Perspectivas - La verdadera noche de Iguala, con Anabel HernŠndez - 8/12/16Feb 27, 2020
Here in Mexico on the night of September 26 and the early morning of September 27, 2014, our souls ship that 26 and 27 of the national month in Mexico the day never returned that night that early night three historical reflectors were turned on, one pointed at the parents and mothers of ayotzinapa another pointed to where mothers and fathers of mexico scratch the country looking for missing children and one more pointed and veiled an actor who in the best of cases is co-responsible for the worst responsible for the mexican state tonight the journalist
ndezwho presents us with her most recent investigation the true night of
igualathis is perspectives are you in rompeviento tv we started happy because they are happy for what you just wrote and unhappy about the content of it is the book by
ndezthe true night It's the same and Anabel is with us.
Once again, welcome. I'm delighted to be here with you and thank you, Anabel. Tremendous book Tremendous research According to what I have been listening to and reading for two years, approximately, a little more since the problem with Ayotzinapa began, from that September 24 to 26, and what are the elements that you consider in your book that shed light on something that was not known in This investigation of Ayotzinapa in these two and a half years when I am not here, first of all I want to tell you that we have sat down many times at this table to talk about different things and different topics, but without a doubt this is the most important investigation in my journalistic career because It involves the journalist because it involves the mother of the family and because it involves the Mexican woman.
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I wrote this book from a forced exile that the government forced on me, after many threats, attacks, they practically expelled me from Mexico, and now that they were waiting for me to leave, let's see. clear to sunbathe on the beaches of california and forced exile really opened my eyes in a different way and made me search for the truth d in a different way and what I can tell you is that this book is the discovery of a painful truth that has to do with my own personal reality the reality of 43 students that that night that you describe disappeared forever the reality of those parents of family and the reality of any Mexican who at any moment can become one of the 43 one of the more than 100 brutally tortured by the state to fabricate a story and in responsible meals I kept thinking Anabel what is it when I heard you I hear you now exile In the end, it was very useful because through the University of Bertie you can access very valuable documents and part of that, as I understand the result, this book is good.
What really helped me being in Berlin was the financial support. The research is totally mine, no. It's not that the university has done a search for documents or anything, but what really helped me is to have a moment of peace, you know. r that my children were safe there at the university I was sponsored by the research they paid for all the trips photostatic copies that kind of thing and what helped me is being able to keep moving the archive that I think that was a key piece such a good key piece that still in november 2015 there was a break-in at my home when i was at the most delicate point of my investigation closing the clasp that involved the mexican army there was a break-in at my house where nothing was stolen and it is clear to me that what they were looking for is the file that was in mexico the file that was in another place totally safe guard was really in that sense the paper the support of the university for me without a doubt has been crucial including even editorial supervision A good part of this investigation was done because the university was very rigorous, it was very demanding to have proof, to have documents, to have testimony. there was even and I must say it so that people know what book we are talking about what kind of material they have in their hands it is an investigation in which I even report finding my own investigation doubting at every moment of any finding that the findings would have made they are very large and in contrast you found something that you had investigated that no when not, that is, reconfirmed your investigation in its entirety there is nothing that has sparked or including requests for information from the sedena thinking that maybe I could be interpreting some information, for example ballistics tests that we can talk about later, I am thinking that maybe I am misinterpreting, maybe there is an error, maybe I am oversizing evidence, taking things for granted and the truth is that through the answers that he gave me the sedena little by little by dropper without knowing the research exactly what I was looking for with his answers he helped me da helped me to confirm many of my hypotheses and turn them into certainties anabel protagonists who are the protagonists of the true equality night you know me ernesto and i really know what i do i really know because i believe that a country like mexico requires this type of journalism I do accountability journalism if there is no accountability of the actors involved in this type of state abuse that of the situation with impunity it is not enough to say the army it is not enough to say federal government officials it is not enough to say elements of the police federal, you don't have to say name by name who are each of those involved in what happened that night during that night and later throughout these two years and I would tell you that there are three protagonists four fundamental protagonists in this case that without their intervention and manipulation this story would not have ended as it ended in impunity until now one of them is of course humberto castillejos the man e most powerful of the federal government that has kept a low profile but that everyone calls him vice president or those who rumor that he is even more important than pe√Īa nieto himself- makes more decisions than enrique pe√Īa nieto he took it upon himself to cover up He was in charge of diverting the diversion of the investigation.
