D.L. Hughley Talks Katt Williams, Beef With Mo'Nique, Being Doxxed By Kanye West, And Diddy Lawsuits

cover your story your story will be the cover Jason, okay, welcome back to all new episodes of the Jason Lee show, okay, I know I say this a couple of times since doing the show, that I'm completely honored to have a guest here, but I really am this person, he is someone who I have watched for years, like all of you, who yes, we know he is a king of comedy, yes, we know he is hilarious and yes, we know he will read them and He'll burn the internet if you try it, it's not because he likes the color red all the time, it's because he's smart.

Please welcome someone I respect very much. I've been trying to get into my orbit for a minute. DL hugley, so that's very impressive. man, thanks, you got a whole flow and white people come now, no, yeah, we have the biggest space in the building, you know, and yeah, this is a black-owned business. I have to tell you, you own those white people. Yeah this is the these are the closest repairs I need I swear to God okay wait we haven't been able to start the show fast enough because dl's probably been here for like 30 minutes in and out of the green room and we continue to start small conversations about everything from politics to self-improvement.

The hood to buy, buy back the block and be Kanye West leaders, there are many places to start, but first I have to start by giving away flowers on camera because, like I've been in my appearance and like I've been working and, as you know, when you start your thing and you try to figure it out, you have a lot of energy coming to you and then when you start to explode, it really starts to come. You've always been watching from a distance and liking and commenting actually well, you know why yeah, I don't know why, but I want to thank you because it means a lot to me because I don't like this interview format, I think, uh , but I think you've done a good job of taking something that can be potentially disruptive and doing a um uh I think uh curating an interview that people are proud of and in the end you want to be proud of the things that you say or at least be clear .

Like I can't be proud, I want to at least be able to say that I said it and that's why I've watched you for a long time and that seems to be the hallmark of what it is. I see that yes, thank you. I appreciate that it means a lot, you know, coming from someone who's been a staple in the culture, a staple in our home, a staple in our lives for a long time and you know there's no real road map to getting it right. , you have to solve it. I've committed many errors. I'm going to make more mistakes.

I just ran for city council, so I'm

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very careful, which is interesting to me. Do you think so? I think most people I see running for something I've done it from a perspective of what's in it for them um is there's a level of altruism that used to be associated with politics like it took me 386 years to become a member of Omega. and once because I always wanted to be useful. I had always seen that they were immersed in all aspects of our community. I've always been intrigued by the way they carry themselves and what they value, so for me to finally become a member.

It was very important for me. I've seen you do the same thing in terms of service because I had already accomplished enough, so there's nothing I need from it, that organization, other than

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of service, there's nothing you need from the city of values ​​and in the apparatus political in addition to being of service now you you you don't have to do it, but wanting to do something is, I think, the more it's the Lynch type of pin of what uh what determines whether you can be successful or not. Only when I see a young person who comes from a background who has been successful and wants to return to politics in the political arena, that tells me a lot. about who i like when you keep calling me young can people around here start calling me young?

I am 40 years old. This year I will be 47. I am older. I'm turning 60 on Wednesday, which is crazy. for 60 leave it for 60 okay, you know what you know when I saw it said you were 60 I want what are your keys to looking good and being healthy and looking vibrant and living a vibrant life because 60 me? I think we are redefining what it is like to grow old I am 46 47 you will be 60 like how no I never lie to myself I am I don't like it I think I have a relationship with people where they know exactly who I am and I think that if you changed your personality and your face for each environment , if you were different in all these circumstances, I think it ages you, I think you're referring to the pressure of having a I think people lie to people, the pressure. of being this and that, I think that when you know who you are, there is no you, you are never surprised.

I have the opportunity to surprise you, but I think internally there is a metric set for you that makes you feel connected and vibrant, but did you do it? I always have that because that takes courage too no, when I was a kid, I'll never forget this, I was a kid, I went to Avalon Gardens Primary School and there was a C, you know, when we were gr, they didn't have their modern Advan. So he had crutches with braces and I remember they had gone into the bathroom and jammed it and threw it on the floor and I walked in and he was covered in all this bull and he said man can you help me? and I said man, if I, if I help you, then they will be the ones that stay with me.

I think about that, all of that is a level of cowardice that the man I am now cannot reconcile what degree that was, although fourth. third, okay, okay, but still it is, it's a template, but remember. I remember it every day, not obviously not every day, but often when I'm in situations where I want to back away, I think about this kid asking me for help and all that. He cost me like that, he would have cost me anything, but I was so afraid of what might happen that I didn't act and that's a level of cowardice and you can't call it anything else, um, that I've had to deal with. in my life that boys are the way I see things and move, but when did you realize that then you had found the courage because I believe that when you stand when you stand what you believe is what is what I think that's how I got into this from the beginning because it makes life so much easier, but I do remember, I remember seventh grade when I got mugged and I remember being nervous about going to school, but then I remember I was in ninth grade. degree I said I was going to fight everyone every day no matter what and after that I never worried about it when did you find the courage to just stand up, stand up in everything?

I'm afraid all the time, I'm still afraid of everything. about so many things no way, I'm afraid all the time is that the guy says, are you real? No, no, come on, now you don't have that, oh D, sorry, we didn't get something. time and and I think that that, but it's that every time I'm afraid it's a reminder of a moment where I let fear rule me, I let it, I let it impact me in a way that still worries me when I and I. m and I'll be a 60 year old man okay but I don't see anyone watching right now because I know my people's post that no one believes that about you yeah but what are you afraid of everything? people will think or I'll be able to make you L there's no way you'll think I do I think, but I'm more ashamed, I'm afraid that it's two things that are my guiding principles.

