Joe Rogan Experience #1512 - Ben Shapiro

hello ben hey how's it going buddy we're here we did it we did it we're both alive first of all congratulations on your thinness thank you slim and healthy you look good oh thank you I appreciate it turns out running away from my kids for four months straight I'll do that to you I literally started to running just to get away from my kids just going outside just for a little space mine is the man, you can't go outside unless you're actively exercising, are they coming to arrest you? Oh me. I could allude to Foot Locker at the time, they would have done it, it would be cool, do you run with a mask?

Is someone yelling at you? No, no, what are you going to a track? What are you doing? No, literally, I just run around. streets hoping that one day rioters will come after me so I don't have to deal with my kids yelling at me, but yeah, that's the goal. Did you try to be healthier when Covid hit? You were worried? kind of wasn't really about covering it up, it was just that I was eating out too much and when I got relegated home it was like I had to learn how to use the barbecue, which I never really learned how to use a barbecue and then it turned out I didn't actually It was so hard so I don't know what I was doing for years.

I have to give you some elk meat. Are you having a barbecue right now? Oh yeah, you're still doing it. Yeah, I'll give you some moose. sausages, you have to make them right, so I have to do it, oh, that's not right at all, we'll have to go find the moose and I'll actually have to kill it myself. What you have to do, you should achieve. the moose and then you'd have to cut its throat or something oh yeah, it's good times, how, what's the logic behind that, so I mean, don't get too quick into the biblical stuff, but the original logic was that I was supposed to kill the animal in the most humane way was the idea now, do I know if it is the most humane way now?

I have no idea, it's certainly not right because you have to cut it to pieces with the rabbi, I don't know, yeah, I get it. It's like in the past, a very sharp knife through the throat would have been the most humane way because it's almost painless and then the blood just spills out and that's it, you don't want the blood anyway because? You're not allowed to eat blood or Judaism, so oh really, yeah, yeah, so what do you do when you eat a medium-rare steak? Home, can you go to a steakhouse? uh, kosher steakhouse, there are kosher steakhouses, ah, you're so into that one, no man, but you're a logical and intelligent guy, he's part of it, he does it from time to time, I like to juxtapose them, but yeah. every once in a while with your head you say what is this I mean, of course, I don't know, there is a religious person alive, I mean, who ultimately doesn't say, okay, it's a little weird, but okay, you have to hug. the system, but you feel that for the sake of tradition and for the entire Jewish culture it is worth doing exactly.

I mean, you live the lifestyle and I feel like it's not a big sacrifice to eat at certain restaurants, the restaurants are still good. We still have good kosher restaurants. One thing that we're seeing in society and culture in general that kind of supports the idea of ​​maintaining these kinds of rigid disciplines is that when things start to slip a little bit, you lose like a turn on these little incremental steps, they slide. and people say, oh god, what's the problem, what do you care and you say I see where this is going? Oh yeah, and you saw it in Los Angeles.

I mean, I've lived in Los Angeles my whole life and the change from being a fairly safe, fairly nice suburban-oriented suburban city to being overrun with horror shows is that it actually went a lot faster than I did. I thought it would be, but you're right, it's a gradual decline and then it's on the edge of a cliff. Well, you started seeing tents and you didn't see them for decades and then all of a sudden I started seeing. tents, I remember I was doing Fear Factor on Skid Row in the early 2000s, we were filming there and I was like this is crazy, has anyone seen this?

Does anyone know this? and downtown Los Angeles back then, for people who don't live in Los Angeles, you'd think downtown was like downtown New York or downtown Cleveland. No, downtown Los Angeles was no man's land, nothing happens in downtown Los Angeles, now it's as if there is what was previously covered. It was like there were some bars and some really cool upscale apartment buildings, it was getting better, but I took my family there before Kovid, like four months before it became a secret, or so we went to, we're going to go. a famous donut place there, so we just said one of those stupid Sunday things like what do you want to do today?

We're going to buy donuts, so we went to downtown Los Angeles, like a saint, literally human, on the streets, everything smelled of homeless people everywhere and me. I'm fine, stay close to me, stay here if anyone comes close, move, come closer to me like Jesus Christ, like this is crazy, I don't want him to be scared, but I say this is crazy, well, the thing is that that kind of thing about the disaster area in Los Angeles was kind of localized, it's really like I worked in Lida's office for a summer when I was in law school, it was like it says 2007 a while ago and I remember they had a giant tent city and you had to walk from the car, they made you park a mile away and walk, so you were walking through the slums and it's like, well, this is really terrible and honestly, I feel bad for these people because no I don't think the best solution for drug addicts or mentally ill people is to live on the streets and a large percentage of homeless people are drug addicts or mentally ill, but you know it's for people who live in the suburbs like this at least it's localized, it's not like jumping into your life and then for the last 13 years living in a pretty decent suburban area and seeing open spiers on the street and leaving my house one day, there's only one guy lying face down in the ditch like Edgar Allan Poe and I thought, well this is falling apart pretty quickly, what do you think caused the slide or the expansion of the slide?

Because I agree with you that it was a very isolated slide. Row was very isolated in downtown Los Angeles. I remember one time we were filming in downtown Los Angeles and we were on a stretcher or I guess it's one of those things called where you stand up. Oh, okay, anyway, we're filming a fear factor stunt and When we got up, we could see people smoking and crack and I went to look, there were people smoking crack right there and the guests on the show like that a lot of They fly in from all over the country and say, "It's that real." I'm really smoking crack, that's crack, that's a homeless person smoking crack, welcome to Los Angeles, it's right there, but I didn't feel bad about it, I felt like look, it's unfortunate, but this is not indicative of everything La, we're just in a Shitty Place because it's so cheap to film here, here you go, you know, you've got a little treat, you get to see some weird stuff while you're here, but no, I didn't think it would ever get to the point. where you're like winnetka on the 101 and there's 80 tents and they put a port-a-potty there, they put a port-a-potty.

We are doing real construction and real development here in Los Angeles, not apartment buildings, we have some porta-potties that we put in every underpass you will have a portable toilet thanks to mayor eric garcetti you pay attention to politics a lot more than I do and to law enforcement and all that, what happened, how did it get to this point on this particular issue, this actually started with a bunch of lawsuits, so the Police Department used to have the authority to move people if it was on the sidewalk, if people had a bunch of stuff on the sidewalk and they were just camping there, the Police Department could come and take it away. their things and they could wake them up or they could arrest them for trespassing or loitering and then the ACLU actually filed a lawsuit and they said this is a violation of people's personal property, and the courts tell you that sometimes you do so good work and the The court ruled that you are not actually allowed to move people's things that are actually personal property even though it is in a public area and then they got a ruling from a court that allows you to live in your car because during a time was gone They didn't let you live in your car and then they let you live in your car so now you can basically leave your stuff on the sidewalk and the police can't move it and you can live. in your car and then there was this kind of equity movement that said, well, things are done in business districts, but why can't they be done in more suburban areas?

Why can't they just move to nicer areas after all if there is squalor? It should be evenly distributed throughout the city and that's what you're seeing. I mean, there have been so many breaking points over the last year in the city and for me and my wife, I mean, we looked at the there were riots and they shut down the whole city at 6 p.m. It's a county of 12 million people and they shut down the entire county so morons could run around breaking windows pretending they were defending social justice they shut down Beverly Hills at that time. rodeo drive 13:00 13:00 so people could run up and down rodeo drive talking about how capitalism sucks while tweeting from their iPhone while stealing stealing Nikes, you know, there were two moments where I thought this is a real opportunity for us to come together and one of them was the moment when the lockdown happened, it seemed very similar to me to right after 9/11, where everyone faced their own mortality as saints, like us, we could be on the brink of a pandemic like in a movie where a lot of the people we know die and here we have to be kind to each other we have to be this is what's important family is important and I remember thinking I've never been closer to my family, I've never been closer to my friends, we call each other. others the whole time we were there it was like there was real hope in that I was like let's get through this we're going to be stricter we're going to know what something means what stands up comedy counts everything If not, man, the important thing is love and friendship, then it started getting angry, it only took like three or four weeks, where people started getting scared, so people started getting worse at each other online and then I basically swore off Twitter.

It was like this. It's simply too toxic and too hostile. The second moment I thought we had a chance to come together was George Floyd, so George Floyd died and all of a sudden you have these black lives matter protests and I think maybe we finally can. make a dent in racism maybe we can finally make a dent in police brutality maybe this is a moment where we can come together and realize that what's important is community solidarity, that we're all in this together like this is crazy and then the police need to be reformed like they can't live and maybe we should take into account PTSD, maybe we should take into account the fact that these guys are attacking people every day who could shoot them in the face and maybe they never can. to see your family and your kids, let's get back to work on this, let's think about this, no, then the chaos and then all of a sudden it became like what we saw yesterday, where they're breaking into Amazon, go to Seattle, like that guy owned the Washington Post, owned the most leftist newspaper in America and you're not good enough, you saw they set up a fake guillotine outside Beethoven's house in Washington DC, it's crazy and it's crazy, I'm too rich, I totally agree with By the way, when did greed happen?

I thought I really can't see how we're going to be divided in a partisan way over this, like everyone wants to live and everyone would also like to eventually return to normal life. and the better we can live, the better we can get back to normal life, so it seems like we're good, we're on the same page when it comes to the lockdowns, the original lockdowns, I was like, okay, I'm on board, you know, I'm taking this. really serious thing, I have parents there in their 60s, I feel like you know I'm in good health, I'm pretty young, I'm 36, but for my parents I don't want my parents to suffer from this so we I'm still taking this very oh really.

I mean, I still wear a mask in public places and I think people should think that's a responsible thing to do, but it immediately became like, Who can we blame for this? Who can we blame? doing it wrong and it seems like there's only a couple of things you can really do that are obviously wrong, like no one has a good solution for this, okay, it devastated Italy, it devastated Spain, it devastated New York, like there's a couple of things. You shouldn't take the elderly and send them back to nursing homes with a coveted right, that's obvious, but beyond that, just staying away from each other and social distancing and caring like this is all common sense. thingsthat people have known since the 1918 flu pandemic like nothing, nothing has really changed and yet it immediately became who can we blame, who is who is to blame for all these dead people, maybe it's rum desantis or maybe it's cuomo, like who can we blame?

So that was terrible and then at the Floyd thing I had the same feeling that I don't know a single human being who saw that tape and didn't think it's okay, that guy deserves to go to jail, Chalvin, the officer in that case and the foreign george each and every person said yes, that's very bad like that and cops like me I know tons of cops, I'm friendly with tons of cops and none of them said yeah, that's good police procedure, I'm glad He did it like no one thought of that, so when people like it, we'll see police brutality, maybe we'll see qualified immunity, maybe we'll see unions police officers and the type of restrictive covenants they have. we have with cities and how we make sure everyone knows who the bad cops are so they can't get hired in different places, like those are all solutions, but they quickly drift away.

