Perspectivas - Entrevista con Anabel Hernández sobre Rafael Caro Quintero - 26 de julio 2016-

you welcome to one more broadcast of your program perspectives to those who break watching television on the internet

anabel

hern

á

ndez

the interview with

caro

quintero

we begin thank you very much for being with us in one more broadcast of your program perspectives here at breakeviento tv and we are happy that is with us none other than the journalist

anabel

hern

á

ndez

to anabel welcome what am I going to say more you have already seen the news anabel got an extraordinary interview that gives none other than

rafael

caro

quintero

a historic interview and Anabel, I would like to start by starting with the character Caro Quintero for generations that do not understand the dimension of the character Caro Quintero.

I would like to start by asking who Caro Quintero was in the eighties, who acquired an enormous dimension when it comes to drug lords in Mexico. First of all, I would like to tell you how I find the figure of Rafael Caro Quintero. I really come across his name and his story. When I am doing research on the Sinaloa Cartel, you cannot understand the history of the Sinaloa Cartel without the story of Caro Quintero. ernesto fonseca carllo and miguela graf election I'm already talking about 2005 when I started doing my research for the book Los ions del narco and when you started researching El Chapo Guzmán to understand what El Chapo Guzmán is I had to leave for several decades Going back and on that journey to these decades is that I come across the name of Rafael Caro Quintero and with these characters called the Guadalajara Cartel.

Rafael Caro Quintero is a man who started in drug trafficking at a very young age. The rest are Fonseca Carrillo in his first statement. ministerial when he is arrested in 1985 he narrates how Rafael Caro Quintero his first first businesses in the world of drug trafficking was less glass when he was 17 18 years old when his name begins to sound and he points out Ernesto Fonseca Carllo who was selling marijuana of very poor quality that I wanted to buy him a very dry marijuana that was of no use but it is evident that Rafael Caro Quintero was able to overcome those obstacles and at the time he became an absolutely innovative man in the field of marijuana planting.

You will remember that in 1984 some immense operational and it is said and tons and tons of drugs are seized in El Búfalo and other nearby ranches in Chihuahua El Búfalo owned by Caro Quintero yes and what is found is more than tons and all this was all the innovation for planting for the irrigation of the of marijuana really was an act of innovation of the technology that Caro Quintero was using to do we are not talking about that his name very young age was ingenious in these matters Caro Quintero is related to Ernesto Fonseca Carllo and the government He says that he was also related to Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo.

These three camps in the late 70s and early 80s were really the most important bosses that there were at that time, still beloved Carrillo Fuentes, they are in the making, Rafael Aguilar Guajardo was there and there were some other figures. For they really were predominant in the organization that the government called the Guadalajara cartel, that is him, the Rafael Caro Quintero of those times, there is a black legend that is described in different files, for example, there is a very large file of Rafael Caro. Quintero in a California court where several of the people who were accused of the kidnapping, torture and murder of Enrique Camarena were tried and there you see testimonies that say what he liked, that drugged with cocaine he liked to ride on a horse that knew how to dance These types of chronicles that are sometimes also a little implausible, it is difficult to know if it is true or not, but given the similarity, if they were talking about a very eccentric character who was very successful with women, there is a story about how he conquered Sarkozy or Sara Cosío Vidáurri. the youngest daughter of Guadalajara from an important political family of PRI politicians in Guadalajara with a lot of power she later told a story that she kidnapped me she saw me I'm very traumatized no but the legend says that in a bar in Guadalajara she was with His girlfriend is very young, very girl, very young, and between Rafael Caro Quintero and his group of women, he sits down and she immediately doesn't take her eyes off him.

Rafael Caro Quintero starts flirting with her, Sara's boyfriend gets up, very upset. and dance, Rafael Caro Quintero demands that he stop bothering his girlfriend and Rafael Caro Quintero gets up except you think I'm bothering him, he walks in the disco at the bar to the table where you are now cooked and says it mind my daughter, let's go and The girl did not think about it for a second, she got up and left with him. This is replicated by Fifth Abel, but now he is in the dimension of this boss of bosses or the prince as he was known in the eighties when he is finally arrested and prosecuted. charges are brought against him for which he is in prison for 28 and a half years no more and no less and there is the case of the people of the dea Enrique Camarena who one-eyed those mentioned in the dimension of the character of Rafael Caro Quintero in those eighties in The on the map of the big bosses that were there at that time in that family tree where you are located at the time in which Rafael Caro Quintero was arrested, it would be necessary to understand that in that decade of the late seventies early seventies In the 80s, this so-called Guadalajara cartel was actually a medium-sized organization.

