Neville & Carragher debate the GREATEST English team of all time! | Monday Night Football

To

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we have the task of trying to determine who is the best English club we have ever seen. Obviously we've had to try to establish some criteria because this being Monday Night Football, we want to try and make it as statistically based as possible, so first of all, before we add to it, look at the contenders that we've chosen, we've chosen a three-year period for these

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s, explain the three-season period, explain why that's important, I think. Ultimately, I don't think you can be a great

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based on one season's accomplishments alone. I think you have to have some longevity in success and achieve over a period of

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I think three years is a fair period for the team to stay together and grow. old together managers changing I think it's a fair period of longevity that would be said to accept managers, particularly in the modern era, staying on the job for three years. I think it feels good and it was different many, many years ago. I think the reason for doing this is because Altima there is always that

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about the best team of all

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and it will always be subjective and what we are doing here to

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is subjective, but what we have heard in the last five years when the teams they won the Premier League is that you are going to dominate for years this could be the

greatest

team of all time this is the

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achievement of all time the Invincibles are these the triple teams you are pep guardiola's 100 point team is this you you're always in these opinions I think but just thinking about looking potentially you know what's the best of all time in a three year period.

What are you saying potentially Liverpool's minutes travel this season? Man City are doing well in the leagues and good, if they won the weekend cup. Even Levante's European Cup team in the FA Cup has something like eight of the last nine national trophies, that's also incredible, so I think it's fair and reasonable. Souls, but these teams in a three-year period also the two teams. We are seeing at the moment, it is a fair period, it is also a case of alcohol, are these teams the greats of the past, so we have had to select 12 teams, not including Liverpool and Manchester City, now we are going to get there to that a little later, but chronologically we started with the great Spurs team of the early 60s and actually had to set our criteria because of the points system we implemented here, without considering the teams before the Europeans. competition so the high clairvoyance side of the 19th century the arsenal side Herbert Chapman of the 1930s we are really talking about the 1950s onwards are we missing any of our twelve?

Do you think about wolves from the 1950s? Do you know the great team? In this country I think there is a Chelsea team that won the Champions League because that is an important part of our criteria, but it was not the V Chelsea team, if you will, and I think the first United teams of the early 1990s 90, which you know, won that. Fair Premier League and I don't even want to jump and Alex Figgis and almost look back as back then it was one of those two or three really big teams that he had in his ten year book, he never made it big in Europe, well our team .

I have been working long and hard on the criteria and points system we have agreed upon. I had a long meeting. Let me tell you, the European Cup winners are five points ahead, so more than anything else, why is it fair? It's the hardest trophy to win, I mean, it's been proven over many years, it's the pinnacle, you can always say that to be a great team, a really great team, you would need to win a league title, you would need to win consecutive titles. or two in three years, but you would also need to be successful in Europe, which I think is always something you would strive for to truly judge yourself as a great team.

I think the Champions League, the European Cup, is the top of the world. Cup of the club competition and deserves the highest point. I think the

debate

was whether there should be 5 and whether the Premier League or just one would be three. We said no. I think Alton we decided on five in the hope that we agreed on these points, which are the points. that we have awarded for each success is based on our agreement, we are bound, you are waiting, you are waiting towards what we believe is the only end of the club competition against the next one and then obviously towards the League Cups and the runners-up.

There may be a couple more questions people have about that, so let's get back to that: for a league title, three points for any other European trophy, that's more than the FA Cup and some might argue, Jamie, that the FA Cup was much more. valuable before the Premier League came along, going back to Gary's point about being you, you're harder, the reason is that all the teams are in the FA Cup every year so they have a chance, you know, in Europe every year, that's what makes it special. I think winning another European trophy is special and I will be honest when I go back to 2001 where we won the FA Cup and the UEFA Cup.

At that time, I just wanted to win the FA Cup. Here we had this. The foreign players wanted on the English team's European tour just want to be fake, all because that's what you dreamed of when you were a kid, but when I look back on my career, if you told me there was one of those you'd lose. or give away maybe the FA Cup because there is something special about you or you can know at national level anything you can win, do your best, we can even win a league obviously, but go to Europe and take your team, their teams, different formations, managers, cultures and Going there and winning a European trophy is special and there are not many plays with a European trophy within the North Face or Premon division because it is not easy to do, just to finish, you saw two points for be runner-up. a European Cup too and one point was for being runners-up in the league.