I'm afraid of what I'll think. of myself and I'm afraid of what my dead father thinks of me like some people have these religious epiphanies well they're guided by this higher principle mine was Charles hugley like he'd be proud of me if he thought I was brave or if he then me and he's not here obviously, but that's my metric and if I'm afraid and I do something then I say this is what you're supposed to do, the most dangerous thing for us as a people are the facts of comfort. because com Comfort breathes complacency, it does, it is not to raise as I see, for example, DJ KH.

I don't have a problem with any man who has been very successful, uh, having fun, but you have to scam and I don't. I know what's in someone's heart. I know what's in your post. I don't know what's in your head. I know it's on your timeline. So I'll see you praising God when you hit a shot, but I'll watch a seven-year-old movie. -old Palestinian boy who is praying to God for the strength to bear that his family had been killed. I'll watch you pray that you don't hit a bunker and then I'll watch a Palestinian family pray that they can find one when you, when you and and you know we're all people and everyone can do what they can, but when I see you, grown men They carry so you don't get on the Jordans, we are used to them transporting Palestinians, they are simply not alive, they are dead and they don't have shoes, they don't even have feet, so for me you have gone from DJ K to DJ Callas , you can't be so oblivious as to forget that the images you are portraying have an equal and opposite effect and what it tells people is that someone who looks like them doesn't care, why should they?

So you said that you get nervous or scared, but you still said something that no one in the industry has said and I saw. In the video you're talking about, I saw DJ Khaled's cousin, FY, who I know, who lived in Miami, moved to the United Arab Emirates and now lives in Dubai. He is a friend of mine. He's working hard there to uplift the community there, but. Now he is every day begging for help for the Palestinians and now he has even called DJ Ki because you know what you don't see, why where do you get the courage to do that if not even the courage is what you see?

Look, we had campaigns. uh uh, you know, if you see it, say it. I don't hold a grudge against anyone for enjoying crazy amounts of success, but you can't blindly, you have people, your chef, making you a meal and people are dying. It seems intentionally obtuse. It seems intentionally obtuse. You can't tell me you don't understand the impact and importance. You know how things change because people see someone do something they respect? The only reason black and brown people exist and people listen to us is because we can run. jumping, singing, dancing, making people laugh or making even us laugh, we are a different thing, I think we, but the people who have moved the needle have been through music and athletics, Muhammad Ali changed the world.

LeBron is having a lot. to change world music, mtown is the AR of the 60s, all those people who make music, you don't have to say anything, you can talk with your music, but when you don't realize it, when you act without realizing it, it tells them to everyone else it's not a Big Deal because this is great, but it also goes back to I was having a conversation earlier with Kathern Brutin from BMI and I told her that when she was asking what motivates you to come back and do for your community what I have done.

For mine, I said because we both understand the sense of service of being connected to our community and that it is bigger than us that God has given us these platforms to continue to be the bridge for people who can't find their bridge and I just can't . I don't understand the disconnect because it's almost like the new slave trade or the new slavery system is like corporations just pour a bunch of money into tap dancing people because it's also excess, yeah, we love excess, we love excess. love it, like when Donald Trump makes tennis shoes and knows that it will appeal to certain people.

He made them gold and made them red on the bottom. The same people who brag about how he gave them a big check to get them to vote for him. That attracted them. He knows that he knows. who he's talking to MH he knows who he's talking to, but then why are we kidding? I don't think we'll see it, no, but, but, this is what doesn't belong to me. I am prepared to own all the bad things we have. do if I equally own the good things we do we will own doing some but we don't own Obama we don't own our luminaries we don't own our academics I am an individual who could I can look at things in a fairly sober and direct way , I'm proud of us, like when I hear people say uh uh uh, I'm proud of what politically black women have done, so we know that 90% of 90% of black women vote Democratic.

They are the most educated, the most entrepreneurial, the most upwardly mobile. More black women have been appointed to the appeals court than in this Administration at any time in history. Every other Administration has been lifted out of poverty thanks to the Child Welfare Act, they have a Supreme Court Justice and they have a Vice President, what do black men have? Nobody sits in the supreme courts and fights for our causes and it's because they are motivated by action and we are motivated by grievance, what didn't they do? Get past us now I don't want that to be the case I'm just as jealous that they did it but I'd be a fool not to acknowledge what they did and try to learn from So what do you think?

Going back to the DJ K part, what do you think is the distraction of him in the whole setup? All I can, I can't, and I said this again, I don't know what's in your head or your heart. I know it's on your timeline and your timeline tells meIt says what you want it to know, it says what you want to see, but do you think that people in the culture and in our business are conditioned to be afraid to come out and stand up for what we believe? they believe in no, I think it's worse, there are more aties than that, they think it's cool, they really think that, being oblivious, there is nothing more American than being excessively overweight and oblivious nothing intentionally nothing even intentional is a product of America you know that you have arrived when you are overweight you don't know it and you don't care there is nothing more American than that nothing before we even left here I got a call from the White House and I had the audacity to look at the deal and say: you know so and so so from the wild house, of course he did?, and they got on the phone and then I heard her trying to tell him about Joe B and I I think Joe Biden has done a lot for the country.

I don't think he did a great job telling the story or using Absol, we have no disagreement. Okay, I personally like KLA Harris. I think he has a horrible problem connecting. to culture and communication that is not true at all, but I agree with your general point behind the scenes. I don't think even that, you're too young, okay, I'm not very young, okay, but I'm just in context, but let me finish the part. I like KLA privately, but I feel like I think there's an undue burden. We did a story in Hollywood saying how black people have been tricked into uh uh uh basically not supporting Kamla Harris.

