More secret tapes prove Post Office boss briefed on system backdoor

Channel 4 News has obtained

secret

recordings indicating Postmaster General Paul Venel was informed of allegations that the sub

post

master's accounts could be accessed and changed without their knowledge. Yes, she got everything the way I tried to inform her. Because I have evidence that you know there is a problem, she knows it the next minute. These recordings from 2013 have never been broadcast before and reveal how much Post Office executives knew about the allegation as we mentioned it. For her, it's okay, we've spoken to a man who was shown how it all worked by Fujitsu's so-called black ops team. She tried to report that the

post

office

denied he had been there.

We shouldn't have had to put up with this. level of oppression and this is why I hope they can send back Mr. Rodin's wife the day after his visit she was accused by the post

office

of stealing thousands of pounds from her own branch Susan considered uh and contemplated suicide, the The risk was very high that he would overdose and commit suicide. She was so depressed. Why did my wife and children have to go through this? This is so close to one of the central themes of the complaint last week. This program was the first to broadcast covertly. recordings at the heart of the post office scandal tonight you will hear what post office

boss

es knew and how they would cover it up.

Postal union representative and deputy postmaster Michael Rudkin is shown. Fujitsu's darkest

secret

at the heart of the giant post office. Scandal, a moment featured in the recent ITV drama. Meet your friendly black ops team. My companion introduced me to those who remained as the black ops team. She said the words: This is the black ops team. Yeah, what did you think when she said that? Well I was amazed before his eyes, they changed the accounts of the deputy postmaster without them knowing that he altered the figures of one of the branch accounts in an active terminal in the boiler room of the Fujitsu headquarters.

I asked him if he had just altered those figures and if this is real. The time the answer was yes, I said, are you absolutely sure? Yes, this is real time, it means I can sneak behind your back, switch fingers, and get out without remote access to Trace in the drama he's shown reporting to the subpostmasters campaign group. Their union had been told categorically and secretly that accessing the subpostmasters' accounts was impossible. Realizing my disdain for what I had just witnessed, they

more

or less took me upstairs and pushed me towards the door as if I were a common criminal trying to blow the door up. whistle, no one heard, the post office denied it had been there, but four years later, Ron Warmington, the forensic accountant is investigating the subpostmasters.

Michael Rodkin can now drop the bombshell on him and send Ron an email proving that he had visited Fujitsu. This was the evidence. that we were all looking for The Smoking Gun and to me there seemed to be a long period of dead silence to which Rep. Ron responded oh my God, they're in a world where the heart of the Scandal is now being secretly accessed. Undercover recordings of the deputy postmaster's accounts now reveal that Susan Kryon, the post office's top lawyer, twice admits that

boss

Paula Venel has been

briefed

on the Brel Co. operations team.

Ron Warmington warns that Paul de Venel is about to be questioned by the MP who is campaigning on behalf of postmaster James Arbuthnot, what if Arbuthnot starts asking about the sting operation in Brachnell that Rudkin has witnessed? And then if James says something like um and where are you in this statement about the Brachnell black ops team um uh just as Rodkin mentioned? Well, look, that's a specific case, yes, as long as we finish the investigation, yes, as long as she doesn't come back and say look, you mentioned this Brel problem, what is she talking about?

Oh, we've known about it for you know, two months, um, we know that she knows about the accusation, oh, okay, we're working on it, that's right, so, well, well, well, we've mentioned it to her. Okay, that's all very strange, so Paula Venel knows about the Bratel cover-up. accusation she knows they are working on it everyone thinks it is very strange and we find out that the boss is always informed immediately she has everything the same way I have tried to inform Pauler it is as soon as I have evidence that you know that there's a problem she knows it the next minute since you know Michael we have the recording so let me play this so you can see what you think about it if James says something like and where are you in this statement about the ops team brell undercovers um uh, as Rin mentioned, what does that make you feel the moment I first heard it it was euphoria saying that Rudkin you were right and the second is sadness thinking why my My wife and my children have to go through this, but all those years, all those years, they didn't, we shouldn't have had to endure this level of oppression and that's why I hope they send help back to me the same day after he left.

For Brell, he woke up at home, an auditor was in his room accusing his wife Susan, who ran her post office, of an accounting deficit of £44,000. Susan considered and contemplated suicide. The risk of him overdosing and committing suicide was very high. so depressed that she says she wrote to paula venel about the brel operation 15 years after auditors ruined michael rudkin's life venel wrote this to the business select committee about a time as post office boss. I raised this question repeatedly both internally and with Fujitsu and was always given the same response that it was not possible to modify the branch records remotely without the knowledge of the deputy postmaster, but she confirms in that letter that this information was very inaccurate. , but back in 2013, even as lives were being ruined, Post Office executives know that the forensic accountant's investigation raises the specter of a serious miscarriage of justice, but they order ENC's accountants to leave it alone, They say that's what boss Paul de Venel wants.

I had a chat with Paul before and we've had a couple. from chats this morning, so she agrees that the original scope of the investigation didn't go as far as to look at whether it was Justice Point's miscarriage, so that's not what she's looking for, she's looking for the

system

atic or

system

ic rather non-systematic systemic weakness in the Horizon system, but not like I said, it doesn't move on to the next point about whether or not it caused a miscarriage of justice or a suspension of the deputy postmaster because I think that was once you found it.

It is up to us to look and see what impact it could have if that happened evidence that the post office knew about a possible miscarriage of justice in 2013 evidence that they ordered accountants not to investigate it even two years later this is what venel MPS tells us and if there had been any miscarriages of justice, it would have been really very important to me at the post office that we actually disclose them, whereas the post office certainly closed the accountants, they fired them, but now in 2013 the post office had declared the war on a second front attacking the troubled MPS for seeking the truth about subpostmasters who were unfairly prosecuted across Britain.

The recordings

prove

that post office executives wanted to shut down MPS and make the need to somehow have a plan to shut this down go away. process, I mean even to the point of preventing MPS from sending cases now, um, but then how do we close down the MP side of the process and what would work for MPS and what could be sold to MPS and how quickly can we do it and specifically? Make people like James not disappear, so is there a way? And I'm thinking out loud. Here, is there a way to close MP's cases and make James and his friends happy so they can just go away? basically back at ibstock on leerer Michael and Susan still live near the post office that the post office took from them by mistake during a 15 year nightmare and he also joins those demanding that the police act now instead of waiting years for the public inquiry to conclude that it is It's not just us who are affected, it's the whole family the way you are rejected within the local community uh Whispers there is no smoke without fire and uh Susan's reputation and mine just They crawled around and I can't understand for the life of me why it's taking the Metropolitan Police so long to get on with this.

Someone has to be held accountable. MPs from all parties are also demanding police act now, the Post Office and Fujitsu declined to comment. In this report, the post office says it is committed to finding the truth. Paul L. venel Susan kryon orn lions and Simon Baker did not respond next week. Post Office public inquiry resumes for ibstock as across UK long process to uncover truth but Another delay in delivering Justice