Molly Mae: How She Became Creative Director Of PLT At 22 | 110

I spend time with my boyfriend and go to bed. That's actually my life and I'm not worried about the social life. It's never been something I've been interested in. I don't know if you like it. I don't know if you know but I don't really drink. I don't party. I don't go out. But that's just because I don't really enjoy it. It's not for me. I'd rather focus on making money. to be successful and happy, that's friends, they come and go, and I always find it a better waste of time than you not doing it. You don't actively want to have more friends, no, yeah, no, it takes a long time, like trying to make people happy, like I've lost a lot of friends, but since I left Love Island because I don't have time and in the end I'm just saying, You know what it sounds like, I prefer to focus on the things that are really going to elevate me and it sounds wild, but sometimes friends just don't stick with it, but they don't add much, yeah, and that sounds a little bit. wild but no it's true and especially when you evolve as a person sometimes I think you lose what made you resonate with certain people yeah yeah 100 well I'm not that Hitchen girl anymore and you know I'm not that young girl I was a lifeguard hitchhiking at the pool, so it's not me.

I'm living a completely different life in a different world now and a lot of my friends can't relate to that and even though I. I'm still the same person, my life and circumstances are so different that you just do it naturally, people just fall apart don't they, but friends never have. I've never needed many friends. It's something I've never needed. I really need it and people realize that very quickly, they just say you have a very small circle, a bit lonely, but I like it. You know, I asked that question partly because every successful person. I've sat here and she doesn't have many friends, no, and you know, I was actually having a conversation with one of the previous guests on this podcast and she has two and a half million followers on Instagram and last night she told me that she has a friend. as a boyfriend, yes that's true, she literally said that I have a friend and he is my boyfriend, yes that sounds good to me and sometimes it's strange because when I ask you this question I feel very uncomfortable, yes when I first said it and I was like, "Oh God, no, I don't know, but yeah, it's weird because you don't want to sound like you don't have any friends because then people think you're probably the problem." You know me like you're pushing people away, but it's not like I don't have the time I want.

I would really prefer to spend time with Fran because we are friends and we talk about work and we understand, you know, we make money and then I spend time with my boyfriend because he is amazing and you just don't need to force the conversation, you would have to go to dinner and split the bill, it's So. It sounds terrible, but I just don't have time for it. I'm lazy. Has it become difficult to trust people? Especially after learning about your meteoric rise in the public eye. Is it getting harder to trust? Yes, people did it because there.

Do you know people well? Sometimes people are in it for themselves, they are trying to sell things on you or they are trying to take advantage of you. Yeah, I've been pretty blessed with my rise because my circle has always been small, I haven't really had to interrupt people because, you know, they sell stories to the press, I've never had that, I mean, I know about everyone. ways, um, I mean, yeah, but um, yeah, I mean, you have to do it. Worry about who's in your life because I think Franwise tells me this, she's like you just think you're still that 17 year old girl from Hitchens, sometimes you're not and people will come into your life for the wrong reasons but I think .

Sometimes I'm a little naïve about it and that's another reason why I keep my circle so small because it's different now. I think it's hard to trust the people I am. I was looking at something you said about how I've been very open about sharing the ups and downs that come with your meteoric rise and the publicity and being in the public eye it's very easy to see a lot of the clear advantages, the good things, it's like the general sense of I would say you like the freedom of choice freedom of choice in your career and things like that, but what are some of the similar tradeoffs of that success that you think?

Oh that sucks, well there's a lot I've obviously dealt with. a lot in the last two years in terms of being trolled extremely badly, I mean it's like a cliché topic and I don't really talk about trolling much because I feel like it's the only thing people talk about on social media these days. trolls and trolling and, but yes, it happened very badly to me and there was one time we went to Barbados to film a campaign for my fake city business and we were followed throughout the trip by paparazzi that we didn't even realize and They were doing passing architectural photographers in front of this building and at one point I thought that guy was taking pictures of me, but I thought no, he was taking pictures of the building behind me.

There is no way in Barbados that they are. They were going to take pictures that afternoon anyway. I stood in this white bikini as if it were the most horrendous photos in my eyes and actually called the daily mail. I talked to someone in customer service and I just said this is money you need to take those pictures down now like I was crying hysterically which I was and this poor person in customer service was probably like what's going on and I was just yelling on the phone like please like you've ruined my life look at the comments under that picture please delete them and it was like when I look back now I mean I would never say I've had a mental breakdown but that was close because I just went crazy, I was like screaming on the phone that this customer service staff couldn't do anything about it, but to me I thought this would make it better, that if they took them away everything would go away, but that was like a moment really very short for me um probably like the shortest coming off the show it was horrendous it was just horrendous like people called me fat um overweight and I'm a size eight so it bothered me so much to think that If people call me fat you know a girl , a very normal size 10 girl, what are they going to think?

If they call me fat, it's heartbreaking and I think I'm over the whole trolling thing. Now that I'm very good at dealing with it, I thought I had this approach that if it doesn't matter, that people can say whatever they want to say, these people are really so unhappy in their lives that they try and bring you down and it's very sad, but you learn to deal with it, it's just a part of this and we've really learned in terms of how we are, we're always under dad's watch now and if we go on campaigns like we literally have someone whose job it is specifically to watch over people who take pictures so it doesn't happen again because it was bad enough that for me those daily email comments were actually successful, it's just vile, I remember when it was announced as a dragon in the dragon's den and I don't look at the comment sections because I really don't It bothers me, it's like it's not going to add anything to my life, but then my family called me and said, "Oh my God, those comments are mine." Mom doesn't like racists.

I'm like, don't look at them. My mom does that to me. She goes. Have you seen the comments in the daily mail? I'm like mom, why are you telling me that? Do not look. I'm not looking, so neither are you, I just leave it, but yeah, I think they're obviously just looking out for you and don't understand that you're probably just trying to avoid it, that's a pretty extraordinary way to live, right? I'm talking about, you know, being on vacation and having someone watching someone and, um, you always have to be nervous, yeah, you have a title, you're always on that edge and it's a weird way to live, but it's become normal. now that two have passed. years and a half and that was very early in Barbados, I think maybe three months, four months after I came out of the program and it was okay, this is how we should live now, this is how we should do things and it's just been the same and having an amazing team also to protect you is I'm very lucky for that because I couldn't do it alone.

