or Mick feland and Mick felen, listen.

I called mcf a couple of times when I was there. I have spoken with him. since about it and the manager told me in UNC terms when he told me to shut up he said that is the importance of this man never underestimate him for what he does for me as a manager he allows me to delegate and I let him push and pull hard and I only trained, I only hit him, I hit everything, but he said like that, that's why they would have been there to appease him a little and help him get through.

First, the obstacles that he will encounter, but he chose to follow his own path and again I respect that he said: listen, I'm not listening to you, you're the main man, but I'm going to follow mine. I kind of respected him, but in hindsight, which is great, he probably would have had a little more help, just getting on the plane, I probably wouldn't have seen him looking disheveled like that after the two-week tour because mck felen would . I have taken care of all the logistics, all the medical staff and when you get up, when you go to bed, when you are eating, etc. and the trip ID, give everyone we have PL, the tour, just back up a little bit before that.

The period from 2006 to 2011 is Manchester United's most successful period in the sense that there were four wins, four titles and three Champions League finals and the greatest team of all time is now widely recognized as a team with the that we played twice. In the Champions League final, do you ever look back on those two games and smile now because obviously I was there? I think for both of us in terms of listening to the kind of conversations from the team that I was, you know, I retired in the second one. Still in the locker room, do you look at those things and think that it would have been us?

We would have been the best team of all time if we had beaten Barcelona in those two games. What do you think about those two games? how do you know what we could have done different score what what what that Barcelona team they were too good seriously they were like that that's all like it almost gives me a little like um what's the word where are you going you need one thing out of your mind a little that they were actually as good if we were defeated by the team in and around us as if we should have listened a little more.

They took us awayIt's okay, it's your goal. Can we get mini wolf scrolls? West Ham honestly one one one WR everywhere yes us. I'll go one one one one one West Ham will win West Ham yes Jared got a strong feeling about these games two1 West Ham yes I agree what do you think Roy will say something no no I'll take it I'll take it I'll go with two in West, yes , but wait a minute. I don't know, why do I say that? Did you see the possibilities they lose? Now, are you getting bored of this?

No, honestly, this can be two1 West, you said yes. two don't push people just because you know what you want to do I don't like the way you're moving now brother you're just moving you think 2 think two N Clean sheet yeah no one can get to them can they are very well defended come on with that yes 2 n two yes I agree with that if we can hold on you prefer our scores to yours that's the problem we still don't have a draw sh, we still don't have a draw, that's our problem, you're going to retire, you're going to Aral, brilliant, it's over, so if you tie there, it's over, no, they'll be Lon, then they'll be happy, they'll take the draw down, go, you know, two to zero is a good score, you can't tie, he thinks they'll try, I don't think that's the case, then they're going to win every game, that's what you, that's not the game.

They can tie, I mean, you can do it right away. I don't think that's the game where they can drop points at 3-1, they need them on the bench for when they go all Trafford and I think Arsenal will get two or 31 is this Liverpool1 see you say 31 31 Aral, yeah, although to be fair, yeah I'm not happy, I know this is going to be big, I think so 21 Liverpool, yeah we got it, we won't be on the same page here. Liverpool will win, do you think they will? be bigger than that. I can't watch Man United against Brenford the other day.

In fact, I think that will be the score. I think it will be a tie before, don't copy us. I think it will be a tie capable of passing. one1 one1 in that game we have to win it I know they do. I start with G to release the point. It's not that one. You know what, to be honest, it's against United's bottle jobs. Go to Shepherd. You know he knows something. Stop using these inflammatory quotes. You regret it. all of that is not a moment in time and it's like you say something that you don't expect to get the traction that it gets, you know what I mean, well I don't see anything, it's Pep who comes back to you, I hope so, for Of course he did.

Of course he did, that doesn't mean Pep is right. I know P is right. He absolutely was right, but he was wondering if he looks. I don't think I've ever criticized them or any of the players and then everyone gets a little upset. They're all a little touchy, right? Yeah, what's the score? They never got criticized when we were big, big, big players, we get along, yeah, we move on, it's social media, so do you think these guys are going to get a lot? We have to go. come on thank you very much ST1 Chelsea 31 to Chelsea 3-1 Chelsea I was going to say I was going to say 3-0 let's get to that point where 22 two 22 lead two ones just brilliant thank you that's super six.

I think one of them will be null, I know that the name of the language of your party is no longer there, that it must be left aside, Roy, so that you can enter, don't squeeze me like that, it's rubbing your toes, it's rubbing himself. He also did it on purpose. It's really brilliant. It's really brilliant.