At that time, Mexicans were not yet involved in the great cocaine business of cocaine trafficking to the United States. Practically, their main business was heroin and marijuana, so we are all talking about it. of organizations that were beginning to bribe governors, some of the military, some of the police, but still incipient organizations, nothing more than just that, people are thinking, it was like Chapo Guzmán or it was like Pablo Escobar, at all, they were much smaller organizations, even I would tell you, I don't think there were any. I have not yet read any file that talks about how many tons of marijuana or heroin this Guadalajara cartel produced or trafficked.

There is still no record to really put the volume because you can really realize the power of a cartel depends on the volume of profits it makes. No matter how much money he has, I would tell you that from what it looked like, from what I can see, in the files that I studied for many years, it was really a medium-sized criminal organization, but for the people who are suddenly hearing the name of Caro Quintero of the big bosses of now, including those who are detained, some of the big camps worked for him, who were those so that the people who are listening understand the dimension of the character at that time, he worked for him or how not to forget, let's not forget, let's not forget. that the Guadalajara cartel was a triad of Rafael Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo and Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo, for me it is very difficult if you ask me, for me it is very difficult to know what the hierarchy is between the three of them, it is difficult to understand it, it seems that they were like equals, there are those who They say that Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo had much more power but it is difficult to identify the truth is that at that time there were many fields in the making.

Caro Quintero had come to power very young. Let's not forget that in this case, Fonseca Carllo and Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo were much older. that he was really very young and had been very young in power because of all this audacity that he had in this business at that time they began to work together with the Guadalajara cartel or for the Guadalajara cartel Ismael 'el Mayo' Zambada were there also beloved Carllo Fuentes worked in the periphery he was very close to Ernesto Fonseca Carllo and well he was there in the danger and Chapo Guzmán but in a way but with another hierarchy at that time even more or Carrillo Fuente had more hierarchy Chapo Guzmán Chapo Guzmán It was a small piston, it was just really starting in this business.

In these businesses, there were the Arellano Félix brothers who were already in another, in another dimension, not like Caro Quintero, but they were in an even greater dimension than Chapo Guzmán and that the eldest saved, so let's talk. That I really have no doubt that Rafael Caro Quintero Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo and Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo had a great influence in these great fields that we have today ok moving on now yes to that historical interview you had with Rafael Caro Quintero first question In that sense, as far as the character is concerned, I had the opportunity to also interview Jesús Lemus, who was imprisoned and who had to live with the character of Rafael Caro Quintero and from the whole range of fields, how did he have to be pink during The time he was imprisoned, he introduced himself to me and pointed out to me that none of the camps that he met and was as powerful or was perceived as powerful as Rafael Caro Quintero.

What was your perception of the character 30 years after being imprisoned in two or three prisons? maximum security what is your perception of the good character regardless of the fact that the place where the interview takes place is an absolutely austere place it is practically a dilapidated place I would not even call it a safe house it is really a room with a couple of beds it is a very austere home and even he was dressed in a very austere way I remember very well that he was wearing black shoes that were absolutely worn out. I thought it was funny, a peculiar passion because it was like a metaphor for this man who is fleeing despite all this when shaking hands and he looks you in the eyes and stands straight, there is not the slightest doubt for me from my perception that he is a man who exudes power, he is a man who is known to have had power or that he has it, but he is a man who is At 63 years of age, he is absolutely upright and perfectly maintains his figure.

He is a man who measures more or less 180 meters tall. He is a man who remains slim. his presence and although he walked in a modest manner he was perfectly clean, no and then we are talking about that if all these gestures, his way of looking is a man who holds the gaze, he is a man who does not evade questions, he is a man who, shaking hands strongly, is a man who can't raise his voice like he did on many occasions in the interview because there are some questions some insistent questions or he liked them but even so he was never threatening however you could perceive that ok Anabel let's take a break and when we'll come back with you you are in perspective here on breakeviento tv nothing more and nothing less although with anabel hernández we return to me you no no ah ah or no ah ah or or no 4 ah or thank you very much for continuing with us we are in perspective chatting with the journalist anabel hernández who has just conducted an unpublished interview with

rafael

caro quintero anabel regarding the character and the interview that you carry out, it suddenly draws attention that rafael caro quintero has agreed to have the interview with you, what do you think it is due to?

