Mark Shaw: Fighting for Justice for Marilyn, JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen

Become a sustaining member of the Commonwealth Club for just $10 a month. Welcome to the Commonwealth Club. I'm George Hammond, President of the Humanities Forum. I would like to welcome you to our online audience and our live audience here in San Francisco. This is one of more than 900 Commonwealth Club programs streamed live since the start of the pandemic. And we have a great author here again with us tonight. He will return after 18 months. 18 months ago we sat down with him, although he didn't actually sit here. But we were on stage and he, you know, was attracted to our live streaming technology.

And we'll talk a little more about that. Since then, he has become something of a source of information on the same topic. He thought he was going to retire after that last book, but so much new information came in that 18 months later, he has a new book. So we have Mark Shaw here with us tonight to talk about his life and his fight for

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for Marilyn Monroe, JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen. And welcome, Marshall. It's the Commonwealth Club again. Thank you. Thank you. A lot. Did you think you were going to retire? Okay, yes. Yes, it's amazing.

He was telling some people here. My life has been magical. I am very blessed with so many things that have happened to me. I have no idea how I ended up. This is the sixth book I have written, Touching the Lives of Marilyn, Dorothy, and the JFK Assassination. And a lot of it, as George said, comes from people who have seen my interviews and presentations. I think there are seven and a half million views on YouTube and I read my books, and I was going to quit after the last book, which was Collateral Damage, which connected the lives and times of Marilyn, JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen for the first time. time.

But in February I got a phone call and everything changed for me. And I think it will change everything for you and the whole perspective you ever had on the JFK assassination. So we'll come back to that in a moment. But basically, tonight we're going to expose what I call the most alarming government corruption in American history. Yes. Can we say that this is the Warren Commission? Yes, good. This is the Warren Commission. Well. This is the Warren Commission. One of those crowdsourcers had personal access to the Warren Commission. That's how it is. First time. Yes.

So Nicholas has a commentary on that, on the book and through the eyes of, you know, Dorothy Kilgallen. And this man. Yes. Oh, this is the Warren Commission signature or delivery. We'll get back to that if we can. We will come. Back. Good, excellent. So let's start with a little bit of how Mark came to this. Well, I am the most successful and amazing team. You almost know it, I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I have no idea how I got all this information except that it is the Holy Spirit and also Dorothy Kilgallen sort of Senate my way.

That's why I felt the duty to present it to the public and let them know. And my books are books to stop and think about. And this is, I think, my 31st book. And I want people to stop and think about important things. And in this situation, people have asked me, how would you do this? You know, with nothing better than average intelligence. And in this particular book, I took people back to the early years for that reason and also to show them why I feel like I had the credentials to end up investing, helping what I think is one of the most important events in history, the assassination of John F.

Kennedy, as well as the collateral damage to Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallen, who gave their lives at an early age. So I went back to the first time at Purdue in 1964, and as you'll see, I put this slide up because it shows me in the front row of my fraternity class, and that's the independence I've had. had since then. You know, I've never been afraid to go out alone. And sometimes they criticize me for my research and things like that. And then these are my wonderful parents, and that's there because the basic lesson my father taught me was that if you're not smarter than other people, you just need to work twice as hard.

And that's what I've done. I have gone the extra mile. Many other people have researched these topics, but are not willing to go all the way. And that's what I think has helped me find this, my contributions to history, as I call them. Now, it's hard for a parent to know how smart you are. Mark like this. Everyone is amazed. I'm not kidding about what happened to me wearing it. So we did it. And then I want to go back and go over them quickly. But this is where I started standing up for people. I feel like John F Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe.

Now, Marilyn Monroe died in '62, JFK in '63. Dorothy in '65. And then, of course, Bobby Kennedy in '68. They're my clients in a way. And the reason I say that is because I started as a public defender and then as a criminal defense attorney, and this was me, a gentleman who was trying to be arrested for a crime. He was loose. And I'm there on the left side with his mother and the Indianapolis police chief, trying to get him to, you know, show up. And it didn't matter who he was or what they supposedly did, I was there for them, just as I try to be there for Marilyn, Dorothy and JFK.

This was an article that was written about me. It's kind of a joke, but if you remember the TV show Petrocelli, the Indianapolis Star called me a modern form of Petrocelli. He was wearing an old, worn trench coat. My office was full of soda bottles. People paid me with bags, full grocery bags, full of cash. You only accept cash when you are a criminal defense attorney. So I would put them in these old books on these shelves. And when I finally left Indianapolis, I had a bunch of that cash that I put in a little car with me.

So that's where I started standing up for people. As you can say, this was the biggest breakup of my life after Ashley Bailey. And you know who is represented, Patty Hearst right here in San Francisco and she ruined that case. And I can give you some information about that tonight. But there was a case where a gentleman was supposedly involved with a DNR agent who was put in a doctor's office and that DNA agent ended up in a farmer's pond on a headless slab of cement. Well. In the case of the headless torso, he made the best decision of his life.

He called Lee Bailey in Boston, Massachusetts, and Bailey then honored me by choosing me over all the attorneys in Indiana to work with him. And that enhanced my reputation, you know, as jail eyes first, early in the morning first and doing all that. But this made the big difference there. And Lee will always come a little later when he's done with Good Morning America, because he was responsible for that. And then, five years later, I represented a young man who allegedly shot a social worker at point-blank range, a senseless crime. And I tried that case and had a winning streak of a lot of murder trials.

And I was so upset by what happened to this victim that when a reporter from the Star came up and said, what? What are you going to do now? I said I quit and ended up moving to Colorado. I left the practice of law, it surprised everyone and all that. But in those cases there are no winners. It is awful. Whoever committed the crime, his life is over. And obviously the victim is too. So that and I want to mention one more thing there. There I learned to write. I never had any fancy classes, or training, or Iowa workshops.