He was in charge of the first dialogues with the parents. He is an actor. In 2005, in Huixquilucan, he was directly involved, even the Attorney General's Office of the State of Mexico was thinking of giving him a summons and an arrest warrant, and yet suddenly the case stopped and the State of Mexico did not advance any further, but his phone or his phone were directly involved. in the extortions that enrique salinas was suffering from him and from elements of the afi then at that time his cu √Īado luis c√°rdenas palomino worked for him this is humberto castillejos a lawyer who, according to people who know him well, is a man with few scruples his father the lawyer castillejos was riddled with bullets while leaving his office not many years ago a controversial character very close very close to the president of the republic for several years but who has always managed with a very low profile that is what helps him to adopt with impunity and that is why it is important to put his name on display and say this man must be followed pasos humberto castillejos the man of great power behind the presidential series absolutely the author that his relatives like alfredo castillo have become these characters with all power in michoac√°n is the man who has sponsored his other relative Mr.
Cervantes who is the head of the pgr, well, he finished covering up the entire state maneuver, he is an important and dangerous man, according to The protagonist took a long-time friend from Humberto Castillejos, who takes 0, until very recently he was the director of the criminal investigation agency, a man who was in charge not only of covering up and manipulating the entire investigation, but also the boys of it doesn't even know that it takes zero and it's in the book the boys their zero take went out tonight to perform in china their own ministerial statements agree, all of them who were in the pgr delegation in
igualawent out to the streets that day and They were present at all the attacks against the normalistas, that is, they took not only the judge but also a part of the self-investigation, which is absolutely absurd and now it cannot be explained, only in this way can the great interest in diverting and manipulating information be explained. cer√≥n a policeman as he touches trajectory a man who was from the regime's greece was protected by the police regime of genaro garc√≠a luis luis c√° Ardenas, Palomino, a very close friend of Castillejos, a friend of Alfredo Castillo, cousin of Humberto Castillejos, that's how you realize, each one takes a small family mafia and everything remains, a small family mafia, the state of Mexico, the group of the state of Mexico is key in what happened that night because we have other characters that is luis mier who was secretary of government with this enrique pe√Īa grandson with he was governor of the state of mexico when it occurred in the events of iguala he was undersecretary of the interior a man with twice the power of miguel angel osorio Chong who made fun of him because well, the one who moved the centuries was really me alone, but really the one who ran the cisen who ran the federal police who had the strength within the sect of the government was Luis Enrique Miranda because he has the Support from Enrique Pe√Īa Nieto Luis Enrique Miranda had also worked with Pe√Īa Nieto, as I have mentioned, and he is a man of great confidence when rto author actor that allows these three and everything else to have happened is the president of the republic enrique pe√Īa nothing more and nothing less than talking about institutions in the strongest reflector the crudest revelation the fundamental actor is the mexican army in your book particularly the 27th infantry detail is like that is like that I would say that there are two actors one an important criminal group that has not been investigated by the government that is not mentioned in any line of the more than 180 volumes of the enap preliminary investigation of a group criminal who has been based in guerrero for many years who has absolute power had absolute power with at least until that night and of course the Mexican army is on the other side and we will have to put background to the problem no not dear united is a group of this size the reds are not talking about the big leagues the richest in the tico zone in mexico and in the usa but there are you there you are referring to you are not talking about the groups s orientals the depth of the criminal mexican army has a drug trafficking group is a linked group that was linked to the beltr√°n leyva for a long time i withhold their name on purpose later we can tell you i can tell you why i withhold the name on purpose and the name I know him from the field and I reserve it for a journalistic strategy working in research and for the people who are listening why don't you say it because it is still ongoing I this book of course is I would say about three quarters of my research but my research continues really hoping for the best in a naive or ambitious way to really be able to find or know what was the final destination what is the whereabouts of these 43 students there is a part of your text that your book of the true night of the same that we are going to allow to read for give entry to the army that says the head of the