You're really vulnerable, it's a very vulnerable job. um and yeah maybe posing as photographer architects like there's snakes everywhere yeah man before we started filming Fran your manager told me that you're a bit of a perfectionist and that you worry a lot about getting everyone the details are right for your clients, but throughout your life in general, so I guess my question to you is how do you do that? How dare you say that you care about the details and at the same time maintain your peace of mind? I mean, it's compartmentalizing, it's like I don't really disconnect.

It's almost like it's embedded in my mind, it's 24/7. I'm always thinking in my mind how everything I'm doing affects my job because that's my job at the end of the day. like i'm

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maze loves me what makes me my income it's not like i go to work and i come back and off i'm 24/7 on my phone so everything i'm doing, all I say is a story post that takes two seconds to publish. Everything I do affects how I make money, how my audience perceives me, so I think it's like I don't know, it becomes one of my lives, it just sounds chaotic. true, and I also seem to find it quite remarkable based on people I've talked to who live similarly, who are very neurotic and who are always one and always thinking and then, yes, they are in the middle of the social media instant . feedback bubble, yes, how would you avoid being anxious?

And that's inside that cauldron. You really just have to accept that Instagram as Instagram and there will always be that one person on Instagram who doesn't like what you're doing. I have 6.2 million followers, it's impossible to please everyone, so I really had to understand that you know everything I say and everything I do, not everyone is going to like it, no matter how much I wish they would, because that I would put my Mind at ease knowing that everyone loves what I am doing, there will always be that one person who hates what you are doing and hates you, so you have to understand that Instagram is very superficial. and it's just a real highlight, that's why I love my youtube too because I feel like my youtube is behind the scenes, you really get that bigger picture, you see the bad things that are happening in my time and I'm like, you know what?

I guess I don't want to back it up, but I think that's why I have such high engagement on my Instagram, it's because my followers see me on YouTube when they see that photo on Instagram and they think we know that she really hasn't had a good day. , we know she's, I actually talked about a few months ago that I wanted this really amazing job opportunity and I didn't get it and I'm very transparent like today was shit. I cried today like Today I got my period. I feel very bad today. I'm actually very transparent, so I think when they see that photo on Instagram they know if we want to see a little more realistic side. here we'll just go to our YouTube and take a look and I love that, that's why I tell all my influencer friends to start YouTube start YouTube if you want your engagement to grow if you want your audience to fall in love with you.

If you want people to understand you more, you have to start YouTube because Instagram is nothing, it's an image, I post an image a day, what is someone going to learn from that image? Nothing is YouTube, where they learn, that's where they interact. and understanding you and believing in you and that's the depth, yes, it's as important as I do with YouTube because I love it, I still edit all my own content, still yes, I really love it, in fact I find it. um therapeutic editing of my videos and I love when I finish editing a video and upload it.

I love that feeling that I just created that and it's bigger than just editing an Instagram image and putting a color tone on it and putting a filter on it. I've spent time developing that video and you've created it and millions of people will go see it and spend their 20 minutes of their day watching that video that you created and I love that feeling that's really special and I've had so many video editors saying "I'll do it" and I would never give that job to someone else, one of the things I find really fascinating is the link to what you said there about being very honest and open with your audience, but at the same time, if we talk about things that seem who don't marry together or who feel that the contradictions are so you rise and rise and rise and as you experience more material success and can buy better things, you become less relatable to your audience and this is something you think about because the girl you know He is 16 years old at the moment and lives in Hitchens. looking at yourself and you realize that you're apparently getting further and further away from being, you know, it's a very interesting question, even when you say that, so I thought that was a really valid point and, in fact, I'm not wrong.

I'll be honest, I see comments on my Instagram saying, "You know, can you do some more streetwear this week? Can you talk about more streetwear? Because don't forget, in those 6 million followers there's a wide variety of There are people, there's that 45-year-old mom who lives on food stamps, you know, and she doesn't have any money andwants to see me post really normal things, but then I probably have another girl following me, an 18 year old girl, that dad. finances their life and they want to see how glamorous it is, it is such that it is impossible to cater to everyone, I try and as I thought, as you say, my life is changing so much, I still try to be as relatable as possible. and I do, I would say I'm still extremely relatable and again, that's my youtube, I post yeah, all these amazing things that I borrow from my Instagram and I've kind of stopped doing that now, but well, oh, because yeah, okay, yeah, but um, i.

Sort of, that's my YouTubers again, I'm there, I'm on a vlog, I could be saying, oh, I just bought this new watch, it's amazing, it costs x amount and I'm having a really great day, but it could also be . Say, oh, you know, I've said it, I just had a big argument and I left the house. It's in a vlog. I try to maintain that balance as much as possible so I can not do it because I attend. for everyone it's just because I'm like that life is like that you know when you're honest one minute something is really cool the next minute something is really and that's how it is and I guess there's two forces there really because I think if I was um well, neither even, but if I was following you it would be for two reasons that are right for me, on the one hand, it's an aspiration, it's, oh my God, look at this incredible thing, all these incredible things that she has achieved and I really aspire to be there. day, but obviously the relationship comes from the fact that you're talking about how bad your period pains are and this problem with your boyfriend and those are things that we can all relate to, yeah, and then on the other hand, there's all these wonderful things that we can all aspire to yes and I think at the end of the day it's interesting with social media because a lot of people in your position wouldn't share the aspirations because they'll care too much about what people might say yeah.

Actually, I would say the opposite. I would say that I think many people share the aspirations, but they don't share the low moments. That's true when I look at people's YouTubes and see so many girls being like my life. It's so amazing and I do amazing things and I'm vegan and I eat clean and I go to the gym and they don't talk about the low moments and wonder why their audience isn't engaged, you have to be Honestly, you have to include those things that maybe they really aren't. you want to include but your audience will appreciate it because that girl is probably also having a bad day watching it so she wants to see you having a bad day too so she knows it's okay and that's where I think some influencers and some YouTubers fall off because they don't, they're not 100% honest, whereas I really am and I stand by it, so yeah, if you buy something really expensive, let's say you buy something really very expensive when you go to post it, is there a feeling of worry about it that might make some people feel like you know that fighting might make them feel bad or inadequate in some way?