I learned to write by talking to jurors, and people are kind enough to say that my books are easy to read. Well, they are because I don't have a big vocabulary. I'm from a small town, Auburn, Indiana. I don't use big words at all, but I talk to the reader and that's what I try to do and that's what I've tried to do, especially in this new book, Fighting for Justice. So I moved to Colorado and here's another one of those serendipitous points, because you may remember that Spider Savage, a famous skier, was shot to death and they suspected that Andy Williams' wife, Claudine Longe, had been responsible for that.

Definitely. Bailey was supposed to try to cover that case. He couldn't do it directly and he corrected me again. Here is one of those magical things about my blessed life. Most people who end up on network television start at the lowest point. You could possibly start with a local station. I started from the top. Alright. I covered that trial. Claudina trusted me. And I want to get back to that too, because for some reason people trust me, as you'll hear from a gentleman who tells us everything about the war, and they trust me with information. And that's what happened here.

Claudine gave me her only statement on that case. I really felt like she really committed murder. She was not found guilty of murder. But that's how I got to national television. And at that time, I also had an idea while working for Good Morning America. That's where I covered the trial for who I covered the trial for. And I ended up at a small news station in Mile City, Montana. And on the table was the Miles City Daily News and Aspen, Colorado, where I lived. I didn't have a newspaper, so I came up with the idea and the Aspen Daily News was born.

It is still working today. And that was my first writing. I wrote columns for that newspaper. How many of you in the audience remember Claudine's lunch? A murder? Because that was nice. Pretty? Oh, it's huge at that moment. Yes. And Andy Williams, his wife, simply. Absolutely. Yes that's fine. Well. So we'll move quickly. Alright. Why do we put Angelo Bruno here? Well, everything you're going to hear now, you're going to see what ends up circling around what I believe. My biggest contribution to the story is when we got to the Warren Commission. Angelo Bruno was a mobster from Philadelphia, the king of the mafia there.

And Good Morning America set it up so I could go interview his lawyer. But we were shocked, as you can imagine, because these people are supposed to keep their mouths shut. Good. So I went there and interviewed this gentleman and he gave us information we couldn't believe about gambling in Atlantic City. And it was all on the show the next morning and it was a huge success. And then the producer said, Mark, stay there and see if he talks to you again. So I called this man's lawyer to see if I could talk to him. And it was when I spoke to the secretary, she remained silent.

And finally I knew she was crying and she said, Well, Mr. Show, I guess he doesn't know. When my boss started this car this morning, it exploded. And that will be solved. When we talk about the fact that you can't play with the mafia, they play by their own rules. And that's the first time I learned that. Quickly with these two cases, I covered the O.J. Simpson case. What I remember is a party in Hollywood at one point and there was O.J. with Nicole Brown, Nicole Brown Simpson. I'm telling you what, she lit up the room.

There was nobody there. And it reminds me of when I worked on Marilyn's case, when Marilyn was on the screen, there was no one else there. And when I was on an ESPN show when O.J. I was driving his Bronco, remember?, and all that. But the only thing I remember is the horrible situation of this woman passing away and dying. Kobe Bryant. I also covered that case for ESPN. I went to Colorado where he was accused of rape. And I'll tell you right now, he was very guilty. And every time I hear about all of his basketball exploits and everything else, that man should have been in prison.

I went to the first hearings in that case, the prosecution completely ignored all the evidentiary issues and everything else. Let the name of the victim be known. And from that moment on, he got really scared and probably left. In my opinion, that is a guilty man. I wrote about it in USA Today and I got all, you know, all kinds of criticism. But I hear the evidence. He would have been convicted. Alright. So here is the next moment of change. He returned to Indiana from where he had been in California. And the judge in the Mike Tyson case was accused of rape in 1992.

And the judge in the case had been a prosecutor when I was a defense attorney. I lived in southern Indiana then. And I called her and said, Hey, I'd like to cover the case. Can you get me a credential? She said: Well, Mark, you've been involved in the media. Why don't you deal with the media? So I did it and sat in the front row and watched this man with the worst defense anyone has ever had. Don King, her promoter, decided that he wanted to get a lawyer for Simpson. And Don King had just won a tax evasion case.

So he said, well, if that lawyer is good enough for me, good enough for Mike, he had a tax evasion lawyer, just like you're going to hear Jack Ruby had Melvin Belli, who was a liability lawyer. Well, what happened to Tyson? I remember the moment the jury came in and that's how he pleaded guilty. He should never, ever have been convicted of that crime. The evidence was nowhere near overwhelming at all. So I decided, hey, I'll write a book about that. This was the first, 47 years, in 1992, until the time of counting. And I remember quickly, I remember waking up one morning and being told there was a review in the Indianapolis Star, and that's how I started my writing career.

Read it to me. Could you know aboutwhat are you sure? And I said: Yes, I will read it. Mark Shaw's book on Tyson Worthless. Sincere to the core. That's how I started. You didn't put that blurb in the back of the book. I didn't do that. Alright. So here is Mr. Belli. I practiced law with Melvin Belli. And in the 1980s, that's why I had such an advantage over everyone else who investigated the JFK assassination, because I knew this man and I worked in his office at one point and helped him film some commercials and a little video that he put on air.

Injury attorney, as you probably already know. KING of damages, without any experience in criminal law. But as I was working on that particular book, I found that if we go to the next slide, I found that he's always, you know, in front of things. And that was the photograph that changed everything for Belli, that is Melvin Belli. And in the middle is a gangster named Mickey Cohen from Los Angeles. Terrible, destructive and dangerous man. And I thought, wait a minute, Bell is friends with that guy. And I said: Yes, I came to the conclusion that yes, he was.