I know KLA from when she was, you know, state or whatever. of course, and when she was in the senate we loved her when she was district attorney we hated her and now she's vice president we think she should be president we know it's unfair how they treat her, but I feel like when you're the first woman and first black there's an expectation of you, you know, connect, unrealistic, it's not realistic, she's still the vice president of the United States of America, yeah, do you know why you get to be the vice president of the United States of America because you give her something? me, but you don't threaten me and the moment you threaten me you are no longer the vice president again Mike Pil will not be the vice president again, right?

He had to do it. I had dinner with Kamla and I was angry at her for what was happening in Gaza and I had the opportunity to say what I say, the other is that I grew up in California, I saw the three strikes law decimate my community, she didn't exactly create that, They blamed her for that, exactly, when I talk to her I had to tell her that I'm sorry for appropriating a narrative, you know, which made me more sad and angry. I believe what I was told about black women and I have known black women my entire life.

Did I let them tell me what I know? I had to tell AP that she will tell him. I apologize and am committed to making sure people understand that this narrative being forced upon them is one that I believe is not true. that the only thing I have noticed about black women and have known about them is that they are never historically wrong mhm, black women have never been wrong very rarely and I can't think of any time in history where they have been in the wrong side of history now. Even doing the St. I'm speaking as a collective.

I just had to throw. I'm not saying BR don't go crazy. I'm speaking as a collective. When they make a decision, yes, they are there because they are. If I like it and I don't like it, this is true. I'm a chauvinist, but the fact that these girls are able to do it I've never seen before. You said girls irritate me and everything is inspiring, yes? Yes, yes, I am like you, how you, how you are doing something. I've never seen them before, yeah, and I do like us, they're not loud, they're not saber-rattling, they're not Bell Co, they just like it.

Do this or this is not going to happen well, so I have to do it. I have to see and say out loud what I see. Listen to me. Let me be very clear. I like Kamla personally. I know. I always tell my friends they're like, "Oh, she closed." everyone no if whoever said don't drive on a 25 50 and a 25 you don't like them but the cop who pulled you over for driving 50 is not the person you should be mad at so we know Pete Wilson if he really pays attention who created we are so ready to believe the worst about us made so ready to believe the work like every time I hear one more person tell me crime black onbl yes crime is about proximity yes it was it was it was a frame cor Cor coined phrase of the Chicago defender in 1970 and everyone has co-opted it.

Tell me that you know that we are like crabs in the bucket. The only part par excellence that they omit is that crabs do not belong in a bucket, right? Nothing was ever that. In these circumstances in a limited space with all these people fighting for resources I would do exactly the same thing it is no different from what happens in your garden you have a garden full of roses and a garden full of weeds and the weeds will drown The Roses are gone not because they hate plants, yes, it's because we are fighting for resources, yes, and when they attribute a particular moral deficit to us and we buy into it, it lends credence to the notion of who we are. no more no less than anyone and when I see people like Kanye who gleefully likes the Royals in front of white people, I have disdain for that, I won't do it BBY, so I was media head for Kanye West and in the middle of that . work, DL, there was all this back and forth online, you had a lot to say and I didn't know I was wearing red today in honor of DL, this isn't because I'm running for city council and they're telling me I'm leaving, this It's because I'm in the presence of someone from the community, so I hope they know you when I was working with Kanye, one of the things I initially thought was cool.

I know I'm grounded. I know where I come from, I know what I stand for and what I believe in and I just have to believe someone who God has given so much privilege in terms of cultural influence somewhere underneath everything we've been seeing with the red hat. slaverys of choice there has to be someone I could reach out to and I tried and I think in the midst of that there were a lot of yes men around her, but you were someone who was able to break through that screaming the Why did you choose to do that?

First of all, it was to me that I think the first thing he did when he said that slavery was a choice that depended on the millions and millions of people who died so we could be here and I'm not saying I didn't get the bigger point, but We don't live in a world of nuances, we live in a world of blacks and whites and those blacks, those men took that phrase and brought it to these conservative platforms. and he said even he knows can't you do that in my opinion and what he did to Kim?

I have no connection with her. I don't know her. You do not know. I'm not. I'm not a particular fan, but when you stalk a woman and threaten another person, I have daughters. If you did it to my daughters, you'd have to see me about it. All of us have been left by women who left us. Well, you're gay. They all left, I left all of you, they left by the way, they told me it was gay for me to sit out of this straw, so I'm going to be drinking this gay straw all the time. show and I'm not going to lie every time I do it.

You see, it would be like he's drinking when he's not looking because I don't want it to be weird when you see a guy like what he was. You say goodbye, but I'm so gay. I wonder why we have an orange straw. You know, why can't we have a matching red straw? You know what I appreciate most about you. I have met very few people. that they feel comfortable in their own skin, yeah, and I think the reason why people, if you look at what happened to the lbgt QX community, was not marching and fighting, but people saw them as Will, Grace, Glee and The Ellen.

They showed that they were, I know this, yes, and then they became human to us, but that was all white now black. What television does is you have to have a purse and heels, makeup and you have to be like Billy Porter with a fucking chandelier in your face, but Even with that, even with that, and I and I don't disagree, but even with that, most people know gays, uh, most whites know gays, most blacks, most whites don't know blacks, right, so no there's a connection to them so we're not as human as the experiences that they had so I think at best the best thing you can do is convince people that you're human when George Floyd was murdered in front of our own eyes.