Yeah, I mean, it's complicated. But it's hard to know what you're going to put out there, how it's going to affect people. You might think that posting about one thing will have no effect on someone, but in reality it might be all that person thinks about that day and is kind. Scary, it's a huge responsibility because I also have super young followers and I have to be careful. You know, I've recently been on a health journey. I have to be very careful when talking about weight loss and what I'm eating because you don't know what you're talking about, it's so impressionable and these young girls are so vulnerable again and I know when I was watching girls' stories on Instagram, I want I mean, I'm sure I'll talk to You'll talk a little bit about filler, but Instagram was the reason I ended up getting all that filler because I was looking at these girls' stories thinking they had filler so I need to go get filler so that if I'm posting about you, you know a health journey. and I've lost a few kilos, I feel great, then young girls will go and think, well, I need to lose a few kilos, if Molly May has done it, so everything you say has to be thought out very clearly because it's you.

I have no idea how that little story will affect that person's day with everything, but there aren't many things where you just can't, you can't, there's no way to do it right, you can't control it. you can't get it right all the time I feel like there must be so many things that if you post them you'll come back because I experience it a little bit people it's fun with them with me me me and I I learned this again from my guests that I sat here with. I can get away for some reason with a bike with a lot more, yes they can, so I can post something and I'll usually get about 100 positions as a good example.

It was actually when I was in the gym a lot and I told Grace, who is on my content team. I'm going to post a topless photo and say, "Show my gym transformation before and after and Grace gets bigger." For me, like a lot of influencers who do that, they get criticized because you know what you're saying, you're saying six packs, yeah, yeah, I'm like nobody's going to say that in my audience, I post it, everyone claps. It's amazing, give us your advice, but it almost seems like a double standard for women creators and women like you.

If I look at it and think, oh man, you've got this, it's like a minefield. The correction, I know honestly, but that's another reason I'm staying. silent on many things that I don't know, I am often afraid to speak and even on Twitter I stopped using my Twitter because everything you say like you I remember that a few months ago I went to Italy for a trip and I mentioned that I didn't like the food in Italy and the way I phrased it probably wasn't like that. I probably could have worded it better, but I was trending on Twitter for four days about how I said I didn't like it. food in Italy and I was literally having a really hard time.

I thought I couldn't deal with this, like I made a comment that people didn't like about ice cream in Italy and I'm literally It's trending and I'm getting death threats for it and it's very, it's very close to how I want to say , I always say how when I don't have a scandal for a while, I'm thinking that God's scandal is coming soon. I'm going to say something bad soon, like you're always on the edge of what's going to happen next, what's going to happen next, so with all this you know when you tell me this, I have to do it.

Be honest, I don't envy that situation because I think one of the real causes in our society and in the world of mental health problems is feeling like you can't be your true self, yes, and there are physical problems. There are forms of incarceration that put someone in jail and then there are forms of mental incarceration that is like preventing them from speaking freely about who they are, who they love, what they think and what they feel, and yet in every interview I've had with you . The answer I see is: I am very, very happy. How can you possibly live in a world where there is so much worry and so many minds that you can possibly step on and still be happier?

I know. I always say I'm happy because I think it would be selfish of me to say I'm not like that, how could I not be happy? I'm 17 years old and I create backup stuff. I'm thinking like God, I'm happy. because this is all I ever wanted and yes every day in my mind I think about God I have these worries and I have these struggles but let's take a step back I'm happy like I have to just look at the big picture I'm healthy I'm healthy my family is fine I have an amazing manager I have an amazing boyfriend I live in a beautiful house I'm safe I'm happy the way I am Yes I have all these worries about when I'm going to have a scandal, when I'm going to say the wrong thing and generally like I was 17 years old, again I could only dream about this and I am living it, this is how I see it and that gratitude.

You know, clearly it's very important to be centered and grounded in the midst of all this chaos, yes, yes, 100, I am very grounded and I think that's something that I'm proud of is that everyone who knows me about me Life before Love Island. everyone has said I have never changed I have always stayed the same yes my life my circumstances have changed but I am the same person and I and I know that I am I have never become bougie never become like I never did you know I just I couldn't, it's not me, I'm still that girl from Hertfordshire, but I have a very different life now, but I've never changed since I met Fran in Those Two and a Half Years I'm still the same person she met that day when I left Love Island, so yeah, I stick with it and I'm proud to have stayed the same, what are these drinks here? this is huel um it's basically a nutritionally complete food so it's um it's the fastest growing e-commerce company in the country oh, isn't it online internationally?

It's basically like it's your perfect meal in a drink, so 20 you know all your proteins, all your vitamins. all your minerals vegan gluten free and if you're ever on the road I'm sure you are because you're really busy if you're ever on the road and you like to skip meals and stuff yeah you have one of these fillers you and make sure get everything you need amazing so I think as the world gets busier he always gets more popular you know but anyway try well huell we'll give you actually they send you a big package after this always do very well um it's not like no one knows where you live now you know where I live I'll send it to France talking about social media and you know one of the changes that you made and talked publicly about this is that you they eliminated. the cosmetic filler in your face, yeah, and um and other things, other kinds of changes in your kind of cosmetic appearance, can you talk to me first about what made you want to go get cosmetic filler in your face?

Well, I think so. I'm really very beautiful oh thank you well I was 7, 16 or 17 when I first got filler and 16 if I was I think it's actually illegal. I think you have to be legally 17 years old. But I went and got lip filler when I had it. around 16 and it didn't stop for a few years, I kept getting it and kept getting it and it was at that point that it had become a very normalized filler, it was literally like going to the gym like I was just going to get a lip filler refill, it

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very normal, so I went one day and I understood and it was like it was nothing and I didn't tell my mom, I just hid it from everyone, no one noticed, but I think on social media like I said.

I used to see all these girls with fillers and all these things on my face, their faces, so I thought well, if I want to be successful in that industry, if I want to be an influencer and I want to have a big following. I'm going to have to get that too, since I'm going to need to do that to my face. I need a fuller jaw, cheek filler, lip filler and botox to look like these girls do. editing none of them looked like that anyway but it's scary because I wouldn't say I got addicted but at the age of 21 I didn't look like the same person anymore I literally looked like a different person than I was when I look back at the photos and Now I'm terrified of myself.

I wonder who that girl was. I don't know what happened and it was really only until my sister told me and told me we had to figure this out. It was that I took her to tell me that she was a dad in a club, I don't know where she was and she texted me and told me that she needed to talk to you about filling like she was too much now. enough, you need to stop and then I remember I turned on my front camera and I was looking and I thought: what are you talking about? and I really realized that she was like No, it's not nice, this is my face and literally everyone used to call me Quagmire.