So I looked into that and put all of that on Melvin as king of the courtroom, because he ended up representing Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. And being a curious guy like George, I'm not going to let that slide. What the hell is he doing? Representing Jack Ruby, accused of a capital crime. And that really catapulted me to realize that the mafia in some way or another could have been involved in JFK's death. Well. So I have all of that in that particular book. You know, JFK is assassinated. What do we have next then?

Just there. That's Ruby shooting Oswald. There's Ruby and there's Melvin Belli with Jack Ruby at Ruby's trial. And all of that will come into play when we next talk about Dorothy Kilgallen. Alright. So from there I thought, okay, I need to look into this again. These clues would just appear in my life and then I would follow them and try to see how I could expose the best evidence about them. I don't speculate. I used primary sources and all that. So The Venomous Patriarch was the next book and I went back to the 1960 election, and many of you will remember what happened then.

JFK was going to lose to Richard Nixon if they didn't win Illinois and West Virginia. And what I discovered was that Joe Kennedy, because some of his colleagues, so to speak, are involved in the mafia. He used Frank Sinatra to contact a mobster in Chicago, Sam Giancana, a mobster in New Orleans named Carlos Marcello, who is listed here among a group of them, and told them, basically, Sinatra promised, if you help. They win the elections, the new administration will leave them alone. Alright. Then they help him win the elections. And what is the first thing that happens?

And I have a witness who was right there at a breakfast when Joe Kennedy ordered JFK to name no less than who. Bobby Kennedy, Attorney General. If you know anything about Bobby Kennedy, you know that he hated the mob. He wrote a book called The Enemy Within, where he made fun of them at the McClellan hearings. He talked about some of them laughing and stuff like that. He hated these guys and it shows his brother and his father that he was a big shot. He went ahead and sent Carlos Marcello to Guatemala, kicked him out of the country.

Marcello comes back and we'll talk about this a little later. But Marcello comes back and says to himself: I can't let Bobby Kennedy move on. I want to kill that son of a bitch. But if I do good logic, then Jack Kennedy will come after me with everything the government has. But if I kill Jack Kennedy, he's fine, Bobby Kennedy will be powerless. And the proof is what? That's exactly what happened. Bobby resigned as attorney general and they never went after those guys again. So that was on the poisoned Patriot. Alright, I'm done again. And this is Joe Kennedy.

This is Bobby. There is Marcello whom he deported. You know, Nick Pileggi gave me wonderful endorsement for this book. He told me a long time ago that anyone who is Sicilian the first thing he thinks about when someone messes up is revenge. And that's true. And it all goes back to Angelo Bruni. You can't play with those guys. And Bobby Kennedy did it. And he cost him, in my opinion, the life of his brother. Well. So now we come to the one I love. I love this woman, Dorothy Kilgallen, a lot of people don't know anything about her.

Well. I didn't do it either. But I'll tell you, I had an idea when I interviewed one of Melvin Bligh's best friends and he said, Oh, you know Melvin Bell, I knew Dorothy Kilgallen. I said, Dorothy Kilgallen, she was on a quiz show. What is my line? How would she know her? Well, she was at Ruby's trial. And do you know what Mel said about that? He said, you know, Mark, he said, they've killed Dorothy. Now they will go after Jack Ruby. Now, this was after Dorothy died and that really made me curious as to what this woman was up to, if you know anything about her.

The New York Post called her the most powerful female voice in America. She was on What's My Line? She was a star artist there. She was like a prosecutor who guesses people's occupations. She had a newspaper column, syndicated in 300,200 newspapers across the country, a radio show heard by a million people every day. She was a big shot. The New York Post called her the most powerful female voice in America in the next slide. And here she is. This is Dorotea. Her ancestry is from the western part of Ireland. This is her in eighth grade. And this is dear Dorothy when she was just a rookie reporter.

So I learned a lot about her. And then I went back and found other information about her. In 1936 she competed in what they call the round the world race, which was a big event. She and two other reporters traveled the world by commercial transportation. Good. They didn't have airplanes or anything like that, so they took ships and railroads and everything else. She set records for all the accomplishments she had. It was Larry King on CNN when he told me she was a brave woman. She was a brave woman. She was a brave woman. And as you will see, she ended up costing him his life.

There she is on What's My Line. Not only did she cover the queen's coronation, she got the queen to let her go, even though the first time the queen got a perm she did her hair. There is a clipping of that that I have. There she is like this. And then the next one is her with Ernest Hemingway. How's that for a compliment? Dorothy Kilgallen is the world's greatest writer. How is that? Fairly good. Well, there she is at the typewriter. And then she covered the important cases of the day. She covered the Charles Lindbergh baby kidnapping case.

She covered the case of Dr. Sam Shepard, who you may remember involved, you know, became the fugitive. Correct. Alright. She covered that. This is my favorite photo of her because it says everything that she is standing in the middle of all these reporters in the courtroom in the Dr. Sam Shepard case. Alright. On trial. And what are all the journalists doing? Admiring her. How many people around the world have said to me: I wish we had a journalist today with the integrity of Dorothy Kilgallen? Unfortunately, we don't. So Dorothy Kilgallen, why did she get involved in JFK's assassination?

Well, she was a very, very close friend, George. You know, from JFK. She had been to his house and played charades, attended parties, seen her in all kinds of places. But the trick was that, at one point, Pierre Salinger invited her to the White House with her young son. Kerry. Yes. Where is Kerry? We have to meet the next client. One or two, in any case. Alright, we'll show it anyway. So I went to the White House and JFK made a big deal about the little third graders and the letters he brought and all that. And it meant a lot to you.

Give her one to give them a 109 pin. So when JFK was killed, that's what Dorothy wrote in one of her columns, and we'll talk about the rest too. She wrote: What I remember is a tall man leaning over a little boy, praising the letters he brought from his third grade class. This is the man who died. She took it personally. And where did she do it? She left that room she had in New York and went to Ruby's trial. Here's Dorothy at Daley in Dealey Plaza. Well. She was right here on the right side. She is the one searched at the trial.