America could not deny that this was a human being and our request is that people see us as human, not better or worse, not morally bankrupt, not human KES or Queens, but don't you want to go back to AA Harris when he says? as a black vice president or the first black vice president, that America is not racist when you see that when you see George Floyd function as what he is, but when you see Floy George Floyd whose life is taken by a white police officer in front of him world sees it and then you have the black vice president saying it's not racist, we know what it's like almost like McDonald's and you own a franchise and you want to make your own sauce when you're the vice president or a political official. you have to do with the kitchen baby you can't just make your own recipe own a franchise and see if you can do whatever you want M the presidency the political apparatus is a franchise this is what we do we do this Here do you follow the recipe or not? you do, but you can't prepare the food with the same recipe but you say the sauce doesn't taste good?

You can but you can't be re-elected properly, so that's the decision. You have to say yes, obviously, let's be clear: first Obama was against gay marriage, then he was for it, then the White House was a rainbow. I've never seen anything like it, so the interesting thing is that you can believe what you believe. I'm not going to say it because every first term of President Gold is a second term. Well when Trayvon Martin died he said if he had a son he would look like Trayvon but he didn't say he died because he was black exactly yeah but but that's where people like you and me come in mhm we put dots in the eyes and we crossed the tea, there are people who are not in the business of that, it is not and I cannot envy them for their professional career or their vocation. but I won't do it, what I won't do is punish them because I understand that what they are doing when people say they hate politics, everything we have achieved or even not achieved has been through the actions of the political apparatus.

It's not marching, you don't march so that people feel good, you march so that people are motivated to act politically, so I think I'm sober and lucid enough to understand the dynamics that are at play, so when Kanye says George Floyd died like a festa and then he lines up with uh Candace Owens I mean that was for me like the moment of bouncing like right before, that was right before, but he had that, that's what I don't like Kanye before that he didn't like Jews. I always knew he bothered me. the fact that no one ever asked me how racist they called it when it was just us, well they called who, how racist they thought it was racist when it was just us, when you said you talked about Raaz Rosa Parks and her and denigrated her, You know? slave who had a choice and all the other things he said and wore the red hat and all that, so they didn't think it was a big deal because it was transactional, it wasn't like that, it wasn't walking down the street all of a sudden when he said no they liked it, now let's cancel it and first, I'm not in favor of canceling anyone, right?

I don't think you know either and first of all, it's UNC, even if they never bought another shoe, he's going to do some dope. ass music, yes, and that is the attraction of people who have so much talent, this is what talent would do to the Minister of Music in heaven if you believe that, when reading the Bible, he was the most beautiful and talented angel that exists mhm and he was so beautiful and talented. He talked to other angels to attack God, he said: you know what we can do if we can take the sky, so if you can make the angels believe that they can take the sky, then you believe because they have talent, he can make others People believe what they believe and I.

I think I understand the appeal of talent and the attraction of talent, but what irritates me the most is when people say, oh, your mother died if life worked out the way all our mothers and fathers are supposed to die, mhm, all. If it works out as intended, they'll die before us when you said getting back with Kim Kardashian, you weren't her friend, you didn't know her like that, but when you said you thought he was stalking her, yeah. harassing her if you look at social media at the time because I feel like there were people around her because I was there the other time they were tricking him into posting, posting, posting, it was so I was so consumed with her with Pete with everything being fine, I understood that he was upset with Pete Davidson driving golf carts with his kids sitting on his lap and tattooing.

I mean, that was something any man would be upset about, but it was consistent with the idea that she was talking, why do you think? he thought it was okay, I don't know, because I think I think when you have that much talent and that exaltation you feel like everything you do is acceptable, but in the end we'll all do it. I know what it's like to want something and it's not like that. you want me back I know what it's like to try to force that thing to love me and try toscare everything around that thing to control it control it it's about ownership I know how that feels I think every person knows what that feels like But now I have daughters, the world looks different to me.

I talked to Pete and saw how I just believe that at a certain point we can't incite behavior that endangers the people we value most. If we love our daughters, most women, most women, most women who get shot in America, are murdered by someone who loves them, loves them.most women in America They are abused by the people who love them. I'm not putting myself above that. I'm telling you, I'm aware of it because I see it all the time, but if you have a mega star doing things like that then it allows other people to think it's okay for them MH the same thing that makes corporations say selling my product is what same thing that incites things like well, she loves her and she loves her like it's Romey Romey and Juliet or restrict or M, so I felt like it was wrong.

I didn't feel like it and I feel like the concert is. I'll say what I believe and we'll see what happens, well this is what people did. I don't see it, so I had posted on social media because we all know when covid happened, you were one of the first people that was affected in a very public way, you fell on stage, well, you said it like that, but it's well, since we. you're here, you had a fight, you could have said "pass out", this fell, you can say that from Stockton he had a fight, no, and I was going to get money for your campaign, but every now and then he and then he would post that you're a drug addict. .

Willie Lyn, what I mean, he just talked like a madman and what people didn't see behind the scenes, I saw him and didn't hear from him, you just know I'm in the streets, it's really in you from the self. I'm from 135th Street in Avalon, sure it's from the street and there was a lot of talking and a lot of people making sure things calmed down, that's just what it did to me, yeah, but what particularly bothered me. I don't care what we discuss. About yes, well, my wife couldn't go home because she said where she lived, she put your name, she didn't put the address, but she said that I lived where she lived and my wife was in a parking lot telling me things. hey we got to talking and it turned out some of the people he knew some of the people he knew we ended up having a conversation M and he said I'm trying to get my wife back and you you said I'm a stalker and I said I think that you are one and we started arguing and you, you and I killed you, you won't do it, it was bad, no, I was aware, I see, I'm not going to do it, I won't do it.