There are no bonus points for being undefeated this season. We couldn't get them to agree on that, but we'll get to that in a bit. A little later, now the guys don't know what the results are. They have decided on the scoring system. Now we'll apply it to those 12 teams you saw and a twelfth place is that great Leeds United team and a Don Revie who scored nine in our score. system, two league titles, runners-up too. I think it was a great year for Leeds and they were runners-up in a lot of things, really the brilliance of the gentleman.

I never saw them play, we heard a lot about them on the Don Revie team. I mean, I think they lost the European Cup well, I think in '75 against Bayern Munich, but that's somehow what carries it even though they want titles, as we just mentioned. I remember them a lot for losing and for types of important games. I think they lost a great final against Liverpool and 65 things, a famous one against Chelsea. I think they lost it was a really aggressive battle. A very aggressive match. A European Cup final as well, but being there or They're out, you know, during the 70s and Sarah is a brilliant team and hopefully we'll see next season.

The heart, I guess with the heart, they chose the right three years because it was a period to maintain success. Let's take a look at the next one on the list and in fact we couldn't separate the next two in terms of the point so the joint time in our rankings was first Manchester United and it was Sebat Sir Matt Busby's United Gary and tell us about The legacy that this team left is enormous in terms of the impact of not only the best Lauren Charlton of the team that defined a mistake in Manchester, but also the recovery from, obviously, the Munich plane tragedy, some of the survivors who They are still alive.

Obviously around manager Sir Bobby Charlton, although there are still a lot of academy players, Brian Kid, 18, Munk Union, so there are a lot of the values ​​of Manchester United today that are attributed to that period of ten years from 58 to 68. in fact, when I say many of the attributes of Manchester United, I mention all the attributes of Manchester United today, playing with the Academy players, playing with enthusiasm, you know, ultimately playing to win all the time, it's not some kind of style, that element of Maverick with the best and that. Academy element with Charlton and kind of signing players that you know at the time, it was a lot of money on Denis Law, all the things that today are a kind of tribute to Manchester United come from that period and it's also an English first team of a special era to win the European Cup, how significant it was, it was significant, I think when you look back at the history of Manchester United, Matt Busby took the bite.

United took English teams to Europe at the time, against the wishes of the Federation, the league, the FA, you know, you think. Now with the idea of ​​someone challenging what the organization or the FA or the league would be to be able to go play in Europe, it seems crazy that he had to fight to get his team to Europe and obviously suffered the tragedy that the Manchester United did in Munich in '58, so it was a pioneer, it was an era for Manchester United in which Sir Matt Busby was at heart a manager of the club for so long and began the journey that this Manchester United has sought modern.

Sir. Alex Ferguson, when he took over at Manchester United, just wanted to repeat many of the values ​​and principles that the club had previously achieved. He respected this history of the club, he was not intimidated by it and, in fact, improved some assets. Eve Mancine in terms of what he achieved, they are together you couldn't separate them with Aston Villa, another European Cup winner, that team from the early eighties that after the league title won and won the European Super Cup and they still sing about they. Well, they are still the famous banner, they are not the Earths and Peter, but they make the comment, they think beyond the goal, where is Peter, where this is something like that, but the early eighties team asked him, but I think that Ron Saunders passed away a few years ago.

Months ago a little legend in the Midlands managed a lot of different clubs there but it was actually his role or Aston Villa and the strange thing is that he just moved on before they actually, you know, got their hands on the famous trophy and were talking. and you came in, but he produced that scene, you think I think it was Dennis Moss when he lifted the trophy, another said Peter, raising the famous smoke for the scousers. There is something about what Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest did that almost defies the point. system that we have put in place because of the nature of the clubs, the fact that it was ultimately unexpected for these clubs to do what they did, I think even now we haven't even at least put the team in a few.

For years now, the wooden league is still considered the greatest achievement I have seen in English

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, but when we talk about greatness we have to talk about sustained success, but Villa Forest needs the achievements of Leicester a few years ago. Special mention because in the context of their achievements compared to the investment perhaps of other big clubs such as Liverpool United, Tottenham and Chelsea they were asked that they had much more difficulties, they did not have the type of tools and armor to be able to work. that these clubs need a special mention and it's not scientific, sometimes this when you're applying for these wing players and we'll come to Nottingham Forest and see how far down the list they are, but the next one is the oldest team on our list and that en On the Spurs side, we mention the best Bill Nicholson Spurs.

