Tucker Carlson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #468

massive and I think it's good to know that the only thing that makes me angry is when you hear people say, you know you should believe me. I have no obligation to believe anyone. You have the obligation, if you want me to believe you, to prove that what you are saying is correct and I have the right to ask simple and fair questions. As? I know how can I trust that how and if you don't give me those answers then I just don't believe you and I don't have to believe you and if your recourse is that you are a bad person for not doing so.

Believe me, that's my answer, and especially in

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case where my money and potentially my children's lives, that was a cocaine thing, what you just did, yeah, one of these things flew out of me. nose, so from time to time I have to make sure. It works, you have to open it. I agree with that respect, just widen them, there's no shame, God, didn't that feel good? use bad words on your show, but someone put on some House, you know, let's rock, that's what you hear, I don't know what happened, man, what were you listening to?

I think it was probably yeah, some Home, some travel, berries, travel, Willber. maybe a little bit of your private cocaine soundtrack use the trip I have a unique list you know a little maybe some Morgan W different you know eclectic mix I think James Blake maybe what about Dustin a little bag but Billy strings which I've never heard I love Billy's strings but I haven't heard DUS in a bag oh it's a great song and it's about dust and a bag. I thought he was an Irish guy Dustin the Bagy, that's good, I met him, that's good, Dustin, hey, Dustin, mom's mad, I'm sorry.

It's just that, have you ever been to Boston? I've been to Pittsburgh, although Dave Chappelle was just in Boston, man you saw what they did to him there, it's incredible, yeah, do you think it's fair that they do it? Because well, it's not fair, but it's like, I don't know if you're going to listen to Dave Chappelle these days, you know he's going to talk more about a lot of things, you know, Dave Chappelle criticizes Israel so far. crowd at the Boston show oh , criticized Israel, so I didn't know that's exactly what he did. I mean, look, I wasn't there, I only know what I read.

I wasn't there either. I think you made a point that I think is. I don't know if I agree. I don't agree with Dave Trelle on everything, of course, but the only point I read that I did agree with was that the United States is involved in

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, so we have a right to have an opinion on it and that's obviously true and anyone who tells you that you don't have the right to have an opinion or that you should have a specific opinion, yes, they are wrong and I think it's fair to say that, yes, yes, I think people should be able to have their opinions, You know, yeah, because once you don't have your opinion, then it's like how do you get to a revolution?

How do we get to a revolution? because at what point do people just say well yes? Not my life, if you don't want my life to mean anything to me depending on how you set up the environment, at what point you go from there to then. I'm not GNA, I play this game or how a revolution works. starts well they're very worried about that that's why they're imprisoning people um and I think they should be worried that's why they're worried I'd love to be on horseback buddy well but you know how you get your The revolution is not listening to people and not serving their interests and telling them to shut up over and over again insulting them, you know something, you have a legitimate question like why should I support Warth, a race, shut up, you know, calling me what.

You know I have four draft-age kids, why isn't that a fair question for me? Shut up and you do it enough and I have resources because I have a platform, but most people don't do it and if you tell them to shut up. It's enough that we don't care that you care about gas prices in your stupid truck. Well, some people like their vans and use them for work, and if it's not affordable to fill it up, it's a big problem for them, and if you It's like shutting up about climate change, pig, you know your nephew is on fentel and no one doesn't care, if you keep this up long enough you'll make people angry and why wouldn't they actually be radical and I'm so isolated most of the time? because I have enough money and I'm not in debt and my kids are grown and paid for and like me I'm in a much easier position than most people and I feel radical just by looking good so why shouldn't i do it?

They are on the verge of being unreasonable and it doesn't have to be that way, you don't have to solve all people's problems as some problems are very difficult to solve and people know that there is no magic button that you press on that end. inflation or stop the phenomenon and everyone knows that all you need to do is state the fact and do it sincerely, that you care, you recognize that these are big problems, but when the speaker of the House, who I know is a good kind of your state, the new president The Speaker of the House comes in and the first thing he does is issue a statement on behalf of a foreign country, that's the most important thing.