And what did she start doing? She didn't buy any of that from Oswald alone at all. And the first column of hers that she wrote was The Oswald File Should Not Be Closed. And there and in the book and there's a lot more in the book and I hope you take a look at it because it's all in the context of everything else that happened. But she basically said that

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is a big rug. When you tear it out from under one man, many others fall too. And she went on to say, how can this happen when a guy named Oswald supposedly shoots the president and then a guy named Jack Ruby comes in and kills him?

It just didn't make any sense to her. And from the beginning she made a terrible enemy. And that was J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI, who was there shouting, as you remember, Oswald alone. Osvaldo alone. Osvaldo alone. All right, there's Dorothy. With who? Melvin Belli and co-counsel Joe Tannehill. And she got to know him very well. And you can imagine that she got all the information she could from Dorothy, that's for sure. There's Jack Ruby. And then she became what they could talk about trusting again. She became the only journalist to interview Jack Ruby at his trial.

Out of 400 reporters, it's hard to believe, but guess which show was the favorite? The television show was at Jack Ruby's Carousel Club. What is my line? These things are meant to be in many ways. So what happened is that she was able to interview him. And she was surprising because he told her things that we never knew, because you'll hear that all of her research files were taken care of. But in the book, you'll see that she wrote an edgy column: Ruby Feels Breaking Point. And then you just have to read the amazing wordsmith of hers.

If she could write half as well as Dorothy Kilgallen writes, she would have had several bestsellers instead of one, because I'm telling you something that is so visual that you feel like you're there. While she's talking about him, you know, his demeanor, and you can feel it there and all that. She did it in all of her columns. A fantastic writer, without a doubt. And then, of course, what happened? Well, Bill, I came up with this defense. You know, understand this. She didn't let Ruby testify and then made him look crazy using a psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense.

Well. When you're a criminal defense attorney, the first case I tried I was appointed public defender on a Friday, and I tried a first-degree murder case the following Monday. And this guy had shot her girlfriend in front of her with a shotgun from two meters away in front of her children. And I said to James when I met him, I just don't know how we're going to defend this. But he said that he was drunk and that he didn't mean to shoot him and all that. So I tried to do the best I could for him.

He obviously he was convicted, but that was the first time I did it in this situation. You know, Melvin Bell, I never gave Jack Ruby any chance with that defense he came up with. And he obviously he was found guilty. Then Dorothy did it again. Well. And you're going to see how this happens. She's in the front row of Jack Ruby's trial and she hears all this testimony and she was writing it all down. And you can see it. There's another photo of her with a clipboard and she has all these notes and everything. What she heard regarding what Ruby said and all that.

And then what happens is that she is capable and we are going to find out how once on the cover of The New York Journal American. Her story is Ruby's own story, her testimony before the Warren Commission. That was huge. That was like the Snowden and NSA expose, the Pentagon Papers and the Nixon tapes at that time. And who did he become an enemy there again, J. Edgar Hoover, because he controlled the Warren Commission, as we'll talk about, and he was furious in terms of exactly how he got that information? That's a letter from Hoover to a guy named Rankin, who was a lawyer for the Warren Commission.

How the hell did he get all this information? And from whom and everything else? And what I love about this particular situation is that he sent them to the FBI agents. I like to think they were those big, burly agents who came to his house. Here's a little Dorothy and they're questioning her. Well. She didn't ask for a lawyer. And as you will see, in a little while I am going to tell you exactly what she told you. Alright. Now Dorothy is in danger. And what we're going to discover is a missing piece here at the end, because I never realized the danger this woman had gotten herself into.

First of all, she had actually realized from what Jack Ruby told her, she went where she didn't stay in Dallas and investigated LBJ involved in the murder. She didn't go to Washington, D.C. and she visited the military complex. She did not go to Miami to look for the Cubans. She went to New Orleans. And who was there? Carlos, Marcelo. And I believe when she was there. And there's a full account of that in the new book that she had, in which she had connected Marcello Lee to Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. And I have a new testimony in the book that confirms that situation.

So now she has those she had as enemies. Well, for one thing. Sure it's Hoover, but also Marcello. And you can't create enemies like that. So what happens in November 1968, 65, November eighthfrom 1965? She is found dead in her New York home, in a room she never slept in, with eyelashes, hairpieces and makeup. She is dressed as if she is going on a date. And basically Mark Sinclair, who is the second person there that I'll mention what he said about her. He found her body. I think she had died. We have shown the reporter that she knew too much that she did not die from a drug overdose.

I proved that she was murdered based on forensic evidence at the time. Three barbiturates in her system, not one, but the medical examiner comes and says, "You'll love it because it matches Marilyn's verdict." Drug overdose, undetermined circumstances. How's that for a determination of some kind? It's ridiculous, since Oswald's theory of the Warren Commission is that we'll hear about it a little bit. So, Mark Sinclair, what did you find out about Dorothy being in danger? That's Charles Simpson, her other hairdresser, just before she died. He said that if the wrong people knew what I know about the JFK assassination, it would cost me my life.

Mark Sinclair I fear for my life and my family. And I bought a gun. And the night before he dies, he goes to P.J. Clarke's and to New York City. And then he meets a man named Ron Pataki, who is a journalist from the Midwest, who was using Dorothy to try to get to the top of that profession. I have shown in the book that J. Edgar Hoover compromised it. He was in trouble himself, and he got Pataki to report on Dorothy and let Hoover and maybe Marcello do what she was going to publish and a tell-all book for Random House that she was writing.

And as you'll see, they never could have let her write that book. So that was the danger she was in. But I'm going to add something to that. That is the overwhelming blow when she found out what I am going to tell you, she was dead. So. And Catalina Piedra. Catalina Piedra. I'm sorry. Catalina Piedra. Good. George Pataki saw a gentleman with Dorothy in a hotel before she died. We have proven that it was him. We proved that he, in all probability, accompanied her back to her house. And that's where he inserted these barbiturates into a drink, a vodka and tonic drink.

