World No.1 Biohacking Expert: I Tested 100,000 People's DNA. This Diet Will Kill You - Gary Brecka

No one actually tells

people

who have anxiety what it is and that's why very often

people

don't have a specific trigger that they can point to so they try to attribute it to their outside environment but the truth is that usually They have a deficiency. and Gary Brea, a human biologist who spent 20 years working in life insurance predicting when people

will

die with precision per month and is now on a mission to prolong life. A couple of days ago someone took a swab inside my mouth. Was that test and why did I take it? You did it to see if your parents gave you a genetic mutation and it is one of the most overlooked things in all of modern medicine because it is

this

deficiency that leads to some of the most common ailments that we suffer from.

I suffer from a mental illness ADHD OCD Manic depression Bipolar Sleep disorders Very serious intestinal problems I mean, there are many that do not seem to be solved with conventional therapies or

diet

ary changes because very often the illness is not happening to us, it is happening within us and I I'm not going to stop getting the message out to the masses because I think about all the times I could have made a real material change in someone's life and I didn't have the opportunity to do it and I felt like I was, you know ? Sitting behind a thick glass wall watching blind people walk into traffic, I now have the opportunity to make a difference.

What are the simple things we can do to avoid even getting these chronic diseases? So there are five things I would commit. The first thing I can do is when I wake up. I would like to invite Dr. Carrie Sard, who

will

give me my test results. I want to know if there are any kind of health implications I should be aware of. so there is a problem right there, congratulations diio gang, we have made some progress. 63% of you who listen to

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Help this channel more than you know and the bigger the channel gets, as you've seen, the bigger the guests get, thank you and enjoy this episode Gary Stephen, it's good to see you back, kick me out, it's good, know , I knew I left your game there Stephen um it's great to be back man it really is if anyone just clicked on the mhm podcast and was wondering why they should. stay and listen you are going to lead the conversation I am going to go where you want to go I am going to follow my curiosity and ask questions but what are they going to get out of this conversation today if you are driving? wheel, I'm just coming out about how to live a healthier, happier, longer life and maybe answers to some of the most annoying health-related challenges that you and I are having, and when I say annoying health-related challenges I mean because everyone has these little anchors outside their stern correct weight gain water retention mental confusion lack of attention and concentration bad energy upon waking lack of deep sleep and it's shocking how many of these conditions have a common reservoir, I mean, they like the center of the wheel where all of these The individual spokes meet at a common center of methylation and methylation are essentially nutrient deficiencies in the human body and I don't normally start with this analogy, but I will start with an analogy from when I was in graduate school.

First of all, I'm a human biologist, I'm not a doctor, my undergraduate degrees are in biology, my graduate degrees are in human biology, but when I was in my second four years of graduate school getting the degree in human biology, I had to do it. taking all these plant botany courses that I hated because I wanted to study anatomy and physiology in humans, but I'm studying algae and the only thing that caught my attention about plant physiology was, say, you have a palm leaf that's rotting in a palm tree and you call a real arborist, a real botanist, to your house and they see that leaf is rotting on the tree, they won't touch that leaf, they will cut the soil and then Say you know what Stephen, there is no nitrogen in this soil and they will add nitrogen to the soil and the leaf will heal, it's just that we have stopped thinking about human beings in this way, we have lost a lot of faith in humanity and in Humanity, the body. ability of this to cure this and we believe very often and this is true in some cases that disease and pathology is happening to us, it is not something that happens within us and if you go back to the tree analogy, you know that you can put whatever you want on it.

That earth, well, you can supplement for the sake of supplementing and I think a lot of people get lost in this area where, well, I heard NN is good and Resveratrol is good and CoQ10 and St John's Ward and ashwag gandha and vitamin C and should take. a multivitamin, you know very soon you have this analysis paralysis because you are supplementing for the sake of supplementing and in the case of trees, if you hadn't found the nitrogen, the leaf would never have healed and the reason why most of a supplement for the good thing about complementing is that we don't have data, we just don't get data about our bodies, you know, when, when, when I bring and you meet a lot more young entrepreneurs than me, but when I run in them and I'll mention them sometimes when I'm giving a talk on stage and you can ask them about their priorities, like what's most important to you, my health, how important is health to you, oh, it's priority number one.

I have and I say what you see here and let's talk about you, you know how much you are prioritizing your health and you said, you know what type of business you have, a marketing agency, what does your business make with a monthly $148,000 a month What is your net income? ? $38.2 per month How many employees do you have? 16 What is your hemoglobin A1c target? Where are your testosterone levels? How much are triglycerides? Have you ever looked at your C-reactive protein and your face? just blank and we have more data on our businesses than we do on our Temple and you know, I actually saw you at a talk on stage, I think it was um and you talked about how you could take away anything in my life, you mean? to your dog and your girlfriend yes, I remember that hopefully you still have the dog and the girlfriend, but you said that you know that if you took my girlfriend, you took my dog.

I don't want to, I don't want to get you into a fight. with your girlfriend so let's talk about the dog so you took my dog ​​I still have my business I still have my life fine but if you weighed my health I would lose everything and I think most of us don't realize how important it is until take it away and so recognizing that the temple is the most important vehicle that we have, I really encourage people to get some basic data about their body so that they have some kind of road map for themselves. deficiency not just for the sake of supplementing and that they're getting the most out of their body because that's what they're going to get, that's how they're going to get the most out of their business, you know, I mean just choosing Let's remove these little anchors that are undermining the productivity.

You know, people who suffer from ADD and ADHD don't really realize that very often ADD and ADHD are not attention deficit disorders or attention deficit hyperactivity disorders; In reality, they are attention overload disorders and we characterize people who have ADD as not being able to pay attention, but the truth is that they do not lack the ability to pay attention, they lack the ability to pay attention to so many things and If we understand that this is an overactive mind, not a mind that is trying to pay attention to too many, too many things, then we can quiet the mind and not stimulate the central nervous system to match that rhythm of the mind, which is what it happens in five ANS and and um uh amphetamines do it when you take them for ADD and ADHD, so if we understood how normal or as good as we think we feel, we have no idea how good normal feels until we find the raw material that is missing in our body and we put it back you want to see how magic happens in human beings, find the raw material that is missing and put it back in your body and by raw material I mean simple things, you know, I mean Depending on who you talk to, there are 72 minerals, I think 16 of those. they're essential minerals there's two essential fatty acids there's eight essential amino acids it's amazing how many people have clinical deficiencies in some of those basics and then they go looking and all the esoteric super supplements and red light therapy and Ned booster supplements and really just they are missing one of those raw materials, basic essential amino acids, basic fatty acids and basic minerals, and that is where all human beings should start and then from there we should do some biomarker testing in the blood, in my opinion , every human being should get a genetic methylation test, the same test you did, whether they do it through me or not.

A genetic methylation test is a once-in-a-lifetime test that will tell you exactly what raw materials your body can convert. in the usable form and what can't because in human beings, just like in that tree analogy, when you have a deficiency you get the expression of illness, you know, when we talk about deficiencies, it reminds me of something that I think what we talk. briefly last time, which makes me feel like humans are born broken, it's true because if I'm deficient in something my body needs, that doesn't mean my body was born broken, it's not that I was born broken, it just doesn't work that way. optimal and we all have um Genetic Snips, we have these that are called single nucleotide polymorphs, we have these um, they are genes that code for enzymes to perform these different activities in the body and what they are.

Humans is how beautifully intricate the human body is. We take a raw material, Lime, we put it into a physiological process and then we take the waste product of that process and feed another process and so on, for example, we will take um folate from green leafy vegetables we will convert it to methylfolate. Methylfolate becomes one of the most frequent nutrients in the human body. It helps downregulate an inflammatory amino acid called homocysteine ​​which is then converted to something called methionine which then goes up to the brain and helps calm the mind so you start with this leafy green vegetable and work your way up to helping you sleep and it's not that leafy green. spinach is helping you sleep, it is what the spinach leaf has become that is helping you sleep and this The sequence of events is called methylation and the amazing thing about methylation is that in many cases, when it breaks down and We cannot repair the gene, we can simply complement its function, which is why the most common genetic mutation in the

world

that we talked about last time occurs. his podcast mtfr affectionately calls the gene. 44% of the population has this genetic mutation.

I talk about it all the time and it's a simple inability to convert folic acid and its folate derivatives into a usable form called methylfolate. Well, it's very easy. to supplement with methylfolate and it's very inexpensive, you could add a supplement with methylfolate and methylfolate deficiencies are linked to all kinds of conditions, including neural tube defects, because it's not fic acid that prevents neural tube defects, it's methyl folate which prevents neural tube defects, is what the body converts into the usable form and therefore when we look at methylation in the human body we get an exact road map of what we need to supplement to that we're not wandering around just supplementing for the sake of supplementing, you mentioned. the business people that you know that you go up on stage and you ask them several questions and then you ask them about types of biomarkers in their body, what are the simple biomarkers that you think everyone should understand?

Because listen, I'm not a chemist. I'm not going to be a biologist, so if there's a couple of them, I can probably understand them and be aware of them, but I can't be aware of everything, yeah, so there I would say three, okay, number. one is what's called a glycemic profile, which is a check of how well your insulin and sugar metabolism is doing and has three markers: glucose, hemoglobin A1c, 3-month average of your blood sugar and insulin, so definitely your glycemic profile because blood sugar, I promise you, is the root. Of all the evils, I would do your glycemic profile first.