Suddenly I may also have the impression that the character is exposing himself but in order for him to have reached that exposition in the interview he expresses some reasons from your perception and from what he tells you what is the reason that forces him to agree to give your first interview after 30 years and with you with the magazine process because you accept it well of course upon having the news that this interview was finally confirmed and that it was going to take place obviously I asked myself all these questions not what they are in that I could I am thinking of a man who is a fugitive and who at this moment in these days is in the eye of the hurricane and well I must say that it was me who put him in the eye of the hurricane and I understand that that is why this interview between him and me and that's why he decided to give it to me.

I had just published a report at the end of June, one year after the attack on Chapo Guzmán's mother's house occurred. that he was behind this attack on El Chapo Guzmán's mother's house and that he had started a war against the Sinaloa cartel, he reproached you in some way for publishing his new hair, he was very happy Not with this and what I told you, well sir, you will have seen what the prosecutor of Chihuahua said and what the general of arts of the military region said, this is not the version or the story, a story from a journalist, it is a official version that is there and I obtained it exclusively but as the first piece of news it was the first journalist who published it but it was a little difficult for me to understand this is not a personal matter this is a matter of investigative journalism point no so if there was this type of reproach and it is clear to me that this is the same insistent reproach, he made it clear to me at the end of the day that this was his greatest priority, his greatest priority were two things to say, I am not at war with the Sinaloa cartel, I am not allied with the take her away. neiva and I am not at this moment I am not I have not returned to drug trafficking it seems to me that the two key things that seemed to concern you remain and that was it seems to me that this is what the whole interview and it is not a minor matter because it is a matter of life or death yes, but there is, for example, everyone from your perspective, his biggest concern was that the Sinaloa cartel considered that he was entering again, getting in there, that the Mexican government put even more pressure on the US government of those elements that contain that interview what how good it could also beimmolation in some way because it puts the spotlight on your assessment again.

You are telling me that his biggest concern was that the fields considered that he was once again entering the game. the sinaloa cartel of sub throughout the interview it is evident that the He talks about these three fronts that he has open. On the one hand, there is the US government that is looking for him, there is an absolute hunt against him, there is an extradition order, an arrest warrant for extradition purposes, there is the Mexican government that wants to look good. with the US government and who in turn wants to arrest him because supposedly he still has twelve years of prison left, like even though a court Olivera, the Mexican government puts pressure on the court and the court slips and now Klein tells here the story that a no, no, we were wrong, it was 12 years away, come back again, it is not, it has its two open fronts, which in itself is a battle, and apart from the third open front, the Sinaloa cartel will really think that it was starting a war.

Against them it is an explosive matter, he encourages questions. My perception is that he could probably answer something else but my perception is that within these three fronts that the US government has open, for me, from my perception, this interview was more the message to the Sinaloa cartel that to the US government of Mexico from my perception and speaking of the US government caro quintero insists and insists I believe that on two or three occasions in asking for forgiveness from the government to the US to the dea already in the family of Cal Marina and he throws a piece of information there that I don't have verbatim that I'm telling him with my full voice, don't kidnap him don't torture him don't kill him if he was there but I didn't kill him and when I get that approach and your next question of course It occurred to me why not ask who killed him which one was which one why not why didn't you ask that question there I did ask the question if the science question is obviously asked before going in there I always do it with all my interviewees not only with I did it with everyone, with Emma Colonel, of course, I spent hours first talking to her, she began to trust me, we looked each other in the eyes, we understood what the purpose of this is, and I did the same with him, then in this conversation, when he begins. informal of the record without a recorder without without without video he tells me this is that I didn't kill, that is, I didn't order it, it wasn't my idea, that is, I didn't have any purpose to me, he didn't care that the buffalo ranch was already there It was destroyed, nothing was going to give me back that and I asked him, of course, who it was and that's when he narrates that there is going to be a book about the case, he says that when the issue of persecution passes, when he has legally resolved all his pending issues that he is going to write a book he was going to tell that story and it seems to me that that is going to be an interesting story if I can imagine what he must reveal there of course I'm going to ask you the question did he tell you or not did he tell you he didn't tell me He said no, I told you ok, suddenly we have a character who turns around and says to your express question and says to Peña Nieto, we all deserve a second chance, what is your assessment regarding the perception or feeling that Rafael Caro Quintero has? with the government of Enrique Peña Nieto it is somewhat ambiguous because he points out that when the US government was pressing for extradition, three presidents denied it, three presidents have denied extradition to the US government, one was Vicente Fox - another was Felipe Calderón, but according to him also At the beginning of his six-year term, Enrique Peña Nieto denied the extradition, so it seems to me that he understands that he understands that apparently the state government of Mexico is rather under pressure and it seems to me that this message is, well, don't let yourself be pressured, no, don't let yourself be pressured because Extradition does not proceed nor does it seem to me that it is a child-like manner.