I don't even know who Quagmire is. I think he's like a cartoon character. Don't know. Oh, he's fine, people would say on screen, yeah, Quagmire. people used to say quagmire or they said he looked like an xbox controller like my face was so deformed like they called me all kinds of things um but there was a pivotal moment where he had gone and he had a ton of padding. and I posted a video on YouTube um and I hadn't let the filler set and it was very swollen and an image of a screenshot of that video was trending on Twitter for weeks it was horrendous it was absolutely horrendous it was like you could. insert the photo, we will send it to you, it was my face, it was literally horrible and that was a moment for me too where I thought, I think things need to change, I thought that one day I'm actually going to dissolve my lips in it and It was a process.

I went and dissolved my lips and posted about it on youtube and I wasn't expecting the response I got it was huge and so much Girls were tweeting it made me laugh and it was like Molly doing lip filler doesn't mean we'll have to dissolve her little story , it doesn't mean we'll have to go and do the same thing because obviously everyone loves their lip fillers, which I love. I think thatIt's great as some girls love it and just because they dissolved my filler doesn't mean I don't agree with Philip. I got it at one point, obviously I loved it and some girls it makes them feel super confident and it did. for me for a while until I took it too far, I think it can be a great thing, it's not my place to sit here and criticize it because some girls feel amazing about it and that's great, but for me, the moment I started. to reverse my image and dissolve the filler and dissolve my lips and I actually had a full set of composite um adhesive like veneers on my teeth they also took them off I literally took it to the extreme and just stripped back and weirdly I felt prettier than ever once it was all gone and I feel like I was about five years off my age and it was like it was a really, really meaningful moment for me and I just took it all off and I don't realize how much respect it would give me. that.

I didn't do it out of respect. I did it for me. I didn't do it for anyone else. I did it because I knew I needed it, but in doing it all these young girls. It was like all the parents of these young girls stayed with Fran and said thank you very much. It's amazing for us to see. It is so different. In fact, a mother approached me when she was visiting hitchhiking with my mother. I was on the street crying my eyes out saying that she was very grateful to me for doing what I did with my filling because she is very happy for the effect it had on her children and my mom started crying and everything was like emotions my mom Was it her When the woman left?

She's like she's so proud of you and I just didn't realize the effect that she would have on so many people that your manager, Fran, told me that she said "um" when you made that decision. to remove cosmetic filling and tooth bonding, he was getting so many emails he couldn't keep up with his inbox from parents saying they were expressing their admiration and gratitude because obviously previously, those parents and their children had been admiring to certain role models who edit a lot because of the comparison-based world we live in and to have a role model like you who is taking the very, very brave and um, brave, maybe not the right word, but just A very important step is to say that I'm going to be a role model that doesn't alter my face too much because of the consequences and what that might tell my audience about themselves when you transitioned, when you went from Being that you know, there's too much filler. here, maybe on stuck teeth and things like that, for the natural Molly that you are now, there were other moments of doubt where you looked at yourself and thought you know what maybe I'll knit again, yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean it didn't happen overnight. I can't sit here and say that I suddenly felt amazing, that it was a big change, that I literally look like a different person with all the padding in a different person without and um. There was a time when I had just done the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine and it was a big deal for me. I was so happy I got the cover because, um, it was a dream, it was huge, my mom used to do it. Buy me that magazine when I was younger and I couldn't believe I was going to be on the cover, but that was the first time I was photographed after they took out all the padding and I actually despised it. the picture so much that I cried for days, yeah, because I didn't get approval for the picture and I thought I kind of prayed, I really hope I like the picture and I absolutely hated it and it's gone. it went off and I was fine and everyone was telling me how amazing I looked and it was a little sad that after everyone confirmed that they thought I looked good then I felt better, that's a little sad because I don't think until people started to say that and I never thought it was that girl.

I always thought that I didn't need people to tell me that I looked good like that, but I think then I did it because I was really vulnerable like I had all this padding removed, no one had really seen me like that, I looked very different, I did it and I think people noticed it, but people really admired it because it was different, it was new, no one had done it, no one had really done it. Still, I wouldn't want to say that I started a trend, but I feel like I started a bit of a trend with the dissolve guy and again I'm proud of that because yeah, I might have been a little uncomfortable about it.

At first, but now a lot of people are doing it and I love it, it's like an incredible movement and with the brands that you're involved in in the businesses that you run, you now look for models, influences and creators to represent. That more natural look I wouldn't say either because like I said before, I don't think it's a bad thing for Phil if he does it safely and in a way that makes a girl feel more confident or a guy feel more confident. so that's great, anything that makes that person feel amazing, that's what I like and if a model comes in and we like her and she has a face full of filler, that's not a problem because another girl who is looking at that campaign You could also have an affiliate on Facebook.

You know again, I don't really judge people for things like that. I made a mistake once, but at one point I loved it and it made me feel safe, so no, I think we just like it when we look at reserve models. to filter things out, we just want to be relatable and we want to have a girl modeling the fake hand that a lot of girls can relate to, that's why we always use multiple models in our campaigns and plus sizes and try to It's kind of a syndrome of catering to everyone when people rise very, very quickly to high places, they often talk about this feeling of impostor syndrome where they know inside of them that maybe they're still that girl who got hitched, but they're in these like rooms big with these big things talking about big ideas and have you ever felt that? um, I guess I'm extremely honest when I need to ask questions when I don't understand what the hell is going on, like I told Fran.

I bet Stephen is going to use a bunch of words that I have no idea what they mean and I just have to sit here and pretend I have an idea what he's saying when actually that doesn't happen yet, no, but when I had Listening your conversation with Patricia Bright, you said some words and I was like, "I don't know what that means." I thought that's definitely going to happen, but I'm very honest. I am very transparent. I'll be in finance meetings. with Fran and we'll be talking about gross profits and I'm like, can we just rewind?

I have no idea what we're talking about here and I'm very, very transparent about it, like I'm trying to remember that I'm 22 years old. They didn't teach me these things in school, they didn't really teach me and I'm talking about mortgages and things I didn't know what a mortgage was until a few months ago. I'll be honest because when I started considering buying a house, I was like so what is a mortgage? because I didn't know and I think that's how I've gotten away from it like imposter syndrome. I only ask. I'm just asking the questions.