investigation office is instructed to give instructions to whoever corresponds so that so that in accordance with articles 13 of the last paragraph of the political constitution of the United Mexican States, the conducts or masses that could have been incurred by personnel from the headquarters of the twenty-seventh infantry battalion based in Iguala Guerrero in the events that occurred on September 26 and 27, 2014, where students from the Ra√ļl Isidro Burgos rural normal school in Ayotzinapa and other civilians were attacked so that, if they had sufficient data and evidence, the investigation could be expanded regarding possible crimes that could be committed against them. attribute as it could be a cover-up or abuse of authority or any other undue circumstance in the exercise of their functions this is tremendous and I am not saying it chronicler it is tremendous and I am not saying it if whoever says it is a fundamental actor it also seems to me in your book, if you can talk a little about where this text comes from months ago when I was already good a few months ago with this At the end of my investigation, I had access to two key documents, two documents from the PGR itself, two documents from the administration of Mr.
Enrique Pe√Īa Nieto, two documents prepared by the PGR General Inspectorate, so that people can better understand language, it's like in the office of internal affairs in the pgr that is in charge of investigating corruption within the pgr to investigate the actions of the public ministries to investigate the attorney himself and the other deputy attorneys is the area that really controls the improper use of the power within the pgr and supervises that the investigations of the pgr are in accordance with the law and are not diverted this auditor cesar alejandro ch√°vez ch√°vez flores and made an internal investigation between one he did and began in april of this year against tom√°s cero and his main and its main public ministries regarding the performance and planting of evidence in the San Juan River where there are supposed to be if When the remains of Alexander Mora were found, according to the conclusions of the internal investigation, the remains would have been planted.
All the actions of Mr. Tom√°s Heron were illegal. The arrest warrant is being ordered.and dismissal of several of its public ministries, which are primarily responsible for all the preliminary investigation of the case of l√≥dz and napa, and it is being pointed out that no one can explain how the remains of alexander mora arrived in the san juan river, well, without any of the facts in cocula they occurred here the big question Mr. takes cer√≥n are you where did you get the bone of the action of mora this conclusively proves ernesto that the expert evidence that is the remains of alexander mora really calcined according to this university of austria the expert evidence With which the government tried to close the case is the proof that incriminates him in an absolutely forceful way because there is no other way to explain how the federal government or how Mr.
Tom√°s where he looked can have a remains of Alexander Mora with nothing The events occurred unless he knows where the rest of the remains are. The normalistas are a very important part of the investigation of the The investigation, the statement is tremendous and it is something by a prosecutor, not what I am telling you about this evidence, it incriminates Toma Cer√≥n, it is a conclusion that I draw from the conclusions that the prosecutor draws from saying nothing about what happened in the San Juan river. The finding was real, it was a manipulation, it would be necessary to investigate, because how did those remains get to the San Juan River? nothing, there is no other way of saying it, some members of the interdisciplinary group of independent gay experts pointed out that several actors from the attorney general's office or people who did have a real intention of conducting an in-depth and honest investigation of this man, C√©sar Alejandro, were identified Ch√°vez Flores and a group of others because it is not that he has done all the research but rather a group of more than 9 public ministries that are part of of the general visitation that really at a given moment is a man with a team that at the height of things he decided to do the right thing convinced the then attorney arely g√≥mez to do this investigation on the cer√≥n issue but in addition to doing a general legal audit of all the files of ayotzinapa, which are more than one hundred or so volumes, the attorney had reservations and the main argument of the former prosecutor, now ex-prosecutor, was that if we, as you, attorney, if we did not internally clean up all this disaster, well, we ourselves can be taken to court, to an international court, to a trial, the president is going to be taken, true, I don't know if this is not resolved internally and if all this disastrous investigation is not internally cleaned up and the Mexican government can be brought in the international court with this argument the attorney agrees to this and it is clear to me without informing the president of the republic to his chief of staff In this situation, this counter clarified that absolutely because of the conclusion that he had due to the attitude that Mr.