Second, I would do your hormones. Can I just check the glycemic profile? That's basically my relationship with sugar, that's your relationship with sugar and it's also your relationship with insulin, because you know that so often. Even people who don't eat large amounts of refined sugar and Ben and Jerry's ice cream every night have problems with insulin sensitivity and therefore as insulin increases it causes a lot of conditions, it's one of the characteristics of something called metabolic syndrome that we are seeing in increasingly younger populations and it is generallyeasy to detect from the beginning. It has three markers that look at how well you are regulating your blood sugar, glucose, which is a measure of the amount of sugar in your blood right now, hemoglobin A1c. which is essentially a three month average of your blood sugar and then you have your insulin and the higher your insulin is relative to your blood sugar the more insulin resistant you are right so the more insulin It takes to lower your blood sugar, the more resistant you are to insulin.

This is an early warning sign of metabolic syndrome, but it's not just metabolic syndrome; is that when insulin increases, there is a whole cascade of events because insulin is not only responsible for helping us metabolize sugar, but it is also responsible for blocking other forms of energy use, one of which is the metabolism of sugar. fatty acids and therefore generally people who have very high insulin have very high blood triglycerides, they have high levels of fat in the blood and high levels of fat in the blood and high cholesterol are other markers of cardiovascular diseases, for which by reducing a biomarker has a positive effect in the entire downstream direction and I would say that if you are only going to look at three things, I would look at your glycemic profile, your blood sugar level, your insulin and your hemoglobin A1c hormone panel , okay, then, watch your hormones. and then I would look specifically at what contributes to healthy hormone production, DHEA and a protein called shbg, and then I would look at deficiencies of basic nutrients, such as vitamin D3, magnesium, potassium, and vitamin B12, which are found in most tests. and that's a great place to start to get the basics, how I'm regulating my blood sugar, are my hormones balanced, what nutrient deficiencies I have and then the second information that you would get, which is just a once in a lifetime, is a methylation test and these are widely available. you know, all over the

world

, I'm sure they are very easy to get in the UK and you want to see five genes mtfr MTR mtrr ahcy and C Mt and just to be clear, so I can simplify this for myself here those Five genes they relate to how my body processes the things I put into it at different stages in that kind of processing pipeline.

Yeah, I mean, let's take, for example, that gene at the top Co Mt um if you look at what comp t does. for catachol or methyl transferase, it's a fancy way of saying that it transfers a methyl group from the category of neurotransmitters called catachol amines and that's a huge mouthful, but essentially what this means is that these four neurotransmitters that are called catachol amines are responsible of our fight against the ORF. flight response so for example if you were driving home tonight and got out of your car and someone was standing in front of you with a knife MH right you would instantly have a fight ORF flight response your pupils would dilate your heart rate would increase your extremities would be flooded with blood, you would start to have a fight-flight ORF response based on that stimulus, but you could also be lying in your bed at night and you could start thinking about being eaten by a shark and you could have exactly the same answer because the brain doesn't really know the difference between perception and reality.

The similarity between these two events is a very real fear and a reaction to it and an imaginary fear. Both are found in cacam meines. It's ack R in the same class of neurotransmitters, so now. Some people take a long time to break them down and what are the consequences of this. Well, if you've ever had anxiety or know someone who has had anxiety, no one really tells people who have anxiety what it is, they describe the feeling and say what it is. a fear of the future is a feeling of impending doom is a feeling of anxiety, but what is physiologically happening in the body?

Well, very often it is an increase in catacolamines, the same class of neurotransmitters that are involved in a fight-flight ORF response and that is why very often people who suffer from anxiety do not have a specific trigger that they can point to. , they could be on a podcast like you and I are doing now and all of a sudden like those catac. The colomines increase, they have that feeling of anxiety and they are trying to attribute it to their outside environment. They're trying to look for a cluster of symptoms outside of your body, but this is because they're usually deficient in a B vitamin complex, um a. a very specific form of B12 called methylcobalamin, methylfolate, these methylated nutrients that downregulate these catac colomines, what else could it be?

Well, I mean, there are real anxiety disorders, right, um, and generally, people who have real anxiety really know what the trigger is that they're afraid of. heights they walk to the edge of a 30th floor balcony they have anxiety, um attack, they are afraid of flights. Is this different than someone having gone through trauma in their life, so they had early trauma and then certain things in their adult life? ends up triggering that mhm, this is very different from what you're saying here, so some people who have a trauma and wake up, for example, constantly in the past, their first thought of the day is about the pain they're already suffering .

Well, these thoughts, fight or flight thoughts, these thoughts tend to be the worst case scenario because they are also highly related to walking, in fact, people who have that genetic mutation fall into one of two categories, think about it this way. way if catacol means to go up very fast you are a warrior and the nickname of that gene is a warrior or a warrior because as those catacol means they call it fast clearing tea or slow clearing tea so just look at this genetic mutation if you are slow to break them. Catacol amines go down and up, what are the consequences of that?

I lay down to go to sleep at night and my body is tired but my mind is awake, my mind just clicks through the day thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts. um, I have a tendency when considering scenarios to go straight to the worst case scenario. I'm an overthinker um I'm prone to anxiety and anxiety. I walk to a six instead of walking to a two, so the things that would only move someone from a zero to a two take me from a six to an eight very often people around them will say that punishment doesn't apply. fits the crime by the way they react to certain situations, so this means that the mind is in an awakened and elevated state. alertness think of a fight response ORF flight response, but not to that level, but they are in a heightened state of alertness and this gives you that feeling of anxiety.

Now what is driving the catac colam meines may have different drivers, it could be this. genetic mutation, it could be a trauma, it could be the presence of a real fear, it could be that you have claustrophobia and you are getting into a crowded elevator, but people who have not had an isolated trauma in their life tend to consider the worst of the cases they find. If your mind is very active at night it disrupts your sleep or if you get up to go to sleep at night and you go back to bed and you can't fall asleep because your mind is awake thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts that you tend to have. to be anxious they have a tendency to worry they have a tendency to have feelings of anxiety that are not tied to their external environment those are all hallmarks of that genetic mutation, so can I see this as a predisposition?

You know, I often wonder why we can all be in the same situation but have completely different experiences. In the case of anxiety, some people, as you report, are simply for some reason more anxious in the modern world than other people. The modern world hasn't changed, we use screens and we have notifications and we have all these stimuli. They are struggling more in the modern world than others. What you're suggesting is that they might have a predisposition to worry more because of these. catacol means because of catacol means yes catacol means norepinephrine epinephrine a fedona dopamine one of those that we also call adrenaline and then you have the main driver of behavior and you have catac colomines and we all know that adrenaline does it in the body, so when these four Neurotransmitters are not downregulated just when our mind is awake and very often it is scary to think of someone having a feeling of impending doom or anxiety without any trigger and and and the other hallmark is that they will have had it on and off throughout of their life. all their lives, even when they were children, when they were children, they could have understood the complex feeling of anxiety, but they had that feeling and then when they became adults, they understood that this is anxiety, I mean, when you are when you are a child you just You're scared, right?

I mean, you don't know how to explain it to your mom, hey, I'm worried about something that might happen in the future, that probably won't happen, that never happened, but I. I'm still afraid of it happening, it's a very complex emotion so they've had it on and off their whole life, it's very hard for them to pinpoint the specific trigger that causes it most of the time if they tried an anti-anxiety medication. Medications don't work, they just make you feel like a zombie, so it's time to look inward and make sure the body has the raw material it needs to do its job, which is the B vitamin complex to break down catacolamines, so yeah I went out on the street now and I stopped 100 people right on the side of the street that they were passing by and we gave them these three tests to look at their glycemic profile, their hormone panel, their nutrient deficiencies, what are some of the most popular things that you would be missing a random group of people off the street who are critical to your high performance, so let's take the men and then the women so we can be specific about the hormones, so in 50% of that population you would see a Clinical vitamin D3 deficiency.

I have to say that you actually do a lot of testing every month. Yes, tens of thousands. We make 20,000 a month. We do around 20,000 genetic tests a month. I mean, one of the unique things about the perspective that I'm coming from is that we have voluminous amounts of data, you know, we see 20,000 of these new patients every month doing genetic methylation testing and in many of these patients we also do blood work. , so we have what's called a CBC complete metabolic panel lipid panel hormonal profile a complete thyroid panel we have your nutrient deficiencies that I'm talking about we have cholesterol triglycerides, so we have about 74 biomarkers, then we also we do this genetic testing and then look at what happens to certain biomarkers on average when you just take supplements for the deficiency.

For example, I'm not saying that everyone who has high blood pressure or hypertension has this genetic mutation, but two of these genes are highly linked to low homosysteine ​​levels. metabolism and there have been many peer-reviewed studies, we can put the link to that below in the Journal of hypertension um that links higher levels of urinary catachol amines with a and urinary homocysteine ​​with um uh cardiovascular disease because what happens is when you have a certain amino acid in particular increases in the blood called homosysteine, as this amino acid increases it has a tendency to cause the vascular system to constrict and if we make the pipe smaller in a fixed system the pressure increases but not there's nothing wrong with doing it right and so think about the fact that 85% of all hypertension diagnoses are idiopathic, it's of unknown origin, well, unknown origin means we can't find anything wrong with the heart, we've heart analyzed, electrocardiograms, EEG, stress tests, contrast studies, cardiac catheterization, what?