You know, going to the Spurs, you always hear about these names. League title. Two FA Cups. European Cup Winners' Cup. People also talk about how the style of

football

that this Tottenham team had won was a record-breaking winner. 11 games in a row at the start of the season and of course the first double winners of the 20th century, to be honest when I first started watching football I was in the 84 85 season with Everton and obviously that was ago so long, but When I was a child, I remember that team was talked about. I'm sure Howard Kendall talked about if they hadn't made it at that time, if he ever wanted the team to play a certain way, it would be the double team of That time I always remembered it vividly, I think it was what was known as not forget about hitting the pushing team, that was how football was described after he played and I think it wasn't just about winning trophies.

I think what they were was the real way they played football and that legacy probably continued for years where sometimes we would look at their plane, think it was a Tottenham player and maybe listen, I didn't see that team play, but maybe that will be resolved. that team game, I think Danny Blanchflower was maybe the captain of that team. I think Jimmy Greaves just arrived after the team won the title or maybe he was involved in some European 261 thing, but the double side of it was foggy so they made a big profit. like a great Jimmy Greaves just turned 80 in a big ask to get him, maybe Nathan maybe right but he's not a brilliant playable, like I said we don't know muchabout that team, but only what is conveyed when you hear where.

You know, Dad, how would you know how many Spurs fans have contacted that? On that same note, actually, Jamie, this one comes over and I used to ask older people about teams and players when I was a The guy from the Spurs 61 team was always rated as the best doing the double, as he points out, no It happened back then and they did it playing a special kind of football. He would also like to add a few others to the list. I don't know if they'll all be Spurs connections, but Jamie talked about the Everson team he grew up watching and they're actually next on our list in joint eighth place, Howard Kendall's team, two league titles in three years, Cup winners.

Cup winners won the league title with 13 points ahead of Liverpool and then nine ahead of Liverpool, but of course they would say they should have more points in this because they were denied the opportunity to play in European competition Due to the ban on English clubs at the time, what was that? What was so special about that since I did oh special jump? I mean, I think the Everton team and some teams in this place will get there later because we've done it over a three-year period. Someone said, oh, no. Let's forget that Everton won the FA Cup here before because we did it during the three-year period of the FA Cup and Evan missed two, so it's almost like a four-year period without Everton seeming to start and with that FA Cup final the FA Cup against Watford, that is.

The head to head game I remember ever watching is the Co final against Watford. The tuna victory book. We take it further. The best way to describe how good it was, like I said, was my scary season. watching football I think that's the norm, that the Everton team got 2/3 cup finals in a row. I used to think everything at Wembley went to Alton Towers, it was a day off you did at the end of every season, you know he took 85 is against Manchester, you went to that game, what's up? Man United was Whiteside I know so I was at that game and the next year it was Liverpool 86 so that's him they haven't seen this and you mentioned the European bamboo and also how close it is.

It was being in the double on 86 that could have gotten them off that list, how tight it was and that's what a lot of these big teams will do. They probably just lost help because the occasional little game here and there was even bigger, but the biggest compliment I can pay that team is that everyone knows I wasn't at the fan ball. If I still see some of those players in different roles or things, they are still heroes. I think heroes are really children, you still admire them. I told them how old you are and it would always be the same.

That was the 85 or 86 you need to dial in, Dad, you were telling me this is the time of your formative years too. I guess watching football. You would have seen Merseyside completely dominate my mid-eighties were absolute misery measured from a football point of view in Manchester because ultimately you want to join in and you always have the belief that this was going to be the year would finalize the last piece of the puzzle that you have been doing at Liverpool for the last 15 20 years this is this is the year they were always active in the transfer market Manchester United but Liverpool and Everton were just dominant absolutely dominant it's a bit Me I feel a little sad.

Somehow you're thinking about the eighties now. I'm not sad but nostalgic, looking back and thinking how good Everton were and you think you haven't won a trophy yet because it's been 35 years or something. When you look at them yesterday you think they were great times in some ways because you used to see the paddocks around the pitch at Goodison Park and you used to see the kind of swaying of the fans in those paddocks and you played at Goodison Park obviously. as a player many times as I grew up and there were really special moments to watch football on the ground all the time Old Trafford in the paddocks around the ground you were brilliant, it wasn't a great atmosphere I know. ultimately it had to change, we had to change the ground, we had to make sure that ultimately safety and more families came to the game now, but it was a special time to watch football and Everton in Liverpool was dominant At the time, he never thought about doing it.