Well, we don't want to talk about solutions. a bad idea, what we need to do is yell about everything we can think of at once and you know, instead let's have a conversation about how George Washington was a bad guy, let's have a conversation about how to just defund him for complete the police, we don't have a responsible conversation about things that make sense, we'll talk about what would happen if we got rid of the police, how crazy is that discussion, that discussion, uh, when, when people were actually saying, defund the police. like cooler heads will prevail, but they're going to realize it and I think they're realizing it now in New York City, I mean, New York City has had a record of criminal homicides, who would have thought who would have thought that de Blasio is, I mean, me.

I never would have done it, I never would have imagined that I would look at Garcetti and go, well, he's better, that's exactly it. I look at Garcetti and I look at De Plasio. I'm like Garcetti. I'll invite you to dinner at my house. It's much better. It's weird, so you can have protests, but only black lives matter, protests, that one that was, that was a solid, you know, that might have been the moment I realized we were all screwed, It was the time when we are in the middle of a global pandemic with hundreds of thousands of people dead and an entire swath of our media and health elites just randomly decided that if you protested the lockdown you were really bad, then you were racist and they were going to get you people murdered and you should wear a mask and I was like, well, if you're professional, I'm okay with the mask thing, like yeah, okay, and then you have millions of people in the streets yelling at each other at each other, breathing at each other and spitting. against each other and there are health professionals on television who say: well, racism is a threat to public health.

I guess they can do that now. It's like what I know of people who died in Covet hospital and their families couldn't visit them like they did. he literally died alone in the hospital in Covet and his family couldn't visit them and you're telling me it's very important that we have dance lines, this was something that happened at rallies, like dance lines in the streets of New York to fight the racism, that is deeply important but that a daughter can visit her father before he dies that is not important. I am but what I am because of your freedom to protest.

I'm 100 for your freedom to protest. I'm also for your freedom to go to the gym. I'm also for your freedom to go to a comedy club if you choose, for your freedom to go to a restaurant. Look, they figured out how to make restaurants in a lot of places, waiters wear masks and a lot of them wear face shields. distance the tables from each other you do temperature checks you write down the names and addresses of people when they come in so that if someone gets sick if there is some kind of type and they have been able to do this no, this is correct, the vectors of transmission Usually, they are closed areas, people in close proximity to each other for long periods of time.

Yeah right, that's where people get this stuff and I trust that most Americans aren't like some Americans are idiots. Some people are just idiots. Oh, there are many. of videos oh yes you look at youtube there are a lot of karens out there how sad it is if your name is karen and you are a good person all the good karens out there I'm sorry ladies I'm so sorry but that's how it is I made this point online. I got criticized for it, but I was pointing out that most Americans are wearing masks right now. Bipolar data. 59 of Americans say they always wear a mask when they leave the house and if you look at the mask wearing map. across the board, in the places where there are more cases, people wear masks, that's not it, I wasn't saying masks don't work, I wear a mask, I think the evidence shows that they do something and we don't know that they do it.

They're not like full protection, they're cloth masks are not as effective as surgical masks which are not as effective as M95 masks, but wear a good mask. What I wanted to say is that people are acting in a fairly rational way, that is, if they think about Kovit. It's like all around you you're wearing a mask and you're social distancing, so this idea is that Gavin Newsom knows best how you should live your life like I do. I had some issues with that, especially since California

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d the same surge as Texas and Florida. and california never opened i mean we've been here the whole time california never really opened well we were doing pretty well until the protests yeah everything seemed to be on the rise the comedy store was talking to them about becoming an essential business and and open because they had opened bars and they had opened restaurants and they didn't really have a designation for comedy clubs, they kind of talked about it as a live performance venue, but that puts comedy clubs in the same place as downtown of staples, which sounds crazy, so listen, we can do this, we can do temperature checks at half capacity, do it right, they're doing it right in a lot of places across the country, we can do this, the audience has than wearing masks, this is totally doable and they were right about to do that and then post this other thing: we were trying to figure out if it's just protest, I think they're bars too, yeah, the thing about bars is a close conversation , people are talking, yes, they. they're drunk and they're on top of each other, I think the bars probably have a significant church update, a lot of singing, a lot of correct vocalizations, the churches and synagogues were the main vector for this, yeah, I mean, but again, all of these they are things that are It's pretty common sense and we can agree and yet we are beating each other up over these things and there is the suggestion that we know what to do if only we did it it would stop it won't stop , it's okay, it won't stop.

It's a very communicable disease, we don't have a vaccine as long as there are people out there, it will continue to happen. Wear a mask if you are around other people and that's it. Hospitals are getting better at this, thank goodness. Yeah, they are, and the crazy thing was they said you can only protest if it's a black lives matter protest. How about a protest to boost your immunity? How about a protest to educate people on augmentation techniques and strategies? your immune system is there, they are out there and there is no discussion about this among health professionals, excuse me, among politicians, if you listen to health professionals, people who really understand the human body will tell you that there are many strategies, there are a lot of things you could do, first of all, eliminate alcohol, eliminate caffeine, eliminate sugar, eliminate everything in your diet, start taking vitamin supplements, go outside, drink some of vitamin D, get your body doing healthy exercise, do all these things and you will increase your immune system. increases your body's health, you don't hear a word of it, it's all just staying locked up, you know we have to stay apart to keep everyone safe and damn, the number one vector for transmission is still the right of home , which is still number one.

The vector in every society is people going home and giving it to each other, and when I think back, for me one of the breaking points in Los Angeles was when they decided that they were going to close all the open areas that they were going to They're going to close all the parks, they're going to close all the beaches, and I thought, what is this? Well, not only does it go against science because there have been articles studied showing that this virus dies almost instantly when exposed to sunlight or even artificial sunlight, yes, none of this makes any sense, but it seems that deep down There were a lot of gaps in American society and then something bad happened and everything fell apart, it was like a house of cards and then there's a little weight placed right on top of the house of cards and everything just collapsed in on itself, well , people are panicking, you know they're getting scared and then the economy collapses, so the economy collapses at the same time as The George Floyd protests led to people starting to loot and then people They didn't care about George Floyd or black lives they were just stealing and then these police let them steal.

They were standing in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica, literally, cops standing there. While people are saying, I have to say the media coverage of these things is just terrible, the media was applauding these things and simultaneously making two arguments that there was conflict with each other, one was that these are mostly peaceful protests, first of all. , mostly peaceful, is the most vague, most vaguely defined and arbitrarily applied term in history. Simpson was mostly peaceful that night oj Simpson was mostly peaceful that night for about an hour 15 actually he wasn't peaceful, but for the other hours between dusk and dawn he was incredibly peaceful like me.

I've never heard this term before where a protest turns into a big riot, you know, destroying all of Melrose and everyone's like, well, it was mostly peaceful, what's that? What's that? So how about this? How about you say that the protesters and the looters are two different groups of people and we treat them differently if you are protesting, that is a First Amendment activity, the moment you break a store window you go to the jail, that's how they should work or alternatively if you say so. If you are the same group then you should be treated as lawbreakers so I guess the first thing I believe is that you are a protester you should protest, if you are a looter and a rioter then you should go to jail but the The media refused to do so. that distinction and then act as if the police are the bad guys when they come to arrest people who are breaking the laws.

I think he's in Portland right now, they're trying to burn down the damn courthouse, yeah, and the feds are coming. come in and start arresting people and people like that it's the Gestapo, it's okay to talk like one of the tribe, let me tell you this is not like the Gestapo, okay, the Gestapo wasn't famous for attacking people and then accusing them and then If you didn't have charges for releasing them that wasn't a gestapo thing I'm sorry but you decided you wanted to firebomb the federal courthouse and your local mayor said he wasn't going to let the police do anything and then dhs came in and told you arrested, I mean, I'm sorry, it's just that at some point someone has to restore some semblance of law and order here, well, it's a strange situation because I don't understand exactly why they're attacking. the courthouse i don't exactly understand why they are breaking the windows on amazon, wow it's steve martin right, they think they must hate these cans of paint on the jerk's part right, but it went from this to literally tearing down the structure of society , well, this is where we get into kind of a deep philosophy point and this is really the biggest problem right now on the point of racism is the changing definition of racism, so I had the unfortunate

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of reading one of the best ones. -selling books in the field white fragility by robin d'angelo and let me tell you that a group of horses has never produced such a big pile of shit, it's a horrible book and it's basically based on the same theory as ibrahim kendy about how To be anti-racist, the basic definition of racism changes in this theory, so you and I were sitting here arguing about racism and the way I define racism is probably the same way you define racism, believe in the inferiority or superiority of a group. based on an individual's race based on his membership in that group also true, that would be racism i think you are inferior or superior based on your race end of story true that is racist so robin d'angelo and ibramkendi redefining racism to mean any social structure that results in racial inequality is itself racist, so any structure that results in an inexact ratio between whites and blacks makes the NBA racist exactly, the answer is more or except yes, except the NBA is not. racist because it obviously benefits black people, I mean now the NBA isn't racist except it's because it's a meritocracy, it's the reason the NBA isn't racist, but Robin D'Angelo and Kendy suggest that meritocracy is a aspect of whiteness, they say that meritocracy and individualism are aspects of whiteness because these institutions, things like meritocracy and individualism, and not seeing people's colors, they just reinforce hierarchies that end up with disparate results and, therefore , what they say is that to be anti-racist you have to want to tear down the entire system, they literally say this, I'm not, I really am not, I know I'm not misidentifying the argument because again I've read their books. the basic notion that to be anti-racist you have to tear down free markets or you have to tear down free speech or you have to do it and what that means is, of course, every time there is rioting and looting that's really just a expression of indignation towards the American system in general and therefore justifies that type of thing.

That's why you saw nicole hannah jones, the de facto editor of the new york times 1619 project, tweeting that she appreciated people calling them the 16 19 riots because once you say america has its roots in slavery and evil in a terrible place, horrible, no good, very bad, then robbing a store is just the latest version of your fight against the system, explain the 1619 correlation to people, if you are sure, the 1619 project is something put. advanced by the new york times it is not good history there are four Pulitzer Prize winning historians who said that this is not good history the basic argument is that the united states was not founded in 1776 with the principles of the declaration of independence the count of the country in It was actually founded in 1619 with the importation of African slaves to American shores because that was when the first African slave arrived in the United States in 1619.

