Perspectivas - La verdadera noche de Iguala, con Anabel Hernández - 8/12/16

here in Mexico on the night of the 26th and the early morning of September 27, 2014 the soul sent us that 26th and 27th of the national month in Mexico the day never returned that night that night early in the morning three historical spotlights were turned on, one pointed at the parents and mothers of Ayotzinapa another pointed to where mothers and fathers from Mexico scratch the country looking for missing children and one more pointed and veils an actor who in the best of cases is co-responsible in the worst responsible of the Mexican state tonight we are joined by the journalist

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the true night Anyway, Anabel is with us, once again welcome, delighted to be here with you and thank you, Anabel, tremendous book, tremendous research that you carried out according to what I have been listening to and reading for approximately two years, a little more since the problem with Ayotzinapa began since that 24 September 26 and what are the elements that you consider in your book that shed light on something that was not known in this investigation of Ayotzinapa in these two and a half years when not this, first of all I want to tell you that we have sat down many times in this table to talk about different things and different topics but without a doubt this is the most important investigation in my journalistic career because it involves the journalist because it involves the mother of the family and because it involves the Mexican I wrote this book from a forced exile which The government forced me after many threats and attacks, they practically expelled me from Mexico and now that they expected me to leave and see clear to sunbathe on the beaches of California and really the forced exile opened my eyes in a different way and made me seek the truth in a different way and what I can tell you is that this book is the discovery of a painful truth that has to do with my own personal reality, the reality of 43 students who that night you describe disappeared forever the reality of those parents and the reality of any Mexican who at any moment can become one of the 43 one of the more than 100 brutally tortured by the state to fabricate a story and responsible meals I was left thinking Anabel what is it when I heard you I hear you now The forced exile finally turned out to be very useful because through Bertie's university you can access very valuable documents and part of that, as I understand the result, this book is good, really what helped me about being in Berlin was the financial support, the research is totally mine is not that it's not that the university has done a search for documents or anything but really what helped me is having a moment of peace knowing that my children were safe there at the university they sponsored my research they paid for all the trips photostatic copies that type of thing and what helped me is being able to move the file, which I think was such a good key piece that in November 2015 there was a break-in at my home when I was at the most delicate peak of my life. investigation closing the brooch that involved the Mexican army, there was a break-in to my house where nothing was stolen and it is clear to me that what they were looking for is the file that the file that was in Mexico the file that was in another place totally safe guard has been really in that sense the role the support of the university for me has undoubtedly been crucial including even the editorial supervision that was done to a good part of this research because the university was very rigorous it was very demanding to have evidence of having documents of having testimonies there was even there was and I must say it so that people know what book we are talking about what type of material they have in their hands it is an investigation in which I even report finding my own investigation doubting at every moment of any finding that you would have made the findings are very large and in contrast you found something that you had investigated that not when your investigation is reconfirmed in its entirety there is nothing that has been sparked or including requests for information from the headquarters thinking Maybe I could be interpreting some information, for example, ballistics tests that we can talk about later.

I'm thinking, maybe I'm interpreting things wrong, maybe there's an error, maybe I'm overstating the evidence, taking things for granted, and the truth is that through the answers that the seden gave me little by little without knowing the research exactly what I was looking for with her answers she helped me to ratify many of my hypotheses and turn them into certainties anabel protagonists who are the protagonists of the true night of equality you know me ernesto and what I do I try to really know why I believe that a country like Mexico requires this type of journalism I do accountability journalism if there is no accountability of the actors involved in this type of state abuses that from the unpunished situation it is not enough to say the army it is not enough to say federal government officials it is not enough to say elements of the federal police it is not enough to say name by name who each of those involved in what happened that night is during that night and then throughout these two years and I would tell you that there are three protagonists, four fundamental protagonists in this case, without their intervention and manipulation, this story would not have ended the way it did, with impunity until now, one of them is, of course, Humberto.