What does the fact that a character like Rafael Caro Quintero, who is released after 30 years, practically in prison, say to you, is visited or I don't know who visited? But he meets Chapo Guzmán and he meets Mayo Zambada, how is that? Look, when Rafael Caro Quintero just left, I started monitoring him, I always monitor these characters, the same with Chapo Guzmán, he is arrested, I immediately start monitoring what This is what was happening then, when they freed Rafael Caro Quintero, he immediately began to monitor what happened, where is this person who is doing what he is doing, what are his intentions, and they practically informed me a few days after he was released.

I had met with Chapo Guzmán and Mayo Zambada and well I was wondering why you don't have very confirmed information so it was an obligatory question for me. I didn't want to know well if this had happened it was part of these myths that also circulate and he tells me Well, yes, and they went to look for him or not, it is the one who went to knock on the door, they went to look for him, which in itself is a symbol, it is an important sign, not among these old rules of these bosses of these times that grow together, no.

For me, from my point of view, it is a gesture of respect, that is a caravan of respect, especially if we take into account that at that time both the Bath Zambada and Chapo Guzmán and Rafael Caro Quintero were opposed to the fugitive from justice, all with I have breakfast there with the compadre, his ladies because if this is a peculiar context, his backgrounds, I don't know if there is Anabel here, for example with the characters, I asked you at the beginning who Rafael Caro Quintero was in the dimension in that family tree where to place him on the route of the drug traffickers 30 years later you cannot place the character in the same place not at all where you place him as how you place rafael caro quintero 30 years later in

2016

after the interview you had with him well I would tell you where They placed him like this where they placed him now when when he gets out of prison and I tell you that I did not start monitoring I spoke with some people and some of them thought no one by the way said he is going to return to the business what they told me is that surely he could be a faithful of the balance because when during all these years that Rafael Caro Quintero this impression many large, very large fields fell I have loved Carrillo Fuentes Juan García Abrego died there is this Osiel Cárdenas Guillén there is Chapo Guzmán there are many many fields that Kaká that were falling and he He survived prison but outside the game apparently at least that is what he claims then when he leaves but he has an advantage when he leaves he did not have his hands full of blood that is to say let's not forget that more or less from 2003 2004 a bloody war begins between the Mexican cartels due to the dispute over territories and many had casualties and all the families were confronted, even relatives remain friends with parents like the Beltrán Leyva 'El Chapo' Guzmán end up in a war to the death.

He was like a neutral figure so when he leaves What they told me, he can be a believer in the balance, he can be someone who can pacify things, he can be a mediator of this and let's not forget that when he comes out, apparently the blue one Juan José Esparragoza Moreno, the blue one Before, I had this figure of mediator between the cartels, apparently he had already died, according to what his own family says, so he seemed to be more common, like a negotiator between between between between the cartels, this is the figure, it is the image that he has given me now that I have seen it, it is more or less clear to me that he was very insistent in saying that he was no longer involved in drugs and his arguments do not seem vague.

Do you understand the arguments they present? It seems like arguments that could become credible for a while. On the other hand, a character infinitely better articulated than Chapo Guzmán, well it seems that if you compare the videos it is absolutely different, it is absolutely different. I don't think it is made by the variety of El Chapo Guzmán. It comforts him to see the two thousand. There is undoubtedly a bowl of the two videos compared. El Chapo Guzmán would be at a very low level because of his ability to connect words because of his ability to express, to look in the eyes, etc., etc., so this one, but well, I think that at this moment, Rafael Caro Quintero arrives, arrives, arrives, absolutely disconnected from his business.