Do you have it, but we haven't looked at the vascular system? We have not looked at whether there was a simple nutrient deficiency that prevented this person from breaking down homosysteine, causing the vascular system to contract because we know there is a correlation between this amino acid. Acid homosysteine ​​and its elevated nature and its increased risk of cardiovascular disease, so before we go down the chemical, synthetic, pharmaceutical routes, why wouldn't we test to see if we have a problem breaking down this amino acid, you know? , break this? amino acid to something called methionine and why don't we supplement that deficiency and see if by returning that raw material to the body and normalizing the homosysteine ​​metabolism we can normalize this person, so let's get back to your question without the people on the street you would see that 50% of them have clinical vitamin D3 deficiency put calciferol, you know, the sunshine vitamin, the darker their complexion, the greater the risk that they have clinical vitamin D3 deficiency and if you put vitamin D3 in the center of the hub of a wheel and looked at all the different spokes,It is one of the only vitamins that humans manufacture on their own.

I've argued and people have counter-argued, but I take the position that it's possibly one of the most if not the most important nutrient in the human body that you need, you need a lot of essential nutrients, but if you actually start eating them with ice, you'll know that the Vitamin D3 is the only vitamin that humans make on their own. Each cell in the body has a receptor site for vitamin D3 when we are deficient in this vitamin this nutrient acts like a hormone sometimes it acts like a vitamin other times we produce it from sunlight and cholesterol when it is deficient we have an immune system committed we know that it leads to osteopenia osteoporosis there are all kinds of consequences that you wouldn't think come from a simple nutrient deficiency, but one that we get from going out in the sun, we get it from going out in the sun, we get it from sunlight and cholesterol, um and and you know, if you look at the Co statistics, it was the second leading cause of morbidity in Co um, so first you would see that they are D3 deficient, most of them are also B12 deficient if you look at the b12 vitamin.

You would see that it is less than 500 um, the upper limit of B12 is around 1.50 and then you would see that 25 to 40% of that population would be hormone deficient, meaning their hormones would be outside of the optimal range, but not because they have an endocrine system problem per se generally because they have, especially at younger ages, nutrient deficiencies, such as elevated levels of sex hormone binding globulin shbg, deficiencies in the raw materials DHEA that the body needs to make hormones, so That a good hormone panel will tell you not only what your hormone levels are, but also what some of the nutrients are. your body is using to make those hormones and again putting some of these raw materials very often DHEA, not all the time but very often putting DHEA and vitamin D3 alone in men with deficient levels of testosterone or deficient levels of free testosterone or observing a protein that disrupts the conversion of testosterone to free testosterone called shbg.

By addressing them, hormone levels are seen to return to the normal range. They do not need to take hormones from outside the body and stop their production. They need to return nutrients and raw materials to the body so that your body can produce hormones on its own and then if you look at your glycemic control, you'll see a surprisingly high percentage of prediabetic people. It's an absolute pandemic right now because so many processed foods we think that prediabetes, you know, is just because people eat a ton of sugar, so they have to drink soda and eat chocolate cake and Ben and Jerry's every night, but that's not really true when we overload. the body with high glycemic index carbohydrates even if they ate a lot of white flour white rice white bread white pasta white potatoes and fruits you know, I'm not saying that any of those things are going to

kill

you, but when we eat

diet

s high and refined carbohydrates, Even things we don't consider sweet take over our pancreas and our blood sugar goes out of control, but wouldn't you like to know that?

Wouldn't you like to know that? Do I have any of these nutrient deficiencies? or hormonal imbalances or poor blood sugar control that could be affecting my performance. Maybe I'm one raw material away, one methylated multivitamin away, or one amino acid away from being in an optimal state, maybe even without having to deal with little things like um? intermittent feelings of anxiety and anxiety or lack of attention and concentration or even mild states of mood numbness remember that Amino nutrients, for example, in our gut are converted into neurotransmitters neurotransmitters form the basis of every mood they drive our emotions they govern our behavior and so is It is possible that an amino acid such as tryptophan or phenol alanine or tyrosine, which are converted into serotonin and dopamine, deficiencies of these amino acids can cause hormonal deficiencies that could actually lead to deficiencies in the neurotransmitters that would be labeled as mental illnesses.

Yes, sorry again. I feel like I'm biting the bullet a little bit, but what I really mean is you know if we would get basic information, basic data about the body's hormonal balance, glycemic control, nutrient deficiencies, if we really looked. On what our body can convert into a usable form and what it can't and supplement that deficiency, you would see your body begin to thrive in ways you never thought possible. He also works with many high-profile people. I do what are some of the high profile names that you have permission to share, clearly, anyone who has shared their journey with me on the podcast um, it was a big hit about me in the Daily Mail that I had listed. a lot of them um but uh Dana White um Steve Harvey uh Stephen A Smith um Steve Aoki um Kendall Jenner and I were on one of his Hulu specials uh together running some IVs, there are a few others that will be public here very soon that have a podcast with me and I and I don't necessarily want to be known as a famous biologist or work with um just work with professional athletes and celebrities, my message is actually for the non- I woke up biohacker like I don't feel like my job is to sit here, impress you with how smart I am.

I feel like my job is to spread information to the masses that is educational enough to inspire them to make a change and I think too often, you know we are all competing for eyes in this space and we are trying to become the biggest influencers and really we forget about the mission of speaking to the masses and we simply start talking. with each other like we want to go on podcasts and stage talks and interviews and impress people with how much we know about the carboxylic acid cycle or the electron transport chain or something that happens inside the mitochondria and those little nuances are not What is going to impact humanity has changed a lot since we last sat down on your life.

Yes, really. I feel like I feel like I'm living someone else's life. I really do what changed. I mean, when I first approached you. It was because I saw a clip on YouTube that had 20,000 views and I thought that clip on YouTube was really interesting, so I think I personally sent you a DM and said: Hey Gary TR, to come on my show, and to be honest, I never personally sent the message. DM because yeah, because the way my team works our system here is they understand what I'm interested in and what I'm curious about right now, so they're going to go out there and try to find people for me, they're going to bring those PEs, those people. . for me like a presentation, they will introduce me to people and then I can say if I am curious enough to sit down and have the conversation right now.

I did it twice right, so in this case it was what I saw. something you did online, I don't know over a year ago, now I feel it and it was really compelling to me, so I wanted to sit down with you ever since. I've watched you, you've had this kind of thing. meteoric rise on a bunch of different podcasts and social media and your business has skyrocketed there's something different about you and what's different about you that stands out to me is that you strike me as a man who's been through something oh yeah, frankly , yeah because because the Gary I met the first time versus this Gary is slightly different and it's the kind of thing when someone has been through something M and with all good things the opposite happens, yeah, it's inevitable, yeah, I mean, you are under a level of scrutiny. you know, you start, you're so excited that you think I'm going to spread the message and God, God has blessed me with the ability to take ultra complicated information, distill it and bring it to the masses and then you realize. that there are people who are watching your videos as if they were a three-hour podcast and they are looking for the right moment, he said sodium chloride, not sodium hydroxide, quack scammer, you know, he pretends to be a doctor, he's not a doctor.

I have never claimed to be a doctor, you will not find a video, a talk on stage, a podcast, anything in the media where I have represented that I am a doctor. I try my best to say that I am not licensed to practice medicine, so yes, I have become a little more shy and a little more cautious. With what I say, it is an effort to be more precise with what I say, but I am not going to stop conveying the message. the masses because I know this is God's calling for me. I know this because I spent so many years of my life not serving humanity and I believe that many people find their purpose in their pleasure and I found my purpose in my pain. what a pain you know when when I was making predictions about life expectancy and mortality.

We were brainwashed to believe this was just information, right, you weren't responsible for it, you had nothing to do with it. Person, I was on a mortality team and we were tasked with predicting people's life expectancy for large life insurance and investment companies, so when you apply for a large life insurance policy, you know everyone is on an actuarial curve. , so you're on one, I'm on one, everyone listening to this podcast is on a current curve, what happens is when a life insurance company is getting ready to put 10 million, 20 million or 50 million dollars into risk in your life, only one thing matters, how many more. months you have left on earth and the science of predicting mortality is a very precise science.

I get a lot of criticism about this, but if you want to know how accurate life insurance companies are at predicting death, just look at what happened during the 2008-2009 period. Financial services crisis we had, we had 364 banks fail, not a single life insurance company failed. A valid death claim in the United States never went unpaid. They are some of the most solvent institutions in the world. There is no other financial services company anywhere. on the planet that would take that level of risk into a variable. I mean, you have an investment fund, you wouldn't put that level of risk in a single variable.

How many more months does this person have left on Earth and does he have data that No other medical company has data that any other collegiate university has, not even the government. They know the day, date, time, location and cause of death of millions and millions of lives, so they know what leads to early mortality, etc. How do you get your health markers to overlap? First of all, they do a blood test. If you've ever had a long life, I'm not talking about term life insurance where you get $100,000 or 2,200,000. or even a million dollar term life insurance policy.

I'm talking about permanent universal life or whole life insurance, um also annuities, when there's something in the United States called a single premium spia immediate annuity where you give the insurance company, for example, a check for a million of dollars, guarantee you a stream of income for life. Well, how do you think they're determining that revenue stream? They are predicting how many more months you have left on Earth and using morbidity factors and comorbidity factors. and yes, they influence your recreational profile, your demographic profile, it's not as simple as a blood test or a genetic test, but essentially what you do is you start on a curve in a group of a thousand lives that are similar to yours and Your life expectancy is the dead end of that curve, so if your life expectancy is 200 months, that means that in 200 months you have exactly the same chance of being dead as you are of being alive.