Enrique Pe√Īa Nieto took when he found out about the existence of these two documents that it is long that we can practice right now later is this document that internal investigation of taking cer√≥n that ratifies many of the things that he has already been denouncing to me since the end of 2014 beginning of 2015 I was the first journalist who said that this heretic Elche and the other masons who had been tortured and taken accused of allegedly having murdered and burned I had spoken to the normalistas in Cocula with their relatives and from the beginning the wife of the heretic Agust√≠n Garc√≠a Reyes had told me that when the heretic che was forced to go to the San Juan river, everything was already planted and that only he was forced to act as if she were an actor and several times so that the farc out of tune would turn out well but she repeated it to me several times after s with the salts of the video to which you have access where it is indeed seen that there is one that the lord takes cer√≥n and agust√≠n towards reyes appear at the scene before supposedly the discovery of the remains of alexander mora he speaks here of a manipulation of evidence because that visit made by taking xenon was never recorded in the file, which was confirmed by the general inspector, so this part was essential because according to this, the conclusions about the taking of cer√≥n simply with the events that occurred in the san juan river, all the investigation of house kitchen pass and steam is only the historical truth was completely buried with the shovel of the internal investigation of the person himself parallel to this there is a document of more than a thousand and so many pages to which I had access much more of two months where they do English there is one there is an audit in each one of the actions each one of the actions of the pgr in the investigation for its realization is correct and there the conclusion is a very very large document I'll be back to upload it to the internet not because people will have to know it there is a book of the book it will be accompanied by an internet page that we are creating that is under construction where I will put I am going to give public access to all these documents that the government wants to keep hidden so that everyone can form their opinion.
It is impossible to analyze these documents in the book, but that is why we are going to grow the website because in this audit the conclusions are fundamental are I would say 51 in the ministerial federal police participated was active that night the boys of tom√°s destroy assets tonight and it should be investigated and those ministerial federal police should be punished 2 the federal police at least the federal police at least it is determined in this file that at least two federal police officers, V√≠ctor Manuel Colmenares and Emanuel Perez Arispe, are directly involved ucrated in the facts of the disappearance of the students and the prosecutor's office is ordering an investigation of about 14 between 10 and 14 other federal police officers who were active that night, including Lisa Antonio Dorantes Mac√≠as, who the head of the federal police base in the same way as another of the conclusions is that the pgr manipulated the case, completely diverted it, focused on the issue of the so-called united warriors and neglected all the other aspects that could have truly provided a solution to the case and inclusive also refers to the diversion focusing too much on the dump, not particularly what it is in this document, it does not refer only to the issue of cocula but rather refers in general to the pgr it focused only on a supposed group of united warriors has a lot of illegally detained no judge is going to be able to judge him without central is a sentence the vast majority of these supposed united warriors were brutally being tortured and the pgr totally received their case and eb and evaded investigating who they should see and investigate whether another of the conclusions is that captain jos√© mart√≠nez crespo be investigated, who is a character that I found and revealed my first report published in December 2014 in the magazine proceso where I rebel that this captain that night at the time of the attack had been circulating through the streets of Iguala with a team of 14 at least 14 soldiers, which was later confirmed several months later with the statement of Captain Crespo and the general road visit is ordering that he be investigated for alleged links to organized crime, which neither the follow-up nor any other area of ‚Äč‚Äčthe pgr has done up to now and the fifth fundamental conclusion is not only that Only Captain Jos√© Mart√≠nez Crespo is being investigated, but rather that the entire unit of the 27th Infantry Battalion be investigated, not only for alleged acts of omission but also as you have read. or for concealment, abuse of authority or anything else that may result, which may also involve organized crime and links to drug trafficking before speaking with omar garc√≠a I interviewed him for the book on the real night it was the same as before speaking with him or for speak with any other student who had referred to the presence of the army I had access since the beginning of October 2014, that is, just a few days after