Marijuana is a strong business. Today we are talking about marijuana being legalized everywhere. He says that he never traffics heroin and cocaine. Well, that's what he says. The truth is that he is not on the market today. The drug market probably doesn't know him. methamphetamines and all of these drugs in the stock market that are circulating and that are right now what is really strong in the Mexican cartels so it comes out a little bit of being disengaged but with one very important thing which is that he does not fight with anyone because he does not He participated in the war because he did not take sides.

I think that is why he insistently said in the interview that my respect is for everyone, even when I ask him what he thinks about the war. Well, I think it's wrong, but I don't know anything. My respects for all. Families, everything is marketing and on that point I am going to ask you the question that you asked him regarding what change in that code in those codes, what change that caused the flowerbed to break, well, not that the rule was broken. He answers in a very brief way, he does not develop the topic. I understand that the character had to be careful in his answers because one wrong step will lead to more charges and if they have him there in their sights, but from your assessment as a journalist and that you have worked on the topic.

What changed? There is a question that I asked him and reviewing the interview I think I should have gone into more detail on that and I must admit that I didn't, it left me and that's when I asked him what you think about this war between the cartels and him. He says I saw it coming while he was in prison he says I saw it coming 10 years ago and I asked him why and he said it was coming I saw it coming I must have existed well I saw it you could be the thermometer no I ask you about these rules not what his rules were when he was one of the leaders of the Guadalajara cartel, children were killed, women were raped, mothers in the fields were attacked, like now this matter of El Chapo Guzmán, which is unusual, absolutely unprecedented, and breaks a code that has never been violated before. and he tells me that it's good that things are being done that should not be done if codes that should not be broken are being broken.

I see it and I saw, for example, that interview, those interviews that came out when he was arrested and that he was already in jail in the prison and there is something there are some videos that cold non-ironic character well you see it you hear it and you can perceive it with a guy who could have easily annihilated and exterminated who knows how many people without an ounce of any nerve alive there but it has no position on the matter but well it is a yes without offices without the conscience you see the character not with the character thirty years later we were talking in another interview that tells you that it even draws my attention to the barbie when the barbie of As soon as it was said that in the prison he had already converted to Christianity, I don't remember what, in this case you don't see a guy like that, you see a whole guy in the case of Rafael Caro Quintero, but a guy who is firm in his approach in your conviction, do you identify any important distinction in this drug trafficker compared to those who are now among the fugitives and those who were detained, such as your perception of this character who talks about love, I don't know how you made him talk about love that he spoke about God the death of the death of fear and he is a manipulator who wants to demonstrate a sensitive part he is an honest guy who 30 years later saved from spending 30 years locked up no what is your perception as a journalist with that baggage that you have has its Well, I must tell you that as for being manipulative, I would say no.

I can assure you that no. I asked all my questions. He had no idea what I was going to ask him and I asked them when I insisted on some things for For example, with this I started to ask him about the god and he said either there is a cut in the cut no I told him no I want to ask these human questions when I asked him well what do you think what do you say to these guys who are likely to They are following you like a legend who want to follow in your footsteps no no no yes tell me tell me why they can listen to you and they can also listen to the other part of the story because there are many people who stay with their legend of if the super super this to practice attractiveness that seduced high society girls / sure or not this is because that is an example that anyone could want to follow not everything was very insistent, the truth is that many of these questions where he even ends up answering some human things were very insistent questions So I wouldn't say that there is a manipulation and that there was no manipulation.

There are things that one can believe and there are things that one cannot believe and that people do not have to judge. I ask the questions in the windows and answers to the people. It's up to you to see the interview to judge if he is telling the truth or not, if I said it from the point of view of judging whether it gives us the perception of a journalist, but I also understand that no, I don't want a table accent because I don't do it with anyone. Because it seems to me that when you are interviewing someone, if you as a journalist give your own perception, you contaminate the perception of others.

I would prefer that this interview be more vented, that it circulate more than people, others with their own eyes, not those of Anabel Hernández, ok Anabel. suddenly in this whole topic decaroQuintero, the Sinaloa cartel, I was also struck by the product that is not talked about, for example, about the Zetas, where is the Zetas cartel? I have raised it from this logic of that question of what changed in the 1980s and 1980s. nineties to today in what concerns drug trafficking, organized crime and the mushrooms play an important role in what also concerns these bodies hanging in this cruelty in this link go this tear that exists against civil society has not appeared for a long time good time the issue of the zetas in mexico and for example there is talk of the sinaloa cartel there is talk right now of caro quintero and in the case of the zetas it does not appear anywhere because you think it is like that well it seems to me that the government of mexico Enrique Peña Nieto - practically since he took power he talks very little about the cartels, he is not like Felipe Calderón who constantly had them in his speeches, he seems to distance them and pretend that they do not exist, as he almost acts crazy and thinks that in following I mention them, no one sees them, it is not evident that the Zetas, although Miguel Ángel Treviño Morales and Omar Treviño Morales, the two main leaders are in jail, it is evident that I have information, I have reliable information that Miguel Ángel still has a lot of power, he still has a lot of money. and he is still able to orchestrate some things with the Zetas.