Now, what determines your higher chance of death or mortality factors? Are you obese, diabetic, anemic, do you have cognitive impairment? Do you comply with your medication? Do you know that there are all these different debits and then there are certain debits that we call comorbidities? So, if you are hypertensive, that was a debit if you were. diabetic that was a debit if you were obese that was a debit but if you were hypertensive diabetic and obese it wasn't 1 plus 1 plus 1 it was 1 plus 1 plus 1 equals 10 right, these were massive comorbidity factors, my job was to read the medical history and do the medical history extraction and we had incredible data on these people, you saw their trust and you saw their wills, their trust, their divorce decrees, you knew that they were treating their children differently in their their estate, bank accounts , brokerage accounts, tax returns, and their medical records, and you have recent blood tests, but when you read someone's medical record, there's more to it than just their height, weight, blood pressure, and the medications they take.

I really started to get a profile for a lot of people and a lot of times I felt like I was really getting to know these people in a strange way because I had a lot of personal information about them and you know a lot of these people came. I live for myself, I know it sounds very strange, but when you read about their repeated visits to the doctor and they constantly talk about you knowing their grandchildrenand all of a sudden you see in the medical history where the husband passed away and then you see the antidepressants creeping in and you see they're waking up, their body mass index changes and you actually, as you go through years of their medical history, you actually get a real profile for them and I started to realize that there were human beings on the other side of these spreadsheets and there were cases where I knew that if I could have picked up the phone and just reached out to that patient I could have completely changed the trajectory of their life. and I was prohibited from doing so by law and even at one point in my career was threatened with prosecution for threatening to call a patient and warn him about a possible life-threatening drug interaction that I had detected in the medical record between two doctors. that I had written contraindicated scripts and something called MIB, the Medical Information Bureau had not collected it and the data that I had said that this was going to lead to a thrombolytic event like a blood, a stroke blood check, you know , a heart attack. and stroke and um, I remember calling the Director of Human Resources and basically saying that I was going to contact this patient and they threatened me with a lawsuit and I think about it a lot and I think about all the times I could.

Picking up the phone just made a real material change in someone's life and I didn't have the opportunity to do that and a lot of my career I felt like I was, you know, sitting behind a thick glass wall watching blind people walk in. in traffic. and so he was not of service to humanity, all he wanted to do was be rich. It wasn't authentic and then I woke up one day and said what the hell am I doing. I mean, I have so much information. I'm a human being. biologist and me. I have been studying this database for 20 years.

I could help people live healthier, happier, longer lives and I left my career and went home and told my fiancee (at the time, now my wife) that I wanted to start a wellness company and that was the genesis of optimizing my company and part of the journey that I'm on and that's still you every day really, oh man, it's okay, it suits me because you know, whereas before it's really hard to imagine that you know to someone walking into your office and saying hey, you know, Gary, oh my gosh, remember the um, you know. Mrs. Smith's life expectancy, we, we did it 13 years ago, you know, you did this life expectancy was 188 months, you predict 188 months, she died in 184 months, oh my goodness, she did a great job, it's surprising that the claim was paid and it is really surprising.

You know, when you start to realize that it was someone's, you know it's like someone's sister or someone's daughter, someone's mother, you start to realize that I allow myself to be brainwashed and just think that they were data and forgetting that there were human beings in the other. side of the spreadsheet and now I'm sorry, I'm getting emotional, but, you know, now I wake up every day and I like open my eyes and I go, yeah, you know, I have the opportunity to make a difference and And I talk about the research and the fact patterns that we saw in predicting death and I want to counter them so that we can extend life, so that we can help people live longer, healthier, happier lives, so the counterarguments that you've experienced, already You know.

You use the word counterargument and H-piece HIIT, what do those types of counterarguments tend to convey in relation to your work? Obviously, you talked about the doctor thing. I've definitely made some mistakes, you know? citing articles and not research that I regret and I and I have made some of those mistakes. I think very often what I try to do is simplify the message. I talked, for example, about a study from 2018. We should put the link to it. um, which was in the Journal of um uh, headaches and facial pain, there's a journal of headaches and facial pain.

I mean it was in 2018, there were 8,819 participants in this meta-analysis, so it was a very large analysis and they found a direct inverse relationship between sodium. intake and migraines, meaning that as the sodium levels increased, the migraines decreased, now in no way am I telling everyone who has migraines that they should take some salt and they will be fine. What I'm saying is that on your comprehensive metabolic panel you can see your sodium level when your sodium level gets to a critically low level, which, believe it or not, a lot of people have people who consume water regularly, people who exercise and are not remineralized with electrolytes people who drink filtered bottled water in an effort to filter out fluoride and microplastics but do not remineralize the water get nutrient deficient sodium and you know remember that the brain does not actually have pain receptors, but the cover From the brain you do know something called the dura mater and the dura mater hates two things: it hates being stretched, it hates being contracted and what determines whether it stretches or contracts is something called the osmotic gradient, the movement of water across the membrane and yes, It can be so simple.

As for supplementing with sodium, my preference would be Baja California golden sea salt or Celtic salt, so you also get all the other trace minerals, to permanently put the migraines into remission and then, you know, all the doctors say there's no evidence. of that, well, clinical trials on that and the other, the other tool that I have on my chest is that for 20 years I worked with one of the largest databases in the world and now we are at the point where we see 20,000 new genetic tests per year. month I don't know many clinics that are this busy, so we have large amounts of data.

We see what happens when you have high homosysteine ​​and you put them on, you put a patient on an amino acid called trimethylglycine and the homosysteine ​​goes down and then they go to the doctor and their blood pressure normalizes not once or twice or anecdotally, thousands and thousands. Sometimes you see what happens to people when you get their hemoglobin A1c and insulin back down to the optimal level and their triglycerides go back to normal and their risk of cardiovascular disease goes down. You see what happens to C-reactive proteins when people take simple things like silica clays and activated charcoal, so I want to continue to get the message across that very often disease doesn't happen to us, it happens within us. and very often this happens due to deficiencies in the human body, not pathologies in the human body, and you know, in the United States we are by far the biggest spenders on healthcare, you know, we spend four trillion and half a dollar a year. in healthcare in the US we have the highest infant mortality rate we have the highest maternal mortality rate um even though we lead the world in flu vaccines and breast ecology um and breast cancer screening and screening of rectal cancer, we are also leaders in the world in cancer.

We are 52nd in life expectancy, we are 39th in healthcare provision. We are one of the most obese nations on the planet, double the obesity rate of any other civilized nation, and yet modern medicine is, you know, medical. In the era of being the third leading cause of death is where we are going to get information on how we prolong our lives and look at medical records. I've probably read thousands of times more medical records than most doctors because I read medical records all day. every day, six days a week for almost 20 years and seeing what would happen when simple deficiencies were mistaken for a pathological condition and I've talked a lot about this, like clinical vitamin D3 deficiencies over long periods of time. eventually presents as symptoms similar to rheumatoid arthritis, people have aches and pains in their joints and stiff, sore ankles and have a hard time making a fist and you know that when you are talking to the wrong doctor, very often a doctor will diagnose you based on your medical history, not before they do the EDS and rheumatoid arthritis rates, you know, actual blood checks, they'll say you know what Stephen, you have rheumatoid arthritis and you've been prescribed things like corticosteroids and in the mortality space we had data.

So we had data on all these pharmaceuticals, so we knew the trajectory of hormones, cell walls and cell membranes and vitamin D3 production when someone took a statin and lowered cholesterol and we looked at, you know, the studies will look at the cholesterol. in a complete vacuum, so LDL cholesterol is high, that's bad, let's lower LDL cholesterol with a statin to decrease the risk of cardiovascular disease, but then you have a concentrated result where you are reducing the body's ability to produce hormones and cells. cell walls and membranes, then you buy yourself a consequence. Downstream, when in reality, if we go back to simply studying the physiology of the human body when we are in the space of mortality, I don't think I have seen a single centenarian once and we process hundreds of In these death claims, I don't think I have seen There is only one centenarian who at the time of death did not have clinically elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, so the question arises: is simply having high LDL cholesterol a marker of longevity or is it a marker of cardiovascular disease that needs to be intervened with a chemical or synthetic product and these corticosteroids that they put on people, you know, very often they are inflammatory at first, but then they eat away at the joint like a termite and So, this resulted in voluminous quantities of joint replacements with so much accuracy that we could predict that treatment with some of these drugs would result in joint replacement in about six years, so we would artificially advance people's age by six years and actually schedule joint replacement for them and then we would reduce what's called their ambulatory profile, how well they ambulate, how well they move, and as we reduce their mobility, we could bring in all of these diseases that are exacerbated by reduced mobility and, in my opinion, I'm just looking at how all this happens.

I wanted to call these people and tell them that I'm not qualified to do that because I'm not licensed to practice medicine, but I wanted to call them and just say, Mrs. Jones, stop taking corticosteroids and start. supplying vitamin D3 get your B2 level to listen let's fix your hormones because this is

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ing your rebel everything counts and this is what leads you to be so depleted and no one was looking at these basic nutrient deficiencies that we would see running in the blood . work that would cause all these diseases to be exacerbated and people to succumb much sooner to death or loss of health.