I prefer any season, you were never going to win the league because you know once you get 10 or 15 games and it was like they were the best, they were always going to win it and they had the confidence and the belief if everything went to plan. We will only have three more years left in the Goodison Park arena. We should value each visit. Arriving at the moment of truth. Joint sixth place in London. Firstly, Chelsea during José Mourinho's first three years with consecutive Premier League titles. and the FA Cup, two League Cups, two Champions League semi-finals and they didn't score in our system during the week, this saying comes into play for me, that team was the best of all time, a defense like that has never been seen before nor will be seen again.

If we went up one and went up, the game was over after that, Joe has the best cocky, sparkly eye ever. I think that was the only period in my time at Manchester United where I felt like Alex Ferguson had to settle for two or two. For three years he knew that he was going to face the special manager, he was on a roll against a fantastic team and I think he had to sit back and play second fiddle to José José for a couple of years knowing that this thing couldn't compete. At that time, two or three came along, where the Invincibles José, a steamer from those early years were absolutely fantastic, we didn't win the league for three years, which was the longest period Sir Alex Ferguson has ever won.

The league at Manchester United beyond the first three years was at the club at the end of the eighties and you are right, I think that José, when he was one year old, will regret that period and it will be that he did not win the Champions League with that team that we all know. stories from the games with Liverpool and the kind of things he's still talking about, despite those games, he knows you know his legacy at Port or his legacy with Inter Milan, that team was probably definitely the same as those two teams. and should have won the Champions League book, he had the story of Liverpool against him in the semi-finals on a bit of an eel called bad looks and that Joe is a sailor on his team, but the thing is that there are fine lines between Racine It has been the great team and it is not the great seam that you have to win those games those great moments in the games that define if you are a great team the best team is not the best team and we will reach Manchester United 2008 at 11 in a minute where they lost to The Champions League finals to the greatest team of all time are the definition of the greatest team of all time, when you win those games and you are the right side of victory and Joe is a marine, you just couldn't get the right. side of victory in the big Champions League games in that period, which ultimately means that the East will take sixth place and not maybe two or one, perhaps it will be a similar story for the Arsenal team, which by course is better known as the Invincibles under our command and Venga from 2001. until 2004, two Premier League titles in three years, two FA Cups and you also played, both played against them, how do these teams compare?

Could you separate what Gaddy said about Chelsea and that team should only have the European Cup? It was that good and we talked about Liverpool and City now raising the bar to 100 points, raising it and qualifying in 1995 when Chelsea became that. I thought, how can you compete with that? And listen, we'd be involved in a semi-final, but that Chelsea team was much better. team than we were, but what was interesting was how good the Chelsea team was. I found it much more difficult to face the Arsenal team than the Chelsea team. When I played against that Chelsea team, I didn't feel like I was capable of doing it.

Go deep on the pitch when I'm facing that backside and sometimes I go into the game thinking your confidence would be a little bit low because you didn't feel like I can compete with them physically when you're playing against Manchester United. teams or the Chelsea team you felt like you were playing against players maybe better than your ball physically, you could run against it, you could jump as powerful as them if you wanted, she could compete with that Arsenal team and that's where it went, they became soft. and then you thought you could really compete with them, but then you knew that they were better players than before, but you didn't feel like you could get stronger by leaving them, they were powerful and I've always said that for two or three years. period where you know we were watching that was the best team I played against in the Premier League, it's all about your own individual experiences.

I feel completely the opposite. Planning is Joe, a team of Millennials Chelsea in the mid-2000s for us was suffocating. We couldn't play, it was very difficult to play against them, you couldn't play football, they deprived you of everything you wanted, they didn't give you anything on the field, it was or was a horrible experience that we all felt. when we play against ask the extremity at Sable's to give you a chance no, we are good, we had good success against them, I mean the semi-finals have been cooked at times and we had success against them at times in the league.