So the idea is that the entire history of America is the history of a system that is endemically white supremacist and that the entire declaration of independence is basically a lie that the principles of all men are created equal that was a lie when it was written and it is a lie now that the idea that we have rights that pre-existing government is an entire lie these things are lies the constitution was built to enshrine white supremacy and there has been no evolution so essentially they argue that from 1619 to 2020 it is a continuum racism has gone a little underground but it is still there and it is still It's still implicit in all of our systems, which is why the 1619 project has essays that blame literally everything on racism, so the disparities in maternal mortality between black and white women, which by the way exist in Europe and Canada, are due to the trafficking patterns of American racism in the United States. is due to systematic American racism, every racial disparity is attributable to a system that had its roots in slavery, now the traditional American notion that the United States was founded in 1776 and that American history is that the United States tolerated the great original sin of slavery until the civil war and then tolerated Jim Crow until the civil rights movement of the 1960s and that is a great stain and blood on America, but the history of America is trying to fulfill the promises of the declaration of independence over time, make those promises available. for everyone and this is not my argument, this is the argument of martin luther king jr when he speaks at the march in washington about the fulfillment of the promissory note of the declaration of independence, he says that we are here to cash the check that you issued us a check and then you didn't let black Americans be Americans we're here to cash the check is the argument frederick douglass makes freed slave in 1852 gives famous speech before slavery ended says the 4th of july means nothing to black people Americans because we're not included in the deal, include us in the deal, American history is the declaration of independence, those principles that basically we should all agree on because they're pretty good principles, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, all the things you see. in the constitution that those things brought greater freedom and prosperity than anything else and helped us overcome the sins that are present in all human societies and that were also present in the United States in an extreme way, but that is the correct counternarrative, the 16 -19 project says that all of that was basically nonsense and that America is just a story where white people keep black people oppressed and that essentially no progress has been made, if there is progress it is mostly a lie and , therefore, every disparity can now be attributed to historical disparities among whites. and black, is there a middle ground?

So if we look at 1776 and we look at the declaration of independence and we look at America today in 2020, clearly there is some impact on the echoes of slavery and after that, Jim Crow, clearly there is some impact on these deeply impoverished communities that don't seem moving forward, yeah, so to argue about institutional racism, there are a couple of ways you can read this when people say systemic racism or institutional racism. I usually ask them to be a little more specific in what they mean because there are some ways you can read that a story has impact, of course, that's true, true, it's true for everyone, it's true in your family history, yeah You have a grandfather who went to prison for a particular charge that led to poverty for your parents, which led to more poverty for you, the right people have stories, those stories are embedded in their life experiences and that's true for you too. societies, all of that is true, then there is the question of whether today's institutions are racist. and that is not the same, right, because history has consequences, it is not the same as saying that the current rules are racist because the current rules are not racist, in reality the current rules are not racist, but historically it is quite recent if be part of the civil rights movement until 2020 we're not really talking about that long, it's about three generations, over 50 years, 60 years, yeah, I mean, it's over 50, right in the world, you know, in the best span in the history of humanity, is not a very small amount. of time, so clearly there is some impact of both racism and Jim Crow laws, so that's where I say there is a middle ground, yes, and it's independent, it's important for people on my side of conservatives to recognize and recognize the importance of history in people's life situations now and it's important that people on the other side of the aisle at the same time not attribute everything to history because it's true, but people who are bullies, kind of , there are always extremes in every position and the truth is somewhere in the middle, yes, but I don't think it's as much in the center of it as people, I think, want.

What I mean by that are the problems that have plagued communities in the United States, not only. the black community in the United States, but the problems of racism or sexism the way they are alleviated is that people make better decisions over time, right, that's the problem, that's the way those problems are alleviated when Jews came to the United States in the early 20th century to talk about my people when they came they were impoverished they didn't speak the language they were banned from country clubs there was open discrimination against them they were banned from college Harvard right, right, there were quotas for Jews the way to fight that is to make good decisions and so you fight the system to make sure that the system has rules that apply equally to everyone, but you You see clearly that there is a big difference between people who come here voluntarily and those who do.

So to improve their lives compared to someone whose ancestors were dragged here to be sold as property and then deal with the repercussions of that being their family history and the exclusion laws and all the other things that were put in place to keep them . in very specific areas that to this day remain deeply impoverished communities ravaged by crime and gangs. Well, that's true, but the question is how much of that is historical redlining and how much of that is an 18-year-old kid who today decides to fire a gun and shoot someone, but how much of that 18-year-old kid who today decides to take a gun and shoot someone is based on him growing up in this environment where that's what he models, where everything around him is crime and gangs and you model his atmosphere, which is what all humans do well, but the answer is that there is only one way to break that chain.

What's that way to not pick up a gun and shoot someone? I think it's a simplistic way to look at it if you're on the outside of that community and you're not one of those 18 year old kids who grow up with the incredible influence of all the people around you and that's all you see and that's all that you know well, but the problem is the only way What your child doesn't know is that you don't at some point, personal agency has to come. In some ways, it does so because the expectation is to educate them and teach them about personal agency and let them understand that there is a way out. of this and that the path they see is replicated over and over again by these people who end up dying young who end up going to prison that there are other options there are many children who never obtain that other information or if they do obtain it They receive small details, but the The vast majority of the information, the vast majority of the influence they receive is terrible.

Well, I totally agree with this and that is why I think the worst thing you can say to a child is that you are born. behind the eight ball and no matter what you do, you're not going to succeed, that's literally the worst thing you can say to a child. What you should tell him is look how your grandfather was born behind the eight ball and look how hard he had it. work to get ahead and look at all the options, that is true, but if your grandfather was not ahead, you did not get ahead, if your grandfather went in and out of jail, if your father went in and out of jail, everyone who surround.

It's like that if there's literally no influence that's positive in your life, the idea of ​​telling a kid like that, hey, don't pick up a gun and shoot someone, is an overly simplistic version of their future in my mind, I mean. . The problem is that I don't see an alternative solution. I think an alternative solution is that there has to be some kind of large-scale intervention in these communities to do something about what has already been put in place and the momentum that continues. decade after decade I don't know what could be done right, but that's the problem is that I think a lot of the solutions that have been proposed have already been tried, which means it's okay, so for example lbj thought that the way to alleviate a lot of these inequalities was the war on poverty and he talked openly about this, he talked about this, he gave a very famous speech in which he said we are trying to ensure equality of outcomes, not just equality of opportunity, equality of results, and you can't keep the race where someone starts 20 yards behind and then fires the gun and says, "Okay, it's an even race," so you have to have the person who is 20 yards behind come to the starting lines where they are equal, and that was the idea.

We are going to wage this war on poverty and alleviate it largely through transfer payments and through the government taking a decisive step in favor of easing people's lives. We have spent 22 trillion dollars on the war on poverty and we have approximately the same number of black Americans living below the poverty line as we lived below the poverty line in the late 70s. The real problems they are creating intergenerational poverty. Everyone knows it, but it's still true, the number one predictor of intergenerational poverty. In the United States it is still a single mother, the single motherhood rate in the black community was 20 in 1960, today it is over 70, which is not unique to the black community, by the way, it is also true in the white community , as well as in five percent of white children. born out of wedlock in 1960 today it is more than 40 percent, that is not something that has happened and it is not a question of an increase in racism that is not happening because of the increase in racism, right, that is happening because it has There has been a cultural shift that places tremendous emphasis for whites or blacks or anyone on personal responsibility and personal agency, there needs to be a mindset shift, by the way, we do this in every other area of ​​life.American, except in the most important decisions in the area of ​​​​sports, no one does this routine and There is a point that Shelby Steele makes in the area of ​​​​sports: if a kid doesn't have a good jump shot, no one tells him, you know So you don't have a good jump shot because your dad didn't have a good jump shot. shot his grandfather didn't have a good jump shot and the game is biased against you, we say, okay, if you want to be on the team you're going to have to learn how to shoot a jump shot, right, that sounds harsh, that sounds bad. but sports are different and this is why sports are different because you go into them regardless of your culture, you base what you're trying to do on the parameters of the rules and the people you're competing against, that's how you look at it. .

It's like that, whatever culture you're from, you come into this new thing with this very rigid set of rules. I don't think white people are good or that Asian people have a monopoly on valuing education or a monopoly on hard work or punctuality or anything else. I think that black people have exactly the same ability as anyone of any other race to do all of these things and those are the preconditions for success, you either meet them or you don't, I mean, that's true for everyone, but not for success. , but don't you think that a lot of that is based on the environment that you grow up in and the people around you and the lives that you imitate and the influences that you have around you? something to influence those children in a different way look , I was very lucky when I was young because I discovered martial arts and that stopped me from being what I could have been as a bad kid because it gave me something to focus on, and I did.

I didn't grow up in a bad environment, but it wasn't the best. There are a lot of people who grow up in horrible environments and never have that, never have anything, don't have a parent around or not. They don't have a mother around or any bad influence they have is overwhelming and they don't have it, it's very difficult for someone to just express quotes. It's very difficult, for sure, which is why to this day there are so many books about losing. weight, don't you think that everyone wants to lose weight, that's fat, they do it, everyone who is fat wants to be thin, they do it, but it's hard, sure, and that's nothing compared to changing your entire life, but you would say that someone loses weight.

I know what's not helpful here is lamenting about how bad your family has had it with weight loss. At a certain point, if you want to lose weight, you must find a way to lose weight. It's true. This is based on information. that I have I have this wealth of information that I've been able to absorb if you're in these isolated environments and everyone around you is involved in gangs and crime and drugs, it's very difficult to model yourself after something that you don't know I don't see it in real life, It's totally true, totally true and that's why again it's necessary to put more information into areas.

I agree with many of the opportunities that education should provide. Getting people educated outside of their local public school would be a good option. change, I mean being able to move out of your garbage, local public schools would be good, the best influences for kids growing up in these environments seem to be people who have gone out and then come back and talk to them properly and tell them how to do it. do it, but none of this can be done, but to return to the original conversation, none of this has to do with telling children that you live in an evil country that seeks to depress you, maybe not, but there has been a little put a lot of emphasis on taking these impoverished communities and figuring out how to get them out of this situation.

That's true, so I don't think it's true. Yes, I am referring to the amount we have spent at the federal and state level on education. anti-poverty programs and programs over time, but on a year-to-year level, I mean, it's huge amounts of money, this is not a mon, this is not really a money problem, it's really not a money problem. money in simple terms of how you could. Sign everyone a check tomorrow, correct the predicate, so the predicate for the slavery reparations movement is exactly this. Sign everyone a check for $80,000 and the problem will be alleviated. No no.

I do not think it is like that. I don't think so. I think they'll spend 80,000 and go back to square one, but I think there's an argument that there may be some form of engineering, whether it's community centers or education, or doing something different in these chip places. far from this problem, so on those things we totally agree, the only point I'm making about the 16 19 project is that when you teach people that they are victims of a society, it becomes very difficult for them to succeed in history of the blacks. America should be a story of incredibly brave people triumphing over systems that sucked.