the events of the first ministerial declarations of the normalistas to the survivors who were on this street in Juan √°lvarez and even those who were present before the arrival of omar garc√≠a and in those ministerial statements there is a constant presence of the federal police and the presence of the army these statements were made on September 27, 2014 just a few hours after the events Two years have passed and no authority in this country has investigated the army or the police and especially in an intentional way the government and the government of guerrero the lord the government of the 2nd governor angel aguirre knew about the participation of the army in the federal police and they diverted their investigation the pgr knew of these accusations that they were when with hotels the statements ministerial the first thing that occurs to you is good if you have to investigate the municipal police because indeed the normalistas say they shot us but if they are also talking about the presence of the army and the federal police well we also had to investigate the I'll even tell you one thing there is a public ministry a woman public ministry that of course with a finger of brain is not required anymore immediately on September 28 orders well based on these three decades ministerial sends a letter to the federal police sends a letter to the army telling him, tell me what caliber are the weapons that your staff carried, give me the weapons to do an expert opinion on them, what connect elemental I want I want your internal security cameras of your facilities of course the public ministry thinking maybe students were taken there and I was looking for the videos and I was looking at the list of all the personnel who had been present I saw an asset that night The federal police and the army never responded to these requests and of course when the investigation changes to a few days at the beginning of October at the hands of the tajera and of course the pgr completely abandons that line of investigation but these statements by the The participation of the army and the federal police was from the beginning, which is why in the investigation the truth of the main focuses from the beginning was precisely the army of the federal police and two gold star trucks, which are fundamental to understanding what happened that night and now that we are in the army we were talking about ballistics you talk about ballistics in your work the tests are worth the use of weapons that were used we understand and in mexico it is a common practice that we heard there were weapons for the exclusive use of the army it is like a ready-made phrase but here we are talking about the bullets this for those who do not understand nature to those who do not understand The nature of a piece of evidence that can be as conclusive as that, you can talk about it, I'm going to describe it as I'm telling you, I had access and that is the main file.
I would say the most important file from Ayotzinapa, which is the first investigations, the first actions, which is the ministry public office of the government of Guerrero there is in Iguala between September 26, 27, 28 and 29 these four days are key there are all the fundamental tests to determine the participation of these federal actors that same night I went to the public ministry of Guerrero on Juan street n √£ lvarez and just as he locates the body of daniel and julio c√©sar and just as he locates the three trucks, little by little he is collecting or little by little those who remained at the scene of the crime and the first tests are being carried out on the holes, that is, and on the direct shots that the buses received, I had access to those documents and there was a series of data that I did not understand It took me a while to understand I'm sorry I should have done it sooner after this man collects those ballistics tests these shell casings the shells are the part of the cartridge that remains when the bullet has already left and only the base of the bullet remains as peace after all this report all of this and the buses themselves are taken to another type of expert and there in that expert it is determined what caliber is the bullet that perforated this here is this stage this and this truck was taken to the expert the three trucks that were left on Juanes de √Ālvarez street and the hornet truck that was left on the Santa Teresa road, which was also brutally attacked, so in these expert reports it is determined that there are at least 19 casings that can only belong to the g3 weapon, which is a nato regulation weapon, it is a weapon that not even the drug traffickers can get, it is a weapon that only the members of the 27th battalion of the Mexican army carried that night, later hundreds of caliber shells were found that corresponds to the r-15 of these hundreds of casings only 66 belong to the weapons of the municipal police equal to the others it is unknown who they were the federal police that night loaded the weapons with the same cartridge of the same caliber as the police of equals for That is clear to me that the public ministry was ordering the federal police to hand over your weapons to make an expert opinion because they are the same caliber as these cartridges that do not have an owner.