Castillejos, the most powerful man in the federal government who has kept a low profile but who everyone calls him vice president or those who rumor that he is even more important than Peña Nieto himself, makes more decisions than Enrique Peña Nieto, he was in charge of to cover up he was in charge of diverting the diversion of the investigation he was in charge of the first dialogues with the parents of the family he is an actor he is the legal advisor of los pinos family member of luis cárdenas palomino was accused of murder of enrique salinas in those At the time of 2005, in Huixquilucan, he was directly involved, even the Attorney General's Office of the State of Mexico was already thinking of issuing a summons and an arrest warrant, and yet suddenly the case stopped and the State of Mexico did not move any further, but his telephone number was there. directly involved in the extortions that Enrique Salinas was suffering from him and from elements of the AFI, so at that time his brother-in-law Luis Cárdenas Palomino worked for him.

This is Humberto Castillejos, a lawyer who, according to people who know him well, is a man of few scruples, his father, the lawyer Castillejos, was shot, leaving his office drug-style not many years ago, a controversial character very close to the president of the republic for several years but who has always handled himself with a very low profile That is what helps him to adopt with impunity and that is why it is important to show what, put his name and say, this man must follow in his footsteps, Humberto Castillejos, the man of great power behind the presidential series, absolutely the author of his relatives like Alfredo Castillo. have become these characters with all power in Michoacán, it is the man who has sponsored his other relative, Mr.

Cervantes, who is the head of the PGR, so he has finished covering up the entire maneuver of the state, he is an important and dangerous man, second protagonist took a long time friend of Humberto Castillejos who takes 0 was until very recently the director of the criminal investigation agency a man who was in charge of not only covering up and manipulating the entire investigation but also the boys taking zero or that is not known and it is in the book the boys your take zero went out tonight to perform in China you agree with your own ministerial statements all of them who were in the PGR delegation in Iguala took to the streets that day and were present in all the attacks against the normalistas, that is, they took not only the judge but also the party, they were investigating themselves, which is absolutely absurd and now it is not explained now, only in this way can the great interest in diverting and manipulating information be explained. a police officer with a history, a man who was from the regime's greece was protected by the police regime of genaro garcía luna luis cárdenas palomino friend of castillejos very close friend of alfredo castle cousin of humberto castillejos so you realize it takes each small mafia families and Everything remains a small family mafia, the state of Mexico, the group from the state of Mexico is key in what happened that night because we have other characters, which is Luis Mier, who was secretary of the government with this Enrique Peña Nieto, who was governor of the state. of Mexico, when the events of Iguala occurred, he was undersecretary of the interior, a man with twice the power of Miguel Ángel Osorio Chong, who made fun of him because, well, the one who moved the centuries, really, I am only the one who put on his face, but really the one who managed The cisen who managed the federal police who had the strength within the governing sect was Luis Enrique Miranda because he has the support of Enrique Peña Nieto Luis Enrique Miranda had also worked with Peña Nieto as I have mentioned and he is a man of his great trust fourth author actor who allows these three and everything else to have happened is the president of the republic enrique peña nothing more and nothing less than talking about institutions in the strongest spotlight the harshest revelation the fundamental actor is the mexican army in your book particularly the 27th infantry detail is like that, like that, I would say that there are two actors, one an important criminal group that has not been investigated by the government that is not mentioned in any line of the more than 180 volumes of ENAP's preliminary investigation into a criminal group that has been based in Guerrero for many years that has absolute power had absolute power at least until that night and of course the Mexican army is on the other hand and we will have to give background to the problem no no dear united is a group of this size, the reds, we are not talking about the big leagues, the richest in the Tico area in Mexico and the United States, but there you are referring to, you are not talking about the eastern groups, the depth of the Mexican criminal army has a drug trafficking group.