I mean, that's the story of black America. The majority of black Americans do not live below the poverty line. In the United States there is a huge black middle class. There is a black upper class. Yeah, let's simplify this if we can be sure that if Ben Shapiro is king of the world, how do you fix Baltimore, how do you fix Detroit, how do you fix the south side of Chicago, okay, here's the unpopular view, but it turns out be correct empirically the first thing you have to do is charge the police place because you have to stop crime once you stop crime then companies will be happy to invest in those areas that you are in We are not going to get companies to invest in those areas and provide jobs unless crime goes away.

In fact, one of the reasons there is such a big difference in racial crime in the United States is white racism and there is a point where Jane Levy, a writer for the LA Times, has written a book called Ghetto Side and points out that the reason crime among blacks was so high in the early 20th and late 19th centuries is because white communities were basically saying to black communities: You're in your own right and you enjoy it, so crime rates Crime ended up increasing because there were no police there. You have to make sure that law-abiding people are protected, that law-abiding businesses are protected, that people want to live there, that people want to invest there. you have to restore faith in the churches, right, you need social institutions outside of the government that promote things like family, you need, you need more, one of the reasons you need more companies in these areas is so that they can offer educational opportunities to the children, internships. offers to go to college and then come back and work for us for a couple of years, right?

You need opportunities the same way you create opportunities anywhere else in the world. It needs to provide a safe space for businesses to operate and for freedom of expression to flourish. and for education to be valued, you have to get in, you have to make it clear to all the kids that if you graduate from high school you will have a chance to go to college, which, by the way, is 100 true today if you're a black kid and you graduate high school. school at any level of achievement, you will have a very solid chance of at least going to a community college and if you get even a decent score on the tests of going to a very high level university, affirmative action programs are extraordinarily common throughout USA. but the first message is that we are going to ensure that law and order prevails here, a safe space for life, liberty, property and private property and we will make sure that you, as a law-abiding citizen, have the opportunity to succeed because The biggest obstacle to young black people growing up again in the inner city is not the history, it's the timing, the drugs, the crime, the fact that there are no parents in many of these areas.

Roland Fryer, a black professor at Harvard, has done excellent work showing that actually the number one factor in allowing children to grow up is not even having a father in the home, but how many fathers there are generally in a community, so you can have a single mother, but there are many other male parents. numbers that help fill the gap, these are practical things that give children the ability to choose the school they go to so they don't have to go to the bad local public school, if it's a bad local public school, It would be a solution. here, but this all starts with the notion that it is not racist in the least to suggest that law and order should prevail and that law-abiding people should be protected in the exercise of their rights.

I think you're absolutely right about that and I think even though it might be an unpopular opinion, I agree with you, I think it's very important now, what do you do in this environment when you look at the way people distrust the police now? in particular? I mean, I've been reading stories. about cops who go to five-star burgers and can't be served because people don't serve cops and this idea that all cops are bad and this is a very disturbing prospect for me because you're seeing what's happening now. same in Chicago. You're looking at what's happening right now in New York, where there is a massive increase in violent crime because the police presence is perceived to have greatly decreased.

So how do you reaffirm trust in law enforcement and what do you do to reform it? law enforcement because clearly there are some people who are cops who shouldn't be cops yeah there are some things you can do right off the bat that people right, left and center have talked about and one of them is you can Reduce qualified immunity in certain areas, so qualified immunity is the idea that you are not subject to a civil suit if you don't do something wrong that specifically had precedent in the law, so you can do something wrong, but as long as no one else has done it. done the exact same thing before not being subject to civil liability, I could experience it, it's a little complicated, it's qualified immunity, it generally means that if I do something wrong, then as a police officer I act within the scope of my reasonable general authority , you can't sue me for the way they do something bad, what happens if you shoot someone while you are operating correctly?

So the reason qualified immunity, as currently understood under Supreme Court doctrine, is too broad is because the standard used to be that you would have to act as a reasonable police officer if you were acting as a police officer. reasonable police and you took a reasonable action, right, someone went for his waist, they had an object there and you didn't know if it was a gun, you shot them well, presumably it wouldn't be appropriate because it's still reasonable, you track a guy down, you shoot him for your back, you know, and then you put the weapon on him that would presumably be appropriate, right?

He would be personally responsible. So the way the Supreme Court has done it is they expanded qualified immunity to the point where you can still get away with some bad things and not be sued for it, so we need to stop that. The second thing is that police union contracts need to be completely redone across the country. Police union contracts right now protect a lot of bad cops, because police unions are designed to protect union members like any other union, yeah, so what? What it means is that police unions I'm not a fan of public sector unions in general, but police unions should have a limited ability to protect police officers who do something wrong.

Third, it is necessary to have a national registry of police officers who are disciplined for violating the laws. procedure so they can't just leave the police force and then go work for a Ferguson police force, right or something. Those are some easy things that can be done from the beginning, but the most important thing right now, the most important factor in terms of lack of faith between the police and the citizens really is the media because there has been a lot of talk about the racial composition of police forces. The majority of the Los Angeles Police Department is a minority.

The majority of the Baltimore Police Department is a minority. I think a large percentage of the Chicago Police Department. is a minority, so it's really not about knowing that there are a lot of white cops in black neighborhoods in Baltimore, but it's that there are a lot of black cops in black neighborhoods and that hasn't solved the problem of people distrusting the police on a level endemic, well, it's an inherently difficult job. It's a lousy job, I mean I have nothing but for good cops, those are heroes and the vast majority of cops are good cops and they are heroes, yeah, I read a meme the other day that is very accurate.

He said that if you have 130 good police officers and 12 police officers you have or 12 bad police officers, you have 12 bad police officers. If you have 130 good cops and 12 bad cops, but the 130 won't do anything with the 12 bad cops you have. We have 142 bad cops, yeah, and I thinkIt's true, I think it's true, I think it's also true that our standard of what constitutes a bad cop has become somewhat much stricter, so that, for example, there are cases that become national stories. in which a cop was labeled a bad cop, he wasn't a bad cop, true, but there sure are bad cops, look, look, here's a great example of the cops who pushed that old guy and where was Buffalo, New York? , it's there.

It was yeah, granted, yeah, that's crazy, I mean, and that's white-on-white crime, right, I mean, it's a white guy pushing this old guy down and the craziest part of that was the way the president reacted like, oh, the way he felt Sam seemed funny. maybe it was Antifa, yeah, maybe it was undercover like there was literally the worst possible reaction to seeing an old man being pushed down by a strong young man, you mean President Trump had the worst possible reaction to something worse, yeah, I mean the unknown President Trump. having bad reactions look, I'm a big supporter of law enforcement.

I have many friends who are police officers. I know many friends. A lot of martial arts people who are UFC cops. I know many police officers. from jiu jitsu I met a lot of cops growing up in all the different martial arts disciplines that I participated in, a lot of cops get involved in that, there are a lot of good cops, there are a lot of good people out there, but it's a crazy job. and a lot of them have ptsd for sure, but i will say that one of the big myths is that the big threat to the black community in the united states is law enforcement, it's bullshit, not only is it bullshit, It's counterproductive nonsense and you're I see it, but it's a plan, right?

It's a threat all these times. It is at the data level. An extraordinarily small threat. Law enforcement. Law enforcement is a threat to black lives. a total of 15 unarmed black Americans shot across the United States in a country of 42 million black people the problem is when it happens it doesn't matter what the statistics are if people watch that video and that video is shared 200 million times. It seems like there are 200 million white police officers killing a black man and that's why I say the media's treatment of this issue is simply horrible, it's not just the media, it's social media, social media has blown up these things and it's gotten to the point where if you say it's a horrible situation, it's also an anecdotal situation, here's some data, if you present the data, it's like you're fine.

Are you ignoring people's lived experiences? That's racist. How can you present the data? Data is data does not take into account the whole story. Nobody takes into account a large part of the story. That's why they are called data, like me. This anecdotal evidence is not evidence of an anecdote, it is not evidence of a broad national trend, nor is it evidence that adopting a broad national policy like cutting funding to the police at a time of rising crime is a good idea because it wears a video. on youtube I'm sorry it's a terrible idea but when you look at these videos the silver lining if there is any silver lining is that they are now responsible and this has been going on forever if you talk to black people I grew up in areas affected by poverty, they will tell you horrible stories about police abuse and I think the number is like 25 percent more likely that a black or brown person who has any type of interaction with a police officer is 25 percent more likely to become physical. or that they are abused, that is true when you look at the murder statistics, yes, police officers kill more white people than black people, but there are many more white people, no, not even on a percentage basis when you have to use the control group For crimes, you cannot use the raw population control group, so you have to look at people who are in situations where a fatal interaction is likely.

There have been multiple studies showing that black people are not in greater danger of being shot. by police officers than by whites, but it is true that low-level uses of force between police and blacks are worse than low-level uses of force between police and whites, right, that is the role in the friars' study, still There are some confusions that have been resolved. To figure it out, I think white people are probably less likely to believe that cops will kill them, while black people are probably convinced that cops will kill them, which might influence why there are more white people killed by cops, I mean, that may very well be true, it may also be that low level uses of force are perhaps disparate if you think the police are likely to be racist then you are more likely to resist the police officer and then they are more likely to give you a beating, so it is very difficult to eliminate confusion.

The only thing we know for sure is that the greatest threat to black life, just like the greatest threat to white life, is members of your own race. kill you like you're talking about real murders whites are murdered by whites blacks are murdered by blacks by people you know mostly well, it's intraracial true, there are very few interracial crimes like black on white or white on black In the United States there are a lot of intraracial crimes, a lot of whites victimize whites and blacks victimize blacks and the question is how to stop that. That's why I don't know if you saw this interview.

It's kind of an incredible interview, Terry Crews, the actor, yeah, he was with his own Don Lemon, right, and Don Lemon, he's making slogans about black lives matter and Terry Crews says, well, all lives matter and Don Lemon says, but no black lives matter. It doesn't mean all black lives matter, right, but Terry Crews said all black lives matter and he said no, no, not all black lives matter, just black lives matter, we're just talking about police brutality right now and Terry Crews said why aren't we talking? about all black lives matter because if black lives matter means you defund the cops and defund the cops means more dead black people so why wouldn't those lives matter too?

And this is where the oncoming slogan gets in the way of real progress because that's where ideology hits. The facts are correct, it gets very strange and Terry Crews got some terrible names for it, but then a video of Don Lemon from 2013 came out punishing, it sounds like me, in that sense, it sounds like me, talk, it sounds exactly like you, It's very funny, take off your pants. up, get together, you know, like I'm literally saying things like don't have babies out of wedlock, okay, stay in school, which, by the way, again, this is all common sense and true for all races, no it's just about black people, young white people in Appalachia. they need to get together yes, they all need to get together, but again, young white people in Appalachia are dealing with the same thing, what's around them all the time is crime, people taking pills, everyone having babies out of wedlock, impoverished people, no hope , no potential for escape, I mean I agree, but the first thing that has to change is that my dad had one when I was looking to get married, my dad said the way you get married is not that you find a girl and then you decide to get married you decide to get married and then you find a girl, which means you have to decide that you're in the way this might be what we don't agree on more like way to hook up with the wrong woman bro well you take the life decision at that moment in your life when you want to make a decision in that sense, get married when you love a girl so much that you are willing to do it.