I am not ashamed. I had to learn a lot very quickly. I didn't know anything at the beginning of this process. He did not know. I don't think I wouldn't have had enough money to even pay a tax bill before. I didn't understand what it was. earning a thousand pounds a month before the show so I had never paid a tax bill like this and it was I learned a lot very quickly and I always asked, I'm not afraid to ask you, so that's really the important thing is that you're not afraid to ask If you don't know, it's very inspiring for me to hear that answer because I've been in the exact same situation.

I was also in boardrooms when I was 22 and you sat there. There you think you're looking around the room and there are people twice your age and of course it's easy to feel like you're inadequate or you're an impostor in that room, but what I always drew on was this realization. that I'm in that room for a reason there's something that I have that those men who are twice my age in suits that have gray hair don't have and that's my specialty that's the reason I'm there um they have things that I don't No I have things that they don't have and I think what has made me feel comfortable in intimidating situations, whether in the dragon's den or in boardrooms out of my reach at a very young age, is continually reminding myself that I am there for a reason. right too and there's something I know there's something in your case, you know, an incredible creativity and understanding of the client that has put me there and I think what you've realized is incredibly important that you don't have to talk about. things you don't know and as a young person, in these strange situations as intimidating as the boardroom, you don't have to pretend you know everything, you can just wait and have the confidence to talk about the things you know well.

You know this better than anyone and I think that's incredibly important: when you find yourself in intimidating situations as a young person in business or in your career, know that you are there for a reason too, yes, you are bringing value to In that room you don't have either. I have to talk about everything, but you are there for a reason when I read your story, I have watched you over the years and been around people close to you. um, I couldn't believe my life when my team told me you were 22 years old. I liked it, I thought, yeah, sure, I Googled it and I thought Wikipedia is wrong too because it doesn't make sense, right?

Let's just say there are so many fundamental things about business, fun money, life and finances that now need to be thrown at you and, um, and to be honest, they're thrown at everyone, right, yeah, especially when we know we started to think about mortgages. and those things in terms of money and finances, what are some of the lessons that you've had to learn? Or the advice you would give to people listening to you to make sure they don't waste all their money and run out of money. end up in jail I don't think I'll be honest I don't think I'm there yet to give advice I'm still learning I have yes, a lot of money for someone my age and I have to depend on the people around me for advice , as if I had just started investing, which has been a very interesting new chapter for me.

I had no idea how to invest, but I know it's really important. I knew it. It's something key and I need to do it. I didn't know where to start, so I've been learning about it, which has been really interesting, but I know it's a cliché. I know everyone says it but why don't you Not knowing these things in school is so discouraging and my situation is so specific that I got a lot of money so quickly and I was so vulnerable that I had to get my parents involved because you just trust all these people, but it was so scary that I said it's probably the most daunting thing, really, like going out into this new world, like before I didn't have a liter of marijuana to pee on them and now I have to deal with these huge ones. banks and they're like it's mental it's me and I don't want it I wouldn't even give advice because I'm still learning and I'm not afraid to say I'm learning every day with it um but yeah it's daunting it's a whole new world to deal with. we talked a little bit before, we touched on mental health, one of the things that really inspired me is that you gave the profits from one of your plt ranges to the charity mind the mental health charity yeah why did you do it so good?

It was shortly after Caroline Flackard passed away, which was obviously heartbreaking and it was a huge, huge, huge shock to me and I planned this big launch party. at a big launch dinner and I was there getting ready for it, we canceled it that night because we just heard the news and it just wasn't right, it just didn't feel right and the only way I was going to make it feel properly released was in the collections, If we donated the profits, it occurred to me at that moment and it was a really difficult time and I think I'm very proud to be a part of prt in a way that they were doing so well.

I addressed it right away and it was totally my idea and I went and said this is what needs to happen and they said yes, it wasn't even a hesitation, it wasn't like no, but we have to get the money back, no, they. They totally understood, um, yeah, and I'm lucky to work so closely together because they were just incredible at the time. Was that one of the things on your proverbial mood board, becoming the

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of PLT, did you ever dream of that? was and how that all came about, you know, it was a nice little thing, it was crazy because I knew when I started working with them it was like I had this feeling that it was going to be bigger than I had anticipated.

I bought these collections and I put out these edits and I was growing and growing and my growth was increasing and it just wasn't slowing down and I created a very close relationship with plt and they really understood each other and it just went past that point of being an influencer because I really didn't anymore. I consider myself an influencer. I know in theory I am, but now it's more than that and I'm more of a business woman and I feel like it was in the works for a while, it was conversations about this role and I never really talked about how it happened, but there wereTalks about a

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role, it was mentioned and I thought that's the only one I want, I don't want anything. otherwise I don't want to be head of any other department, creative director, it's my role and if not we will continue doing what we are doing or we will see and work on it with uma and they talked and They talked and they spent about six months of discussion and then Fran called me.

She was in my car and she said, "We got it." You're going to be people's creative director, I think, and it was really like. It was a crazy moment, I screamed on the phone and thought, "Oh my God, this is crazy" and I was so excited to tell everyone that I had to wait a few months. I knew he was sitting on this for a while and then I told him. everyone and literally blew up the Internet. I didn't expect it to have the effect that it did, but it was huge, literally huge, it was huge, yeah, I don't know if it was, yeah, I think it was just, no one really expected it.

I don't think anyone saw it coming. I think they probably thought that when I said I had a great ad, they'd probably like it. Oh, it's just another collection. She's just putting out a few more clothes. No, that's when I said I had the biggest one. part of my greatest achievement, yes, I meant it, it was my greatest achievement, but I'm not just an influencer anymore, I'm the creative director of a pretty little thing like that that hasn't sunk in yet and what is it? that means what brands do very well is they like to use, you know, influential creators to sell, you know, we'll do a line with you, we'll do an edit, yeah, this is different, right, yeah, it's completely different, talk to about how it's different, well I have a very important role within the business, I now have a big voice within the business and I think what's so amazing is that I'm the consumer, I'm their target market, really that age range it's me.

I'm that consumer, so having me in the business with my views, you know, with my guidance, like I'm really helpful to them, it's a fresh set of eyes, I think they really needed that and I think, because I know the brand very well and I worked with them, I worked with them long before Love Island, I worked with plt for six years, they were one of the first businesses, one of the first fashion companies that they gave me when I had around 11,000 followers on Instagram. So we've believed in each other from the beginning, so it was such an organic move for me to be in that business and another funny story is when I came off Love Island I had this day where Um, all these fashion races, they came up and sat down and offered me all these crazy offers.