And that's what killed Dorothy. There's Mark Sinclair again. He dies from a moderate dose of forensic evidence around here. You know, I'm not the smartest guy in the world. The autopsy of researcher Dorothy. I couldn't get it. The New York district, the New York medical examiner's office because I'm not part of the family. But the National Archives are the most important place to find viable and credible documents. That's where you should go. And don't go to Wikipedia, for the love of God. Anyone can go in there and write whatever they want, but go to the National Archives.

And there was her autopsy. And you can't read it here, but you can read it in the book. Three barbiturates, not one. And one of them, two of them, you know, two of these medical examiners investigated it and found out that they found a trace of barbiturate, I think it was phenobarbital. And one of the glasses, which meant someone had opened the capsules and put them in the drink. And that was the signal. If you know who Dr. Cyril Wecht is, the best forensic scientist we have ever had in this country. He looked at all that and said: Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered.

Okay, 10,000 people show up to her funeral. She should never have died, she should never have died. 10,000 people. All the dignitaries at her funeral. In fact, a woman came and told a story. No one ever knew that Dorothy actually saw a burning building and she went in there and saved a baby. I mean, the praise for her was absolutely incredible because she was this person and this is the killer. Regarding Ron Pataki, she wrote a poem. Alright. And if you look closely as I spill vodka on the roulette wheel, seen as a chance for relief, as I spill my guts, she's driving me crazy.

Please, she brings two drinks while you run. Just skip all the noise and make one of them poisonous and don't even tell me which one. I interviewed Ron Pataki several times. When you are a criminal defense lawyer, prosecute her. You're trying to find someone who knows the only facts the killer could know. She so she died she. Do you know what she said? It was her? It was funny. It was a humorous poem. I tried to get the New York district attorney's office to investigate it. I tried to track down the commissioner of the New York Police Department, who I went back to New York and visited with, and all that, they both investigated it and everything.

But 60, 60 years later, you know, it's not something that's a priority in New York City, that's for sure. But I'll keep trying, especially with this new evidence I've discovered. Alright, next step. I'm done again. I've had it. That's all. Marcos resigned. But then again, a lawyer in Fresno, California, calls me Greg Mullinax and says, I have something for you. I said: What is that? He said: I have the transcripts of Jack Ruby's trial. I feel like a fool it's just like I feel like a fool for not having done enough research into the Warren Commission investigation. Then Greg calls me and says: I have this for you.

And he sent me. Let's go to the next page there. No, that's back there. Good. That's me reading those Ruby transcripts from Ruby's trial. The 2000 pages took me forever and the book became Denial of Justice. And the next slide is really important because this is what Dorothy knew about Ruby's trial, which again, only she knew. And that was that Jack Ruby didn't just accidentally walk into the basement of the Dallas Police Department and shoot Ruby, which has been perpetuated forever in the trial, there was testimony that Ruby told someone just before the day before he shot .

Out, well, I'll be there. I'm going to act like a reporter. The police will help me enter the building. All the police officers were friends of Ruby, as we will see in a bit. So this was a big breakthrough because it really showed that Ruby was lying about all of that. And we're going to connect it back to Marcelo and all the research that Dorothy did. Alright. So I finished again. And then someone, well, not someone, a lot of people around the world, I probably got almost 4,000 emails from people giving me advice and asking me questions.

And one of the main questions was: Is there a connection between the deaths of Marilyn Monroe, Dorothy Kilgallen and JFK? And I didn't think there was until I saw this photograph. There's Marilyn, of course, beautiful Marilyn. And she should never have died either. Never. And there's Dorothy. Marilyn. And I think that's Yves Montand, who was in a movie with Marilyn. Well. So I don't know if you know this, but they decided immediately after finding Marilyn that she died of what they called a probable suicide. Dr. Wecht told me that he has performed 16,000 autopsies. He's never seen a probable suicide, whether it's a fucking suicide or not.

Good. But that's how they saw it. No investigation. No investigation into her death, no investigation into Dorothy's death. Both cases closed. Very well, then what I decide. Well, let's go a little further with this, because something seems wrong. And so I find that this column by Dorothy M makes Hollywood talk again. Do you know what she says there? Marilyn Monroe's life is getting better. She has an affair with someone who has a bigger name than her husband, her first husband, or her second husband, Joe DiMaggio. She has Broadway offers. She has movie offers. She's doing all this.

And, of course, it doesn't take someone with a, you know, brain to realize that it's not a woman who's going to commit suicide. So I decided I needed to investigate this further. And what did I find, if she's a bigger name than Joe DiMaggio, who's a bigger name, that guy over there and that guy over there? Then I looked at Jack Kennedy for the first time. That's Marilyn Monroe singing Happy Birthday to Jack Kennedy on her 45th birthday, her 45th birthday at Madison Square Garden. Hard to believe. Sorry about the photo of Marilyn. But there is no photo of the front of her to the left of her, you just look at the back of her and she has this see-through dress.

Well. Well, if you can watch that video on YouTube, what we have is that next there is Jack on the right and Bobby on the left with Marilyn. She is on a death march and at that moment she is on a death march. Because what happens is that she has a brief affair with Jack Kennedy. But Joe says, oh no, there's an election coming up. They can't see you with her. So who's coming to Jack Kennedy's dumpster? Robert F Kennedy is still trying to show his father and brother that he is a big shot. You know, Joe Kennedy and I have a lot more in the book.