Do something so stupid that you're willing to marry her because marrying her is how we get married. It's less painful for you than the thought of losing that person because I think marriage is the good thing. about this is that there is financial protection for the family, particularly when there are children involved, I think that's when it's the most important thing, you know, I think there is financial protection for the children, look, I grew up without child support, my father was a father lazy, so I know. what it's like to be poor because your father doesn't support you I think it's horrible I've seen it in many situations I know a lot of people who have been victims of this it's disgusting there are a lot of shitty men out there who don't take care of their children, white people, blacks, asians, it's a universal need.

I think that's where the legal definition of marriage comes into play and the protection of children and the protection of the woman who has to financially care for these children. I think that's important when it comes to bringing the status in some way to another solidify your love like you know I love you, you love me, but let's bring in a group of people that we don't know and let's write it down on paper, that's a nonsense, well I totally agree with that obviously but the point I'm making is that when you want to make a change in your life you first have to commit that you want to make the change before you make the change well sometimes you know to someone that's why you want to make a change, they don't try. for them, okay, so I won't go into marriage advice here, but I have some, you know, I've been married for 12 years at this point, thank God, very happy marriage, we have three children and the reason I say that you have to do it. deciding that you want to get married before you get married is because you are looking for a different set of factors so if you are if you are if you decide that you want to get married what are you going to look for are there common values ​​who is the person you want to build your life with? you share interests you share a vision for the future whereas if you fall into it then you may fall in love with someone who you don't share any of these things with and it makes it a lot harder later on I really don't think they'll like it right I don't think you'll fall in love with someone you don't share values ​​with i think you think they're hot and you want people to invent these things pretty regularly well, people are dumb people are really dumb people tattoo their eyeballs ben they do a lot of dumb things you live in a world, No, man, that's not my world, no.

I don't have friends with tattooed eyes, but people make mistakes when they are physically attracted to someone and you know, particularly men are and I guess women too. I'm just not one of them. They are often attracted to people who they think are sexy but who are bad choices in terms of a life partner, true, but I don't think you'll fall in love with those people who just become how many times did you marry a girl just because They thought they were good, many, many, many men, period, it's not just Jews that like the drug of sexual attraction, it's the best-selling drug in the United States, it sells cars, it sells houses, it literally sells lifestyles. , pornography, yes, but what do I mean when you see a woman with a short skirt and long legs lustfully walking around a car what do you do? what is she?

What are you saying she? you're saying if you buy this car maybe you can this girl that's what you're saying well of course the worst false advertising we have in America but that's why when it comes to marriage I think it's important to get your big head on first that the other uh, you know, Jonathan's height in his book, his book called The Happiness Hypothesis, great book, fantastic, right, he and he talk about this. right, it speaks to the fact that people make a large-scale mistake about marriage: they think that the passion you feel at the beginning is what you'll feel 40 years from now and that's not how this works, it starts. where your level of passionate love for someone means lust and how much you want to have him in bed and how much you want to be with him all the time is like 100 and you and your level of committed type of love right at that level of love that you've shared values ​​that you care so much about and then over time, after about two years, passionate love starts to decline and when you're 60, you better have shared values ​​because after 60 years that's not the case.

It's going to be like when you were 20. So you have to keep in mind how things will be in a few years, that's why I say you should think about what your life together will be like. like before sleeping together, that's good advice, but well, that's why I disagree because I don't think there's anything wrong with sleeping with someone you're not going to live the rest of your life with, that's where and probably I don't agree, yeah, I mean, I think it's a bad idea in general and again I think it's a bad idea because there are a lot of people who have had really good times with those bad ideas and it may be that when I die I look back and That's one of my big regrets, my friend, but let me tell you, I think what I've lost in my life is at least more than made up for by the relationship. that I have with my wife, so I can talk anecdotally, but I will also rely on data, which is the mostThe longer you live with someone before you get married, the higher the divorce rate afterwards, so that's the higher divorce rate.

Then, if you live with someone for a long time and then get married, there is a higher percentage of chances that you will end up getting divorced. That is interesting. I wonder why it's probably due to open window syndrome since people feel fine. I lived with you for a long time. three years why aren't we married yet? Why aren't we married yet? because the guy is like, oh the window is still open and they're still fully engaged, so once the guy logs out, she's like, why didn't you do this? Five years ago, well, there was some of that and it also feels like everyone has settled down like that.

I'm so committed to this. I want to get married right now. Maybe they just made mushrooms together and realized that they really love each other. Each other again, a different world, man, you know, I have a different experience than everyone else. I dated my wife for three months. Got engaged. We got married in 10 months. We were married for 12 years. We are both versions when we are. married so we're old school clearly works for you. I've tried to be open-minded to basically all kinds of ways people live their lives, including couples who live with other couples and swap wives, which I feel is the case. complicated, I mean, I'll be honest, it's complicated, I always think those people are trying, I know people who do that and I almost universally believe that they are distracting themselves from their life, they are distracting themselves from their career, they are reaching their potential.

Whether it's as an artist or as a creative person or as a person who follows a discipline, I really think that a lot of times when people complicate their lives with multiple sexual partners, and a lot of times what they're doing is what they're doing. If you are getting distracted and you don't realize it in the moment, that you keep getting pulled in this direction, pulled in that direction, it's because you don't have a main focus on something that is very important to you, yes, you know, and it doesn't mean Just because you have to be with this person for the rest of your life doesn't mean you have to be with just one person, but when I see a guy you know is involved in swinging or something and then they're balancing a bunch of girls different, believe me, you're going to waste your time, man, you know there's not enough time in this life, I mean, it's weird to put this whole conversation together, but it's true that if you want to be good at something or be successful at something you have than to commit to it, yes, and that's it. true whether you're talking about marriage it's true whether you're talking about educational success whether you're talking about career and people you know making bad decisions because distractions are distractions , distractions and distractions with every discipline and I think relationships are a discipline in many of On some things I totally agree, yeah, I mean, and it's true that you know you have to do the pre-investment and you have to commit to continuing to invest in the relationship as time goes by, yes. and then that's where people fall off the wagon, that's why I see a lot of divorces around the third year, just when that passionate love wanes and the companion and love is the name of the term when the companion love starts to rise, People say well yes, but loving a partner is a lot of fun, it's the passion of loving, of course, no, of course, that's how it works well, that's nature's biological trick, the ultimate biological trick is Like look when we were monkeys hiding from eagles, okay, you had to do it. as much as you can and spread that seed because you probably only had five or six years on this earth and you're dead at 32 years old.

Yes, you were trying to get as much of your DNA out as possible. that is still within us that program is still within us and that program is when you see a man and he is with a beautiful woman but another beautiful woman passes by and he looks at her and thinks maybe he can do better that is something that is programmed into your DNA but you have to understand what that is if you're a man and you understand what that is, you say, oh, this is nature and it's a dirty little trick, a dirty little trick trying to get me to spread my seed brett weinstein he Enlightened this in a really interesting way.

He was telling me what the difference is between beautiful and attractive and I was like, uh, I don't know what the difference is. He's beautiful, he's someone you look at and say, "Wow, that person looks beautiful." how cute they have a beautiful face or wonderful eyes they look very hot it's someone who wears like a short skirt and their tits stick out and you look at that person you go this is an opportunity to spread my dna without commitment and that's what that is that's what's attractive and what's hot that's what's hot that's what's sold that's what's sold cheap and fast that's what porn is porn is all hot porn isn't beautiful it's not, I don't think porn is not bad either, but the porn is all hot they are all dirty girls it's all your stepmom your dad is playing golf is that kind of person you know it's like if you know you're the pizza guy you show up and two girls are having a pillow fight yes exactly it is you're your lizard brain versus your prefrontal cortex exactly yes, it's your monkey brain it's that monkey that wants to hide from the eagle that's what it is it's like I can do this very quickly and across the board you're going to You're going to have a better life .

It may not be a more attractive life, but you will have a better life if you use your prefrontal cortex a little more often. Yes, unless you're Hugh Hefner. I don't know if he had a good life. or not, it seemed like I know some people who worked with him near the end, yeah, you seem a little miserable, I mean, towards the end, I'm sure he's miserable, he's an 80 year old guy who dates guys from 20, what do you have to do? tell these people, it's like you're talking to o.j simpson o.j simpson had a mostly peaceful day, mostly peaceful, well his life is mostly annoying, the moment it gets to them, when you're 80, you only get to the ones 24 years.

How long can it last once every six weeks? How about? Well, he's probably taking all kinds of drugs that keep his penis hard, but I imagine he couldn't run on a treadmill for 20 minutes at that age. So how are you going to have sex for 20 minutes? If even if you have sex it's probably exhausting and the rest of the day you just listen to them talk about ticking and all kinds of stupid things, it's like you remember when. frank sinatra was here and we were banging everything inside and he says those were the old days i was wearing a robe i had a pipe we were having fun on a tv show i had my own channel he had a playboy channel for a while yeah i think that the image is much more interesting than the actual act of living that life, yes, and I think that goes back to you know that every bad decision that people make is tied to this is the image of things. better than the reality of things it is true in politics it is true in love it is true many things are drawn yes and then you have to look at the reality of things and you don't want to be an 80 year old guy who lives with five 24 year old girls years, just no, that guy lived in hell, I guarantee you, I bet his life was mostly annoying, but every once in a while, while having sex with those 24 year old girls, he probably says: "I can't believe that this be so." real for those 30 seconds, yeah, I can't believe this perfect body and I like it with this wrinkled sack of rocks that he has for a body, he can have sex with this beautiful, perfect specimen of a female human being and then she says, buy me things and he says, God, this is all you have to do.

Make me famous, yeah, it worked really well. You already know the grotto. In the end it seemed like it was quite dirty. I went there and actually did marijuana. policy project uh thing there once and uh of course it sounds like a lot of politics it sounds like a lot of politics but one of the things he did was like we were wandering around it's like an aei summit you know, it's like when I go to Heritage base, it's which sounds like right there, it was a fun night, well, I would remember, you know, there was a lot of pot smoking, it was a pretty blurry night, but I remember thinking, Oh my God, this grotto is so old-fashioned like I had like an old telephone in there and I was wondering how many people here like how strange it is just generations of human waste here, yeah, yeah, and maybe it's not the best of times, you know, it's like a lot of is, it's just what you think it is versus what which is, you know, yeah, well, you know, everything is working out in life, it's, let's work on thinking about how things are instead of how we would like them to be, because accepting reality is it's hard to accept reality is really hard. , yes, that's a problem, it's a problem with advertising, too, right, because advertising shows you and social media, yeah, right, social media is fine, that's another book by Jonathan Height, the pampering of the American mind, which is amazing and This really enlightens and I'm waiting for my kids to read it.