I'm not kidding, it was probably about 15 of all my dream brands that came in and said, we'll offer you this. We'll offer you a car, we'll offer you this amount of money um and please, it wasn't actually um um zoom called me, they were actually the only ones that didn't show up that day, but they were the most important. for me because I knew it was like these business meetings with all these other brands were kind of irrelevant because I know I want plt prt wasn't the highest money offer that came forward, there were brands that came forward and offered me three times what that PRT offered me, but because I loved PRT so much and because I believed in them with all my heart and knew that working with them was going to be something like it is now, I went with them and it was the best thing I ever did and the best. what is it for now you have been in that role for several months what is your what is your what do you enjoy most because you have taken a big step from being known doing ranks with them to now being in the business yes what surprised you what You enjoyed it?

I think people would not understand that the creative director, well, it was not something unexpected, it arose because I have always given my opinion and everything I have done in each collection. I bought it, I've always done more than the average influencer, but I think I saw I think you saw, wait, this girl really has something to offer, she has ideas for every shoe, I have a lot of input with location sets, um, you know . photographers models that I use like that I have always never sat down and said yes, that will do, I will do it, I have always had something to say, so I think you saw that and I think even things have changed a lot since I took on this role, like the collections that I'm putting out now as if they've been working on it for a year, that's not the case, that's how I mean the one we're putting out next, it's been working on we've been working on it for about seven months, so things are getting done a lot more seriously, they are not in a hurry, they are really well thought out, we work, I don't know how much I can talk about it.

We're working on a London Fashion Week show that's been in the works again for about six months. There is a lot of work and it is also interesting again. I'll sit here and say I'll be honest. It is a commercial role and I am learning. I don't know everything about business, you know, a lot. I received a lot of negative reactions when I introduced myself saying I was the new creative director. People said: what are you doing? I know about being a creative director, you've never been to university, but it's not so much that I go in and talk numbers and talk about the nitty-gritty.

I'm more there to give my perspective on how things work. It needs to be done I'm there to put on the shoes and say I think this needs to be changed I think this you know I'm there to be that set of fresh eyes and to be the consumer that gives their voice um this is how it works and umar you know the founder and CEO of Pretty Little Thing, he himself started in that position when he didn't know anything about fashion other than whether he has ties to his family, but that was his first real opportunity and I've also worked with him and one of the things What he has always told me is that he likes to bring in people who don't have experience.

I've seen him sit in his office for many years and he said, I need more 16-year-olds here, yeah, and what he's saying is he wants fresh eyes, he wants a new perspective, he wants kids who understand ticking, yes, and that they are maintained, and that is probably why they have done so well and have been so relevant. You're absolutely right, you feel it when you go to the prt office, it's all young girls working there, all different types of girls, but all young and it's really interesting because there are two sides to the office that you have, like technology.

The side where all the guys like to work on their computers, trying to make sure the website doesn't crash when they have a massive sale, then there's the side of things where it's like young girls ticking and tweeting . doing your instagram is huge, it's absolutely, it's like um, it's like an empire, please, every time I walk into that head office I'm impressed and I think if I didn't do what I did now, I would want to work. for plt in a different way, like I would like to work in a social network because it is an amazing job.

All the girls who work there are very lucky on the other side of the fence. In fact, I have a unique perspective because I was able to see. I was in the car with the CEO of plt the day he was trying so hard to make sure you joined the brand and yeah, I've never seen him so frantic and confident and you know he wasn't going to lose. the opportunity to work with you, so yes, I have never seen him like that in all these years, he is a very ambitious, relentless, very motivated guy, you know what he wants and he is willing to work to get it, but that day in that car . he said we needed her he said we needed her I can't let her go anywhere else she must have seen something I don't know maybe he just said yes, you represent like you said you represent the client yes, you know the client, you are the client that I am, yes, and for him it was like the stars had aligned and there couldn't be another human being on earth that was more perfect for the brand than you and it's fun to know your perspective because you felt the same on the other side, so yeah, it matched up pretty well, I think it matched up perfectly. um life, you know, life is very unpredictable and everything has a cost, we talked about that a lot today despite the high points. it has a cost and one of the costs of his meteoric rise and his success and his openness came to light in the papers recently when someone broke into his house um yeah, one of the most unthinkable traumatic things um from a psychological perspective because that's your safe place, it's your happy place, yeah, well, especially the house we lived in, um, that's how it was.

I talked about it on YouTube briefly, very briefly, because again I'm always too afraid to say too much, but it's that home for me, I've had a lot of houses and nothing was like that place for me, it just wasn't a huge apartment, it was just a normal apartment, in a really nice area and ironically, I always felt so safe. There, every time I came in, closed the front door and ran a bath, it was like my disconnection zone, it was like I felt like I could be that normal 22-year-old girl with a few thousand followers.

On Instagram I felt like it was simply my refuge, so I think about what happened with the robbery, I think that was the most difficult thing because that was taken from us, the materialistic things that were taken from us were not there. It wasn't all the possessions that went missing, it wasn't the fact that our space was violated and it was ransacked, it wasn't any of that, it was the fact that I knew the moment we found out we were at a meeting in London and received the call and I knew the moment I found out that we were going to have to leave and it was just the most heartbreaking thing for me because being forced to leave your house that you loved so much and we weren't ready to leave anytime soon was like it was heartbreaking it was horrible says a lot about what home is not really a place I guess it's a set of emotions right 100 and what once those emotions are manipulated and once they're spoiled, it's gone like no, it's just bricks and mortar, so it's no longer, it's no longer a special place and I think so, of everything that's happened, that's been what I've found difficult to deal with. because, um, when I walk by there and stuff, it's heartbreaking, it's like God, that's how fast things can change, like things can change in a few hours, everything had changed like I was in a meeting about something really exciting. in London. you know your house has been ransacked, everything has been taken, you need to get home right away and I just didn't know what to expect, I just expected the worst and it was a good job I did because it was wrong, everything turned out like Did Tommy react well?

It was complicated because I'll be honest, Tommy, he's different in the way he spends his money, he doesn't really buy things, it's a bit of the way he was brought up, he's quite clever with his, he's just very different. and um, he reacted differently to me, I was much more like, um, trying to fix everything, you know, safe and making sure we're okay and tommy says everything's going to be okay, it's going to be okay, he's very laid back, it's very difficult to explain what he's like, but we're like polar opposites, but that's why we work, but yeah, I mean, it was just different and this is what you've talked about about how this has changed your desire and willingness to be so open. yeah which I found was quiet well I had no idea yeah I had no choice and I mentioned it on my social media I said I don't want to change the way I live I don't want to change the way I talk to them , that's what I love to do.

