Chris Hayes: Bernie Sanders Will Need Blowout Wins To Overtake Biden's Delegate Lead

Friends, you know, my first guest tonight is MSNBC's Emmy Award-winning host, all in with Chris Hayes, your welcome back to the Late Show. Chris Hayes, welcome back, I'm Tegan. I'm glad to see you. Did you get any sleep last night? Are we doing calculations? all night about what happened on Super Tuesday I was up until 4 a.m. m., oh, we had the, we had the 1. The problem when you do a show at 1 a.m. m. It's just that you have caffeine to make the one a.m. smoothie. m., so you are the one a. m. The show was live, it wasn't just a replay, otherwise it's not like we were live at 1:00 a.m. m. this morning, so do we know anything about California?

However, we had a picture that we knew that we knew that Sanders was going to win by about nine or ten points and I was with a

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from California, but not the details, but we actually still don't know at this point, 24 hours later, no We know exactly what the results are and we probably won't know the final. results in California for maybe a week why do they have adding machines if you know a caucus, we know Iowa was, we would actually know what happened. I've had Californians. I've had Californians explain this to me a little defensively and I still don't understand.

Which just takes them a long time to count the votes. Your marijuana is legal. It couldn't have anything to do with that. Biden had a big night on Thursday. Did you see this coming? Keep in mind that the answer is no. In a way, I did. Look, I talked to that, I had no idea, I didn't see it coming, the next question, what made you think, what made you so excited? because I talked to that, I talked to a pollster on Monday night, I talked to a pollster who had been in the field with a type poll that day that Sunday and Monday because Monday was the day that Buddha Janklow Bashar bet, so everyone who endorsed and said, look, the numbers they were seeing are crazy, the movement in Biden's direction like he's going to have a great day. tomorrow then South Carolina really made a difference in the world yes it did Wow why isn't this some kind of strange political system where a state makes that turn it's because it had lost three in a row you thought why?

Why don't those three sink it? What brings one back? It's a great question. I mean, I think two things are right: One is that African-American voters are the kind of core base of the Democratic Party and there's no way. winning the nomination without a lot of support from black voters mhm, so it kind of sent a signal when black voters voted so overwhelmingly for Joe Biden about what is your prosperity, let's move forward number two, there are a lot of primary voters, no all. of them, but I would even say that the majority of them just feel like they've been given a test question and they don't have the answer to who is the best to beat Trump and they go around saying, "I don't make him stronger, No".

I'm not a professional. What people ask me later, who should I vote for, there

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be problems. I don't vote for who you want to be president and then they say, I want Barack Obama to be president. I can not help you. there, but what is this idea that people were really looking for signs from people mm-hmm about some, I think not, but who would be the person for Contra. I heard a word like I read some things in there that Obama was sending signals that he thought so. It was Jo, I don't know, I mean, I think look, I think Susan Rice endorsed, yeah, there were people and Obama was there, well that wouldn't happen if Obama hadn't given the other high signal.

I'm not sure about that act. Well, I guess the only thing I'll say about this is that there is clear skepticism toward Bernie Sanders from the kind of elite in the dominant party, the people who serve in the administration, well, some people, yes, clearly, some people here in the network should be medicated there. There are people, some of my colleagues are also skeptical. Yeah, I think a lot of those fears on the electability front are actually pretty overblown. In fact, I think the data we have shows that I think Sanders and Biden would be very competitive against Iran and afterward. 2016, anyone who says they know something about something is lying, that's it, we actually always lie, we just found out in 2016, yeah, I mean, my big takeaway from 2016 is just humility about the future that is not written and, therefore, what ends up happening. and there's kind of a bad trend from the experts is that whatever happened, just extrapolate the line forever, it was like Biden won yesterday, it's indomitable, it's over, Brittany

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s to quit, okay, everyone calm down , so let's go. for the next one, okay, so Biden had a great night, yeah,

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Yeah, well, that's pretty big, so now it's Biden, he's dominant, he'll never give up the lead. Or does Bernie have a chance and keep in mind the answer is yes? I'm going to start doing all my interviews this way. Yes, once you get a

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lead, it's hard to give it up because of the way delegate impeachment is proportionally allocated. Has anyone ever had the lead in delegates after Super Tuesday and then didn't get it, not in the last two competitive Democratic primaries, which were the closest blocks, so Barack Obama emerged from a smaller Super Tuesday in 2008 with a narrow lead of 13 delegates and his campaign put out a very bold memo saying we've looked at the math, we have a lead and we're not going to give it up, which was really too much at the time, but they were right that Hillary Clinton emerged, the advantage in delegates did not give The problem for Sanders is that, to be able to overcome this exit, he

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s states in which he has had defeats because fighting for approximate parity does not help recover the delegates who said: "I will say this," in the On the other hand there was a reason it took so long for the establishment and other people to consolidate behind Joe Biden the reason was that they were disappointed by his campaign yes they saw a lack of care yes they looked at it they said this doesn't look great this this this doesn't looks like a great campaign.

I love Joe Lee. I only speak with the voice that these people are now sure of. I love Joe. I think it's great. I love him. I've known him for years. Don't know. So he's the only one. I would say that there is still more campaigning to do, yes, and the fears that people have have not completely disappeared because this support has been consolidated. I've heard many people who support Bernie Sanders say, "I couldn't." I couldn't vote for a Joe and I've heard from people who want a Joe to run. I just don't see myself voting for Bernie Sanders, who do you think is least likely or most likely to be rebellious about this?

Don't know. The answer to that about who those different people are is because I agree that there are groups of voters in every coalition or is it that you exaggerate Joe the type of things you say during the campaign because you know you never say die all the time, but do you? Any Democrat will actually go to a voting booth on November 3rd if it's not the guy they supported and look at those two buttons and walk away, you know what I think? A little more trouble, thank you sir, can I be right about the others?

Yes, as you suggest. I think the history and nature of Trump suggests that a very overwhelming percentage of those voters will vote for the candidate, but the other thing I would say is that margins matter, which is why there is a difference between 82% of Sanders voters who vote for Joe Biden or 82% of Biden voters who voted for Sanders and 92%, so that margin matters a lot and it could be the margin of victory in some states, we don't know the answer, but it does mean that consolidating unity and support in stretching the union of a coalition that might be a little torn is going to be key this is something that I know, I know it's important, but I hadn't heard of it or I went to bed before that you will begin to receive information about it for the last time.

Last night is what the voter turnout was like because last night would have been the best indication of what the enthusiasm is like on the Democratic side. It was high, it was very high. In fact, Virginia saw record turnout in 2008, with voter turnout exceeding that of voters. 2008 Wow, big turnout in Virginia, big turnout increase. You know, there were a lot of states where we don't have an apples-to-apples comparison because they had caucused and in our primaries, but it turns out that when you replace a primary caucus, you get a lot more voters, so in a place like Colorado I think there was a 300 percent turnout across the board last night it looked pretty good pretty good, pretty good from an eternal perspective, are you there?

Thanks, I personally made this happen. Well, we have to make a decision. A little break and I know you have to go do your show, but if you can hang out, we have to do a little more and Chris Hayes will stay.