One of them is I quote a book called The Kennedy Neurosis, written in 1973 that basically shows why the Kennedy men were sexual predators and Joe Kennedy was the worst. And the way they treated the wives was the worst. And one of the things he did was have his trophy wife, Gloria Swanson, the movie actress, if you can believe it. At one point, Joe took his wife and went to Europe on a boat, and then on one end of the boat was Rose. And on the other side of the boat was Gloria Swanson. No morals, none of the Kennedys.

And I have many incidents of that in the book. So Bobby Kennedy. Okay, maybe Bobby Kennedy had something to do with his death. Let's go again and this is the trick. In every investigation I've done, there's a point where, ha ha, first I find this thing that I thought was an FBI document, a CIA document the day before Marilyn died. And what is that? Basically shown first in those first few paragraphs, he talks about Dorothy Kilgallen, JFK, and Marilyn Monroe, each of whom are obsessed with UFOs. Well. And in the new book, I have a photo of Dorothy in New Mexico because she was obsessed with UFOs and she wrote about that and all that kind of stuff.

She talks about the participation of the three and about wiretapping the conversations of Bobby Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. And I solidified that the FBI did that with J. Edgar Hoover, again. And then this is the damning evidence right here. There is talk that Marilyn Monroe is upset. And later I found out what it was. Bobby Kennedy had left her too and she felt like a piece of meat. And she goes to the media with information about her affairs. But the worst and the one who killed her is the third or the fourth, whoever it is or the fifth, Marilyn Monroe goes to the media for national security issues that the Kennedys, including JFK, have told her, their intention to assassinate Fidel Castro, assassinated.

She could talk about her affairs, but if she went to the media with it, you know, that's almost a betrayal on the part of the Kennedys. You see, there were going to be big shots with her. Joe Kennedy has his trophy, a trophy girlfriend, now. But now Bobby Kennedy has the trophy for him. A girlfriend. And I've proven that Bobby was there the day she died, he begged her not to go to the media and all that. And I have two new stories in the book about how he pulled it off, how he was complicit, her death, because, like Dorothy was, the reporter couldn't do it.

Who couldn't know too much? Marilyn Monroe was the actress who knew too much. And I detail it all in the next book: I want to humanize Marilyn Monroe here because she is fired from her. For starters, they dismiss her as a dumb blonde. She read Ulysses. I can't read I couldn't read the five pages of Ulysses. Well. She read a book called Fragments. And I quote that in the book, in all of her poetry, in all of her writings, she was a very intelligent woman. Oh yeah. She also had her flaws. But she was a very intelligent woman and a woman who should have been treated with distinction.

And if we go back just one thing, the second part of the CIA document, Marilyn, Joe, Bobby Kennedy is having a torrid love affair with Marilyn Monroe during the summer of 1962. And this, Bobby Kennedy has promised Marilyn Monroe that he will divorce Ethel and marry her. I have a picture of her sitting in her house. The Kennedys no longer answer her phone calls and tears run down her cheeks. Dorothy wrote a column about her and Marilyn's search for love. Search for love in her life. And the other thing was going to happen. She was going to marry Joe DiMaggio just before he died.

Forward. But this is the real Marilyn. Well. That's what Ella Fitzgerald, you know what she did there? Ella Fitzgerald was denied permission to entertain on Sunset Boulevard. And Marilyn found out and went ahead and told Ella that she would be there every night. That She acted. And she did that. And that was the only way Ella Fitzgerald was allowed to perform there. This is what I need. Oh, that's her and she loved children. She wanted to have children more than anything in the world. And she and Joe DiMaggio were going to adopt one before she died.

And now it's John Steinbeck. Yes. I wish she had received a letter like this from John Steinbeck. So she had a lot of respect for people who knew the real Marilyn, the clock, the misfits. Well. That's Marilyn. She wanted to be recognized as a respected actress. Go see that movie. She was a respected actress. Well, George, are you exhausted? No not at all. Alright. It was really a very impressive advance in her work. You know it? Well, I want to share it with people. I hope to inspire people. You know, if I can do this, anyone can.

I'm telling you, I have to do it. You know, it's a coincidence, but you have to be alert. You know, one of the things about the 1960s that bothers me so much and George and I have talked aboutThis is because they didn't ask questions back then. And you will see that with the Warren Commission. They assumed that people were telling them the truth. And they weren't, they never asked questions about Dorothy's death. They never asked questions about Meredith and they never asked questions about the Warren Commission. And I feel like a fool because I didn't ask questions either.

People need to ask questions today. You can't accept what any politician or journalist or anyone says and just swallow it down your throat and believe it all. You have to ask questions. I hope that is the relevance of my research. So I finished again. And what happened here? Let's go with the next two. Well. Alright. The first thing that came up was that I had an interest in the Warren Commission. Again, I always felt like there was something I didn't know there. And that's how it happened, I went to the National Archives and looked for material on the Warren Commission.

Well, this is what I found in the conversations. One, both between J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ. I didn't buy a pair, okay. And they were on two different dates. One is 1031, 64. And the other is 1129, 60. Three, seven, 29, 64, three. Three, two, six. Days. That's an important date because that's the day the Warren Commission was formed and they were talking in the morning. And if you go in there and read, I want to, I don't know, let's put it up there. Well. Alright. Alright. So you can look at them. It's a little more difficult for me, but this is what they are doing.

They have decided it mentally. Everyone wants to investigate the JFK assassination. Well. They want to do it in Texas. That's where they killed him. They want to do it. In the end, the Senate and Congress, you know, the House represent what they want to do. Well, these two decide. No no no. We cannot allow that to happen. We need to ensure that the only research is done by us. And that's how you see it. Yes, Edgar Hoover on outreach, are you familiar with this proposed group that they are trying to form in this study of your report?