It is a linked group that was linked to the Beltrán Leyva for a long time. I purposely withhold its name. Afterwards we can tell you. I can tell you because I purposely withhold the name and I know the name of the field and I reserve it for a journalistic strategy working in research and for the people who are listening why don't you say it because it is still ongoing, this book of course is I would say about three quarters of my research but my research continues really hoping maybe in a naive or ambitious way to really be able to find or know what was the final destination what is the whereabouts of these 43 students there is a part of your text that your book of the true night of the same that we are going to allow reading to enter the army that says the head of the investigation office is instructed to issue instructions to whomever corresponds so that in accordance with articles 13 of the last paragraph of the political constitution of the United Mexican States, the conduct or acts that personnel of the headquarters of the twenty-seventh infantry battalion may have incurred are assessed. based in Iguala Guerrero in the events that occurred on September 26 and 27, 2014 where students from the Raúl Isidro Burgos rural normal school in Ayotzinapa and other civilians were attacked so that if we have sufficient data and elements of evidence, the investigation can be expanded. investigation regarding possible crimes that could be attributed to them, such as cover-up or abuse of authority or any other improper circumstance in the exercise of their functions, this is tremendous and I am not saying it, the chronicler is tremendous and I am not saying it, if the person who says it is who is a fundamental actor, it also seems to me in your book that if you can talk a little about where this text comes from months ago when I was already well a few months ago when I was already concluding my research I had access to two key documents two documents from the pgr two documents from the administration of Mr.

Enrique Peña Nieto are two documents prepared by the general inspectorate of the pgr that so that people understand language better, it is like in the office of internal affairs in the pgr that is in charge of investigating corruption within The pgr of investigating the actions of the public ministries of investigating the attorney himself and the other deputy attorneys is the area that really controls the improper use of power within the pgr and supervises that the pgr's investigations are in accordance with law and are not deviated, this auditor César Alejandro Chávez Chávez Flores and did an internal investigation between one and began in April of this year against Tomás Cero and his principals and his principal public ministries regarding the actions and sowing of evidence in the San River Juan, where the remains of Alexander Mora were supposed to have been found, and according to the conclusions of the internal investigation, the remains would have been planted.

The entire actions of Mr. Tomás Heron were illegal. An arrest warrant is being ordered.and dismissal of several of their public ministries who are mainly responsible for the entire preliminary investigation of the case of lódz and Napa and it is being pointed out that no one can explain how the remains of Alexander Mora arrived in the San Juan River because without any of the facts in cocula they occurred here the big question mr. toma cerón is where did you get the bone of mora's action this reliably proves ernesto that the expert evidence which is the remains of alexander mora actually burned according to this university of austria the expert evidence with which the government intended to close the case is the evidence that incriminates him in an absolutely conclusive way because there is no other way to explain how the federal government or how Mr.

Tomás where he appeared can have the remains of Alexander Mora without anything The events occurred unless he knows where the rest of the remains are. The normalistas are a very important part of the investigation of the investigation. The statement is tremendous and is something made by a prosecutor, not what I am telling you about this incriminating evidence. Cerón's conclusion is a conclusion that I draw from the conclusions that the prosecutor draws from saying that none of what happened in the San Juan River was real, the discovery is a manipulation, we would have to investigate because how those remains got to the San Juan River if it was not from the way they are telling and I draw conclusions because how do they arrive without the facts did not occur because they were taken by who knew where they are because well nothing there is no other way to say it some members of the interdisciplinary group of independent gay experts pointed out that they identified themselves several actors from the attorney general's office or people who did have a real intention that a thorough and honest investigation be carried out, this man César Alejandro Chávez Flores and a group of others because it is not that he did all the investigation but rather a group of more than 9 public ministries that are part of the general inspectorate who really at a given moment is a man with a team who at the most critical moment of things he decided to do the right thing convinced the then attorney arely gómez to do this investigation on the Cerón issue, but in addition to carrying out a general legal audit of all the Ayotzinapa file, which is more than a hundred and so many volumes, the attorney general had reservations and the main argument of the former prosecutor, now former prosecutor, was that if we as pcr you, Madam Attorney General, if we do not clean up this whole mess internally, then we ourselves can be taken to court, to an international court, for trial, the president is going to be brought to trial.

