Biowarfare Experts On Coronavirus (COVID19)

There are many things we still don't know about this virus. The only way to stop him is to kill him. The Chinese believe that the government lied to them. They thought they knew this was happening for two months before doing anything. There is a lot of anger it became a crisis it was simply out of control Italy waited too long South Korea responded immediately 20% unemployment may be a small number compared to the war it could be within six months we do not want the airlines to go bankrupt the consequence It would be catastrophic, but you keep saying that 18 months I don't think is extremely aggressive because of the extremely aggressive plays.

We didn't know, yeah, how long we can really sustain this. The youngest people go to bars, they are the most. dangerous because they don't even know they are sick, how serious can this thing be? Right now the death rate in the United States is 2%, that's a lot of people, so we have the solution right now with a drug to fix it. And if? It has a side effect that no one anticipated why we don't do social distancing for those over 50 but for those under 50 we let them go to work they come home they are infected and they kill their parents and grandparents is that what you are saying I , let's kill all the capitalists, we want all the CEOs, the vice president says, the middleman, no, I'm not saying, you say, I say, if you're my partner, I'd say, buddy, go home, we're getting into it. the bathroom this is the bathroom 80% of our drugs depend on China this is a national security problem that is very worrying to the average person this is a real problem it is a crisis it is not the apocalypse tell the media dad, will any Once you thought I'd make a sweet victory necessary I know this life, yeah, why would you fit into Goliath?

But we have paperwork, courage, alligator, given values, contagious, this world of entrepreneurs, we can't value the haters, honey, run, friend, look what I become, I'm low. one, look at the recent videos we've been making about coral and a virus, a lot of you were asking me if I can bring you a couple of

experts

to talk about this pandemic, so I have two guests with me today, one is Professor Andrew Natchios. who was a former lieutenant colonel for 23 years and I also have with me dr. Parker, who is a former Army colonel, they are both

experts

on the topic of the pandemic and I will let them introduce themselves about what they do professionally and the many different experiences they have, but I have a list of questions to go with them.

With that being said, let's get right to it gentleman, thank you for coming, thank you, thank you, so if you don't mind taking a moment and just introducing yourself to what you do, you know, we'll take the lead from there, so you can do it. I am a professor in the international program at the Bush School of Government at Texas A&M. I run the Scowcroft Institute of International Affairs. General Scowcroft was President Bush's national security advisor. He 41 years old or he trembled just a couple of years ago. I have taught for 12 years. I used to teach at Georgetown University in the Walsh School, but for much of my mid-career I was in international development.

So what is being done to help the poor in the developing world in agriculture and health? So I was the administrator of the United States Agency for International Development, which is the foreign aid program of the United States government that helps poor countries and we have been doing that since 1961, President Kennedy created it. President Bush was one of our great heroes because he tripled the foreign aid budget, most people don't know it, and his malaria program has reduced malaria rates in Africa by 50% in many countries and the HIV program /AIDS that he started has also pushed back the HIV/AIDS problem in Africa in other areas of the world, so I was with World Vision, the NGO, for five years, like in the 1990s, as vice president, so I have a academic career, I have a career as a help administrator and then I have a career. in state government in Massachusetts, where I originally came from, I was in the state legislature for 12 years and then I was state COO and then I ran Big Dig, which is a huge construction project in Boston after there was a cost overruns.

I had to lay off a bunch of people and it was kind of a big disaster, so I have three careers and you also work with dr. Fauci on HIV. I worked with him 15 years ago because he was the one who convinced President Bush to start the program and we worked with him and the AIG Global Health Program is the strongest sector that AI D works in as projects around the world. world and one of the things we should have been doing is mobilizing AI D to help people in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East and Asia in poor countries deal with this because they don't have much support without an ID and without some Of the other aid agencies, the UN is overly committed at the moment, it's just who and the World Health Organization and they need help, which is why they have started mobilizing.

Congress put a billion and a half dollars in the budget that was just approved. the president's signal to do this so I'm happy but I think they should have done this two months ago but we have to take a picture and I have a list of things I want to get what about you dr. Park, then I would describe the public service of my career, public health, national security. I am now director of the biosecurity and pandemic policy program at the Scowcroft Institute and was also associate dean of Global One Health at Texas A&M before joining Texas A&M.

About six years ago I was 36 years old and at the federal level 26 years old and active in the military and much of my career was spent at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. I was a former deputy commander and major affectionately called. Juice Amrit, a lot of people know what that is, so I got into biodefense, high consequence emerging infectious diseases from that experience. When I left the military, I went to the Department of Homeland Security and then they recruited me and quickly detained me. Department of Health and Human Services in 2005, about 30 days before Hurricane Katrina hit, so I quickly moved on to emerging infectious diseases, to things like health care capacity and things like that, they were also dealing with a day and then preparing for a pandemic, etc.