Let's not forget that the Zetas are allied with the Beltrán Leyva and that alliance continues to remain. Even I would tell you and what I put in a report in the process that this is this attack on the house. Chapo Guzmán to the house to his mother Chapo Guzmán would have been part of the Beltrán Leyva together with the Zetas. Allow me to return to this interview with Rafael Caro Quintero. I am surprised and I don't know if you are too, especially being with him in that interview. It is surprising to perceive a certain naivety on the part of Caro Quintero in asking for forgiveness from the US government, the DEA and the Camarena family as if that were achieving something.

I don't know if he expects it or if he hopes that this perception is there and I'm sorry for the perception because I put that word again because no it is not something that can be said to be there if it is not something that you perceive there at the moment but I cannot understand that part it is too naive I cannot tell you yes yes yes yes it seems to me no because it is He repeated many times, yes, I ask for forgiveness and I ask for forgiveness, I am incapable of judging whether this is honest, there is no regret, if this is what I do believe, it is that the most likely thing is that the US government will go in through one ear and out through the other. another because the issue of camarena for the dea and the US government is a personal matter, I can tell you because today I have the sentence, I do not have the resolution in my hands from the secretary of foreign relations that the inegi just denied it just in December passed to the United States government, the extradition is given to Fonseca Carrillo for the same crimes. that the government of Felipe Calderón and that Peña Nieto Enrique Calderón is not a bad combination, holy for both of us, that the last names can be combined and you don't realize the number, Enrique Peña Nieto is so fragile, it is so chaotic, all these massacres that have taken place in these In these few years of the government, I don't think I can make many decisions, the truth is, and I believe that we are subject to this pressure on the one hand, and on the other hand, for the US government, it is a personal matter.

I recommend that the US should know that extradition is not appropriate because No person is tried twice for the same crime and that is what they want to do, but despite everything, they are going to be because it is a personal matter, I would even tell you that no longer, I don't care if they are innocent or guilty or if the order Or not, they are married to this story and they want him, if they could, they would crucify him in a public square. It really seemed like an almost irrational matter, I would say, on the part of the US government, so if it surprises me a little, I wonder if Rafael Caro Quintero understands what is happening.

Perhaps this plea is lost in nothing or if he really understands that there is no way to move, it is a personal matter that the US government has against him due to the issue of waitresses. That also brings me to the character of Héctor from Relés or Reyes as it is. The retired DEA agent who has provided information spoke out indignantly when Caro Quintero was released but there is an indication that the person who murdered Camarena was the CIA itself and so that does not explain this resentment or obsession on the part of the government of The US, if anyone knows who murdered Enrique Camarena, it is the US government and this confuses, it was the CIA and yes and CIF or it was Caro Quintero for the US government because the obsession is there is a DEA agent that links another Another story, I asked him, also investigating this matter of Camarena, when I start investigating El Chapo Guzmán because with that I start investigating Caro Quintero, all this information comes up.

I published this in 2010, long before many other journalists, you have to understand that I will have to recognize that this CIA story and this is an issue that was settled for several weeks in a court in California in the early 90s and that is where that information was with a lot of witnesses and documents. I return to this information and I add it to my life from my book donations from the narco because without a doubt it is our dark episodes or not, for me the omission of Camarena is very dark, that's why for me when they meet there is no this statement of va to happen the interview for me was really essential to look at the privileged to be able to ask him k'ara k'ara k'ara caro quintero who killed him was killed by the cia I asked him if there was more than the charm because he sees reals he said and he tells me no no he doesn't see reality he's a liar I have another doubt if Rafael Caro Quintero says that he neither thought of it nor planned it nor executed it it's likely that he doesn't know if the CIA was there or not if it's really true or anything like that The thing is that in the California court there is all this evidence that we put aside what he says because it must seem like he is not saying very coherent things, but if we go to the files and look at the dozens of testimonies that were there, it is evident that put Camarena in it was people from the US consulate, there is not the slightest doubt about that, it is evident that there were gringo American people in Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo's team, there is not the slightest doubt about that, they were going to his safe house, they were there, then this one I I would say to you that I know the file, there is data that shows that it could have been the CIA that it could have been a plot that Camarena had perhaps discovered something that was bad that the others that he commented with someone else is a revealing piece of information, I don't know.