I don't know if this is not resolved internally and if this whole disastrous investigation is not cleaned up internally. and the government of Mexico can be taken to the international court with this argument, the attorney general agrees to this and it is clear to me without informing the president of the republic to his boss of this situation, this opposite clarified that absolutely because due to the conclusion that he had The attitude that Mr. Enrique Peña Nieto took when he found out about the existence of these two documents, which is long that we can practice now, later on is this document, that internal investigation by Toma Cerón that confirms many of the things that he has already been denouncing me.

Since the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, I was the first journalist who said that this heretic Elche and the other bricklayers who had been tortured and taken away accused of supposedly having murdered and burned the normalistas in Cocula, I had spoken with their relatives and from the beginning they wife of the heretic of Agustín García Reyes, she had told me that when the heretic was forced to go to the San Juan River, everything had already been planted and that he alone was forced to act as if he were an actor and several times so that the farc The little act went out of tune, but she repeated it to me several times later with the salt of the video to which she has access, where it is actually seen that there is one that Mr.

Cerón and Agustín take towards Reyes, who appear at the scene before supposedly the discovery. of the remains of Alexander Mora speaks here of a manipulation of evidence because that visit that Toma The events that occurred in the San Juan River, the entire investigation of Casa Cocina Passa y Vapor, is just the historical truth that was completely buried with the shovel of the internal investigation of the person himself, parallel to this, there is a document of more than a thousand and so many Pages that I had access to more than two months ago where they do English, there is one, there is an audit in each of the actions, each of the actions of the PGR in the investigation for its implementation is correct and there the conclusion is a very very large document I will return now to upload it to the internet not because people will have to know it there is a book of the book it will be accompanied by an internet page that we are creating that is under construction where I am going to put a I will give the public access to All these documents that the government wants to keep hidden so that everyone can form their opinion, these documents are impossible to analyze all of them in the book, but that is why we are going to grow the website because in this audit the conclusions are fundamental, I would say 51 in the police. federal ministerial participated was active that night tomás' boys destroy assets tonight and should be investigated and those federal ministerial police should be sanctioned 2 the federal police at least the federal police at least it is determined in this file that at least two federal police officers victor Manuel Colmenares and Emanuel Perez Arispe are directly involved in the events of the disappearance of the students and the prosecutor's office is ordering an investigation into about 14 other federal police officials who were active that night in the same area. including Lisa Antonio Dorantes Macías that the head of the federal police base, in the same way as another of the conclusions is that the PGR manipulated the case, diverted it completely, focused on the issue of the so-called united warriors and neglected all other aspects that they could have truly given a solution to the case and inclusive also refers to the diversion of focusing too much on the garbage dump not particularly what it is in this document it does not refer only to the attention to the issue of cocula but rather it refers in general to the pgr It focused only on a supposed group of united warriors.

It has a lot of illegal detainees. No judge is going to be able to judge it without a central sentence. The vast majority of these supposed united warriors were brutally tortured and the PGR fully received their case and eb and He avoided investigating who he should see and investigating whether another of the conclusions is that Captain José Martínez Crespo be investigated, who is a character that I met and revealed my first report published in December 2014 in the magazine Proceso where I rebel that this Captain that night at the time of the attack had been circulating through the streets of Iguala with a team of 14 at least 14 soldiers, which was later confirmed several months later with Captain Crespo's own statement and the general road visit is ordering that be investigated for alleged links with organized crime, which neither the PGR nor any other area of ​​the PGR has done up to this point, and the fifth conclusion that is fundamental is not only that Captain José Martínez Crespo is being investigated, but that the entire unit of the 27th infantry battalion not only for alleged acts of omission but, as you have read, for cover-up, abuse of authority or anything else that results, which may also involve organized crime and links to drug trafficking before speaking with Omar García I interviewed him for the book of the true night, it was the same as before speaking with him or speaking with any other student who had referred to the presence of the army.