I never feared that I knew it was going to be a difficult match. I knew they were a great team. I knew they were great players, but because they gave you the opportunity to compete against them, I never felt like that Chelsea team was Joe's first two years. By chance, it reminded me that the Juventus team we played against in the mid-nineties was an incredible team, a bit like the Liverpool team under Rafa Benitez and sometimes, in the jarate, we found it more difficult against that kind of team. that what we did against the expansive teams, the expansive teams where they got punched, we found out that we found ourselves too difficult.

I mean, your problem in those games was that probably because of the nature of sharks you go up against them and you're going to try to beat them, yeah, whereas when we played shells we weren't trying to beat them, yeah, oh yeah, you try to beat us, yeah, we We bother if it was a small nail, we always play, we beat them at their own game, if you want. I think you were promising that it's those certain moments because you tried to beat old Joe, but as we win, we bring the knowledge to our top five, we're on a pretty big jump as we move up to fifth place in terms of our points and that it's Nottingham Forest, the team we've already talked about, Brian Clough's team, two European Cups, a league title and let's not forget that we also have to put this in context, which is even more remarkable right after winning promotion from the second division to the League Cups.

Also the European Super Cup and the League runners-up we said at the end because we don't know what will happen here, that some context would have to be applied to these points and I think this is the team for me that makes me feel very uncomfortable seeing them in fifth place For this alone, the scale of Nottingham Forest's achievement in doing so, but would they be better than the best Liverpool teams of that era? Probably not, but the achievement, the scale of achievement just takes some time. special men, has there been a better managerial achievement with no no no no doing what he did there in not in the forest?

I mean, I mean, I think the latest achievement of is the greatest achievement of all time in my opinion in the modern era in a warm season, this is a season because of the real money difference in scale between the soft city Chelsea United and Leicester, but I think looking at the achievements of Brian's club at Nottingham Forest, I think they are up there with anything you could want. but I don't think I follow it, so I think it's the only team that has won more European Cups and these titles in Europe, you know, it's, you know, something special, that's all, it's the closest thing we still have to the Liverpool teams.

There are still sighs left for Manchester United, so let's try to rank them in joint third place and start with Gary's 99 winning triples, three league titles in three seasons, do you think that's right? Gary, because obviously that means the other Manchester United. The team that won the Champions League in 2018 will be higher on the list. Yes, it is a good team. I think this team, to be fair, in a single season is the greatest achievement in the history of Manchester United. Forget it, I'm not going to compare myself to Invincabels. and everything else at Manchester United in our history, it is the greatest achievement to win the treble, but that team then disappointed for two years, after that in Europe we advanced three leagues in a row but then did not come back. back it up in Europe and that's the disappointment of that team because we didn't do it again and again and obviously Sir Alex Ferguson demanded and wanted dominance and we wanted dominance too, but we were beaten by Real Madrid. in the quarterfinals the following year and we came up short andyou have to get on with it again if you are truly one of the best teams you have done it again and you have done it again and the 2018 that has not yet been named I have always put that team above our team in nine this evening.

I have seen the three great teams united in this Alex Ferguson. I joined the team at the end of 94 95 and that was the end. of that great team I played in the '99 team and then I played at the beginning of 2000 seven eight seas and six and then I saw the emergence of that team to reach three Champions League finals to win three titles in a row to be truly a great team that only stopped becoming the best English team of all time without a shadow without the best team that the world has probably ever produced Messi Java in the ester ëtil for me I have always said that that team with Ronaldo Rooney Tevez Vidic Ferdinand Skulls Giggs ever van der Sar had eight to nine world-class players, so I have always placed that team above the 99 team, not out of nostalgia.

So many 90 fans like the 94 team better than the 99 team. It's nostalgia, it's pure nostalgia in my opinion. The 99 team was a great team, but the 2008 team eclipses it. I've always said, well, who are they together with? It's a Liverpool team, but it's Hansen Dalgleish's, Bob Paisley's lynchpin Joe Fagan, and it was extraordinary. successful three successive league titles, three League Cups, European Cup and in 1984, Joe Fagan, in fact, in his first year became the first English team to win three major trophies in the same season. How about? The interesting thing is that I think more so if you look back.

At most, a Liverpool fan, hundreds of fans who see the success of the 70s and 80s, they asked you the name of Liverpool's best team. I think a lot of them would pick that one because of the names you mentioned, so Dag Leach is the best, maybe the best player. or fool, the best striker, Souness, maybe the best midfielder, at least that central midfielder was sitting. Alan Hansen, a direct step up in the team, is perhaps the best centre-back, so those huge figures and, as I mentioned with everything before, because we have done everything. During the three years of this team I have missed our European Cup, which is the most important that can be won, which they won in a team when they finished fifth in the league that year, but still, you know, the teams in two competitions European Cups make you talk for a period of four years or three years.