I think maybe this year is a good time for my 12 year old to understand that this is a real problem with kids comparing their lives to these families. oh, here's an example. He wanted to show them something. I haven't actually put this anywhere, but this is really important because it's crazy. I want to show you something. This is something my daughter did. This is. My daughter is ten years old, okay, that's her look, oh my God, that's not a ten year old girl, you're right, she's not 10. She's like a 20 year old girl, right there, how is that possible?

How is that? My 10 year old daughter, oh her. I would watch a makeup tutorial on YouTube or something. Used an app. She used an app that turned her into a woman. How is that? doing that and who does it so if you are a girl and you are overweight or you don't like the structure of your face or you know what bothers you, you have acne and you see a girl like that and she I can't believe I'm graduating from the high school lol what do I do now? And you see this, it's not even her, right?

This is my 10 year old daughter, she doesn't look anything like that, as she showed, she's like daddy, look, this is what I think I'm going, that's not what you look like, I mean what you just did, That's not what you look like, so I asked him to go through this with me and show me what he did. I'm like, show me how you did it. this like what are you doing, she's using some weird app like, for example, it was Khloe Kardashian who changed her whole head, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know this is a recipe for failure, it really is. , is a recipe for failure because you.

We're always going to fall short and it's one thing to aim for the best and it's another thing to aim for the unattainable and then get angry when you can never achieve the unattainable, but it's sick, it's sick because you're these people who don't. You even look like that and then you look at that and you're like, Why don't I look like that? They don't even look like that. The number of people who actually look like that. That image I just showed you is so. small and it's so unattainable and then it has broader social ramifications because then it turns into stories about well, well, well, society doesn't accept me for the way I am, society values ​​that appearance and that means society is flawed. and it's like, well, what's up? um, what if people are flawed society is flawed you're flawed do the best you can everything is flawed everything is flawed but that's not even really what the problem is what the problem is we've created a technology that doesn't we are equipped to manage we are not equipped to navigate social media we did not grow up with it we did not evolve with it this is something that is engaging us now no it's true it's 100 I mean they have created these apps that are specifically designed to be addictive , right, I mean they're specifically designed to take advantage of certain parts of your brain that you really have no control over, that are mostly subconscious and that's a scary thing, for sure, I mean you can be manipulated by those things. you can make people very, very easy, very easily, my children, my children are not getting like that.

Seriously, I won't give them a smartphone until they're probably teenagers and teenagers. Will they get a gun first? Probably yes, I think it's better. Logic, I mean, I'd rather my 13 year old know how to shoot than my 13 year old know how to look up porn. Yes, I think that's good logic. Do you know what it is? Actually, that's a real problem with kids, uh, kids who have instant access. I mean, if you give them a phone, you're basically saying here, little buddy, go people watch, that's the first thing they'll do when you're not around and there are all kinds of studies that show that this leads to a relationship. and sexual insufficiency later and it's not good, it's not good, I mean, this is not an argument for banning pornography or anything like that, but the way it has become integrated into the lives of so many really young people.

I'm talking like teenagers, right? What percentage of American men do you think are addicts?to porn right now? It's a giant, it has to be 50, right, I mean, it has to be an extraordinarily high percentage and none of that is good for relationships between men and women, and then you have this. strange dynamic where there used to be that the feminist movement recognized what social conservatives were doing that this is quite objectifying and not necessarily good for women from time to time it's like now with sex workers, which is strange, it's strange that they went completely in the other direction. and i just thought about what hugh hefner fantasy the women decided that all the women in hugh hefner's mansion were actually super empowered, so it doesn't seem like the most super empowering lifestyle, like you make your decisions, man, it's a country free, but my wife's. a doctor and I feel like that's more empowering than being screwed over by an 80 year old because, you know, pocket change depends on the type of car your mom buys, her mom is a doctor, she can get any car my friend likes. , What happened? what happened that that became empowerment like how did it happen what where did this go I think there was a change and it's a change that has happened throughout American society that went from the notion that men acted like pigs and should stop acting like pigs to the notion that if everyone acted like pigs and then, instead of just saying that there are standards and people don't meet them but they're not really a bad thing, we just decided, you know, we don't want to be hypocrites, we we are undoing of all standards, whatever they are, not everyone should have standards and if you think someone should have standards then you are a hypocrite and when all standards go away then anything goes so I actually agree with the idea original feminist that men were kind. of acting like sexist idiots and they should stop that but the solution to that wasn't right now women should emulate men at their worst and that's a free society or better I just don't think that goes against the free country , do what you want.

On a legislative level, but as a cultural issue, I don't think that leads to much human happiness. I see it as sexual televangelists. That's what I see as pornography. I think you should be allowed to scam people with a real obvious trick like if you're one of those night people who can put your hands on people and bring them back from the dead if you're one of those people I feel like god that's so obvious which is almost like a little trap to have in society to teach people that some people can be deceitful and I feel like really manipulative women who trick old men into marrying them and then take all their money.

I feel like that's, yeah, that's deserved to some extent. You say, "Okay, I sign this, come on, stupid, yeah, you didn't see that coming." This is a great country, I mean, it's really like you can make money doing pretty much anything, like when people say it's hard to make money in this country, there are a lot of people who make money in a lot of different ways, yeah, in this country. country and me. For God's sake, Colin Kaepernick is making millions of dollars by kneeling for the national anthem, he feels, and calling America racist while cashing the check, this is a great damn country, well, now we're getting into the weeds, I just wanted to talk. about girls scamming guys i know you did it but we can go back there man that's cool but the colin kaepernick thing is cool don't you think at least some good has come out of him doing that which raised awareness about the police? brutality, just leave it, put it in the foreground, let people understand that this is a problem, no, no, no, because I think he made a serious mistake, which is that the most positive movements in American social history have been those that don't t kneel before the flag but say in the name of the flag you should do x well then martin luther king said in the name of the flag civil rights are necessary booker t washington said that the name of the flag civil rights are necessary they don't Let's say the American flag represents racism and Jim Crowley then the American flag represents something beyond that living up to the American flag but here's mine vandalizing the American flag is like an endemic of police brutality is, first of all firstly but secondly actually divisive on an issue that doesn't need to be divisive like no one is for police brutality nor should anyone be right here is the counterpoint why vandalizing the american flag kneeling is not that anyhow way just another gesture of respect like you're not doing what everyone wants you to do, which is put your hand over your heart, but you're doing something that's also respectful and silent, you're not standing and waving the American flag, these people you're actually taking it to another level of respect you're kneeling you're bending if you're doing it for something you want to talk about later saying I'm not going to stand up because this is my way of acknowledging the fact that there has been many people who have been abused and killed by the police and this is how I do it, this is how I deal with racist police who kill black people.

I take that moment to kneel and say: How is that so disrespectful? How is that? It's just a silent gesture, it's not uniform, like you're not doing what everyone else is doing, but you're doing something that's very respectful, you're kneeling, well, that's certainly not the way he intended. when it started that way, I mean, if you want to interpret it that way, can you how do you know what its intention is? because he literally talked about it, I mean, he said he wanted to highlight that right, he said, but he said that America is a systemically racist country he worked socks with pictures of police officers as pigs oh yeah, I don't know oh yeah, I mean, colin kaepernick is a terrible spokesperson for this moment like, again, like these, there are so many people who have knelt and don't Don't you believe that?

But if you just look at the gesture itself, isn't it even more respectful to kneel than to stand with your hand over your heart. I mean, then I imagine millions of us would routinely need the American flag. the idea wouldn't be if that's what you had to do if you had the ID, but again this guy decided to stand up and put his hand over his heart, it's really a traditional thing that we're arguing about, well, I mean it's not the The way it was originally expressed has morphed over time to the point where it doesn't necessarily mean what he originally meant.

It's not like he's coming at you while everyone else has their hand over their heart in silence, but he's taking. a knee, he, he didn't say it like fu, I mean, there's no doubt that's what he meant, it's him and it wasn't even for something that really made sense, as understood during the civil rights movement when the people are raising black people. power fest at the olympics to say we're fighting for civil rights jim crow is still running around the country right colin kaepernick taking the needs to symbolize that the us police are systemically brutal and racist is just untrue in the facts and attributing that to The American Flag is actually kind of unpleasant, but he's not a statistician, so he's looking at things like the Eric Gardner case or, you know, which one is terrible.

There are cases that you see like when the guy just sells loose cigarettes and they. you're fighting in the store, it's a terrible case, you see something like that and it motivates you to do that and I know what you're saying, that these are anecdotes and this doesn't encompass the full statistics of police against black men and how what exactly is it? that's happening, but that's not his area of ​​expertise anyway, he has it, so making him a spokesperson for a movement he has no experience in is kind of strange, there are plenty of people talking about this with actual statistics. true, but if you're a famous person and you know a famous person and you decide to take this big position publicly like that after you get benched for Blaine Gabbard, yeah, I have to get Blaine Gabbert benched and take millions of dollars from a major corporation. boy yeah the immortal blaine gabbert the hall of famer blaine gabbert who played like no no no blaine gabbert was an nfl quarterback that sucked i mean he was terrible and they benched Colin Kaepernick for him and it was after he was benched that he started doing it. kneel before the American flag I'm a pretty good sportscaster who doesn't know anything about sports listen people try to talk to me about it if you explain it the way you explain it it means we're not up to the American flag that's why I'm on my knees, I wouldn't be arguing with her, he didn't explain it that way, that's not how it was, that's not how it fell, but it's just him, what do you think of God?

Certain guys who like to cross their arms during the American fight I never promised that, okay, closing your arms, okay, but kneeling is bad, well, no, the way he characterizes kneeling was bad, okay, it's say, but what about other people than Neil if they characterize him differently? a different thing, okay, I mean, what it was originally is what it was, I'm not going to reconsider what he meant at the time, he was the first to do it right and then he made millions of dollars for his bravery again, no I think it takes a lot of courage to be benched by Blaine Gabbert, get on your knees, make millions of dollars with Nike.

I wish he could play, he explains to Gabbard's teammates. The terrible QB rating is all you really need to know. he's not a good quarterback is the answer, so is colin kaepernick, i mean, i don't know as an athlete, he's not good, he's a great athlete, he's just not a very good quarterback, okay, i mean , had a fantastic season, led the 49ers to the Super Bowl and then, like many one-hit wonders in sports, people noticed that in the second season and his qb rating started to decline, but the important thing It's that they made him the spokesperson for a movement where I really don't like the idea that you're going to attribute to all of America a sin that is number one anecdotal in nature and number two cannot be attributed to the most ideals. high in the United States.