I had access since the beginning of October 2014, that is, just a few days after the made the first ministerial statements of the normalistas to the survivors to those who were on this street in Juan Álvarez and even those who were present before the arrival of Omar García and in those ministerial statements there is a constant presence of the federal police and the In the presence of the army, these statements were made on September 27, 2014, just a few hours after the events. Two years have passed and no authority in this country has investigated either the army or the special police in a purposely malicious manner, the government and the Guerrero's government, the government of the 2nd Governor Ángel Aguirre knew about the participation of the army in the federal police and they diverted their investigation.

The PGR knew about these accusations, which were when with hotels, the ministerial statements, the first thing that comes to mind is good if there are to investigate the municipal police because in fact the normalistas say they shot us, but if they are also talking about the presence of the army and the federal police, then we also had to investigate them. I'm even going to tell you one thing, there is a public ministry, a woman public ministry who, for Of course, with a finger on the shoulder, no more is required immediately on September 28, he orders, based on these decades, three ministerial offices send a letter to the federal police, he sends a letter to the army telling me what caliber the weapons your man was carrying are. staff, give me the weapons to carry out an expert report, connect it elementary, I want, I want your internal security cameras in your facilities, of course, the public ministry, thinking maybe students were taken there and because I was looking for the videos and I was seeing the list of all the personnel who I had been present, I saw an asset that night, the federal police and the army never responded to those requests, they never responded and of course when the investigation changes to a very few days at the beginning of October at the hands of the court and of course the PGR completely abandons that line of investigation but these allegations of the participation of the army and the federal police were from the beginning, so in the investigation the truth of the main focuses from the beginning was precisely the army of the federal police and two gold star trucks that are fundamental to understand what happened that night and now that we are talking about the army we were talking about ballistics you talk about ballistics in your work the evidence is worth the use of weapons that were used we understand and in Mexico it is a common practice that we heard there were weapons for the exclusive use of the army is like a ready-made phrase but here we talk about bullets, this is for those who do not understand the nature of, for those who do not understand the nature of a test that can be as forceful as that, you can talk to them, I am going to describe it as I told you, I had access and that is The mother file, the most important file, I would say from Ayotzinapa, which is the first investigations, the first actions, which is the public ministry of the Guerrero government, there is in Iguala between September 26, 27, 28 and 29.

These four days are key, there are all the fundamental evidence to determine the participation of these authors federal actors that same night he went to the public ministry of Guerrero on Juan N ã Álvarez Street and just as he located the body of Daniel and Julio César and just as he located the three trucks he gradually located Little by little, those who were left at the crime scene are being collected and the first tests are being carried out on the holes, that is, the direct shots that the buses received. I had access to those documents and there was a series of data that I I didn't understand it took me a while to understand I'm sorry I should have done it sooner after this man collected those ballistics tests these fired casings the casings are the part of the cartridge that remains when the bullet has come out and only the base of the bullet remains like peace after of all this report all of this and the buses themselves are taken to another type of examination and there in that examination it is determined what caliber is the bullet that pierced this here is this stage this and this truck were taken for examination the three trucks that were left on Juanes de Álvarez Street and the hornet truck that was left on the Santa Teresa road, which was also brutally attacked.

In these expert reports, it is determined that there are at least 19 shell casings that can only belong to the g3 weapon, which is a regulatory weapon. From NATO, it is a weapon that not even drug traffickers can obtain. It is a weapon that only the elements of the Mexican army of the 27th battalion carried that night. Afterwards, hundreds of casings of the caliber that corresponds to the R-15 were found. Of these hundreds of casings, only 66 belong. to the weapons of the municipal police the same as the others, it is unknown who the federal police were that night they loaded the weapons with the same cartridge of the same caliber as the Iguala police, which is why it is clear to me that the public ministry was ordering the police Federal hand over your weapons to me to carry out an expert examination because they are the same caliber as these cartridges that do not have an owner, we already identified 6 but we are missing the other hundreds of these 19 cartridges in image 3 there was there in the description of the expert and the brand of each cartridge For example, the cartridges that carry municipal advertising are the same as the majority, the Eagle brand, that is, each cartridge has a manufacturer and the initials of each manufacturer are unique in the world.