J. Edgar Hoover's report is Oswald Solo's theory and other things. Two from the House, two from the Senate, someone from the court, the outsider couple. No, I haven't heard of that. I've seen the report on that. We believe it is not necessary. I just want to deal with your file, your report. J. Edgar Hoover. It would be very, very bad to have a series of investigations. Well, the only way to stop that, LBJ says, is probably to appoint a high-level investigative evaluator. You put in someone who is pretty good and that I can select, that I can select from the government to tell the House and the Senate not to move forward, etc.

So, yeah, because we put a lot of TV on and I thought it would be bad. J. Edgar Hoover says it would be a three-ring circus. Well. What's not here? Is this the second conversation? And what they do is go through these lists and lists of possibles. Jacob Javits of New York. Oh no no. You will probably go to the media, to this particular senator or congressman. Oh no no. We can't trust that person. Well. And then they come down through these other people. One of them, for God's sake, is Allen Dulles, the former CIA chief that Jack Kennedy had fired.

Well. He is on the list. They have this. Anyway, we'll get to a bit of that. Well. Then there are these guys and they finally come up with seven names. Well. And one of them, the one who is going to head the commission, Boyd, to give it authenticity is none other than the president of the Supreme Court, Earl Warren. All of these gentlemen have conservative leanings. They are all older. They are old white men. And they are all that J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ think they can control: they can control the rhetoric. They can control the investigation and all that.

And one of the most interesting things I found when I went through all those phone calls is the next thing that appears in this exchange, J. Edgar Hoover. And I think, of course, we're approaching next Tuesday. They believe that something bad is going to happen. The next Tuesday. There's going to be some kind of announcement. They get angry, everything. And I think the likelihood of this rumor continuing is that they can't and won't be able to prove it unless, of course, someone, one of these dirty columnists, can publish something in his column. His column. Your column.

It's not his decision. Your column. We know who was doing that. Well. Next. Alright. So J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Johnson, here's the group. I don't need to review them all. Jerry Ford is there. They decided that Jerry Ford would work pretty well because he's nothing. He's just a you know, he's just Jerry Ford from Michigan. They don't want any. But, you know, if Lee Bailey lost the Patty Hearst case by leaving an Army lieutenant on the jury as a criminal defense attorney, you would never do that. You don't want anyone in authority there because they will immediately say guilty or not guilty.

And everyone is going to agree with that. Well, these guys don't want any leaders here. So, frankly, and I hate to call them that, they include Earl Warren, they have a weak seven. Seven weak ones. But that's deliberate. That's deliberate. Well. So the Warren Commission here is their conclusion. Well. After what this investigation was, there is no evidence that Oswald was in the planning, there is no evidence that Oswald was involved with any person. There is no evidence that Oswald was ever employed, no direct relationship with Oswald and Jack Ruby, and no evidence that Jack Ruby acted alone, alone, alone.

Nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Well. And that's what they fed us. And that's what I believed. I never thought twice about it, because back then, and this was 1964, we trusted these people. We trusted these public servants who were going to do their job and give us the truth about what happened to the president of the United States when he was killed. Alright. And then they launched this and we didn't find out. And I feel bad that I never looked into it like I should have then. Well, someone at the time had a real problem with this Warren Commission.

And again, it's Dorothy. Dorothy shouting Oswald's theory is meaningless in 1963 and no one listens to her. And then she had this reaction to the Warren Commission in this particular column, a fascinating document, fascinating for what it says, as well as fascinating for what it leaves out, as well as fascinating for what it says. Why can you say that? Because she heard Jack Ruby's testimony. Because you heard his testimony at the Warren Commission. She knows this is a bunch of nonsense. She's fine, but no one listens to her. Alright. She says: What's my quiz show? You know, participant, she is not someone to be taken seriously.

If they had listened to her, the story would have changed. Well. Next, this. Oh yeah. Well. Here's Dorothy back at work. Thanks Jorge. Alright. So in the Warren Commission report, there is no mention of any connection between Jack Ruby and the Dallas Police Department. Well, Dorothy decides to write a column about it. And do you know where he gets it from? Her information from former singers, dancers, you know, fun people who were at the Carousel Club where Ruby was. Alright. And everyone sees the police there. Everyone is being compensated. They are all giving drinks. They're setting you up with the strippers.

And I also have another account of that in the book. That's all left out because, you know, it's a good example and this is where I have so many problems with a lot of book authors called experts and all that. If you don't have Dorothy Kilgallen to research your book, it's no use. But what they do is decide that they want only the Oswald result and therefore they only have evidence that leads to that result and they eliminate everything else. Well. And that's what we've been told all these years. It's just difficult. The worst example is the sixth floor museum in Dealey Plaza, Oswald Alone Shrine.

There are no books there. Other than Oswald alone, no speakers are allowed. I'm not allowed. The exhibits there are five years old from what people see and not long ago I received an email from a mother who had taken her two children there and showed them around. And then she emailed me because she read. She saw one of my shows in Dallas and discovered all this. And she said, she was crying and I asked my children for forgiveness. I'm trying to close that damn place and I'll keep working on it. Well. Well. Here's the trick. I don't know how it happens, ladies and gentlemen.

I don't know how it happens. On the left, you have Bobby, you have JFK, and you have J. Edgar Hoover. Maybe three of them. I know. I don't mean three of the worst human beings who ever lived. I'm sorry. JFK did some good things. He saved us from a nuclear disaster with it. With the missile crisis. Bobby was good with civil rights. Simply despicable human beings with no moral values. Any of the three. And this guy arrives in February. Lou, I'll tell you, my wife, I almost started screaming because I got an email from a gentleman named Maurice Wolff, who in an email said to me: I just saw your presentation at the Dow at a library near Dallas at the Library Allen.

And I saw that he saw about Dorothy Kilgallen there. I met her. And that was surprising because I don't know, a lot of people aren't even alive anymore. Who knew? I knew her. Well. And then I start talking to Maurice. And yesterday was Maurice Morris's 86th birthday. That's how it is. Yeah. And I started finding out about this guy, okay. After what she told me. But I want to start by telling you what I discovered. The most distinguished man you can find, a Yale lawyer, we won't blame him. Well? He would say it. Then he ends up working for Bobby Kennedy.