I love sharing everything, but if it's going to compromise my safety, I can't. Isn't that fair? It's really hard and now I'm trying to work on this new balance of sharing but not sharing too much so that it makes Tommy and I not safe anymore and it's finding this new way of living and having close security protection now and moving in and making sure Not even my nail technician coming to my house because I can't let anyone know where I live now it's like I even deliver, no, no, no, it's not possible, it's just not. sure because it takes the wrong person to know where you live and I think I know, you know what I'll say, it's not a positive thing to happen, but maybe it had to happen so I could learn how to do it.

I need to be now. I can't just be that normal girl who is indifferent and posts everything on our social media. It is not like this. I need to look. I need to do better to protect myself and Tommy. Unfortunately, it's sad, but that's how it has to be. It's now and everything has to change, yeah that's sad isn't it, it's sad it is, but I think people understand that I see a lot of tweets now saying that because I've posted, I mean literal bits of where we live now. I mean, like a cushion and everyone says I'm so brave that we're not going to take a tour of the house and I would love to take a tour of the house because this house is amazing and I want to, I don't want to. show it I want to show it to my followers and be like this is where we live now this is the new kitchen this is the new bedroom you know that's me I'm an oversharer but now I'm taking videos and I'm like, oh, it's too much.

I'm showing too much there, as if the newspaper found out about the right move. What house is it? You know I'm thinking that way now and it's sad to be 22 years old. You have to think that way, but it's the pros and cons of this new life I'm living. Do you feel safe in your new home? Yes, yes, yes, we are very lucky that, like I said, he taught us how. haveI have to be now and I actually have personal security protection now and I'm trying to get used to it being 24 or 24 or seven and I don't know how long or forever or whatever, but I'm that angry. having to take these precautions now um I don't really wear my jewelry anymore what I have left of it I don't wear it because it made me realize that it doesn't really matter people are so cruel and they're jealous that these things are better I just don't know , I just think it changed things for me, it took away that superficiality, it just made me realize that actually these things are not important, your health and your happiness and your safety, safety is key.

I'm spending a fortune now on security, but there's really no price for feeling safe because I'd rather spend money on security and spend it on a bag because what makes you feel better now is security, of course, because I can go down the street and now I'm safe, I don't know, a lot has changed, are there things you miss from your previous life? The life before is then, as you know, before, before, all the paparazzi. in the Caribbean or wherever and no, I wouldn't say it so you know, I love my life now, literally, I pinch myself every day because this is the life I live and yes, I like things like theft that happen and it's and It's scary and I have bad days, but I'm very lucky to live this life like I pinch myself every day when I wake up and I never want to go back to my old life, that terrifies me because obviously, like I told you at the beginning.

That ordinary life that I lived before I never wanted, I want what I have now and I'm working towards it, so if you left your house and just walked through a mall or down the street, what is that experience like? It's different, I never talk about it because it sounds like a big headache like getting arrested, but it's mental and it's crazy and it will never feel real, especially when I'm hanging out with Tommy, obviously, he's tall, everyone sees Tommy and he has a really different audience than mine so it's like when you walk through a mall their audience is there and my audience is there so it's like a lot of people and obviously our combined followers when we go out they go to 10 million people, that is.

There's a lot of people, so there's a lot of people that know who you are and want to take pictures and it's amazing, it's amazing and one thing I will always say is that I have never in my entire career said no to a photo because I just like it, it's funny, it's nice that people like to take your photo, what an honor, that someone wants to take a photo of me like that, it will never feel real, but that's where I hung out with them. mate Liam Payne from One Direction and I've obviously experienced that I've met him before, you know, actually yeah, on a plane we were flying together back from um Vegas at the same time, he was so lovely to me and Tommy and always kept in touch. with tommy since he texts him and says I hope you're okay bro and I really didn't expect that from him yeah he's a really sweet guy and you know I said underneath I mean right underneath all that like Fame. and the public image and the death of the band, he is a really sweet soul, his name is my.

I went out with him a couple of times in Manchester for the foot, we did a couple of parties together for the euros, we just got our close friends together and, um, sat down. a restaurant in Ivy in Manchester a person fights you know watches he limps then yes he comes we can have a photo he is sure another and then they go back to their table and they say to their table then there is another person yes and then dinner It's actually a meet and greet and I'm looking at this thinking because I'm like no, I'm not famous at all, but I have dragons that Dennis is dropping in January and stuff like that so I'm thinking.

I don't want that in my life, yeah that's too much for me and how do you find those moments where you can enjoy yourself in public without it turning into a girl, maybe a meet and greet or you just choose? To go to other places I simply choose not to go out. I'll be honest and I think sometimes it has to be necessary. Francis told me that going to the traffic center on a Saturday afternoon in Manchester is not as smart an idea as I would like. um even like the Christmas markets just opened in Manchester we were going to go the other night and we said no that's a bad idea it sounds like you're getting beheaded when you say it but I just want to say someone go out with me and look Like it's not, it's not a normal experience, you have to take safety measures, you have to do it, it's not like I just stopped sneaking around, it's a lot, it sounds like you're having a baby, it sounds like you're trying to have a baby .

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It's, it's, it's hot, I mean, it's confusing and it's hot, it's amazing, obviously, but like I said, I'm learning, so it's a little scary, sometimes you feel a little overwhelmed and when you're in meetings. it's you you don't want to look like you don't know what's going on you don't want to look vulnerable you just have to look like this woman that you have everything your everyone has your ducks in a row, you know what's going on and um, by pretending like I know, I feel like I've become that. I have played someone who does know what is happening because I had to.

I learn it so quickly and sometimes I pretend that now I've embodied that person that when I'm in a meeting I can defend myself and I can sit there and say yes, I know what's going on, I want to do this this and that didn't happen overnight. tomorrow, um, like I said, I'm very young and it's just as quick a change as it was two years ago. I was in Manchester. I was in Manchester and living alone. I went to the gym. I took some photos. I like the weekend and now I'm in these big meetings with huge people about really important topics and it's like God, sometimes it's difficult, but I like it, it's interesting, it's different, every day of my life is very different and it's a little challenge every day is like even today on this podcast I felt honored that you even asked me to do it because it's like I listen to the people that you've done them with and sometimes you think of God like I do.