How many records do you think you saw in your time? Why did you see the big picture? I would be working on two or three. of these four of these cases at a time some were shorter cases others were longer cases thousands, I mean thousands and at the end of my career I started manipulating the record um artificially just to see what would happen to the life expectancy that I would never have . send it as a report, but I would say: What if it fixed the anemia? What if you actually just corrected the D3 deficiency? What if you know that I and I were able to eliminate the prediabetic condition or reduce your hemoglobin A1c and you? you would see that life expectancy increases right and so these are modifiable risk factors and I think how many times do you know I would be reading a medical history, I'm doing fine, I know what this is going to happen, this is just going to get worse because This the patient has anemia, the classic treatment for anemas is folic acid B12 and iron and they would give him folic acid B12 and iron and it does not correct and they give him folic acid B12 and iron they do not correct folic acid B12 and the iron would not correct, so You wouldn't realize that person can't process folic acid if you gave them the methyl folate, methyl cobalamin, and iron bisglycinate that they need, they would correct it, but these are all symptoms of later Upstream problems, like something that a decision that someone has taken in their life has typically caused them to develop these conditions that way down the creek like the tree you talked about with the bad Leaf Doctors then they point to the leaf and come on we have to fix the leaf but it's at the root somewhere, so what are the things at a societal and individual level that we can do to prevent ourselves from even contracting these chronic diseases?

They are simple and simple things. I'll tell you as simply as we can. First, we should think about having an invisible fence around us, like a small force field, and we should filter things before they reach the temple, because either we can filter things for the temple or we can let the temple be the filter for that you can drink tap water and if you drink tap water your body will filter out the fluoride the chlorine the microplastics the pharmaceuticals or you can filter the water before you drink it properly and remove a toxic load from your body so what I would say is There are probably five things I would commit to doing.regular way.

Number one is when you wake up. I would drink mineralized water. I would take 10 ounces of water and add Celtic Sea salt or Baja Gold. salt to my water, the reason for this is that most of us are deficient in some or several of the trace elements in our body, the boring boron, manganese, malum, selenium and Stir It Up and just give it back. The second thing I would do would be you. We're not talking about table salt here, no, no, no, no, sodium chloride, no, I'm talking about Baja California golden sea salt, which is probably the best salt you can put in the human body because it has the 91 trace elements and has been

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in 250 parts. for a billion microplastics and glyphosate, a process that with Celtic salt is correct and if you can't get Celtic salt, then you could move to a pink Himalayan sea salt.

The problem with pink Himalayan sea salt recently is that a lot of it has a lot of weight. metals because it comes from China, so I would say the best salt is Baja California gold, a great salt is Celtic K salt and a decent salt is pink Himalayan sea salt, forget about table salt, just would permanently eliminate from your life, okay, so number one. I have my b mineralize mineralize um and then number too I would take a fish oil supplement DHEA EPA or a fatty acid supplement with DHEA or EPA oil um an MCT oil I'll take a fatty acid oil um in the morning an Omega supplement an omega omega 3 an omega3 supplement and then I would develop a morning routine that included the basics of Mother Nature sunlight grounding breath work cold shower okay so I want to get closer to grounding here mhm I'm a big fan of I connect my girlfriend to the earth ground and I hear again that my girlfriend is much smarter than me, it turns out that everything she says, I think I told you this last time, everything she tells me, eventually I sit here like a neuroscientist a year later and it turns out she was absolutely right and I thought I was a little crazy for thinking that getting out in the morning and getting down to earth was beneficial, but I've been told time and time again that that's What grounding means and why it helps us be successful. three things from Mother Nature, right, we get magnetism from the Earth, we get oxygen from the air, we get light from the sun, the further we get from those things the sicker we really become, yes, absolutely a piece of magnetism, sounds like a spiritual cuckoo thing.

Yeah, I mean, probably 10,000 years ago they probably thought the same thing about gravity, you know, but the Earth has a low gal current. I mean, we were meant to spend 85% of our time outside, now we spend 97% of our time inside. The truth is that most of us don't get enough sun, we don't get too much sun, we don't get enough and you know, because of the way we eat, the seed oils and everything that oxidizes in our skin, our cancer rates. They are exploding, but not because of our exposure to the sun, it is because of our diet and we can talk about that later, but when you touch the surface of the Earth, when your bare feet touch the bare ground, grass, sand, we discharge it into the Earth and by that I mean. you actually change the polarity in the body and this can be measured, in fact if you want to do a little experiment, find someone who has a microscope, a basic microscope, take a slide and just make a prick, prick your finger and take a drop of your blood and put it on that slide, rub it and look at it under the microscope.

I think I have a video of this on my Instagram and what you'll see when you watch your blood in real time is what you'll see the most. of your red blood cells are stuck and grouped together, not coagulated, but they attract each other because when cells have the same charge they repel each other. When they repel, the amount of surface area that that cell has to contact the outside environment increases, so which can now exchange waste, it can eliminate waste, detoxify, repair, it can regenerate, so imagine that you have a bloodstream full of red blood cells and these begin to have opposite charges, so they attract each other and when they attract they touch and in Every part that touches that cell loses surface area. to exchange with the outside environment when you touch the surface of the Earth for a few minutes, you will repolarize them, prick your finger 10 minutes after entering, put it back on the same slide, look at your blood, it will look like eggs sliding into a container with oil will hit each other and slide, but they won't get bunched up or stuck together, so what's happening then must be what's coming through my feet, the load coming through my feet, yeah, so you.

You're actually discharging into the Earth, you know you're exchanging ions, it's a low gas current, so like a magnet, you're exchanging ions with the Earth and you're discharging, you're, you're, you're grounding, what? What if I live? on the ground floor, do I still have to go out? Yes, then you have to touch bare earth, dirt, grass, sand, why can't I? If I live on the ground floor, why not the apartment on the bottom floor of the house? Because that that isolates you from the Earth's magnetic field is generally steel concrete wood there are other barriers tiles asphalt there are things that really prevent you from coming into contact with the surface of the Earth you know that there are grounding cushions that connect to the power cable ground and then, um, that ground wire, if you look at how you know the grounding happens at some point, it goes directly to the ground, there will be a post in the ground that is usually connected by copper to that wire and connects it to your grounded outlet that outlet cannot.

Just get some type of mat that has the same load. You could get a pmf mat, but again you know one of the things I get a lot of flack for is saying you have to buy everything. This equipment is expensive, so there are two ways to do it. You can buy a pulse electromagnetic field mat and a PMF mat. I have one. They cost around five thousand dollars, so if you have five thousand dollars lying around, it's one of the best investments you can make. in your bed, you go to sleep on it, you run it, you run a low current during the night, it will help you sleep soundly, you will wake up alkaline every morning, um, it will expel the electrical smog from your your body um because pmf eliminates the 5G Wi-Fi electric smog when you say you wake up alkaline every morning, so when you change the um so that the blood pH is a pretty narrow range, it's about 510 of a point, it's about half a point and it's a Complete fallacy that you can change the pH of your blood by drinking alkaline water.

Alkaline water will actually change the pH of your blood. If you want to change the pH of your blood, among other things, you apply a Low current pH means potential hydrogen, it is a charge, so by passing a low current of gas through the body or touching the surface of the Earth , you can actually move the pH of the blood slightly and that makes an alkaline state free of disease. Point out that the more acidic we become, the sicker we become, so if we want to move the pH of the blood slightly, if we want to wake up alkaline, if we want to pass a low current of gous through our body, we can touch. the surface of the Earth or buy a pmf mat so they have done tests where someone lies on a pmf mat for a certain amount of time and then they do a blood test and they find that their blood is more alkaline yes yes and that separation of blood cells can be seen instantly um coming out of a pmf I found myself again.

I have videos of me doing this to my production manager at um you know at home breaking his finger putting it on the slide putting on the uh the pmf and actually looking at it afterwards the second thing I would do is learn how to do breathing exercises . I use something called hypermax which is based on the work of Dr. Van Arden and Dr. Auto Warberg, Nobel Prize winners, and that's what it's called. Multi-step oxygen therapy where you actually take an oxygen concentrator, fill a bag with 900 liters of 95% O2, and actually just breathe that 95% O2 for 10 to 12 minutes while being active on a treadmill. run, but if I don't want to do an ewat exercise with an oxygen therapy machine.

You can learn to do breathing exercises. Activates the auxiliary breathing muscles. It brings oxygen into the lores of your lungs and out to the top of your lungs. One of the articles. What I cited turned out not to be a study and I still can't find the reference that after age 35, 90% of people will never sprint again and again. I haven't been able to find out if that came from a clinical study or it was an article, but whether that's true or not, the vast majority of people stop activating their auxiliary breathing muscles, you know, they actually exercise our diaphragm using the muscles. intercostals between our ribs pushing air towards the parts of our body and like our posture. collapses and our CO2 increases, you know, if you think about the exhaled air in your body from the tip of your nose and the tip of your mouth to the esophagus, through the bronchioles and to the farthest reaches of the lungs, that's all exhaled air until you get oxygen to the edges of the lung, you don't get oxygen into the bloodstream, so as we age and our posture collapses, our respiratory rate becomes increasingly shallow, we are essentially hyperventilating carbon dioxide and that is accelerate aging, I mean, aging is the presence of oxygen, it's the absence of disease, so just learning to do breath work, one, I would land two, I would learn to do breath work, I do a whm style of breathing.