We'll see what it was like that had some of the best players in Liverpool's history in that team and some of the most important characters, plus, that was the team that had just finished. As I was watching a football game start to happen and the interesting thing about that team is that it's not like John Barnes came along a couple of years later and you think of money as a nicety, the flying wing was like that. It was almost like a machine, really, in the sense that you know, you think about the midfield, you have a Galician warship, France or not, the wind is to the T, in every way, work hard, work, play with class, the midfielder plays and look what he did three leagues in a row, I think.

That's only been done once before, I think twice, so you could win a good amount. It was in Theity's Arsenal team, he may be here, but Chapman, I mean, at that time, yeah, at that time it wouldn't be like that, I think in the city. you know it was a great thing, but the city this year, could they? It's not easy to go that far once we go, you know, you understand, you know, Theodore never put it all together in this case, fourth league title, so to win three titles in a row, I can't include the European Cup or, in most from the circles, I think we delivered purely saved, that was the best book for them, it has not reached the top, so who will come second, will it be the other Liverpool or United, will it be Manchester?

United is the team that Gary Neville was, he was just talking about the team around Ferguson rebuilt that won the Champions League, three Premier League titles, a Club World Cup and a Champions League runners-up finish without that team. Barcelona that you were. Speaking of, do you think this might have been Seattle's best silver lining? Yes, because I think there were eight players. I would say that at that time van der Sar in every town Ferdinand Scholz Giggs Rooney Ronaldo Chávez. He could be put on any team. The world there was world class. I don't think they have achieved unity.

They have never had a team that had so many world-class players. And I look back at all the teams in history. Yes, of course, they have been world class. players in play until managing the performance, but having almost nine best in position almost in the world at that time was an incredible team and I saw it first-hand from the stands because at that time I was the captain of the club but I was injured and Los I was looking and thought, wow, I haven't seen the outdoors in two years. Rooney at the absolute peak of him.

Ronaldo at the peak. Tavarez at his peak. It's something that's talked about with the front three. Now, this is adding a different level. that the three forwards that we have now in the Premier League and there is a really high level that is a different level, it is up here and the best three forwards that I have seen are probably Ronaldo Neymar and Suárez Neymar and Messi and that is the only thing that What occurs to me is that I would say yes, you could go back to the eighties of Milan and the young Van Basten and a hole in those plays, but that for me was something special at Manchester United, it was impressive, something that Continental was.

It wasn't just something like that, it wasn't like we were in '99 as a British team, this was a truly international event. Design by design by faith in a recognized key. Your faith in me. I will come to conquer your faith in an open-air faith. on Rooney, faith in what you know sanam Vidic and there was always a moment for very little money in the January transfer window transcript, good recruitment, some good local players still in the West Brown team, it was a good experience but also an impressive game, and I think it's the great I think it's the best Manchester United team of all time.

One thing I had on that team. I totally agree and listen. They throw it at me all the time. No problem. We are on the verge of not winning the league. Steven or me. Gerrard, but you know how many teams there are in these great teams they were from the era of Josie's team, the incendiary team of the Invincibles, now this team that was young we had our best Liverpool team, that or wait or nine seasons that we have. one of the champions actually made it to one of the finals, we finished second behind that team, so talking about the second best team by our criteria of all time in English football, certainly since the 50s and that's the team with the that we will compete when the league and sometimes you think that your tonal teams just missed the European Cups in those were our times, but you were up against Alex Figs and United's best manager, Joe Cimmerian, you are the best manager of Chelsea and our men are the The best team of all time laughs at money, so you just cut my room.

Why wasn't it like playing for Man United? One move now, don't worry because Liverpool are on their way. Jamie, the best English team of all time, as chosen by Monday Night Football, is the Liverpool team. mid-70s with Bob Paisley in charge two European Cups two league titles the Wafer Cup and the European Super Cup the first English team to win the league in the European Cup in the same season and the first English team in retaining the European Cup. Do you feel good without a criterion? It's okay, of course it is, and I always felt like Liverpool underestimated me a little bit this year.