I was principal deputy as secretary in HHS four, which is one of the major forces right now for the Department of Health and Human Services and my last tour of government service is the Pentagon is deputy assistant secretary for chemical and biological defense and my career It's kind of a crossover like what Andrew said with Tony Fauci and when it's certainly when I was at HHS and DOD, but it goes back to the anthrax letter attacks in 2001, so it's fair to say they're both qualified for talk about this topic. That's why we have you here, so we're excited to get out and spend some time.

That's why I posted a question yesterday. What questions would you ask them? We have lists of questions. The first person I asked was my eight-year-old student. -Eldest son, what question do you have about this pandemic? I said the Parkers will be here, so do you have any questions for him? I said, is this related to Peter Parker? Transparency, any relationship with Peter Parker can't matter for relationships, you know? So let's get right into it. So good, bad, ugly, many people are afraid. I'm in the business world, I'm in the financial world, I mean, and we're creating content and we have employees, agents, clients, everyone, which is a lot. of people who are afraid because there is a level of uncertainty of people who still don't know what is really happening, from where they are, what they know, what's the point, they know about what is happening right now, bad and ugly progress. good, bad, ugly, you can start with ugly or bad first and then go to good if you want, but you can, you can restart.

I'll start off right, I think it's actually one of the good ones because we went from a period of what it was. It was called the containment strategy when the president actually imposed some travel restrictions from China and at the time that made a lot of sense and we took a lot of steps to start trying to contain the virus, so when we hear about it again, in January. and that was essentially to buy some time to start doing some preparation and so the organizations will be better prepared those that took time to start preparing when the containment strategy actually began, but clearly we have reached an inflection point in the which has clearly translated into a mitigation strategy plus containment, but in that mitigation strategy it really depends on what is commonly talked about now is flattening the curve through social distancing, social separation interventions both at the personal and community level, as well that what I would say is good about that. people are taking it seriously and actually moving with some guidance from government at all levels, federal, state, local, but universities, businesses, schools are taking action and people are paying attention to it and they're not necessarily waiting for the federal government that you know to tell them.

To do something, guidance helps, but I would say that's part of the good thing about the seriousness we're taking in social distancing interventions. Now we have a long way to go and I know that that is now having a big impact on our economy, but we know and I would also say that that is good too, so we are getting good guidance. We're getting guidance from the federal, state and local level on what it means to protect our public health, but we're also seeing a lot of steps taken to try to address some of the economic impacts as well, so we'll address some of the bad ones later, so that It's the good, the good, well, I think there are basically three ways to combat a pandemic, one of them is a vaccine.

We do not have a vaccine, it will be a year and a half before we have it, we cannot wait that long, I mean, the consequence would be catastrophic, the second is through medications that will kill them by taking a pill, you kill the virus called antiretrovirals, they call it antibiotics for a bacterial infection antiretrovirals for a viral infection this is a virus we have a bunch of antiretrovirals that already exist but they don't know what it will do to this virus it could make things worse possibly not likely but possibly yes I don't know which one works better than the others , so they are testing them now and Jerry tells me that in two to six months there may be some promising antivirals that are already approved by the FDA or under other indications and preliminary evidence that suggests that some of these antivirals may have epoch C against the Tsarskoe b2 virus and that is why clinical trials have already begun to specifically analyze this virus and whether they would help clinically, so social distancing is not going to solve the problem because as soon as you stop doing social activities if you get infected, the Infection rate will go down if everyone follows the instructions to do this social distancing and quarantining and all that, but then when you stop doing that, it will go up again, the only way to stop it. is to kill it and you can kill it through medications and then vaccines to prevent you from getting sick, but that is not sequential in terms of time, so you could have damage to the economy and the number of people who would die if we waited for the vaccine, no It is an option but we have to do it because the long term permanent solution is mass inoculations around the world and a vaccine so we are doing the right thing now with limited resources and a few tools now let me mention who is at risk because the data that is coming out is very, very interesting and there is more and more data, a lot of data from China and a large study was carried out that was published in the American Medical Association Journal. yes Journal of the American Medical Association written by Chinese scientists, we believe that our scientists believe that if it was done legitimately, you know a lot of the data.

I don't believe the data that comes from China. I think it is cooked because the Chinese government is an autocratic regime and they are using this crisis to promote their strategic interests that have nothing to do with them. They are using the crisis to push us aside and say that we are the ones who should abandon the world. , not the United States, we can talk about that. Later, but now we have data from Italy, Italy and South Korea, our democratic systems, their scientists will not be told what to do, they will not do it, they would not follow it anyway, but yesterday a study came out from the same great number of cases in Italy, which is now the second largest in the world, is after China and I think there are 27,000 people infected and they have lost Lara in large numbers, it is the highest mortality rate in the world 8% 8% Korea from the South Who is greeting Freddie way ahead of everyone else?