I'm not even against the statement, but I'm just saying: what more important statement does that make? That's him, Mikey Johnson. Yes, and he is the speaker, praise God. Damn Mikey he's a good guy and I'm not against him but I'm just saying if you think the well being of another country is the most important thing to you. of our country's leaders, third in line for the presidency, has lost the plot, son of CU, nothing is more important to our country's leaders than our country and how 350 million people are doing it, so That made me angry and people were like, oh, are you for Hamas?

Of course, I am not pro-Hamas at all. I am for the United States. In fact, you shouldn't even have to answer that question. Are you for Israel or Hamas? I mean, obviously, I'm pro-Israel. Above Hamas, but but. that's irrelevant, I'm pro-America and no one asked me that and I feel deep resentment about that, that this country's concerns are not a concern, right, it seems like our concerns don't matter anymore, which is why it makes me wonder: just a shell company for Israel we are just a shell company for China where are we? we're ok? There are a lot of people who live here who really like it here who were born I love it here well I know you do and I'm just saying it doesn't have to be like this we know there are people there are hundreds of millions of people whose ancestors are buried here and they want to stay here, they don't have another passport and It wouldn't be hard to get them together and just say like you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're this, you're that, but we're all Americans and let's have a conversation about what's best for our country. people everywhere say that's right, those are the right conversations, we may not even agree, but that's the conversation we should be having and if you don't do that, I'm just telling you that you're playing with fire, people are crazy and I am totally convinced that the mass shootings that we are seeing and the massive increase in mental illness that we are seeing that is leading to mass shootings are manifestations of the frustration and hopelessness that people feel when they realize that Their leaders don't care.

I think I can't prove it, yes, but I believe it because I live in a place with many of you know people who are not succeeding in the modern world and they are good people and they have skills. and they've been here, their families have been here for hundreds of years. We should worry about them. I agree, but yes, I think our company, our country, has been compromised by people who don't care and see no value in it. It feels like it's just a bottom line or it's about I don't know some goal that seems so wrong to me that I can't even say that you wouldn't have feelings like when you're like that Sackler family that's just let them watch their kids die. people, you can just make money with a pill, who cares? sometimes, um, some of that or why would people think that selling someone to such a point where they have no purpose where hope is taken away, you know, we had a guy here talking about this guy, John Veri. and it was really interesting this guy is from Canada and he just talks about meaning and when people don't have something like um when they don't feel supported I'm going to do it but if they don't.

They don't feel like they're part of a group or they don't feel like they're totally isolated from other people and just floating around atomized and alone, that drives them crazy, right, you go crazy, yeah, put solar confinement, so you. Basically, it took a lot of America by taking away things that brought us together and some of those things were smaller towns, like businesses in small towns, things that made people feel valuable, you know, my dad went to a um, You know, my father, his family. They were mahogany farmers, they made lumber, so I think if your father went to the forest in your town or any part of a company, they built tables, they were literally mahogany farmers, yeah, and you had one table at home and then it was the your father's company. table like we eat our families, we build it in our city, there is a physical connection between work and reward and all the

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retical, digital and Zoom calls and yeah, yeah, now it's like you want to eat at this Chipotle restaurant , you know where We're selling gas and burritos and you know, and it's like that's a thing, but that's a city hall of many, now everything has just been a Dollar General in most cities and that's what it is now, you know it's like we've just killed a lot of that, you know, the interesting thing is you go through there.

I like to hunt and fish, so I've been to a lot of small towns in America because that's where the hunting and fishing is, yeah, and some of that. Of these towns and especially the county seats in the rural towns have beautiful country houses, beautiful as if someone had spent a lot of money and a lot of time to make a beautiful public building, one of those that has not been built since the second world war , that's true. probably since the '30s, since the depression, wow, your state, especially, has some great public architecture in Louisiana, none of that has been built since Huie Long was murdered.