If it is your perception, the fact that Caro Quintero himself says that it was not the CIA, it seems to me that it works in his favor in favor of Caro Quintero because I could say yes, maybe he has elements of Vélez to say that he could have said anything else but he says no and for me the hard fact that Caro Quintero is also revealing there is that he says I kidnapped him I don't torture him I don't know if I but he was there and he tells why he was there he says he was going to meet up they sent for him because he had agreed to pick up some money from Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo to take it to a ranch take the money to a ranch he says that's why he was there and what was there so there are other questions that I asked him He formulated where he says why am I going to tell him lies, almost to close and with the scruple that I may have that I am not asking you some important question from your assessment, what are the relevant data that the interview you do with Rafael Caro reveals? quintero the interview itself the interview itself is that is the most revealing fact that he is forced to come out that he has risked you for several hours not your skin for me it is a rebellious matter a revealing that I continue to reflect I continue to reflect and I continue to reflect that what drives a man who could have stayed silent and said absolutely nothing that drives him to come out is really repentance to clarify that drug trafficking is not involved, clarify to save his life and say to the Sinaloa cartel, hey, buddy, I'm not involved in anything.

Not about this and that seems to me to be a matter of life or death because the Sinaloa cartel for some reason will think that if this is evident that it would be a brutal revenge not against Caro Quintero against his family because he messed with Caro's mother. El Chapo Guzmán is a big word, it's worse than having killed himself, some of his children paralyze her, his mother is everything more than anything else, money or a woman in the world, so it seems to me that this white flag of it wasn't me, I'm at peace.

I don't respect everyone, this is perhaps the most revealing part and it tells you about a name that is probably quite scary, Anabel, I want to thank you very much for the whole interview, congratulations for that interview and also congratulations, Dimayuga, which had to be miraculous and also for power in those conditions and carry out this interview congratulations to both of you and thank you very much for having accompanied us see you next time the perspectives the breakup tv and or you manage to be happy with little and light luggage because happiness is within you how to achieve anything this new an apology for poverty this is an apology for sobriety sensuality hypermarket technical of sex world and see sensuality hypermarket technical of sex send and see exposed hyper dimensioned hyper directed and personified and lost and but hormonal hyper predictable and see control active hypersexuality global sex marketing and sensuality hypermarket dignity of sex look repetitive network that goes from liberal and is banal and is a lie always directed to the same place always is the same or was that look yawn when you start chatting everything is the same nothing is real asks Your role sunbathes better preserved in formaldehyde cool and follows the wave is your role to do it well I think I who loves lingerie and deep down a taboo tell me that your skin is my turn to opt for our intellectual florida would injure the princess manga that gets off I was sitting in your chair listening to reggaeton like your mouse with a ball condom my mouth that touches you does not cause bad weather and sensuality and marketing of sex and sensuality and losing singing in world sex the sexual revolution This manual was endorsed, the nob is the real focus, even the wolf is always the same and always looks at the same place, that's why I'm going to become a hermaphrodite or asexual, this is not my place, there is no reality in freedom, there are no people truly enjoying it, but this me I stay and I am a medium and I am your medium object I am know your medium but object that there is a way to stop being an object and own means by letting go of my face it is time to take off our masks so many goals are the goals of the prophets of the most open folders and although it was more in the interviews maybe it comes plastic bodies coming out of the operating room synthetic brains put explicit sexual rhythmic gymnastics between no automatic pass but take it away take it off above all I'm lightning I am I don't know it's my fault I'm not afraid of chickens, I'm not fooled, it's a joke, all the clubs with electronics inform about the bite at school, I'm so bored with the mud churro that pant like a doctor's dog no development follows more or less strong symptom at this time and sensuality than having each line of sex very al ibex sensuality inter world sex market world sex decime in the record in the existing until now without having yet fulfilled three times and 93 these are Andrew for 23 pesos yours o o well in Mexico human rights are violated by violating the law in the US human rights are violated by implementing the law