Hoff. job. I do three rounds of 30 breaths with a long breath hold every morning, it's the one thing I never ever miss because I make small promises to myself and try to keep them and I find that I lose self-confidence when I constantly break very small promises to myself. I do myself um and I think a lot of people do this and our bodies crave consistency and then you lose confidence in yourself you say you know I go to bed at 10:30 tonight and you go to bed at 1 :00 a.m. you know and then you say I'm going to work out first thing in the morning and you don't actually work out or you get up in the morning you say I listen In that podcast, I'm going to do what Gary said: I'm going to go ashore and get some sunlight. and I'll do a little bit of breathing and then you don't do it, so the little internal promises that you make to yourself and I feel like a lot of people break these little promises that they make to themselves, they don't make them to their spouse, to their children or their partners, or you know, they are not the great promises that everyone and I know.

I think it undermines our self-confidence and our own ability to trust ourselves, so I have a morning routine. I'm very consistent with it, but the only thing that's portable to me is the ability to go out and do something. breath work and never ever Miss, I can't even tell you how many years I've gone without missing a single morning of breath work, the other thing it does for me because you know human beings crave coherence, so if within 30 minutes From waking up every day, no matter what time zone you're in, you're doing three rounds of 30 breaths, your body starts to focus on that and starts to understand that this is the morning, this is the time to go and it's very simple. to do, you know? when I'm here I wake up it may be at a different time because I'm usually on the east coast so I wake up earlier here but I go, I open the door, I go out to the balcony I sit in a chair, it's nice and it's cold outside I face the sun and I do three rounds of 30 breaths every day my partner brought me one of those big red light panels for Christmas, it was my Christmas gift and funnily enough guess what my Christmas gift was to her too yeah. you get a bed or you get the panels the panels it's so funny you're like juo or i have no idea what you're getting okay i have no idea what brand but she brought me one it's like a small one and then i was like honey open your gift and then I opened she opened hers and hers was like a big one she's literally half my size so it was pretty much swapped um but now we both use it it's a bit of a routine in the morning We wake up and go and sit down next to him and I'm not really sure what he's doing.

I just heard a lot of positive things. I've done some research on it and how to use it to make sure. I don't feel like committing suicide in any way, but what is it doing and why should everyone consider getting one? and dementia and Alzheimer's and skin and inflammation and studies will come up, but basically different nanometers of light have different effects on the body and that's why they are well researched and advertised to reduce inflammation and increase microvascular circulation so that the Los Smaller capillaries in our body are affected by light. They have a very specific effect on the mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell.

So if you were to actually break through a cell wall and enter the cytoplasm,you would find the mitochondria and you would go into the In the mitochondria, you would see that there is a motor there that rotates, it is called the KB cycle and this motor, when it spits out energy called ATP, you know, essentially, it has two options every time it makes a revolution, right ? You can create two. units of energy or creates 36 units of energy, it is 16 times more efficient or 16 times less sufficient and what determines that is whether or not oxygen enters that cycle, so one of the things that red light does is pass through the wall of the mitochondria and pushes out a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide and forces oxygen to couple, so when you get into a red light therapy bed or use red light therapy panels, one of the things that happens is that You are essentially forcing oxygen into the mitochondria.

Boosting oxygen to use the mitochondria and release a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide. This can also be measured by the way saliva can be obtained. Nitric oxide strips that you can put in your mouth and before you get into a red light therapy bed you can look at it. the saliva, um, the amount of nitric oxide in your saliva, you would see it's kind of a pale yellowish pink, then you get into one of those red light therapy beds for 20 minutes and about 10 minutes after you get out, try it again. You will see that your nitro oxide levels are through the roof, which is a positive sign that the mitochondria expelled this gas and brought in oxygen.

Imagine what happens to a cell when you give it 16 times the amount of energy so imagine eclipsing trillions of cells to allow them to eliminate waste repair detoxify regenerate just using light also has a very positive effect on collagen elastin fibrin um it is known to improve angiogenesis the formation of new blood vessels I was on Joe Rogan's podcast a few months ago and he ended up buying me one of these red light beds and we set it up in his house and he told me about four or five weeks ago that he no longer uses readers like the His, his eyesight has improved a lot and he said that he is starting to really notice the changes in his skin, so photobiomodulation is very real and it absolutely works, but you know, without people having to think that they have to spend that amount of money on a red light therapy bed, you can also just expose. your skin in sunlight, especially during first light, the first 45 minutes of the day, when there's no UVA rays, there's no UVB rays, there's large amounts of healthy blue light, um, you can still make vitamin D3, let me go over that. to be clear about the topic. point about Rogan's view.

I did a little. He was reviewing some research on the impact of red light on eyesight and saying that it's good for your eyesight and incredibly good for your eyesight because he was wondering if I should look at this thing while it's on. yeah, and then I got on Google, there was a fuss and it was like, you can look at it, you can look at it, you can, yeah, you can, because remember there's no UVA, there's no UVB, um and and some of the marginal information that comes out. If red light harms you, you must remember that red light is an infrared spectrum, for example, it is a more spectrum.

Most red light therapy beds range from 600 um of nanometers to about a thousand nanometers of light wavelength. as you get above that, you're in the infrared spectrum, but you get up to 1.00, maybe even above, give or take. In other words, when you say infrared light, this is a non-visible spectrum of light, but there are a wide number of wavelengths, so an infrared or red light bed will have infrared light, but it will be very low in the spectrum, so it doesn't create heat, it doesn't excite a chromophore that creates vibration and makes you sweat. When you go into an infrared sauna, you get really high in those wavelengths, you're exciting different chromophores in the body and the water, to be specific, and it vibrates and creates heat and you start sweating, so you don't sweat in a bed. of red light therapy even though it's low infrared on the spectrum, but you do sweat in an infrared sauna, um, even though it's infrared light, it's high on the spectrum, so infrared light and the red light that comes from Red um, red light beds, red light panels and face masks are incredibly beneficial for you.

I mean, I'd be afraid to even tell you all the positive results we've had in people who regularly use red light therapy because you can't really make medical claims about them, but I can tell you firsthand that we've seen amazing things that people would probably I would consider miracles with red light therapy. you mentioned the first 45 minutes of sunlight mhm, first light because I try, I always try to figure out the kind of evolutionary history of red light and where it came from in nature and why it was good for us as humans and why the we have lost, those are the three types of questions that We really are photovoltaic beings.

I mean, we are very attached to this Cadian cycle of the sun. I mean, light makes the body behave in very special ways. I mean, you've probably heard that receiving first light can reset your circadian cycle. You need to sleep that night more than probably any other sleep habit, so your sleep routine really starts with your morning routine and it has an effect on the cortisol receptors, it has an effect on dopamine, that is, on the melatonin receptors, remember that cortisol is a hormone. that responds to light, I mean, when our light, when our eyes are closed and the light passes through our eyelids, it has a tendency to raise our cortisol levels, which is why they tell you not to use blue light at night , right, you are stimulating. cortisol and you're stimulating the wake-up hormone when you're actually trying to go to sleep, so when you get the first light, you're telling the body it's morning, you know you're increasing cortisol. you're downregulating your melatonin receptors, you're getting healthy blue light into your eyes, you're getting healthy light into your skin, no UVA rays, no UVB, none of the sun's harmful rays and at 15 or 20 minutes if you stack them. all together you can ground yourself, do breath work, and receive sunlight, just try it for seven days.

What happens if I have the red light at night? That's going to make my body think it's morning. No, the red light doesn't work. which is completely different, it's not the blue light spectrum that we're talking about, so I can have red light at any time of the day, you can have red light at any time, in fact, red light, I find it very relaxing, to Sometimes I do my um, my red. lighted bed right before bed sleep like a baby, we've been doing that at home too, so I was checking, I googled to see if it was something that would wake me up, but no, you're right, the blue light is the thing. that wakes us up um a little bit of a tangent but I just saw you take a drink of that water M what's in that water water with hydrogen why water with hydrogen this is a little hydrogen generator I don't know if you can still see that but there's um what what it's doing there's a little lift it up and you can see it in the little electrolysis pump down there and it's basically adding hydrogen gas to the water, there's not much left in there, but if you fill it with water you can see it's fascinating.

I am so convinced that hydrogen water is the best water you can put in the human body and there is a website called hydrogen studies.com that has about 1350 studies on the site, you can go to hydrogen studies.com, when get to that site, you can search by human clinical trials or animal clinical trials so you can sort and look at human clinical trials and look at all the ways hydrogen gas is used. used in therapeutic treatments reducing inflammation and improving absorption of supplements improving sports performance delaying um uh addressing delayed muscle soreness reducing neuronal inflammation I mean, there are so many clinical trials that demonstrate the effectiveness of hydrogen gas in the body and people do it done through a nasal cannula through the ear culus through the eye rods you can breathe hydrogen gas, but by drinking hydrogen water you have a very positive effect on inflammation in the body when you pump that hydrogen in there, doesn't it come out just for the top? sealed, so it's under pressure, what it does is it forces the gas back into the liquid, and the liquid actually has a high part per million concentration of hydrogen gas.

The colder the liquid, the more gas can dissolve, so it takes about 5 hours for it to dissipate. um some people use H2 hydrogen tablets um. I just use this hydrogen bottle and take it literally everywhere. I realize that when I don't have it, how many of you started thinking about your long-term future? Cheers, when you hit 30 for me, this was an awakening moment where I thought, "Okay, I probably need to start paying a little more attention now." I already felt a change in myself when I hit 30 with things like my metabolism, my energy levels, so this year is no different Zoe, which is a company that I've invested in but also a company that sponsors this podcast and helps me make smarter food decisions, all based on their world-leading science and my own test results if I order. food I know how to make my takeout much smarter by adding things like a side of vegetables to eat first or choosing the option with more fiber.