Well then why is that and has it been replaced by disposable dollar crap? store I'm sorry to point them out, but they are a symbol of that. It's so intentionally ugly. Box stores are so ugly that you think there has to be a purpose behind them. You know that architecture exists for a reason. You are sending a message when you build a building when you build anything and the message from the box stores and the dollar stores and the DMV public is that you mean nothing, we are not going to spend time and energy trying to elevate you or please your senses or build something beautiful.

It's ugly on purpose to let you know that you don't mean anything, you don't count, shut up and obey, you are actually an animal and I feel like there is something very deep in that message that it sends and everyone gets the message whether they know it. Whether or not you go to a DMV, what does it tell you? wait your turn, wait for your number and then some sullen, low IQ person like you, it's like I'm a Hundred of this country, why do I even have to have a driver's license, give me my papers and let me get out of here?

How dare you talk to me like that but you can't because she's in charge? the whole experience is designed to degrade you and make you less powerful to take away your self respect, uh I'm really upset about that, oh the DMV is almost like they have a line, if you come out you can go to the front of the line row, you know I would be willing to do that, yeah, but that's the kind of thing I'm saying. It's like they want to compromise who you are or what you are, but look, okay, the false ceiling, like there's no reason to have lighting like that, it doesn't cost any more, maybe put in some lamps or sconces or something.

There is nothing more oppressive than a suspended ceiling with fluorescent lighting and there is no reason to have it and it is all made of vinyl and metal. There is not a single natural material there. Why not have wooden benches? How much would that cost at train stations? They have them but they don't because the message is that all this shit can be thrown away, it will be in a landfill in 5 years and so will you. All of this is degrading to the citizen and it is not an accident that we have been doing that. since the day we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, that has been true since the end of the second.

I mean, I have a lot of

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ries about it. You know, I have no evidence to support any of my theories, so I should just say that I think dropping the atomic bomb on Japan convinced the US government and Western leaders in general that they were God, that they had the power to destroy entire cities. The new nuclear energy, when used as a weapon, is the most powerful tool ever created by man. MH and gave people the impression. who were God and lost all humility and all love for their fellow citizens they lost love for their fellow citizens that is what our architecture transmits post-war architecture I don't love you I don't care about theis on your side who is not a threat who is not where things are going people are not designed for that people can't handle chaos and they go crazy and I just, like I said, I had a Try this a couple of times , but enough to learn that chaos is the only thing to avoid because that's when people turn into animals and really start behaving in ways that are inconceivable to civilize people.

Oh, we'll turn into medium monkeys real quick. or we're gonna like it in minutes, yeah, oh yeah, bro, I was on Dave and Busters once, right, I'm not even kidding, the power goes out, dude, did you eat anyone, bro, it was crazy for everyone in that guy, people were hitting there? It was complete darkness, right, and people, yeah, you were feeling around for whatever, birthday cake or whatever, you know you didn't even know what's going on, yeah, but that was crazy, that's Dave and Busters . I know you. I know, so what are your plans now? As you have already done them.

Are you on Twitter. You are in a free space as much as we are in today's society. You are in a free space for freedom of expression. What else do you do? Like we have some plans, I mean some of them, I mean, if I'm honest, it includes territorial expansion, we're going to invade Canada, oh man, they'll just hit, there won't be a pillow fight, you'll take them in a second, um, no , I mean, I, I. I just want to continue doing what we're doing, which is just, you know, saying things that can't be said in other places, bringing facts that maybe people haven't heard in a spirit of humility, you know, if I'm going through it . my whole life in Washington, most of 35 years, I'm very, I know I can't believe it, but you know what I think a lot of people were glad that someone was there, you know, it's nice to see people coming out. of a space because that's when you're not as engaged when people don't seem as engaged it's totally true no it's totally true but I didn't realize how controlled my brain was when I was in it because you're not right but um , but anyway, I have been around many people who set out grandiose plans: I am going to change the world and those people invariably 100% of the time make the world worse.