And my ears just overflow. I write as fast as I can, I work for Bobby Kennedy, and I work for him when he gets to the attorney general's office. And I knew him and I was there when Jack Kennedy was in the White House and Mr. Shaw, I was in the White House with both of them. In fact, you know, it's kind of amazing. They trusted me to handle the exchanges between these two men, the president and the attorney general, the messages between the White House and the Department of Justice. I rode my bike back and forth or walked back and forth with messages because they didn't trust that J.

Edgar Hoover wasn't listening to his phones. He said, you know, the two brothers are quite a story, really. They got along very well together, except when JFK thought Bobby was getting too much exposure in the newspapers. I love that story, but it shows the little things he told me. Alright. And then he said: I have to tell you this. Bobby Kennedy recommended me. I don't know if it is the following file or not. Bobby Kennedy recommended me to a member of the Warren Commission, and I spent almost two years with that member, and I was his legislative assistant and Mr.

Shaw rode with him in his Saab. He was a tall man. He could barely get in. I accompanied him to the Warren Commission hearings and he's incredible. But sometimes I could wait it out and sit in the back and listen to the hearings. And what I noticed, and we're going to get into that, is that what they were really doing is the members of the commission weren't even there. It was the staff members who were doing all this research. Well, who do you think decided that? Because they could control staff members when they couldn't control some of these individuals on the Warren Commission.

And he said, you know, on the way, Mr. Shaw, I have to tell you, this is what this particular man told me. Commission members already know about Jack Ruby's connection to Auburn organized crime, but they don't want to touch it. That's probably the most important one. It's more than Oswald. But Hoover and Chief Justice Earl Warren continue to push the Oswald conclusion alone. Our new president, Lyndon Baines Johnson, now wants to cover up the cover-up and move on. They want to bury the truth under a pile of stones. And here's the rationalization for why they came to this ridiculous conclusion from Oswald alone.

They, the members, say that this conclusion of Oswald alone is for God and country, but there is internal corruption and I do not know why I have submitted my resignation. Now, the person making these comments is the Warren Commission. It is the member of the Warren Commission that we are going to identify. And Morris Wolfe worked for him, but this was the senator from Kentucky. And I'll tell you, just so you know, I'm very careful when I have hearsay evidence like this, as I used to do in the courtroom to confirm it. If I'm going to approach a judge and try to get him admitted, I need confirmation, so I'll get ahead of myself.

Well, let's wait a minute. I'll show you how I got my confirmation. Well? Well. Here it is here. It was incredible. He said, listen, you know, go on the Internet and find the photograph of the Warren Commission delivering the report to LBJ. To LBJ. Well. So I did it. Well, you can look here and I don't need to go over all the names and everything, but there's a Jerry Ford back there and there's Allen Dulles. And I believe Lee Rankin is the lawyer there. There's Warren, this is Hale Boggs, I think, from Mississippi. He said: Mr.

Shaw, go ahead and look at everyone there and you will see them all standing alone, except one man. He almost hides behind Hale Boggs. And look at the look on his face: that's Senator John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky. That's the Warren Commission member that Morris will be working for and that he gave me this information about. That is. And what he said and everything changes the story. Forward. Next, Cooper, member of the Warren Commission. I found all kinds of tributes to this man everywhere. He and his wifeshe. But at the same time, there was also a certain respect towards her.

Well, she had her problems, there's no doubt about it. She had some problems with drugs and all that. You know, being the most famous star in the world is not the easiest thing to do. But with The Misfits, I think a lot of that is Hollywood rumors in terms of what happened. The important thing is what was on the screen. And if you look, that's a Clark Gable. It is in that film that I write with her. Yes. And do you see what he said about her? And he's there again, see a witness who's there. I think that's the best testament to what Marilyn was like at that time.

Yes. Yes. Any other questions? I think Clark Gable died right after that movie. Good. And then some people say it's because he had to work with Marilyn. Oh my God. It's quite difficult. You know, it's pretty hard to come to one of the nights. You prove it, George. About. No, no, I can't prove anything. Try, try. Pythagoras theorem and proof. That's the kind of test I like. But you have a lot of evidence. And what I really like is the kind of common sense conclusions about what's missing. You know, Dorothy seems to be a reporter with good common sense who gets things done.

Too bad we don't really have the information on her and I'm sure her disappearance was, you know, intentional. So any other questions or. Well, finish this. There is one more question here. We'll end with that question. Here comes the boy. How do they do that? Have Oswald pull the trigger or did someone else do it? II was. How can you be surprised by this so little that I who have investigated Oswald Dorothy didn't do it either? There are so many dead ends regarding that guy and what he was and who he was and where two or three of them are, whatever.

And who was he involved with? Dorothy focused on Ruby. Ruby was the key in her mind. All of her writings focus on Ruby. So I don't know what happened at Dealey Plaza. Nobody knows where there are three or four or one person or whatever there. But there is no doubt that Senator Cooper said he did it alone. He obviously had some people who agreed with him. And I think Dorothy was right. She had decided that the man who had the strongest motive to kill JFK, Carlos Marcello, could recruit Oswald as one of those people who might have been involved in JFK's death.

Well, I'm sorry you did so much research, because when I was ten years old, I saw Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald live on television. My first thought was that this is how the mafia does things. She sees, you were right. You know, you're smart and you're not. Read it since then. No. Anyway, thank you very much for coming. And Mark, thanks for sharing that. Thank you so much. Well, let us enjoy the rest of my life. I'm going to keep trying. That's what my button says. And that's my fraternity brother who has my back. Another Purdue kid.

Thank you so much. Thanks Jorge. You are a good man. I appreciate it.