You're doing it wrong if you want. fight police brutality say that America is not keeping its promises say that America's promise is as if there is a way to convince every successful social movement in American history they have done this the rights movement homosexuals did this the gay rights movement said listen everyone in America we have been guaranteed a certain level of freedom and we are not guaranteed that level of freedom right, we are not guaranteed the freedom to pursue happiness alone we are asking to leave us alone, leave us alone and it took time but most Americans adopted that perspective.

The same applies to race. The same applies to strong police brutality. If you make an invocation and tell Americans as Americans, I know that in time my fellow Americans will realize that they need to live by the founding principles that founded the country that is being unified, to say that the American flag is inherently not unifying is really bad, like the point where you now have college campuses where, if you fly an American flag, there have been cases where people are asked to remove it because it's too divisive, that seems crazy when you say that It's anecdotal, that you know he's reacting to something that's anecdotal, but there are a lot of those anecdotes and you see them again. and once again the problem is they are so prevalent there are so many videos so this is my friend joe schilling he is a kickboxer and his entire instagram has been dedicated to bad cops for the last few months just showing all these videos of bad cops, I mean, yeah, they're anecdotal, but damn, there's a lot of anecdotes, well, there's 330 million police interactions every year, so yeah, I mean, that was the initial interaction and what was their motivation for doing it. instance of police brutality that led him to do that trying to remember what season he did this this would have been three four years ago so I'm trying to remember I don't think it was the Michael Brown situation because I remember there were protests. in the nfl about michael brown, right, that was actually a bad anecdote like that, it was bad for people to put their hands up, not shoot, that didn't really happen, right, he actually tried to take the cop's gun. the gun went off in the car he accused the police officer through witness testimony all the witnesses were black you know Eric Garner is much cleaner well Eric Garner is cleaner in terms of police brutality he's not super clean in terms of racism or even the cause of death, so this is one of the problems: brutalitypolice, police brutality, sure it's like it's actually like that, you know, I'm warning people now that what happens in the George Floyd case with Derek Calvin should be warned from the beginning.

I want this police officer to be punished. I think everyone wants the police officer to be punished. The defense is going to argue that the police officer is not responsible for George Floyd's death in exactly the same way that the NYPD officers argued that they were not. responsible for Eric Garner's death and the autopsy, the initial autopsy tends to support that, so what that suggests is not that Derek Calvin is good or clean or decent, but if you're going to charge him with murder, it's a tough charge. to formulate. on a legal level, so I warn people about that now because the next move will be, obviously, the system is racist, if Derek Shaved is not convicted of first degree murder, it will be very difficult to convict him.

I think you're charging him second, it's going to be very difficult to convince him to charge for a second right because at first it would mean premeditation, third right, well, originally he was charged third and then Keith Ellison, the AG there elevated, it's a second degree , I think it is very difficult to defend the case for second degree murder. What were you stopping? Jamie, you had something you wanted to say. Yeah, I had the part about when this really started in 2016. He started it. I continue doing. that he started sitting down and people started getting videos of him sitting down when the preseason started, so then he talked to a teammate and they discussed that kneeling was the best thing he could do at the time.

Remember? Do you know what kind of incident? I started it, that's why I was going to play a video, so I had here the first real video of him talking about donating a million dollars to the local community. I think they had guns pointed at him, which is probably what started off well, but here it is. he talks about it and I have been very blessed to be in this position and be able to make the amount of money that I make and I have to help these people I have to help these communities it's not okay that they are not included the position to be successful or have those opportunities to be successful and as far as taking a knee tonight, Eric and I had a long conversation with Nate Boyer, who is a military veterinarian, and we were talking to him about how we can get the message out. trace and not take away from the military, not take away the fight from our country, but keep the focus on what the problems really are and, as we were talking about it, it occurred to us to kneel because there are issues that still need to be addressed and it was also a way to try to show more respect to the men and women who fight for this country, okay, obviously that's better, but that's him, scroll down for a second because I think it's his, it's 2016.

So here's this one, okay, look at the one right below that, okay, this is what I'm talking about. I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag of a country that oppresses black people and people of color. That's the phrase that's there, so it's different than the The video was four or five days after these statements were made, so he said he changed after talking to someone he did well.Okay, so the explanation initial is the one he was talking about, so he reviewed his feelings about it and then, well, that's not much, it started with the police pulling guns on Kaepernick for being one of the only black people in his town, yeah. that seemed super reasonable what he said there about having the second take after talking about the military, yes that's better military than yes, although he recently released a video that sort of goes back to the original explanation suggesting that the United States it's endemically and systemically racist, which is what's a problem that's very popular right now it's good it's very popular yeah, that's the important problem yeah, that's the important problem yeah, how do you think we get back to normal?

How can we find balance? I always expect things to go really far in one direction and then really far in the other direction and somehow I hear, I end up in the same place I always end up, which is that we have to learn to leave each other alone, I'm serious, that's the only way. We go to work because we have to decide that we want to share a country and live together or we have to decide that we don't. Yes, if we want to live together and share a country, then we have to stop making basically crazy demands. about each other and this is what cancel culture is all about, but we have to stop, we have to recognize that people may not agree with you, people may do things differently than you and that is okay, by far that I like.

What is Colin Kaepernick doing? I don't think you should be banned from the NFL if I owned the NFL. By the way, I would hire him in a second. You know, the kind of press I'd get for hiring Colin Kaepernick. I would do a lot of things with colin kaepernick, that's a lot, so how come people aren't doing it? I mean, I guess because he's not a great quarterback, I mean, if I were Tom Brady, I think I would know that he would be receiving. a contract, I also mean there was that whole situation last year with Kaepernick where he wanted to try out for the NFL and then he broke the NFL rules and did the tryouts and wanted to film it a certain way and everything. this kind of thing, but I guess I'd go with the backup quarterback because here's the thing: either you're going to please half the population or you're going to please the other half, or he's awesome, in which case you have a winning team and a great story or they fire each other, in which case half the country applauds, so controversy sells, yes, that's for sure, yes, but how do I mean that this is probably one of the most racially divisive moments in my memory in my life?

I don't remember how things went. everyone's worried that everything is racist, every single thing anyone does, syrup is racist, pancakes are racist, oh it's evolved into everything you saw, the Trader Joe's story you told me before, like this that Trader Joe's is called Trader Joe's Right, which isn't racist, I guess. but apparently they have Mexican products that they called Trader José and some bored person in his basement decided to create a petition that was signed by 2,400 other people on the board about why it shouldn't be called Trader José because it's racist, so apparently it's cultural appropriation if you're Trader Joe's and you make a burrito, but if you call Trader Joe's, then I think they called it exoticizing Mexicans, yeah, it makes them exotic and whatnot, so Trader Joe's lowered it.

Trader Joe's won't do it. use this plus a 17 year old called a 17 year old called Trader Joe's now the chain is removing offensive labels like how many Hispanics were picketing outside Trader Joe's uh now that I saw that Trader Jose Beer right, listen, I'm Italian, TRUE? I think Papa Gino's is you really know, I mean, it's really an Italian that created that company, like how many, how many different, like different pizza companies and all these. I would love to see Italians. I would love to see the racial division of people. who signed this petition I would bet 90 of them are white 90 right white they live in the suburbs they hate their parents yeah what did you say what was the word they used to refer to that? exotic, exotic, they said yes, oh my god, that's so adorable, exotic.

I was talking to you about Rick Bayless, who is a famous Mexican chef, who is a white man who loves Mexican food. I mean, I love the guy. I love listening to his videos. I love Mexican food. So watching this guy's videos is like I love him. Someone who really likes something, you know, it just amuses me even like there was a guy that I used to watch on PBS that would make furniture out of antique tools that I could use like antique, like um uh, different antique saws and chisels. and he made these wooden chairs and tables and furniture correctly, but he looked like this, but actually he was dressed like an old guy and he had an old shop and he made these things and I loved it. looking at him and I don't care about his shitty furniture, I don't care, but what I did care about was the fact that this guy was really passionate about his thing and he was very attractive to me and I feel the same way and I looked at him. this guy, rick bayless, talks about mexican cuisine, he loves it, he travels regularly to mexico and learns how to cook these dishes the traditional way and then talks about it with great passion, but the guy just got it, they were just like you. you're culturally appropriating you shouldn't be doing this you're a white man let me tell you this cultural appropriation in general is a bunch of bullshit and the reason it's a bunch of bullshit is because you know what's best in life, all the things. that they're good at everyone else's culture, like the reason people live in big cities is to go to all the different restaurants of all the different cultures, yeah, and why it's cultural.

I'm so confused as to why cultural appropriation is bad. The best thing that's ever happened to planet Earth, if we were all isolated in our own little culture, you know, how much things would suck, it would be just terrible, so this kind of thing, yeah, this kind of thing is crazy , it drives me crazy. It seems like I grew up teaching taekwondo, which is a Korean martial art. I learned to count in Korean. I had to speak all the techniques in Korean. I hate Koreans clearly. I mean, that's clearly the problem I culturally appropriated from my childhood.

Yes, exactly, this is it. This is all crazy and there is no apparent end to this like there is no limiting principle there is no limit there is no limit I read a column this morning from someone I think it was in the washington post saying that we should keep changing the name of everything like literally forever we should keep changing the name of everything she said, you know this city exists and I think I found a non-offensive name for the city, but if I find something else that was offensive like in three years I should change the name name of the city is not a case we are living in 1984 right, I orwell talked about changing the name of every man people will find a way they will find a way to get angry well here is my controversial statement okay, okay if uh My controversial statement is that if you have to go so far to find things to be offended by, there is not much to be offended about, if you have to go so far that the merchant José offends you, you have nothing to do in your In life there is a demand drama of feeling offended and acting like a victim and they are like they are real victims in this country, yes, and internationally they are real victims, yes, but we don't focus on any of those people, right?

Instead focus on the dumbest nonsense you've ever heard, you know about renaming libraries and listen, I'm fine, you want to move, you want to take a Confederate statute and put up a museum right, I mean, those guys were Some idiots, they are. They're terrible people, okay, go ahead, but you're talking about how we're going to fix the world by renaming Washington DC because Washington was bad. It's like, what did you do lately? did you do washington? he did like i understand we don't they put statues to people for all the bad shit they did martin luther king had a really bad record with ladies okay we don't put statues to martin luther king because we said he was great with women i think everyone was bad women back then everyone was bad but human beings suck okay so get rid of all the statues and recognize human beings obviously for sure and there are gradations of suck.

Remember when they were tearing down the civil war statues and triumphing? all their wisdom was: what are they going to do next? What about Lincoln? What about uh? They're going to defeat George Washington and everyone's like oh, he's so crazy meanwhile, that's exactly what they're doing, that's what they were doing, I mean. in Chicago, well, actually, that was Christopher Columbus, who was legitimately a bad guy. I mean, yeah, everyone was bad too, literally all the people were like slavery, brutal, brutal treatment of people, pretty common. Do you think there is an argument to be made? that maybe we should no longer celebrate those bad people we know what they are now that we know what they really weren't I really think we should talk about bad people like I don't think we're the only good people in history I think they should have a statue of Genghis Khan.