You know, approach each task with knowledge. I have no real idea what I'm doing. I don't know the long term consequences of this. You probably won't be able to fix all the problems. I will just humbly do my best. I know we have to make things a little better, that's my goal, to make things a little better, but anyone who tells you if we pass this legislation we're going to fix everything we're going to fix health care forever Barack Obama said in 2010, as soon as like he said I was like I don't even know much about healthcare.

I'm no expert, but it was like Second, you're telling me you're going to fix something as complicated as the entire US economy in a single piece of legislation. Yes, because you're lying, actually, because that's impossible and it turned out, of course, they made it worse. I don't want to do that, I don't even have the power to do that, but I just want you to know that I just want to tell the truth and do it without being told not to do it and I think we can and Tucker on X is his show, right, and you , guys, do you believe?

Do you think you would ever do a show with a partner? Do you think that or something like that? I'm not going to give you an idea. I'm just saying, because that's usually the predecessor. It's a matter of someone trying to propose an idea to you, but do you think about that kind of thing? Have? Well, I mean, I have a million people I'd like to work with. I mean, you know, I like interviewing people. a lot and I really try to be quiet while I'm interviewing them because I'm obviously a compulsive talker, but I'd like a break from that where I can just listen, so I like, we'll have a lot of people and We have and we'll have a lot of returning guests, but yeah, we have all.

We're making a lot of documentaries and doing stuff like that, um, so it's like a production company, more like, are you expanding in that sense? M, yeah, like um, what? is that a bapiro has an outkick is a company is a company daily cable I don't know what outkick is I have a friend who, um, who works there outkick I think it was football and then, uh, okay, Jason still does it Jason work There, do you know Jason Whitlock? Yes, I know Jason Whitlock. I met him once. I love Jason Whitlock. He's a very nice guy.

He seemed very friendly. I couldn't talk much with him. He's a great guy and very deep. He's not a superficial person at all, he's the kind of person that when you talk to him, Whitlock, oh there he is, there he is Whitlock will say things and you say, wait, I'm sorry, I just want to have a super. Superficial conversation like how are you? I'm cool, how are you? and he will say that I am superficial in some ways and he will like it, he won't, he doesn't think like that or talk like that, he will order I like the super heavy stuff out there and it's cool, it would be interesting.

Sometimes I want to have deeper conversations with people, but I think I'm afraid to go into them or I don't know how to do it without seeming like I'm being nosy or I don't know with him you don't have to worry because he does it, he's okay with that. yeah well he just goes there immediately goes there um I like that about him do they ever ask you? and then we'll wrap up because I know you've been here for a while and thank you for your time. I love it. Do you ever get asked to bring people to Twitter like there's no movement?

Because I know John Stewart just had a program with Apple, right? He recently he canceled, yes, he had a program with Apple. John Stewart. John Stewart, the Daily Show guy from The Daily Show. John Stewart's program at Apple is ending Mr. Stewart and, I'm sorry, Apple is parting ways because of creative differences I didn't even know he had a program at Apple, so it shows you what I know, people in the know, but They had a disagreement about the episodes, the type of episodes I wanted to do, I wanted to do episodes on Can we turn it down?

According to reporter Hol, head of IT decisions. In the end, Apple approached Stuart directly and expressed its need for the host and his team to be aligned with the company's views on the topics discussed rather than aligning when Apple threatened to cancel. Stuart reportedly decided to walk. Stuart intended discussions about artificial intelligence and China to be a big concern for Apple. Why would they care if he had episodes like that? I mean, we're assuming that's true. I hope it's true. That's a noble reason to Quit, you know, if you think there's something really important that you want to cover and your boss says no, that's a good reason to quit, so I hope that's the case.

There was another time you almost quit before you got fired. I mean, I didn't. I even know that program existed, so I don't think it was doing well. I don't think so, yeah, um, and Stuart is obviously a talented guy. I met him, you know, yeah, he's kind of beloved 25 years ago, yeah, I always thought he was. talented, he definitely did what I think everyone does at some point and it's important to get out of that and start confusing yourself with a messianic figure and just say no I'm just a guy like I'm very important and I've done it so I've Been there, oh yeah, your ego is the first thing to grow 100%.