We have already identified 6 but we are missing the other hundreds of these 19 cartridges from image 3 there was there in the description of the expert and the brand of each cartridge for example the cartridges of the one that brings the municipal advertising of equal to the majority brand eagle, that is, each cartridge has a manufacturer and the initials of each manufacturer are unique in the world, no manufacturer can have the same initials as others due to an elemental control ofIndeed, when there are these types of incidents, it is possible to identify what things and these cartridges have a fcc fcc mark, which I had not understood until I realized that when it says this in these lines they correspond to the g3 and I had already read the ministerial declarations of the military where they say we carry g3 and where no other corporation carried I began to investigate which spc who is the manufacturer and it is the cartridge factory of the military industry of sedena I was suspicious of my own investigation suspicious of my own investigation and of my My own findings I think we have learned there is a lot of news not that the drug traffickers have access later to the cartridges for the exclusive use of the army as you commented no this is common it is not rare this I make a request through the transparency law the sedena saying that Well, a few years ago in 2014 Universal released a very extensive report on all the types of cartridges and calibers that were being produced.
Going to the military industry cartridge factory and they were talking about thousands and thousands and thousands of productions of seven cartridges, referring to that article, he asked Sedena. Well, based on this article, they are not talking about all this production of cartridges, including cartridges for the g3 and he asked him about this caliber of cartridge that is the one used by the g3 I ask him how many cartridges they produce from 2000 they have produced in 2001 to date year by year if anyone can access the cartridges these cartridges because the sedena sells cartridges there is a certain caliber that sedena sells jackson if you have a license and your weapon has a license you can go buy your pc cartridges well what if any duck hunting fan can compare the nights of chlorine and 3 tell me how much is stolen why what What happens if a command of non-super-powerful drug traffickers arrived to attack the headquarters facilities to rob cartridges in a squad in a squad a week Answer me I can not tell you how many I produce because it is national information there is no individual who can have access to these cartridges only us these cartridges are for the exclusive use of the army can only be used by elements of the army and three have not stolen a single one or it is blunt it is blunt and yet the pgr has not carried out an expert report to date on the weapons that the army carried on that day and compare them with these casings and I could tell you what is even more serious is that in Right now no one knows where those castles are, that anabel in your investigation one point of the crude parts that there is is the issue that the search was actually for the trucks that carried heroin in the two buses to be mentioned even with an approximate value of 2 million dollars, that was the central objective of recovering, but there was no primary order to disappear or execute the students, so that information is correct. n who thinks that now speaking of the detained people, there is data there that I have heard in another interview and was reading and the main factors that all the reflectors had, the former municipal president Jos√© Luis Abarca and his wife who it is determined was tortured by the pgr itself by the pgr itself it is determined and they do not mention the names of the criminal police officers responsible these in your books too or that you had an interview with them and you mention correct me if it is not so that in reality they are not responsible They are victims, where do they place those who are included in this framework and I understand that the question is not an easy one, but look with 81 and an investigation like this one focuses on the accusation against the person if they accuse you of having killed a coyote duck I investigated you if you killed the duck if you killed a goat if you killed an elephant three years ago or if you are going to do it because it is a matter that you do not care about they are judging they are judging you that you killed the pact and I the investigation that I am doing covers asia and his wife they accuse them of money laundering and they accuse them of allegedly being linked to united warriors and of having been the masterminds and having ordered the attack The students, I can categorically affirm up to this moment, not even the PGR itself has proven that even one peso, one penny from the Lord covers her husband, but they come from organized crime, so much so that none of their businesses in this Plaza Tamarindos are taken in this way, money laundering. and many media outlets in the country and many international media outlets taking it for granted because it is neither insured nor confiscated and two years have passed because the pgr has not been able to prove that a single peso with which the shopping center is built comes from organized crime, its jewelry stores They have jewelry stores, neither a bracelet nor a gold ring have been confiscated because their properties come from money of illicit origin. ades, none have been seized or confiscated for this very reason, that is to say, from the laundering of money from the pgr itself, he has been able to, I can prove it and regarding the issue of the students, it is evident that although it was the municipal president and his wife, they were in the middle from a highly contaminated environment that would have to be asked or investigated if they were in collusion or not I have found no collusion the pgr itself has not been able to prove it is no collusion the truth is that he was a minor actor he was an actor of jos√© luis abarca he was an actor of this size in what happened that night he had neither the power I would say nor the character to have done what he did even though it was very bad although he had wanted to murder the students more than a hard night he himself fired the trigger well we are before a city that is not in a cave and in the tarahumara sierra it is a city where there is a pgr mixed operations base it is a city where there is a state pressure base of operations It is a city where the 7th Infantry Battalion is located, it is a city where the Iguala federal police base is located, and seeing this huge base of the Iguala municipal police is training, if you compare it with these four, well, no.