I don't know what Genghis Khan did. That was good and had good results. Well, he opened trade with China. That's fine, if you want to establish a trade charter with China for Genghis Khan. federation 10 of the population, yes, that's right and what he impregnated the other 10 or something, they all literally raped his way through Asia. The point of a Christopher Columbus statue is not all the bad things he did to the Arawaks. The point of a statue of Christopher Columbus is We are glad that Western civilization has arrived in the Western Hemisphere. I agree withthat principle.

I think it's good that Western civilization has come to the Western Hemisphere. Yes, there is a lot of brutality and yes, there was a lot of cruelty. We should talk about all those things, but this notion that the only cruelty that has ever existed in human history came at the behest of Western civilization. That everything was a russoli in paradise before Christopher Columbus arrived. That Christopher Columbus does not deserve a specific statue. Should that argue that everyone was a product of their time and therefore no one deserves a statue or recognize that when there is a statue of Christopher Columbus we are not honoring the way he treated the Arrowwalks no one thought we would put up? a statue to Christopher Columbus because he was so sweet to the natives on the other end of that right than anyone, so what's the purpose of a statue?

When you have a statue of Christopher Columbus, what is the purpose of that statue? Not all of us. We know who he is, we all know what he did, why do we have a huge bronze version of him in the middle of a park? Presumably I mean that the arrival of Western civilization here was a good thing, right? or to have the conversation. I mean, that's it. It's a monument to a historical event, right, or listen, Columbia University is named after Columbus, right, the idea of ​​America as Colombia, right, which was an alternative name for America, it was after Columbus because he was a discoverer.

Well, that's strange, right? We are named after Amerigo Vespucci, who no one knows who that guy is, yeah, he's been lost in the time he's been totally lost, but there's an idea that's settled on us and it's really very irritating to me that we're now. the only good people who have ever lived everyone who came before us was just a horrible person and we are the only good humans we have ever liked isn't the world lucky to have us? We are the only people who have ever lived who are completely sinless and we can look from our position at the top of morality at all those who came before us and say that all those people were trash compared to us, now there were people who were trash compared to us, but I really don't think Washington was among the people who you can say were trash compared to you.

I don't think that you who lived in 1770 are a better person than George Washington. I think you are at the top of the legacy that George Washington built well. I have news for those people. that were trying to break into Amazon, history will look at you as if you were a part of the people in the future who would never vandalize property, would never spray paint things, and would never attack people for filming things with their cell phones. They're going to look back at these violent actions and they're going to look back and they're not going to be kind, they're the same, I mean, it's every generation, hopefully, if society doesn't implode, we don't.

If we don't have a nuclear war, each generation will learn from the mistakes of the past and hopefully improve, that's what we hope and we should be happy to be able to look back at many of these people and say we now understand how deeply flawed they were. and what was wrong with George Washington or what was wrong with Thomas Jefferson. Although I knew that he wrote the declaration of independence, he was a slave owner and this is one of the contradictions of our society and our culture, although we father children. with a slave, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't have to underestimate the evils of human beings to recognize the direction of American history or recognize the good things about people, people are a little more complex than I am .I think we want to think about them, yes, and this is one of the areas where this comes back to the point about the system.

If you recognize that human beings are capable of committing great sins and also capable of doing great things, what you really want is a system that is one of checks and balances that prevents people from gaining too much power to harm other people and which also The thing to recognize is that the defects of human beings are not necessarily the defects of the system and that simply changing the system is not going to change the underlying defects of human beings, which means that you actually have to think carefully about the policies that you are enacting before you clearly implement them.

If you say this, you're not paying attention to what happened at Chazz or Chop because they had Clavó, it was heaven for a short period of time, that's one of my favorite stories from this year because these people basically took over this gigantic chunk from Seattle and said, "Let's show you how it's done." They end up being the police. they want to beat up people who did anything they didn't want them to do, including filming things, they end up seeing, you saw a murder, you saw massive graffiti, you certainly saw borders, there were borders put up, they stopped the cops from coming in, they kept a lot of people came enough journalists the beaten journalists took over private property so they took over private property these are not buildings they built they didn't make a deal they didn't barter they didn't have some kind of a Beautiful mutually beneficial agreement with these people who own these buildings.

No, you, they took over them, they took over them and they started spray painting them. It's crazy, but it shows that you like your childish idea of ​​what you can do, that's better. you don't understand that you don't really understand that the founding fathers really put all these checks and balances in play to prevent someone from abusing power and as much as Trump would like to overcome all that, you see time and Once again, it's a great example in many senses of how this system is really beautifully designed from 300 years ago because the founders didn't understand the problem of human nature, which is that people want power and they want to hurt other people very often and you still need the government to do the things things, but there better be a large scale agreement on the things you want to do or a small majority of people can really hurt a large minority of people, right, this is what they call mob tyranny, right?

They were very afraid of this and that is something worth remembering. You know, tear down that system because you want to build something more beautiful if it looks like chop or chop. That's nothing. What is so idealistic? They have blinders. they have this narrow tunnel vision of what they think this utopian future could be. I think they think that human beings are going to be fundamentally transformed by a different system. Yeah, so look at the problems, one of the biggest problems we have in American politics. It's the myopia with which we look at the United States so when you're dating someone it's very easy to see all the problems with the person you're dating when you're married to someone it's certainly easy for my wife to see all the problems with me and there are many, but when he looks at all the other people, he says, "Okay, well, he has fewer flaws than the others." When you look at the United States, it's very easy to see all the different flaws in the United States because of course they exist, this is a society full of humans, 330 million of them, but when you look abroad and look at other examples of civilizations over time and then you look at the United States, you think maybe the system is not that bad because the fact is that despite all the problems we have, the biggest problems that humanity faces and has faced are not happening in the united states, they are happening everywhere, china right now is sending the weakest muslims on trains after shaving their heads to concentration camps where they are being forcibly sterilized there are real problems on planet earth, that doesn't want say that there are no problems in the United States, but they are not the same in terms of degree and they are not the same in terms of scope and pretend that the The United States system needs to be torn down from within and that if you build a new and beautiful system you will mold humanity in such a way that we are all saints and not sinners.

You're crazy. I agree with you and it's the The situation of the Uyghurs is surprisingly hidden oh my goodness well it just goes to show that when people said they were never full of trash anymore they are just full of trash. I mean, it's not true this is an area where the United States absolutely should be. By assuming a leadership role, it is obvious that China is a nefarious actor. China has been stealing our technology. The Chinese government is attempting to extend its tyrannical rule over Hong Kong. They just subjected 7.5 million people to their direct tyranny in violation of trade and response.

It's basically been silenced from the Western world and did you see that? Did you see that video of the Chinese ambassador to Britain being asked on the BBC about that tape? No, I did not see it. It's fantastic, so the BBC interviewer shows him the tape of people being pushed onto trains and he says what is this and the Chinese ambassador says I can't see it, I'm not sure what you're talking about, he's literally saying that the screen is huge, it's right behind him like he's looking at it. right at that and acts like he can't see it and then starts talking about the natural beauty of the region right, he, he, he won't, he won't address it, he won't, he won't explain what it is and the rest of the world It's like that, you know what this is where you know in the world of sports the whole story that is covered up in the world of sports is the setback that the NBA gave to Daryl Mori the Houston Rockets get stuck for saying free Hong Kong, true, you can't even get anyone in the NBA to condemn China while China subjects a million Uyghurs to abject slavery.

Mark Cuban just had an exchange with Ted Cruz the other day, where was he going? Cruz for something and Cruz just said you know, he questioned Cruz's balls or something and Cruz came back and said well, do you have the balls to condemn China? and Cuban said something like well, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to. getting involved in the internal affairs of another country I thought, well that's not an internal affairs issue, it's one thing to say I don't want to get involved in other countries' tax rates and another thing to shave people's heads and send them away. on trains to concentration camps where you force them to work or sterilize them, that doesn't seem like an internal problem that you can't criticize, really yes, it's an important problem, but China is crazy because there are so, so many businesses.

The interests have this connection with them and a lot of the money they make is because of China, I mean NBA movies. There is so much of our culture that bows to China. We're so connected to them, that's one of the things. What we really discovered with this pandemic is how many things are built there, how much of our medicine, how much we depend on China. It also demonstrates the lie of the idea that if you trade with someone, then they will liberalize it, yes, and that. That was something that was pushed very strongly over the last 30 or 40 years, that is, we will help them economically, we will have mutual trade, it will be good for both of us and they will liberalize because once they realize it is good. to be part of the world economy, then they won't be pirates anymore, they just took all the chips off the table and said no, I'm actually going to double this down and we'll become more tyrannical, not less.

I mean she is the most powerful Chinese leader since Mao. Is incredible. We do not have much time. Your heart opens in a minute. I just want to know what you think will happen in November and what hopes you have for the future. It seems to me that it doesn't matter who wins because the chaos that we are seeing, the civil unrest that we are seeing, will accelerate or spread in one way or another, so I think that if to stay united we have to make a decision: or fundamentally, the American system is good but flawed, we need to work on the flaws within the system or fundamentally the American system sucks and is rooted in slavery and bigotry and we need to tear down the entire system. system, the latter is not really a great recipe, so we can have normal political arguments within the former or the country is toast as to what will happen in November, look right now the polling data says Trump is assassinated, I mean, right now the polling data has Biden up 10 12 points in the polls, but the 2016 polling data didn't say that Hillary was going to sweep the national data.

In the national data they were right, so in the national data, the final political poll average is really clear. It was like three points. Hillary won by three points in the popular vote. The state polls were really very wrong, especially in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. In this case, Trump is losing universally, as in all the swing states, and he is just a stone's throw away in Texas. I've got a lot of ground to make up right now, listen, Biden is running almost the ideal campaign, he's not alive, he's a non-living person and it turns out that beating a dead horse is actually a little difficult, right?

He says that because he's not a threat, he's fundamentally not.-threatening you look at biden and you feel threatened by I don't feel threatened by and the man is not alive you can't threaten me with a corpse certain and such and such Trump, who is innately volatile and looks for something to attack is his worst enemy he is his worst enemy like with hillary the untold story of 2016 is that trump did not win hillary lost people hated hillary and the statistic that proves it is that the people who hated both trump and hillary broke up with trump quite a bit At this moment , people who don't like either Biden or Trump are almost universally going for Biden because Trump is so unlikeable and you know, I've said for a long time that politics is about the art of making it difficult to vote for your opponent. and it's easy to vote for you and Trump is pretty good at number one and he's horrible, he's terrible at number two, so it's easy to vote for him, that's it, it's hard, well said, well said, thank you ben

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It's always a good time. man, I always enjoy seeing you, that's all, bye everyone, amazing, thank you