And it's very scary, you say: Does God have a special reason for me? No, you will humiliate yourself, you will humiliate yourself. and you will destroy yourself, you will lose the respect of your wife and your friends if you don't back away from that yes and remember that I am a and if you don't believe it the next time you get out of the shower walk in front of the mirror and look at yourself, look at yourself and say: "I am really impressive, no, no, really, oh, yes, yes, I saw it this morning, yes, what do you think?", yes, yes, yes, so yes, exactly, so it's important to do that.

You know what I mean, that will keep you from thinking you're the Messiah. I don't think he has mirrors in his house. um any other questions about that or anything you'd like to talk about. You don't, it's okay, I know you share everything on your own. shows why just share everything in general yeah yeah I really enjoyed it yeah man it was a lot of fun I had a great time yeah me too I appreciate it you're the only person I've ever talked to. the last one, probably, who one of my children will be impressed by, they are not impressed at all, yes, they are impressed by you.

I don't know why you obviously have some kind of weird magical power over younger people. I don't know and I don't know anything about that, you don't abuse that, well, no, that's fine, well, they're just not going to start a Children's Crusade or anything, they came after our industry a couple of years ago, you know Oh. I didn't mean anything creepy, okay, no, yes, yes, yes, and I only know grown women and um, oh, old ladies like you, no, I only know people who are legally adults, well, of course, okay, That's all I'm saying, buddy, because yeah.

Immediately as you know, I remember the New York Times kind of chased half of our industry, you know, like you noticed. I noticed, yeah, just these vague things that come up and I think there are a lot of creepy comedians, but not as many as there are. in journalism yeah there are some creatures in journalism dude what happened remember the guy who got screwed in the zoom meeting and then they brought him back in for the interview and he sat there and said oh they cut your beating and a zoom interview, I mean. it just shows you that his name is Jeff Tubin and you don't know he's a stupid guy, I actually know him and I've worked with him, but he's, oh yeah, but his desire to be on television trumps everything else, oh, like If I told you, you know?

If that happened, you'd say you know what I'm thinking. I'll do something. You know what I mean. I'll find something. I know I've had problems with that. Yes, well, you, but you said. you have them under control you are not compulsive no, I am doing very well just habitual but it is not a problem yes only on a full moon, but imagine if you are Jeff Tubin and you sit there with this Fox anchor and talk about that. Like there's no shame you can't take no there's no you won't eat just to be on TV and I obviously had no respect for Jeff Tubin anyway because I know him um but I had even less uh after that I mean that was weird how God will give you your gifts you don't know what they're going to be wrapped in it's like everyone wants to be in front of the camera I know and like there you have to want the right things you know what I mean I think You have to be very specific with God , brother, because he is busy.

I totally agree and the last thing I'll say is that I think it's very important if you're publicly humiliated and I've certainly been and he too, of course, can be a great That's a great thing, yes, and you should treat it that way and be grateful for it. You know this keeps me from becoming a worse person than I otherwise might have been. There is nothing worse than a man who spent his entire adult life on him. succeed and never be humiliated they become unbearable they talk only about themselves they can't stand to listen to you every time you speak they hold their breath until you stop so they can start again they become true narcissists and I only hope Jeff Tubin, who is really a, in I'm actually just saying, um, I don't know him, but I know him, so I mean it's like he is, but he may be less so now, yes, actually, and I certainly have.

It's been a lot, so I'm not judging you know, but I do, so I have high hopes for him, yeah, he got caught hitting himself, there's a big potential upside, oh yeah, dude, I mean, there definitely isn't, yeah, that guy definitely likes to masturbate, but um, yeah. Anyway, uh tuger Carlson, thanks a lot buddy, it was interesting and I really appreciate your time, I really did and thanks for the Zen, yeah, you bet bro, I might do one later. See, now I'm just floating in the breeze. I feel like I'm falling like these leaves I must be a Keystone oh but when I hit that ground I'll share this piece of my life found I can feel it in my bones but it's going to take