A lot of them, like I said, always take me back to the early eighties, there are a lot of followers now. You could say that in the early eighties they seemed to beat the Sorbonne team, they soon lost a gleech. Hansen may be better individuals, if you will, but I think there are only two teams in this group of 12 that you want. European compact on the ferocity of NOx and the Liverpool team. winning a back-to-back European championship just elevates you enormously. The biggest thing I don't like about this team in terms of achievements is the UEFA Cup and the UEFA Cup back then was almost as close to a European championship. club because it was obvious that the champions were there, but it was a common team deal many times you saw the team that you would win the league with next year, they would qualify for that UEFA Cup, so when they were actually in the Cup of UEFA are probably the best team in their country at that time or maybe one of the best teams in Europe, so that team of three European trophies in three years is what makes it incredibly special and I said, you know, Emmalin Hughes, is he there? man who lifts the European Cup may he rest in peace, but lifting it two years in a row I just mean it's a really special Bob Paisley involved, but like I said, I'm sure that in the pumpkin cheers debate soon on Sunday we'll both They are criteria To do that holy in Europe, I think the reason why he is Gary's number one in 2018 is not because he is the only one who wants to now and we are now seeing the difficulty that coaches have in winning the Champions League. for Pep Guardiola traveling to Bayern Munich with that great investment they had to try to wait with this great coach, City, the team that has achieved the most points to win consecutively the Champions League or the European Cup to achieve a team that wins. the league and come back the following season and motivate yourself to go again and win the league is something you can do again in Europe and win in Europe again.

Maybe you remember that you've played a season and everyone gets to know you all. They know the way you play and prepare you for the next year, like going and winning back-to-back titles. Facts about European Cups to keep winning over a sustained period of time and keep coming back as a motivating group of players. Once again, to me it is the true definition of greatness. Ultimate greatness cannot be determined in one season or one moment. It has to be determined over a period of time that we have chosen three years. I'm sure there will be some maybe people.

Even Graeme Souness says four years on the advice of, you know, I'm sure he's watching this, you know, at some point and thinking you're my team, maybe it was great and he could be right because ultimately you know if you choose four years. period, you might put that Liverpool team you talked about in doubt and as soon as we were there at the top we thought three years was fair in terms of the modern game in terms of looking back at the 50s, 60s and 70s and I may not have it right tonight, but there is a lot of nostalgia when it is an emulsion related to the opinions of what is the best team of all time, but you can't really attribute it to the achievements of what was there at the time and the best competitions and try to create apples to apples, you will never be able to compare times or similarities or who they were playing against, really the teams they faced and you know, with a team from Barcelona it stopped us from becoming the best email you can only beat. in front of you at that time and ultimately that Bob Paisley's Liverpool team did, by one measure, everything that no one else has done, like we said, the top ten, the reason we use the treble is because we want the goal of doing it. this was talking about the Liverpool team, I assume I am now Manchester City and the ball is in a position that we now did not want to do later in the season, they both did not win the Champions League at the moment they had in the course of June and the big ones and maybe being right in the draw is what they have done so far, not bad, is it like a star?

I mean, we could ship that in three years, couldn't we? As we move forward, we could potentially ship it well, yes. Out of the Champions League, I mean, if I think Liverpool's back-to-back Champions League finals, when I love a fool, I could go on and do the treble now that would surpass them in terms of a 99 team because it would be the Champions League. Champions. the only Chinese league last year and they were also in a final before, so these two teams in Liverpool at the moment in City are really very close to Julian if they win that whole season list that would take them to 21 points, so, What was the top of the classification? top second, so second to Ellis, yeah, I think winning, I think getting to the Champions League final and then winning the Premier League title, I think for Pep Guardiola and if we're going to attack him in a minute to get it back. consecutive titles and then came away with a Champions League this year, if he did that then he would put them among the best English teams of all time.

I think what's happened in the last few months, what would be a few months, is that we've started to hear about this is the best team of all time last season is the best team of all time that you have I think do it over a period of three years. I think what is here to achieve this moment is absolutely spectacular withPep Guardiola, but he knows more than anyone that he needs a victory in the Champions League just to cement that no one doubts that Pep Guardiola's Barcelona team is probably the best team of all time, three titles within the limits of the League of Champions in three years. year it was the greatest spectacle of all time to see that team and we both witnessed it first hand in terms of other spectators, we are seeing it in the stadiums, there will always be doubts when you do not win the titles that your football deserves and the rewards that you think you deserve because of the football you are playing, you have to win that title to convert people's minds.