It is possible, it is not possible, then comes my discovery of what the c4 means, which is a key element here where one already understands, even based on the documents of the government secretariat itself, because there everyone coordinates that does not move not a finger without that there is no coordination within the authors who are all these authorities that I mentioned therefore the role of Jos√© Luis covers that in his and not only that after his wife because his wife has told him this supposedly having Without a doubt, this sister of these boys who work with very important tron ‚Äč‚Äčoperators of the Beltr√°n Leyva cartel, I have had access to all their files since these brothers of hers and and or I would tell you which part was part, which gives me a lot of attention that no file prior to Yotzinapa is she or her husband linked to the criminal organization in any, for example, Sergio Villarreal el Grande and there are many statements about the operations of the Pineda Villas, he made many statements about the operations of the Beltr√°n Leyva but he never mentions it, so it appears as something sown all of a sudden no ok so from your assessment there is a possible implication but they do not have that dimension that they give it to be able to coordinate an operation of that nature yes I would like to talk about one of a possible involvement, that is, they were there, it is a fact, well, I would not even talk about a possible involvement, or it is thought that there is no evidence, there is no evidence against him regarding the disappearance or murders, I present links with the organized crime there is a series of a little more than 100 policemen who are detained and you mention Anabel had in your investigation I do not know how many were tortured and even mention that some of their wives were raped.
I could, as I repeat, I had access to this file from the Guerrero attorney general's office of each police officer every time the pgr arrested a person, this person after After the torture, the rest had access to a phone call and a relative called. I wrote down a long list of all the relatives' telephone numbers and that is how you can find out. We had the testimonies of what these families experienced and it seems to me that they are the other forgotten victims. The media, the journalists, have focused on these 43 normalistas who disappeared for good reason, on their parents, the surviving normalistas, but we have forgotten to revictimize these people who were unjustly detained and brutally tortured, and I wanted to give visibility to these victims and I know that It can be somewhat controversial for many, I know that even for some parents of the normal ready with me I started to publish this but what an outrage in the end they have realized that because there they came to the conclusions that I that these people had been brutally tortured that everything they had said is absolutely incongruous nothing is connected with the another and this one does not have a critical validity is perhaps the most serious thing what I found is that these policemen at least 22 policemen from Iguala and 22 policemen from Cocula detained by the navy and by the federal ministerial police were brutally tortured the vast majority suffered sexual abuse of men and women as part of the torture and there were systematic injuries, that is to say, the same injury that one body presented was presented by the other, although there were different corporations that had committed the torture, the account speaks of a school of torture that we should talk about and investigate at another time because the subject of torture in this book is brutal it is a subject in which I plan to get involved I think Investigating in depth is a topic that opens up a vision of Mexico for me that I had not fully understood and that now that I understand it horrifies me, but it is another topic that we can talk about later and effectively as part of the torture and some of the wives of The detainees were sexually abused or abducted, for example, there is the case of Patricio in Reyes Landa, there is the case of Agust√≠n Reyes Garc√≠a, there is the case of this one, Felipe the famous, the supposed brush, there is the case of this one, this osorio, another of the masons arrested and at the same time. at least the wife of one of them at least the husband of one of them was abducted last January when her husband was communicating directly with me and was sending letters denouncing very serious things regarding toma cer√≥n and lord jesus who was a solicitor died in this constant in this context this girl was arrested and treated in a very violent way there is another actor who appears there with more relevance than many may We were going to suppose the navy what role it plays and in the true night of equality and I am not referring only to your book but a number of the night of equalization and after that look Ernesto I have been investigating the first organized as you know particularly the last 11 years I have seen