Look, I have the red one on to show. I'm not into all that. I don't want problems, but no, I heard that he got hot, he got hot, I'm not unlistening, I'm not going to say something. You that I'm not G to tell you if I'm talking to you and after it ended, I remember you were going, hey, you burned what F is like and me and Wack got into a heated argument, yeah, but the thing, but what? people? I also don't know about Kanye and what I have to be fair is that he was in Noou and I just finished the concert and I'm in Noou with my family and something like that Thelonious guy came up to me in a bathroom and I.

I like that it was kind of weird and the next day I was talking about I Ste a DL and Kanye had called me and he was like we had nothing to do with it. I never thought you'd do it as diametrically opposed as we were on that particular topic, I could tell you from Los Angeles because he's as solid as they are. Blow, oh yeah, blow that he introduced me to Kanye and blow is the one that he told me you guys worked it out. I mean, you know what I? I mean, and I, what I, what I mean, I had already respected you, but you know you really stand by what you say, so when you say you're afraid, I don't understand, that's not what I understand.

Well-being, be afraid. It doesn't mean you won't do it, yes, it's not brave to do it, you know you can do it, you never know, it's a calculating human being who believes he will only do things if I know what the outcome will be. I have never prayed to God for victory. I have never said to God, please give me victory, but what I have always prayed to him is to do a good accounting of Ironically, he was attacking you because you were shouting about how he treated his wife and you were going after him because you were trying to protect Yours, yeah, that's crazy. interesting, so now all you comedians, all the comedians are fighting right now and I hate that, I hate that I was involved in that, but even before that, you are the king of comedy, there are the Kings of Comedy, There are the Queens of Comedy.

Kings of Comedy you, uh, Cedric, Bernie and Steve, the most iconic ones I'm on, you know, there's the Kings of Comedy, there's Eddie Murphy Raw, I mean, I don't back down, those are all those iconic watermarks like if you don't get to that level you shouldn't come out um when when you when when you became one of the Kings of Comedy when there are four of you that are all equally great and some would say that you are better than others and I'm not even going to go there, how do you decide who goes in what order?

Well, I was never involved in that and I think about the Kings of Comedy that no one notices. He had just filmed a special called Going Home. filmed in Charlotte in August of that year, three months later we were on tour and I was on tour with the same act that I had filmed for HBO because it wasn't out, they told us we're going to do a comedy special, so I had to write a comedy special in three weeks, 30 minutes of new stuff, so I can't honestly say it was the best thing I could have done, it was what I had to do, but I had an hour to write that. it just aired and it was, HBO won't even let me have it now because it's there, it's called coming home, so I had to write a 30 minute special and I remember I didn't even have it until the day of the special and I talked to Spike Lee and telling me I don't think I can do it um and that's what I remember most is not knowing what he was going to say because I wasn't familiar with the material um but when I think about the Kings of Comedy I think about it the same way as You watch your wedding videos or look at your high school yearbook, it's in a good place in my mind, but I couldn't tell you a single joke.

It's not connected to that because I think if you live where you were you don't give yourself the opportunity to grow to where you can be, so when people reference the king of comedy, I find it nostalgic, he just doesn't live where I am now, but you understand it's iconic, I get it, I get it and iconic means, I'm, you know, it's Ting in my mind, but I'm so proud of those men, I'm so proud of what we're able to do. achieve, I'm very proud of what we told the world and every time I hear it, feelings of Pride and uh history come up, but I'm not necessarily connected to what it is.

I think S and I have been on tour more me and Steve was really close with the frat brothers uh Bernie of course I was really close with him on tour and he unfortunately left but every time I hear their names, even in any context, the fact that I know these men and have gone to war with them. men, I mean as much as that means, obviously I'm not co-opting the war forums because I want people to get caught up in that, but we've made history together and I'm always very fond of them and proud of them. and when I see something that is the opposite of what I know about them, it hurts my feelings, but I'm proud of what we've done, I'm just not married to them, that's right, that's what we're seeing. com comedians at this time it has always been a disaster so it really has always been a disaster I just didn't have the device to expose with social networks I don't know if it's just social networks I think everyone blames the radio and then they move photos and then they move like that, so they blame video games for violence, so we should blame Pac-Man for being fat like me, but I think there's a ferocious appetite for disorder M, it's me, it's not one of the reasons.

I was very diligent and deliberate about where I came to you. I don't want to do anything complicated if I want to make a mess. I'm going to my family reunion. I'm going home or to Club Shay because at this point I tell Shannon Sharp. I'm a fan of Shannon Sharp and I'm a fan of Club sh, but I'm watching the evolution and I think what I'm doing is getting the clicks on Verity because I started dragging, dragging, dragging, going viral and stuff. It puts you in a certain category that's very different from what I think that show started, but it's evolving into you know why that show started that way because people, black men, saw what Skip Bess did to Shannon.

Sharp on uh an Undisputed, yeah, and we. I wanted you to know that we have you and my problem with this is that the same men who appeared on that show when I wasn't that big did so with the feeling of trying to help a Man Out mhm and everything they said was curated and basically used against them in another interview that is problematic for me, I thought, I think Wendy Williams didn't come off the air, she just got a set weight on a list, I think that's how messed up it is and, you know, no. him because he is my f, one of my him, I was a huge Denver Broncos fan and followed him even when he went to the Ravens, he is one of my favorite NFL players, I don't like him and I would never go to that program.