Zoe helps me make that decision, she guides me and advises me, she is my personalized nutrition coach to have you with me 24/7 and to help you improve your journey with Zoe and start making healthier food choices. intelligent. I'm offering you a 10% discount when you join Zoe. Now all you have to do is use the code ceo1 at checkout when you sign up, enjoy and let me know how you get on one of the ones that's been really pertinent in the culture right now is this topic of a zmek mhm you know, since that we talked about has become even more popular um and it's everywhere I looked yesterday at the company that makes a zek and I think if my Apple stock app wasn't fooling me the company is worth billions now oh I'm sure yeah, zmek and then zic is a peptide called stide um it's a glp1 inhibitor, there's another one. called tepati, which actually did better in the iCal side by side tests than stide and that's the wagi um version or the mjro um seaglide version.

I think it's OIC and wovi, but they are great for people who have type two diabetes or who are morbidly obese and have problems with cravings, meaning I have diabetes or significant obesity. I think they have become vanity drugs and what people are getting now is that all the problems with emptying Castric's paralytic bowel, the fact that when you start paralytic bowel, which is where paralysis actually occurs in the intestine because one of the things that slows down is gastric emptying and therefore if you slow down gastric emptying, very often the contents can purify the intestine and it doesn't.

I am totally against these peptides. If you use these peptides, you have to be on a weight training program, so you have to be doing resistance training because a third of the weight you lose is half the weight you lose. What you miss out on in some of the studies is lean body mass, so if you're taking a sit or tepati, you want to make sure you're also taking an i. Our clinical team would prescribe a peptide, a growth hormone peptide like sorin. hypom Morin to protect the muscles and then also make sure you follow a good strength training regimen because just taking them cannot eliminate fat and what happens is you start to mobilize and metabolize fat aggressively very often. the cheeks and of the face and people are getting stide face or wovi face, they are saying now that their cheeks sink a lot into their eyes, the fat pads under their eyes are metabolized, their eyes start to look like if they were sunk.

So if you are morbidly obese or have a significant amount of weight to lose, struggle with the cravings you have, or are severely prediabetic or diabetic. I mean, they can change your life, but for vanity reasons, I don't do it. I think there are much better peptides and much better ways to do it. What is your life like today? Is incredible. Know. I think I was telling you before I came on today's show that I feel like I'm living someone else's life. I can't believe I found something that I would otherwise do for free and somehow monetize it and you must feel the same way, you know when you are when you're doing a podcast and you know your The message starts to resonate the heat of PE heat of the people that attracts, I mean the rooms that you can go into and for me I have an insatiable level of intellectual curiosity like I'm super, super curious and the fact that I can sit down.

I agree with people like you, but some of the greatest minds you know in the world who are studying longevity, anti-aging

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, cancer mortality, sports performance, it's just that Ipinch, I mean, I really do with our privilege. pain, yeah, what's the pain? um, you gotta be honest with me because that's why we started this podcast many years ago, um, you know, for me, um, the pain is that as I've become more popular, I guess, um. and as the message resonates, I have become a little more distant from the people I initially sought to serve and support.

I had a much more individual reaction, I mean, interaction at first and now I just can't interact with them. There are a number of people who would like me to do it and who really need me and I have focused my attention on trying to train and support the training of as many qualified people as I can so that we can really reach the masses and I had no idea how. how much the message resonated and it resonated in a way that dominated my company and you know one of the worst things is to collapse under the weight of your own success um and that didn't quite happen, but you know the message started to resonate and there was so much. people who came to take our tests and seek our services who really needed us and I felt the weight of that need.

For a period of time we couldn't respond, we felt overwhelmed and that became a vitriol for some. cases, um, that's stabilized now, but, you know, it's like be careful what you ask for, um, because you might get it, but in the same way, it wouldn't change anything. I feel like the most blessed. Person in the world, what about Family Impact? Because you have children and everything you know is the greatest blessing to me. My kids are landing at LAX and in a few hours they will be in the air right now. I have three children and the oldest two work for me full time and my daughter just graduated from nursing school and is starting her doctorate in nursing.

My son is about 14 weeks late, so they are both going to get their PhD and nursing. so they will both have their doctorate in nursing and that is the greatest blessing in life is when you see that your children have a passion because I feel like you can teach your children anything but you can't give them a passion and the and the fact that they think the same. enough in me and what I'm doing to want to follow in my footsteps is that it's beyond anything I can't put into words because I travel with my kids, I see clients with my my kids.

My wife is also in the business and I think the pace of our life would be much more difficult if I didn't have my family around. I once saw Dr. Petera speaking on a podcast and I'm paraphrasing, so no. I don't know if I'm understanding this right, but he said that you have 19 years with your children, the first 18 are from when they are born until they are 18 and then they are gone, the last year extends throughout the rest of their lives and I thought how sad because I spend more time with my children now than almost since the day they were born and they are becoming these adults that really inspire me and that's why I think that of all the blessings that God has given me, that is the most big.

There are a couple more things I was really curious about. When I knew I was going to talk to you today, one of them was what we were talking about there with your family, which is like the role of community, where clearly we're in some kind of epidemic of loneliness and well, you know, we knew this in the life expectancy space, and this is a material fact that if you wanted to eliminate. Someone's life expectancy is cut in half and any age puts them in isolation, so if you put a human being in isolation you will cut their life expectancy in half.

How can you see that in the data? Because there would be something we call broken heart syndrome. or caregiver syndrome um and it's well documented in older people um you know when you have a partner that you've been with for 40 or 50 or 60 years and that partner passes very shortly after the second partner leaves and I always thought that was a myth like a nice story of heartbreak and love when we call it broken heart syndrome it had nothing to do with a broken heart but I mean the emotional state, I mean the frequency in your body changes, um and when this gives up, this gives the mind and body when the Mind surrenders, the body surrenders and there is a lot of emerging evidence that is actually putting some science behind this. the theory that emotions can make us sick and I think everyone believes that and that stress can actually lead to pathology and illness, but you know when we isolate human beings it's hard to isolate them completely, but we know when We isolate human beings and that has a traumatic effect on life expectancy.

One of the worst research we do is when we study components of the body or cells of the human body in isolation, a cell is taken out and put in. You put it in a petri dish and see how it behaves in vitro and then you assume that when you put that cell back into the body it will behave that way because cells also exist in communities, they exchange with their outside environment, they remove waste and repair. they detox, they're a very active community, so, you know, community impact has meaning down to the cellular level, they do animal studies on this kind of stuff, right, oh yeah, there's no question about loneliness and Lon and and and isolation and has a dramatic effect on life expectancy.

It's been a while since I read an animal study, but we knew that isolation had a dramatic effect on mortality, so when? When a loved one moved into an assisted care facility or we looked at the proximity of members? from the family to a mother or a father who had just lost a grandmother or a grandfather who had just lost one or another spouse and you knew the family wasn't coming to visit you often and then now that person was isolated um and when I mean to isolation it was not completely isolated but it was isolated from daily activity which had a dramatic effect on life expectancy, it was a comorbidity factor that we use and mainly in the elderly, but it would also happen at younger ages so I think community is increasingly important to me.

You know, I remember when I sold my company, my partner, the time I owned the Grant card, told me that his sphere is about to get a lot smaller and I was like that. It doesn't make sense, my sphere is about to get a lot bigger and it was true, what he said was very true, you know, I spend most of my time with my kids, they work for me full time, we travel. together we see clients together um we're on the hunt together um they're big supporters of the business they got infected they're in school together you know my youngest son still lives with me so my circle has gotten a lot smaller even though you see me around with Dana Whites and you know, in celebrities and athletes and those are the flashball moments, but in my day to day, week to week and month to month, it's me.

I'm intensely surrounded by my family and a very small team that I have a high level of trust in that is really helping me continue to serve the clients that I'm working with, what about retirement and then purpose and role it plays in our longevity it's been a while since I used to memorize the vbt, the basic table of variables, but there is a probabilistic factor um um for retirement and community interaction and um, I forget exactly what the level of impact was, but We had a probabilistic model where we would use this demographic data, but there is no doubt that mortality accelerates after retirement.

I don't know if I've gone deep enough into the science to comment on it accurately, but it must have something to do with the loss of a sense of purpose when you look at the blue zones and the centenarians, you know one of the key issues even beyond diet because you know the diets were very different, you know Singapore has one of the longest life expectancies on Earth. to eat the greatest amount of meat Sardinia has a very long life expectancy they eat they eat large amounts of bread, pasta and flour, you know, the blue areas of the Mediterranean eat large amounts of oils, fish and fats, but what was an issue common among all of them? it was mobility towards older ages and a sense of purpose and there were no assisted care living facilities where assisted care was when grandma and grandpa came back to live with their children and lived with the children until the day they died and maybe their purpose was just to get vegetables that night for dinner um and grandpa's purpose maybe was to continue making belts for the leather smith in the future, but they had a sense of purpose when you remember your job in life insurance and the role that you had, are there parts of it that you remember now and think of in the industry that are unethical because you can't approach these people because of the law and privacy, like you said, that would be a violation? from a variety of different types of policies and things, but is there anything else within the practice that you find unethical, just the fact that you know I was not allowed to have any contact with the patient or the doctor in training and I I understand it for a good reason because most people who do this job are not licensed to practice medicine, they don't want you to jump into the practice of medicine, but when you notice things that are obvious, then maybe you know that a doctor would do it.