No manufacturer can have the same initials as others due to an elementary control ofIndeed, when there are these types of incidents, you can identify what things and these cartridges have an fcc fcc mark, which I had not understood until I realized when it says this in these lines corresponds to the g3 and I had already read the ministerial statements of the military where they say we carry we give g3 and where no other corporation carried I started to investigate which spc who is the manufacturer and is the military industry cartridge factory of La Sena I suspicious of my own investigation suspicious of my own investigation and my own findings, I think we have learned there is a lot of news, not that drug traffickers then have access to cartridges for the exclusive use of the army, as you mentioned, this is not common, it is not unusual, this is what I am making a request through the Sedena transparency law, saying that Well, a few years ago in 2014, El Universal published a very extensive report on all types of cartridges and calibers that the military industry cartridge factory was producing and they talked about thousands and thousands and thousands of productions of seven cartridges, referring to that article.

He asked the Sena, well, based on this article, it does not talk about all this production of cartridges, including the cartridges for the G3, and he asked her about this cartridge caliber, which is the one used by the G3. I asked her how many 2000 cartridges they have produced. In 2001 to date, year by year, if anyone can access the cartridges, these cartridges, because Sedena sells cartridges, there is a certain caliber that Sedena sells, Jackson. If you have a license and your gun has a license, you can go buy your PC cartridges. Well, what if any duck hunting fan can do this comparison: the nights of chlorine and 3, tell me how much they are stolen because what happens if a commando of non-super powerful narcos arrives to attack the Sedena facilities to rob a platoon in one in one? squad the cartridges the week answers me I cannot tell you how many I produce because it is national information there is no individual who can have access to these cartridges only we these cartridges are for the exclusive use of the army only elements of the army can use them and three have not been not a single one has been stolen, that is, it is conclusive, it is conclusive and yet the PGR has not done an expert report on this to date on the weapons that the army was carrying on that day and compare them with these shell casings and it could tell you what is more What is even more serious is that at this moment no one knows where those castles are, where those castles are, that Anabel in your investigation, one point of the most crude parts that there is is the issue that the search was actually for the trucks that carried heroin in both buses to be mentioned up to an approximate value of 2 million dollars.

That was the central objective of recovering but there was no primary order to disappear or execute the students, so the information that believes that now speaking of the detained people there have been correct There is data there that I have heard in some other interview and I was reading and the main factors that had all the spotlights, the former municipal president José Luis Ambra and his wife who it is determined that he was tortured by the PGR itself by the PGR itself it is determined and There they do not mention the names of the criminal police officers responsible, these in your books too or that you had an interview with them and you mentioned correcting me if that is not the case, in reality they are not responsible, they are victims, what is where they place the encompasses in?

This framework and I understand that the question is not an easy mistake but it goes look with 81 and investigation like this I focus on the accusation that there is against the person if you are accused of having killed a coyote duck I investigated you if you killed the duck if you killed a goat if you kill an elephant three years ago or if you are going to do it, it is a matter that they are not judging you for, they are judging you that you killed the pact and I, the investigation that I do covers Asia, and his wife accuses them of money laundering and accuse them of supposedly being linked to united warriors and of having been the intellectual authors and having ordered the attack.

The students, I can categorically affirm to you, up to this moment, not even the PGR itself has proven that even one peso or one cent of Mr. It includes her husband but they come from organized crime so much so that none of her businesses take this Plaza Tamarindos with money laundering and many media outlets in the country and many media outlets take it for granted because it is neither insured nor confiscated and it has already been two years because the PGR has not been able to prove that a single peso with which the shopping center is built comes from organized crime.