Not because I don't like it, I don't want to be asked about what happened before me, I don't want to have to comment on it, I don't want to have to fight about it, but what was the William the Cat Show? Which changed because that's when I realized it. Don't know. Can't. I just think that under ily is a phenomenon. MH. It is undeniably a phenomenon. And you talked about this early Jason. I hate that my name is in this. Now I respect all comedians, in fact this is something I've never said before and I've been on tour for a long time.

I never heard anything bad about him to the point of being angry. How come you say wrong when Cass said something about me? I was so happy I was like finally finally finally I'm so happy to know who you are I'm finally and I was him I was so but I was so happy and it was funny between us he corrected himself laughing what I didn't anticipate or tolerate and I can't tolerate is how affected I love his wife I love his children I love the image he has built of himself and seeing him under attack It hits me in a different way Steve was different because you know Steve is like me, I'm nobody, you know how much he said bad people, like it was ridiculous, like he was a guy like me, so it wasn't that shocking to me, Ricky earthquake, but cat, me.

I used to play cat, this is what people, the cat, would play golf, we played golf with Calabasa, true story, he could point in the wrong direction and the ball would go in the right direction. I'm like that and the first time we played with a cat, you know? hoes that way he don't care I've never seen anyone hit a ball the wrong way and it's going in the right direction yeah that's what it is that's his golf game it's indicative of the way he does things and sees the world, so there is love and respect for that, but I will say this: I despise the notion that just because you sit on the couch means you are the Arbiter of Truth, just because you say it first doesn't mean it is right, it's called Club, no Cut sh mhm who is which is which is the last when was the last time I told the truth in a club right drinking brown juice right come on now yes, but me but but with the Internet now no one checks the facts no one cares is based on the world because once it's out there we want to digest more and more of it, right, we have an inexhaustible appetite and I love all those men.

I literally love them, I love them if you told me that when my agent calls and says I have a date with Earthquake Steve. George Lopez said the Entertainer uh or uh Eddie Griffin I don't even ask how much the money is I say yes, that's how much I love those people and that's not what the camaraderie of that Community is like because I don't know the Club sh Shay in that episode with Cat Williams for me has added a different lens to what the comedy world was like that I didn't know was like that. I think it's not a fair example, it's a part of life for us and we've always been like if someone was competitive, it was like an interview with Blueface and Cran, well, it was like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, it was like anyone. that was competitive.

I just didn't like how predatory and messy it was and I hate being involved. I hate that my name came up, it bothers me that my name is involved and I'm sitting at home, someone mentions you and you're like, wait a minute, me and for those who missed it, you mean what? What did he say? Well, this is what I will say. Yes, what was said is not for me. Yes, what was said opened a womb in my daughter that we are discussing right now. Mhm, I've never had much in my life except love. of my children I have always had and something that puts it in danger is that I will never be able to forgive you MH, only for some and the interview was not even intended for you so, how did you work, what was that interview about?

I mean, was it just I don't know, I can't tell you what it was about. I can tell you this that before it happened, I knew it was happening because someone, my daughter, called me, my youngest daughter called me and this is going to happen and she is in therapy and crying because I knew that people would automatically know what had happened to her.I quit because I didn't like doing horrible things. I just got tired of breaking things. I don't think so, listen. I was watching a movie. In true Caro fashion, she said I didn't quit, uh, because I like it.

He said I didn't win, right? I'm tired of breaking down, but I think that's the evolution of us as men and people anyway, that we all go through. I'm going through my phases now. I mean, I did a lot of crazy things when I started. I mean, it's just what I think stands out about this. The whole situation is that comedians make us laugh and I feel like she lives in this strange world of smoky mirrors. We like you all day. All I hear is how Oprah Winfrey, Tyler Perry and Lee Daniels ruined your life and now it's almost.

Like you're on a mission to try to ruin everyone else listen listen I've done horrible things you know why you know why I did them because I said it you know why you could could you talk about my daughter I said it I hate that I did it because I thought I was just being opened, but at that moment I forgot. Being open hurt someone. I love MH's mistake. Sorry, MH. But I had no idea someone would take that and destroy you. Yes, I didn't. Now I can. I don't say it like that, it's almost like you can't say no or yes, you can't take anything back.

I live with it so it is what it is, but I'm, this is the first time I ever said anything, it was like damn, I shouldn't have said that for the first time in my life and not because I didn't mean it because the Impact is fine, but where do you get the strength not to burn the world? down because I want to say, well, I'm going to try it on Jes, yeah, sure, yeah, I wanna listen, I think the world should hurt, I think it's full of itself, I think it's, uh, it's, he starts pretending like things. what you see is not true and I think the world needs some you know we are fat as a country it's because we like sugar We are addicted to painkillers because we can't stand the pain we are numb to things that matters to us because we simply won't feel anything that doesn't make us feel good.

I think what I'm trying to be is an anatha. I'm doing my best to deal with all of that now. I'm successful, no, but it's my goal. Where does it come from? The relationship with you Mo

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is over forever. Me forever. I never need to be in a space that you can't do with me and my kids, even if you did. I didn't do it on purpose the fact that my daughter looks at me differently because of what happened and I'm not saying I didn't do it, I shouldn't have said it, I don't own that, but you brought it up.

For something so trivial it's like burning down a house because it had cockroaches. I'll never forgive you for that, but I don't have to. I don't have to be in your space. I'll never say yes to you again. any circumstance ever, so we are, we are fine. Now I understand what the Line is. I don't want everyone to think I said his comedy special was bad because he's here. I said the review said it. I said it before you and and people said tell me a joke, you can't, I can, I saw it, but here's the deal, only I turned it on it was a joke because it wasn't what blows and the dust smokes out of your tit. .