I'm not the same as them, but then you realize, oh wait, maybe I am. You know, like Patricia Bright and Jacqueline Gold, you look up to people like that and suddenly they ask you to do the same things they do and it's like how did that happen? I don't know if things like that will ever feel real, especially Patricia Bryce is someone I've always admired and actually filmed. I have been working with Patricia several times. now and that was really huge for me because she was like my woman, she was like my goals, yes, she was the woman on YouTube and I aspired to be like her, she is everything I wanted to be, she was very successful, so in business. mental but also very relatable and very funny and I loved everything she was about and then she asked me to do a video with her after love and I was like oh no this is just happening and then you try to play it cool and you try to act.

This is just normal, but it's not, it's not and sometimes it's okay to sit there and be like God. I can't believe this is happening even today, like when my family was talking to me about doing this with you and it's like these things. I just don't know, they never feel real, what do your parents think about your life? They must be watching and thinking what, yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's crazy, like when they see me doing my pretty little thing. commercials on television like how does that feel normal? and they're just so proud, it's just that my parents are divorced now, um, so dealing with my dad and dealing with my mom are like two separate, completely different things. but they are both very proud of me and I don't think anyone would have expected this.

Do you sometimes see or feel them trying to figure out what they did to make you try? to connect the dots again to like, what do I like, yeah, in retrospect, maybe, what did we do, how, how did you feed her, I don't know, but I don't think I think you're obviously a product of your environment and as. You grow up and how you are raised is a big part of who you become, but at the same time I wouldn't want to disrespect my parents. They're amazing, but I don't think anything they've done has forced me to do it.

What I've done now makes sense. Everything I've done in the last two years depends on me and Fran. It's the two of us together, like we did this and my parents, yeah, they raised me and made me. I became a polite and nice person, but they are not responsible. You understand what I'm saying as if they weren't. I don't know how you feel about it but you probably don't feel like your parents are the reason you've been very successful or maybe you are, I don't really know, it's funny because with parents like us, I'm the youngest of four, oh, are you? and we are all completely different, yes, that's how it would be.

It's pretty silly to say that there was a lot of intention on my parents' part, they were thinking we're going to raise an entrepreneur, a lawyer, no, it's just that they do the best they can, yeah, and it's like rolling the dice, yeah , and you like you. I have said about your family that your sister is in the army. You meet this mega star, a businesswoman and creator, so you never really know what's going to happen and you know it's going to be the same one day when I have kids and when you have kids. kids I'm sure it's some kind of dying sway yeah luck talking about kids talking about relationships tommy yeah one of the things you know when people leave Love Island you look at it and think oh these are just gimmick relationships right yeah we think they're in it for the money they're not going to last five days and then by the time they live on Love Island the relationship ends after they've made all the deals and stuff together , yes, everyone says, yes, yes, yes, with you and Tommy again.

It's been an anomaly, yes we have because you guys are still together, years and years and years, years after the show and from everything I've read, you guys have a really strong relationship, tell me about that and I guess you weren't expecting that. right, yeah, I mean, I think, like I mentioned briefly before, because I went on the show, so I didn't expect to find love and I just kept going for a while, we'll see what happens, we'll potentially come out with a million followers. Look, I came out as the only person who fell in love.

Tommy and I were the only couple that year who are still together and who were actually together on the show. All the other couples broke up a couple of weeks after we were the only people who actually found each other. each other properly and it's been almost three years and it's been a whirlwind and I think what's been so incredible is that our lives have changed together at the same time and we've grown together and we've experienced it all with each other and I think having him to lean on through all these ups and downs, you know, he's been there for me has been amazing because it would have been so lonely to do it alone.

I think you know after my fan and I talked all day and then left. to go back to that apartment alone when you're living this new world and navigating all these new things, it would have been a little sad not to experience it with someone, so we're really blessed to have had each other through all of this and it's sometimes a Quite a long distance relationship because if he's fighting or training in the US, yeah, or you know he's with Tyson training, which I saw recently, it's a bit of a long distance relationship, yeah, like? You manage to keep us from seeing each other for weeks and weeks at this point and we've gotten pretty good at the long distance thing.

I don't know, I think we're just one thing I find. It is so key in our relationship and it is the most important thing. I think in any relationship it is trust. We have this complete and utter trust in each other and I think in a relationship that's literally all we have.No, I am enough, I am enough, but the work I have done is not enough yet, I have much more. what to do sometime I don't know maybe not maybe when we revisit this and I have more followers and more money and a better house or whatever I'll keep saying it's not enough I probably will be but maybe I need that maybe that's it the recipe to make me the way I am and make me different from the other love islanders and the other influencers maybe it's because I'm hungry and I always want more, so maybe I don't need to get rid of that maybe I'll stay with that mentality because it clearly works .

I completely agree and it's been incredibly inspiring and eye-opening to talk to you because you know it and you're in it. I still can't believe you're 22 because you know, at 22 I wasn't, I wasn't in the rooms you're in now and I wasn't involved in the conversations, I hadn't built businesses and you know the very important role of creative director, I know. how demanding that will be and how particular and cautious I would have been in choosing you, I wouldn't have done it as something symbolic, no, and I have actually spoken to the plt team. I've actually worked with them for about seven years, yeah, and through my business, they say you're very involved, you're in the office and you're helping to build and shape what that brand is, yeah, it's notable that you can do all that and execute everything. of your other businesses and, you know, keep up with your personal life too at the age of 22.

There's a wise, mature head on your shoulders and it's really fascinating to see how that will play out for you in the years to come. and I'm a force, so I can't think of anything that will get in your way. Thank you so much, thank you for your honesty, thank you, you are doing a real service to the world and being yourself, and I know how Normally I don't know because I have people who support me, they don't hold me to the same standard as you, but you are doing a real service, I think, to a younger generation by being a relatable role. model one who is incredibly real, honest, open and, yes, an all-around good person, thank you for having the conversation with me today because yes, I have been, I have watched your career and your rise with complete fascination and, uh, I would bet . in you for the future so you are a formidable business woman in person thank you very much thank you for having me thank you very grateful to be on the quick podcast can you do me a favor if you are listening to this and press the button? subscribe button the follow button wherever you are listening to this podcast my team and I use it as an indication of whether the episode is good or not based on how many new followers and subscribers we get.

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