I think this season City got some criticism because they are so far behind in a group, but can they still get Liverpool out of the European group? Yes, they can, because they have already hurt the elite. I said a little bit ago in the league this year, that would be the first time we really looked. I look at City. I have done. there, in Pep Guardiola, I mean, it is a terrifying reason to make at the national level the only team to win the national treble, she shows how to the Italians, if they could add in the Senate, they could add to them three the three cups, if It's like that. but say and leave the Champions League listen to the nail in the making of the League Cup against Aston Villa but the Champions League if they could do that that only defines this era of Manchester City of that period of three years of life Wow, that's what we did I'm going back to the 60s, they said whatever it is, the team always needs a European Cup and there is no chance that the teams at the top will be the ones with consecutive European corpses for Liverpool, which gives them 10 points. what you know puts them up there in our opinion puts them in second place, which will put City in second place. 21 points too, if they could win the lot, but I think what we saw there before at the end of the game coverage that was shown before about those back-to-back wins, what Liverpool insist they are doing at the moment is special and they are showing being of large size, there is no doubt that, regardless of points or not, only God would go up there. is the best of all time they have to go and win champion leagues they have to win consecutive leagues they have to go and do these things because other teams before they go and do it, the great Bayern Munich teams, the great AC Milan teams, the great Liverpool teams, they went and did it, they have the shirt, you have to go and do it, you can't just talk. about being the grace of these managers, they don't talk about being the best team, but talking about being the best team has to come with success and be sustained, so it has to eliminate all doubt that there can be no doubt about these things. be conversion to trophies trophies are the only thing that matters that's why we eliminate them all well if you don't if you are unbeatable points if you get 60 points it only matters if you have the medal around your neck you don't see it any points you have on the medal, it don't see me, you know how many goals you've scored, you just have the medal round drive, that's the only thing that matters and I think for these two teams that's what we're doing is really special, it's amazing, the best career for the title that I have seen in terms of quality last season.

You could argue that last season was a better achievement for Liverpool than maybe this season what they are doing in the championship is the last season with 97 points is how incredible it is that this season will be special for them because they are going to win the league and this is the only season in the league where people don't matter, there is no doubt that we are looking at two of the best. teams we've seen because we can see the criteria and actually looking at the competition you can't see anyone else winning in them that's the thing so you saw like the Corp league, Liverpool help in the FA Cup with the man you can.

I don't see anyone else winning, always talking. I am more or less the same in the European Cup. I've said for the last two or three years that the two best teams in Europe are the two best teams in our league, so that's the point. smoke, you can't see where else he will win, so you think that at the end of this season these two teams will be there in some capacity, but only the next few months will determine the end. Will you ever get bored of hearing Gary Neville praise Liverpool so much? It seems like it's been a long time, what we hear a lot today and we need to be careful, this will dominate for years, they will do this for years, let's calm down a little, let's know if they go away. and dominating for you is great, but let them do it first every time a team wins the league and here of dominations is going to begin an era of this is going to shake when they asked Josie Mourinho to carry it when they asked some of Van Gogh, so Joseph was in Chelsea in Aspen are some angles that ask, it never happened, it never happened, a couple of years and that was it, they were solid.

Ferguson dominates him, but in 15 to 20 years he rebuilt three teams. An incredible team. He did it. He dominated London. Liverpool. The seven mastered nothing. Over a long period I think City over the last seven or eight years could write it off and write off the development of dominance because of what they have done: winning the league with Roberto Mancini Pellegrini now twice with Pep Guardiola four times in six seven years winning League and FA Cups. Cups, if they could add a Champions League to that, you could call it an era of domination, yeah, well, Sliver Pill would have to do that over a period of five, six, seven years to call it an era of domination, and that's still eleven days left for the city of the team of the decade.

I don't think they were, but they need that European Cup. You just told him that you have to see Sir Alex Ferguson dominating at home but not abroad. This debate can go on and on. I am sure it will be so. with you too, let us know what you think at Sky Sports M&F and we'll revisit this later in the season, especially if you have your own ideas about how we should judge these teams, but as things stand, 1970s Liverpool is the best. The team we have never seen in English football.