They weren't Comedy Queens Comedy Kings it was like you had accumulated so much drama from not having the opportunity that when you did get it it was a huge disappointment the jokes weren't funny it was all about the creativity it wasn't there so we don't need to believe in the point don't look at me don't look at me don't say I'm an enemy why would I be an enemy I have 11 comedy specials come see me this weekend anywhere and see if I'm not funny look at it carefully when we get back to the jokes because like Donell Rollins wants to beat up Cory Hul I think I think that's him and Sh was about I don't I don't think I don't think I think that's apples and boulder balls okay Don Rollins who I work with , it makes me laugh, it's very funny.

Cory Hul is very funny. Why should I listen to it? It's like a cook telling me that a cook can't cook well. Because? Would I care what a cook says? I'm not a cook, I'm a consumer. I think it's glorious Vang for someone else, regardless of what you think about someone's talent or what you pay to see it, there are thousands of people. That will be it, so I don't have to do it. I'm not the expert on that, in that perspective, the expert is the one who is willing to pay the price to see what they want to see.

I think I know both guys and they both have It made me laugh so hard it bothered me you know when someone writes a joke or says something so funny you wish you had said it yeah they're both hilarious and I hate them for it but what the hell does he say the comedian about comic crime? The rate is so high right now, where is that coming from? I don't know, I can't tell you because he's everywhere now, I think he is and it's unfortunate and I have no idea what he's coming from. It's like black people have 40 million people one black person can't speak for all black people that's like Barack Obama you have a generation of people that have Barack Obama and little Wayne no one can like the right thing I can't I'm sorry it happened and I'm particularly sorry my name appeared on it.

I think all those Donell R men have told me this is my test. If you said things that made me laugh and get angry because I didn't say them, then I know it's a good joke and you both made me laugh so hard I got angry. I didn't say it, so I don't know what the disconnect is, so I told the story, uh, when Dave Chappelle's comedy special came out and everyone was mad. with him about trans jokes or whatever and Rihanna called and said you're like the gay Chappelle. I want to know what you think and I saw it.

I loved. I thought he was great. I thought. I mean, I remember you know Eddie Murphy Raw. Delirious Kings of com, I mean, when comedy before social media cancel culture, all we could was just escapism into a world where people said the craziest things in a funny way now, if a comedian says or says something that is uncomfortable for anyone. social group that wants to have a problem with it, it's bad, they always do it because Don Rollins did it in a uh, he did it privately, he introduced Dave Chappelle in a small private moment, he said put away all your phones because everything do. to say they're going to cancel me and he said the craziest thing, but it was funny, yeah, just because it was funny for someone who doesn't have a dog in the race and I'm not saying don't be connected to him. experience, you have nothing you need to forward Chuck Barry made this song called my dingling look at him looking at it and it wasn't a gay reaction.

I'm just laughing because wherever I was gay if you did my dingling now it would mean something different, which I regret about this society. I see people leaving, they know you guys are too sensitive but you used to get mad when someone drank from your water fountain so we lose scope and perspective let's just say there are places people need to go where they can hear bad words and people who have a profile that not everything has to be right for everyone. Just sometimes you want to get up nice, sometimes you want something, sometimes you want to talk loud there.

There have to be spaces for that right and people think that all those spaces should be homogenized where everyone can go, but I think now we live in a clip-based world where that small part of that two-hour special is seen and goes viral. everything is wrong, it's almost like a tailored suit, you've had a tailored suit before it's made for you, yeah, but if you let someone else wear this, wear it, it was like it's too small, no it is. Made for you, right, that performance was basically made for that group of people that are there at the moment, what we have done is project it to society and have its subjective, so we made a suit tailored for a society that does not It is built. but if we do because we saw remember the previous start when Kevin Hart was canceled as host of the Oscars Kevin was never really canceled Kevin Hart will never be canceled he's literally everywhere but I mean remember when they told him I had to apologize for some old tweets i thought i should do it I think the only people that make you apologize for the way you said it is BR like I could be right but you didn't like the way I said it so damn I'll take it.

A woman said it, I don't take it from a whole group of people. It was your tone. How many times do I want to say that you were right? If you don't like what I said, you are free to not listen to what I said, but what you don't want is for anyone to hear what you said. I said, but not even that, well, besides that, if you make a joke on your Twitter or whatever about your children, they are your children exactly, so who cares, how? We return to a world where that is okay, it doesn't have to be okay, the only thing a grown man doesn't need is permission, MH, you grew up, why did you grow up?

The only time you need permission is when you are a child, no. I need my permission to be who I am, you could tell me that you don't like what I like. I don't ask well, forgiveness is very easy to get permission, a grown man has to do it. ask permission to be who I am or instead of asking permission to host the Oscars, just go build yourself in a war program, that's why we build ours and it's just, but then when you go talk to our people, they don't No I understand the power of supporting black people because they don't necessarily understand the power of supporting things they haven't seen before.

I don't know if it's as specific as you think no one has ever seen it. I've been around for a long time. I've never seen someone come out of nowhere and have a studio like me, it's just weird, yeah, so it's not that you're connected to a genre demographic, it's that no, we can't. You know what it is because you're doing what you're doing it's like trying to describe a sound, you know how your car does this and you go to the mechanic and you say it's making this noise, but the only way he can hear it is if you heard it right, yeah You try to describe it to him, he has no idea what people are saying, okay, how do we make it sound here?