many files I have seen any type of filth of abuses of human rights violations in these files I have never seen a case like this of equalizing the abuses committed by the government to create a story and cover up the responsible truths and I have I had access to documents from the PGR itself, also because they are not documents, they are not my ideas, they are not even testimonies, they are documents from the PGR itself that list at least 66 officials who are being investigated for committing another torture against the main detainees who are police officers from Cocula police officers and alleged members of warriors united to this include among this list of torturers the great corporation that The most elements he has mentioned is the Secretary of the Navy, which opens up a new panorama for me, a new investigation panorama and a new panorama on Mexico and a new panorama, only the role of the US government in these in these massacres, Anabel looks to close a few years ago. days in your opportunity to be in Colombia for a journalistic job and I had an interview with the doctor in law √Āngela Buitrago member of the group I tried to get lost from independent experts and who asked her what the case I China represents for Mexico and for other countries and I'm not going to ask, it's before and we passed on this fragment of the interview I had with √Āngela Buitrago, please look, I think that the case of the 43 disappeared triggers something in Mexico that we could also see and that's why I think it's a case emblematic the reality of disappearances in mexico the reality of convulsed states the reality of confrontations between organized crime and also cooptations with the issue of security public ity, that is, this is an emblematic case where effectively what you can work here is to see how there are a number of people who belong to the state administration on the same side of the municipality of Iguala and the state of Guerrero where they are in collusion with organized crime triggers the passivity perhaps of many many other disappeared triggers the I say the lack of awareness in many people of the reality of the disappearances and it is emblematic because also the attack is savage, that is, the attack that is made against the boys normal isidro burgos has no precedents has no precedents in mexico because normally there is violence normally you can have groups in which they are contained but there are 110 boys plus all the wounded from 80 kilometers around plus the boys from the hornet bus that was the football team match where you realize that there were actually more than 450 people injured during this activity in So when you start to see that, I think it's because it's emblematic because it represents the reality of violence, the way of acting that had been normal up to now, and notice that when we entered thisinvestigation we began to see how the disappearance tripled in equals from 2009 to 2010 and these are facts that had not been so notorious and this obviously triggers and triggers the issue and through it created the drop that overflows the camel's back I think that the case of the normal Isidro Burgos is a case that has become notorious, that has become visible and that has become emblematic because I believe that people said enough is enough until there and this is the end point because you have disappeared persons in all the states of Ayotzinapa, an emblematic case and it seems to me that Your book reconfirmed it to close, Anabel, what do you prefer, what would you like to close with, and also returning a bit to this reflection made by √Āngela Buitrago, I think that we are at the moment when society must reflect that it is not only about the 43 normalistas disappeared there will be those who sympathize with sufferings in movement it is not only about not only about not only about that it is about the life of each one of us it is about these institutions It is about a president of the republic who has violated the constitution and who has decided to put his group interests and protection of the army before giving justice to the citizenship and it is about that we must look at each other in this case one by one and think that what happened to these students and what happened to the tortured can happen to any of us at any moment to close in a minute anabel There is a darker moment in the country than in recent years.
It is truly the darkest moment that Mexico is experiencing. I really think that that night in Iguala marked this darkness and that since then there has been no light. I really believe it, I really believe that we live. in the terrible darkness from that night because on this night not only did the account disappear and three students completely disappeared the rule of law the responsibility of the g government to protect us that's why it's dark thanks thanks to these two formations and thanks to you for having accompanied us see you next time this was perspectives to those who break watching tv
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