I appreciated that phone call. Oh my god, I didn't know she was in that other script. Thanks for calling. I mean, it wasn't to bother them or take over their medical practice, but I really wish that database. see the light of day the databases that are used to predict mortality in my opinion could change the face of humanity. I know why they won't because it would disrupt modern medicine in a way that I think would be catastrophic and destroy their business as well. Wouldn't that be because they need people to die? They really do it because they don't want to pay the annuities well, you know, they need people to die.

Life insurance wants people to live a little longer. Okay, oh yeah, because the longer. they live, the more they pay, the more they live, the more they pay, but annuities, but annuities, you've basically made a deposit, so they want that deposit, they guaranteed me an income stream for Life W, so if you could mature tomorrow, that would be know well for me and the same companies do the same two companies do both okay there's something called life insurance life annuity contract a lila where you actually put an annuity and a life insurance policy in the same life and you can't lose.

I did it. a genetic test with 10x, you did it, I did it and like you said you can't give me my test results but I wanted to invite Dr. Carrie sard who will give me those results now and she will explain a little bit about my results and also what the test is and what it means to me, so I'm really excited to see the results. I'm excited for you to see them. We are going to bring it a couple of days ago. I had someone. I came to my studio and they swabbed the inside of my mouth for something called a 10x genetic methylation test.

I think what that test was and why I did it. You did this to look at the top five methylation genes, so remember that if we extracted your entire genetic code we would get a lot of non-actionable information. I could see that you have dark olive skin, you have dark eyes, you have detached earlobes, but there is nothing you can do with that genetic information, we want genetic information that is actionable, so while you can't go in and fix the gene, very often you can complement their function and methylation genes are very special because they encode the process of converting a raw material into a usable form, in other words we take folic acid. or its derivatives, but we convert it into a usable form called methylfolate and that's why this process is called methylation, it's the most important process that humans go through, we do it 300 billion times a day and when you have breaks in certain genes, this means that your body does not convert a raw material into a usable form and this causes a deficiency and very often it is this deficiency that leads to some of the most common ailments that we suffer from.

Dr. Carrie. Hello, thanks for inviting me. Could you give us a little bit? From your biography and your background, I'm sure my original training was surgical, obstetrical and gynecological, and I found that more chronic diseases were happening and people weren't really getting better, so my specialized training has been in functional medicine, sort of A more holistic approach I have two master's degrees in this and I met with Mr. Brea eight years ago, it's been a while and in a small room and we started looking at these genetic tests and the reasons why people weren't getting better.

So I have my test results here, the full disclosure of which I haven't seen yet, so Jack put them on my iPad and told me I can swipe up and look at them. So what am I looking at here and what? He tells me it's okay? So, with your permission, we can share that, of course, because that is important only if it is good. I'm kidding. Well, I want to tell you that your parents made you a solid, yes they did, you won genetics. lottery, so remember that ingenetics I think people get confused. Jeans are like blueprints, so your mother writes half of that blueprint and your father writes the other half and you are born with it, you take it to the grave, so when you have something that is not exactly what you want it is variant is the term we tend to use when that happens, we want to find ways to fix it, how do we color code this so that it's understandable if you have sort of a normal copy and a normal copy of each parent that is green and if you have a copy of a parent that is normal but a copy that is not, let's color it yellow and you have one of those and if having both copies are not normal, we are red and you don't have any of those, which is cool and the meaning of that's green jeans will code 100%, you're ready to wear yellow jeans about 40% Red jeans 10 or less and I think of it like putting spokes on a wheel, it just clogs it up because these genes follow one pathway, it's the methylation pathway. .

I like to think of methylation as activation, like we're talking about taking something raw, bringing it in and allowing your cells to convert it into what they can use, so if you have a glitch along the way, it's not going to be as efficient, so you'll want to fix your only variant gene there so you can get right with that first gene. that's probably the most common one and that's the really popular one, um, we take it to the next level, we follow the path all the way up and the reason this matters is because it affects everything about you, it affects how you sleep, it ultimately affects. in the future, on a deeper level, how you sleep, how your thyroid works, how your gut works, how your mood, how you detoxify, especially heavy metals, how you detoxify, does your inflammation affect your body, what how well you can fight your radicals, those are all important things. and that's why this is more than just data, it's real data, so if you don't correct your yellow you're not going to be as good at doing all that stuff, detox, fight inflammation, bowel movement, that kind of stuff and it's a Pretty simple solution for you, if you don't activate or activate those nutrients, then we will give you activated nutrients, for example, you will most likely have problems activating B12, that is probably a problem where it is not as efficient of course which it does, but it's not as efficient because it's not green, so you would want to take the activated B12 from the methylated B12 form, so by doing it every day I compare it to the broken road, but you've built a bridge.

About that, this is how you can compensate for that genetic variant or that genetic break. We like to call them affectionately in my results. It says that one of the parents passed on a genetic mutation. Which was? So, that's it, that's how he wants you to know who to blame, so that's the thing, unless you've examined your parents, you won't really know who gave you what. Well, you know you had one that gave you a normal gene and another that gave you a variant, and that's why yellow What else does this mean to me on a practical level?

Does this mean I'm going to like it? I want to know if there are any kind of health implications that I should be aware of, so any time you have any kind of variant in your methylation, especially in the lower pathway, you need to understand that it will affect you completely, so the Effects can be anything from simple sleep problems to not being able to sleep at all, uh it can be mood, uh, visceral problems, okay, but you can get it out of the loop with the comment. Can you tell me about the worst kind of profile you've ever seen and the kind of global consequences of that in the real world when all five of your markers are on? they're disrupted, yeah, we've seen them where there's a strong mix of red and green, okay, um, and this is where you see significant personality disturbance, um significant, what we would call serious mental illness, ADD, ADHD , OCD, manic depression, bipolar, um, you see very High propensity for addiction due to reduced dopamine level.

Significant sleep disorders are seen. Very serious intestinal problems. Gas bloating. Diarrhea, therapies or changes in diet. Those are amazing cases to watch the clinical team work with because by getting the methylation right, I've seen those cases solved by our clinical team and a lot of those symptoms become completely remitted and we have a lot of opportunities to make good people great, but when you can materially change someone's life, um, by fixing those genetic mutations, that's when you're really making an impact, here are these five acronyms, comp and then it says mind ah HC and then it says mind MTR r r then it says gut MTR upper intestine that says lower intestine, that's the one where I have this yellow and then there's the one that shouldn't say that the m T HFR which is the mind and the intestine, these are the five types of factors for methylation, which are actually It's about how I process the ingredients I put in my body, yes, and I guess they are in different stages of my body, so the ones that say mind are in my head.

MH, the one that says upper intestine is higher up in my intestine. one that says lower is in my lower intestine and then this Mt HFR that says mind and intestine, that's yes and the reason is remember these are sequential so I always use the analogy of thinking it's like a sack pass of sand, so you have a group of guys lined up, you have a guy who takes the sandbags out of the truck and passes them to the next and he passes them to the next and so on, if at the beginning of that chain he was supposed to take 10 bags of sand out of the truck. truck, but dropped four, the best the rest of the line could do is six, so in other words, if an early gene like MTHFR, which is early in the methylation cycle, is damaged, it affects everything the downstream flow and if several Gene Snips later you have another important one.

The genetic cut will affect things further downstream, so the reason MTHFR is one of the worst you can have, but the easiest to fix, is because it is the earliest in the methylation cycle, okay, it's the first, right, it's the first, so if it's red, it means both parents gave it to you. That genetic mutation could have consequences throughout the methylation cycle, so what you tend to see if someone has the yes, that's why if you Google the consequences of MTHFR or MTHFR and um MTHFR miscarriages and you add MTHFR and ADHD mtfr and anxiety, We are going to see hordes of articles and clinical studies linking that genetic mutation with what seems like a wide variety of consequences.

Well, that wide variety of consequences is actually related to the Snips genes that are lower down, but they are affected because they are not getting the raw materials they need to do their job and, in my opinion, one of the things that is most is overlooked in all of modern medicine, as simple as this test is and so easily and widely available. I'm surprised that most Frontline clinics don't do this because people do it once in a lifetime and take deficiency supplements and sometimes you see miraculous changes in their life Gary, thank you. I'm going to put these results in the description of this episode below exactly as it is here in front of me so everyone can see it and the details of how I got the test etc. will be available there for you guys to review as you know We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest without knowing who will leave it for the question they left for you is this.

I wish I knew who his last guest was. Okay so they said they were quoting someone and he says galini said know the change you want to see in the world what is the change you want to see look like goini are you trying to read this Gandhi Gandhi said know the change you want to see in the world what is the change that you want to see and how you will be wow well I want to see people live healthier, happier, longer lives, fuller lives and I will be by continuing to spread the message and that's why I'm here and that's when I I wake up a new one every day and I can't compare myself to Gandhi, but I will spend the rest of my adult life continuing to spread the message Gary, thank you so much, having come to know that you are on and off camera, you are such a genuine human being, true and lovely, thank you and your intention and your intentions are so clear to me and so pure, so you know.

I have had many people reach out to me since our last conversation and tell me about the value of your advice. had thousands and thousands of people in their lives, I mean, that makes me, I mean, I looked at the last conversation, I looked at my emails at that time, I looked up your name and when I say thousands, I mean thousands and thousands of people who they are reporting. have a better life, a happier life because they hear that amazing conversation that they probably won't be able to reach you, so on behalf of those people I wanted to say thank you so much for doing what you do because it's so important, man.

It's not always easy, yes, but you know it's an occupational risk, yes, it's exposing yourself to the world as I would know, so thank you very much. I appreciate your time, super welcome.