Their jewelry stores have jewelry stores. Not one bracelet or a gold ring have been confiscated because they come from money of illicit origin. Their properties do not exist. It has been seized or confiscated for this same reason, that is, the money laundering of the PGR itself. It has been able to prove it and with respect to the issue of the students, it is evident that although it was the municipal president and his wife, they were in the middle of a quite contaminated environment that we would have to ask or investigate whether they were colluding or not I have found no collusion the pgr itself has not been able to prove it is no collusion the truth is that he was a minor actor he was an actor of josé luis encompass he was an actor of this size In what happened that night, he had neither the power, I would say, nor the character to have done what he did, even if it was very bad, although he had wanted to kill the students more than a hard night.

He himself pulls the trigger because we are facing a city. It is not in a cave and in the Tarahumara mountains. It is a city where there is a mixed base of operations of the PGR. It is a city where there is a base of operations of state pressure. It is a city where the 7th infantry battalion is. It is a city. where is the base of the federal police of equala and seeing this enormous base of the municipal police of equala as the training, if you compare it with these four, it is not possible, it is not possible, then comes my discovery of what the c4 which is a key element here where one already understands, even based on the government's own secret documents, because there everyone coordinates, not even a finger moves without there being no coordination within the authors who They are all these authorities that I mentioned, therefore the role of José Luis covers that in his and not only that after his wife because his wife has indicated to him that there is supposedly without a doubt this sister of these guys who work with very important operators of the Beltrán Leyva cartel, I have had access to all of their files from these brothers of hers and I would tell you that part of it was part, which gives me a lot of attention that no file prior to Ayotzinapa, she or her husband is linked to the criminal organization in none for example Sergio Villarreal the great and there are many statements about the operations of the Pineda Villa made many statements about the operations of the Beltrán Leyva but he never mentions it never then it appears as something suddenly planted no ok then from your assessment There is a possible implication but they do not have the scope that they give it to be able to coordinate an operation of that nature.

If I want, I would talk about a possible implication, that is, they were there, it is a fact because I would not even talk about a possible implication or it would be think is that no there is no evidence there is no evidence against him regarding the disappearance or murders I have links with organized crime there is a series of a little more than 100 police officers who are detained and you mention Anabel had in your investigation a large majority does not I know how many were tortured and you even mention that some of their wives were raped.

I was able, as I repeat, I had access to this file from the Attorney General's Office of Guerrero of each police officer. Every time the PGR detained a person, this person after the torture, the rest had access to a telephone call and a relative called, I was writing down a long list of all the relatives' telephone numbers and that is how you can find out we owed the testimonies of what these families experienced and it seems to me that they are the other forgotten victims, the media. Journalists have focused on these 43 missing normal students with good reason on their parents, the surviving normal students, but we have forgotten to re-victimize these people who were unjustly detained and brutally tortured and I wanted to give visibility to these victims and I know that it can be something for many. controversial I know that even for some parents of the normalistas with me I started to publish this but how barbaric in the end they realized that because there they came to the conclusions that I that these people had been brutally tortured that everything they had said was not It is absolutely incongruous, no one thing connects with the other and this has no critical validity.

Perhaps the most serious thing is that what I found is that these police officers, at least 22 police officers from Iguala and 22 police officers from Cocula, were detained by the navy and by the federal ministerial police were brutally tortured, the vast majority suffered sexual abuse, men and women as part of the torture, and there were systematic injuries, that is, the same injury that one body had on the other, although there were different corporations that had committed the torture, the account speaks of a school of torture which we should talk about and investigate at another time because the topic of torture in this book is brutal.

It is a topic in which I plan to get involved. I plan to investigate in depth. It is a topic that opens up a vision of Mexico for me. I had not fully understood and now that I understand it horrifies me but it is another topic that we can talk about later and effectively as part of the torture and some of the wives of the detainees were sexually abused or lifted, for example, there is the case of Patricio in reyes landa there is the case of agustín reyes garcía there is the case of this felipe the famous the alleged brush there is the case of this this osorio another of the bricklayers arrested and at least the wife of one of them at least the husband of one of them was raised last January when her husband was making direct communication with me and was sending letters denouncing very serious things regarding Toma Cerón and Mr.