Less cancel culture, then you have to do this, there are certain. people who configure your set according to your metric you, you with them and everyone else, no you don't need everyone to understand you, as people understand, I don't need everyone to serve me every week, I only need 2500 people a week. to take me everywhere when I do the radio show I only need 8 million people in the whole country to take me I don't need everyone so before we were talking about politics I got the car from the White House I talked about Stockton me running for office No I knew you knew Stockton or had even been Stockton.

I'm a California baby, yes, but like you were there in the middle of that lawsuit, well, not a lawsuit, but where was the son, my son, who was my son on the radio. on my TV show it was and the interesting thing is that I was performing in Sacramento that night, he had come to see me. I was like, hey man, be careful coming out here two days later, I heard what happened, he got involved in a murder and murder I went and they asked me what I testify I'm like hell, yeah, when I was, so when I saw it get out, there were two things I wanted to help with and I wanted to knock him out.

MH, why are we here but me? I know this man I know him and I love him and I don't love him because we don't watch television I don't love him because he put me in S I love him because I know him and I know him and I know his father And his mother, I have seen what happened to them and the I observe, so when I testified for him, I testified about a man I don't know who was trying to get something. If I thought he did it, he would have flown there. He would have put money in the black's books and left him.

I'm not afraid to risk losing anything for the things I love and I love that child. I love him and I was glad I could say something that would secure his freedom because I know he didn't do what they said he did right when he got off some people thought he got off because you were a celebrity or he was a celebrity. I can live, I can rest like if I thought that Jason I would feel bad I don't know I don't know I did what my heart allowed me to do How is he now? Do you keep in touch?

Not because I'm afraid they'll fall. No, yes, of course I do. I'm fine so all the conversations we have on and off camera, um The Daily Show, why didn't you do it? Why did not you do it? Because you know the streets, you know the culture, you know, that's not up to me. but I will say that when I hosted The Daily Show, Tyreek Nichols had been murdered in front of us that Thursday and I had to do the show that Monday, so it was interesting that now I had to take what the country was talking about and present. in a way that's humorous, so, which is impossible, nah, I felt like I'd rather serve my idea of ​​how things are than make people feel comfortable, so I don't know, but I'm fine with whatever decision I make. take people. about whether they like me or not or whether they believe what I did or not.

Would you do a show like that on Fox News? I'm sure it would be great. I would, you know, I can't tell you the outcome, but I know. than to see those right-wing people come there and try to talk to you, well listen, I don't know what the outcome would be, I know what it would be, I know what I believe, I don't know what people would do, how people would categorize what I believe , but I am never afraid to say what I believe anywhere. ItWell, not so much, listen, when you go to the State Assembly, it has to be shorter than that.

When I ever go to the State Assembly, I'll just throw away the straws and probably have a wife and someone's kids are mine in the pamphlets. No, I won't, I won't. It has to be me. I always have to defend who I am. I don't know if you want to get a governor, you better get a white woman. I'm just telling you that a white woman will not be governor. Listen, a privilege is an understatement. I'm glad we finally made this happen. I appreciate that. throughout my journey, like you already know, checking in and making sure I'm moving forward correctly and anything that you ever need me for, like I want to be there and, um, maybe I know you say that Do you like to write.

I like to write, maybe you can write a special for Mo'Nique because otherwise not, when you know that's not going to happen, but I can't write, what I want to write is your acceptance, thank you really for your, it won't happen a long time, no, no, thank you and Where's my straw? It is not such a short and eloquent wait. The funny thing is, we're already planning the victory part because it's coming up a day before your birthday, yeah, and we were talking about who we want to host a performance, you know? I was going to take out little Kim, but we were going to have kids there, so the sucking and Dick thing probably won't be right for them, so I think we're going with Buster.

Buster would be perfect, right? Buster would be great, right? He scared the kids, but yeah, I'll just tell him, because now your C has to let J know and we'll send you a congratulations video, okay, let's do it right, thanks, whatever you do, I don't. I don't care what you do, just being able to say that I did it because I believed in it. The problem with people who access public office is what they do and when they are in trouble for it they cannot say why they did it, yes. you could say I thought I was doing the right thing, it was a mistake or whatever, listen to us all, no one is uh, you know, infallible, yeah, if whatever you did looks like why you're in this , then you have done everything right. white people are very afraid of me I don't drive they take me around I'm safe I don't drink anymore I'm being very you won't be afraid yes I'm being very intentional and one day you won't be intentional, one day they'll leave you alone, yes, and maybe what you are here I will keep you here, yes, okay, let's end on that note, but I appreciate you and if you ever need me, you know if I invent, I'm going to tell you that I will call you, don't tell us that I wanted to write a joke.

I wanted to do a show at the LA Factory called uncancelled where I got everyone together to do everything cancelable, but then now that I'm running for office I can't because they're going to cancel me no, you would, yes, they'd cancel me no, no, you wouldn't be canceled, you wouldn't be chosen, you wouldn't be chosen, but what. you're going to make $37,000 to be a stock, yeah I'm donating all that anyway kids, yeah that cost you two sneakers? What do you mean? You know I spent who the guy was, the Stockton serial killer that they caught, they caught him mediating. yeah, they caught a serial killer recently, yeah, but they watched him, yeah, like that, he was black too, but the city that's so crazy is that, it's crazy, he knows about stocks, you know what's so crazy?

The serial killer knew the city knew before. They said Poli was killing us, so they didn't care and let me get out of here before they didn't pick me. Bye, thank you so much for watching the Jason Lee Show for more episodes like that click here and if you want to see more subscribe below and click the notification bell