Jesús died who was a prosecutor in this constant in that context this girl was detained and treated in a very violent way There is another actor who appears there with more relevance than many of us could assume, what role does the navy play and in the true night of equality and I am not just referring to your book but an issue of the night of equalization and after that look Ernesto I have been investigating the first one organized as you know, particularly the last 11 years I have seen many files I have seen any type of filth of abuses of human rights violations in these files I have never seen a case like this of equals the abuses committed by the government to create a story and cover up the truths responsible and I have had access to documents from the PGR itself, also because they are not documents, they are not my ideas, they are not even testimonies, they are documents from the PGR itself that list at least 66 officials who are being investigated for having committed another torture against the main detainees who are police from Iguala, police from Cocula and alleged members of warriors attached to him.

Among this list of torturers, the large corporation that has the most elements mentioned is the Secretary of the Navy, which opens up to me. a panorama a new panorama of investigation and a new panorama about Mexico and a new panorama only role of the US government in these in these massacres anabel look to close a few days ago in your opportunity to be in Colombia for a journalistic job and I had a interview with the doctor of law Angela Buitrago, a member of the group, I tried to get lost from independent experts and I asked her what the China case represents for Mexico and for other countries and I am not going to ask is before and we passed this fragment of the interview that I had with Ángela Buitrago, please look.

I believe that the case of the 43 missing people triggers something in Mexico that we were also able to see and that is why I believe that it is an emblematic case. The reality of disappearances in Mexico. The reality of turbulent states. The reality of confrontations between organized crime and also cooptations with the issue of public security, that is, this is an emblematic case where what you can actually work on here is to see how there are a series of people who belong to the state administration on the same side of the municipality of equals and the state of warrior where they are in collusion with organized crime triggers the passivity perhaps of many many other disappeared triggers the lack of awareness in many people of the reality of disappearances and is emblematic because the attack is also savage In other words, the attack that is carried out on the boys of the Isidro Burgos normal school has no precedents, it has no precedents in Mexico because normally there is violence, normally you can have groups in which they are contained, but there are 110 boys plus all the wounded from 80 kilometers away. the round plus the guys on the hornet bus that was the soccer team's game where you realize that there were actually more than 450 people injured during this activity so when you start to see that I think because it is emblematic because because it represents the reality of violence, the form of action that had until now been normal and notice that when we entered into thisinvestigation we began to see how the disappearance tripled in Iguala since 2009 2010 and these are facts that had not been so noticeable and this obviously triggers and triggers the issue and through it created the straw that overflows the camel's back I think that the case of the normal Isidro Burgos is a case that becomes notorious, that becomes visible and that becomes emblematic because I believe that people said enough is enough and this is the final point because you have missing persons in all the states of Ayotzinapa, an emblematic case and it seems to me that Your book reconfirmed it to close, Anabel, what are you left with, what would you like to close and also returning a little to this reflection that Angela Buitrago makes, I believe that we are at the moment when society must reflect that it is not only about the 43 normal students disappeared there will be those who sympathize with sufferings in motion it is not only about not only it is not only about that it is about the life of each one of us it is about these institutions that are supposed to be responsible for protecting us and that are the that they torture us or disappear us, it is about a president of the republic who has violated the constitution and who has decided to put his group interests and protection of the army before giving justice to the citizens and it is about the fact that in this case we must look at ourselves. one by one and to think that what happened to these students and what happened to the tortured people could happen to any of us at any moment to close in a minute Anabel there is a place where there is a darker moment in the country than in these In recent years, this is truly the darkest moment that Mexico is experiencing.

I really think that that night in Iguala marked this darkness and that since then there has been no light. I really believe it. I really believe that we live in terrible darkness from that night onwards because on this night Not only did it disappear, he tells us, and three students completely disappeared, the rule of law, the government's responsibility to protect us, that is why it is darkness, thanks to these two formations and thanks to you for having accompanied us, see you next time, this was perspectives to those who break seeing TV