He hasonly 1%, right? Now those numbers are going to change. Both have modern health systems. Italy waited too long to respond. South Korea responded immediately. South Korea conducted massive tests on each. 250 thousand tests that allowed them to focus on what they were doing and the reason they did all this is because they had SARS, another virus similar to this one that took place 15 years ago, they screwed it up and they fixed it. The Koreans fixed their system or prepared from a pass, that is exactly correct, very good news, yes, preparation works if it is done at a higher level with all the ministries and in the case of South Korea or departments in our case, so now, who is at risk? says the study in which it simply came out that 99 percent of the people who died in Italy had some other comorbidity, which means some other disease, they had cancer, they had a heart attack , they had a stroke, they had diabetes, they have an autoimmune disorder. he said 90% 99% 9999 that's what the studies say, I got it right, now that people haven't talked about at all, I mean, it's in the data and there is a study in China and one that I saw is exactly the same, but not the same percentages that were done in a small sample.

The group most at risk are people who have hypertension, which means high blood pressure. Now we look at the data this morning according to the Center for Disease Control, the preeminent group of scientists. United States and the federal government, one hundred and eight million Americans, 30% of the population has high blood pressure, okay, 30 million should be on medication and are not, and 75% of these people should try to control their pressure high blood pressure by minimizing, for example, the amount of salt they use, exercising more, not eating fried foods, for example, I mean you can lower your blood pressure without medication but they are not doing it, obesity causes high blood pressure, that contributes a lot to that, so 75 % of The people who died in Italy had high blood pressure and were not being treated, so Jerry gave me an explanation that you don't want to go.

I didn't even say what I was talking about is why there can be a biological disease. There is a connection between this virus and high blood pressure and why that is killing people, so the advice is to get your blood pressure tested. If you have high blood pressure, you should take medication, maybe too late in your life to do so, because if you don't. the medication you are likely to have a stroke or heart attack with high blood pressure if you know, if not treated properly, exercise more if it improves your lung capacity, that will also strengthen your lungs because the other element of this is youth . people have very low rates, they have the same infection rate but they have very low mortality rates under 40 years old, very low in the case of Italy, most of the people who died were over 60 years old, a large percentage had over 1600, 60 years old, that doesn't mean younger people can't get sick, it means they won't die from it.

Now there is some evidence that it can also damage your lungs if you contract it, but survive. A 20 to 30 percent reduction in collectivism. It is a preliminary report. You know all of this, you know, I think we all need to be careful not to focus on any given statistic or literary publication at the moment we go, there are a lot of things we still don't know about this virus and we have to just understand and appreciate it, but every day we learn much more about this virus. Scientific knowledge about this virus is extremely important to how we guide our public health response and we just have to accept it right now.

We are still in a data collection mode, it is very similar to other outbreaks we have experienced including the pent h1n1 pandemic of 2009, unfortunately we are in a kind of fog of war, but that happens with all types of serious outbreaks. serious outbreak and a real and potentially very serious virus that we have to pay attention to, we don't have to worry about, I mean, worrying can be counterproductive, we have to worry about that. I would like to go back and I will go back and visit the safe mitigation community a little bit too and because, maybe to show some examples of why it's important in a loving mom magnet, just out of curiosity, are we still okay or have we gone to bat or haven't we? have we become ugly? however, we are still where I want to get back to the maybe, to the good again and why community mitigation is important and why flattening the curve is a real phenomenon and we could just look at the macro level and without getting into the statistics, but look to China and the impact of kovat in China and therefore some draconian social distancing measures were implemented around whoo-hooo and throughout the province of who may, which included up to sixty million people than a complete lockdown with many of you know policing and invasion of privacy etc so we looked at that and it became a crisis it was just out of control but when you look at the data from the rest of China actually that lockdown of Who province Bay actually mitigated the severity of the disease and the rest of China, so it's just a macro-level example that this is actually community mitigation.

That's trakone Ian, we are never going to do something like that and in our country, most countries wouldn't do that, but there are other good examples, so if you look at Singapore, you look at Taiwan, they have greatly mitigated the serious impacts, they have many cases, but they have been able to mitigate some. from the severe impacts and the overwhelming of hospital systems and so on, and mitigated the number of deaths, but it was essentially social distancing community mitigation, social distancing in containment and laboratory testing, compare that to Italy, where a professor, not the executive director, has already said that they waited too long. too late and community mitigation and we see the results compared to Italy versus Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea, some were in the middle, but they jumped to two.

They had a unique case with a Diamond Princess cruise ship that was part of, you know. what started there oh no, that was Japan. Sorry, I mixed it up. That was Japan, but Japan also had a lot of high cases, but South Korea had to do with the church in Daegu, but what really helped the South Korean professor. No, the CEO said that with extensive lab testing so they can identify where there were hot spots in their communities and do something about it within more aggressive mitigation measures on commuters, but that's only what the macro level can do. give you. an example of countries that have done well versus those that have not done so well.

You said China took a draconian approach, it was extremely draconian, so can you explain what you mean by that for someone who doesn't quite know what you know? I would just say it was essentially a complete lockdown and forced quarantine of a population of 60 million people and people weren't allowed to leave their homes, there was enhanced surveillance, police powers, information wasn't flowing and that's how it was, I guess. . I would call draconian something that only an authoritarian government like China would or could do: they put paper in people's houses with duct tape and if you tear the tape and leave, the police would come in so you can't leave your house. or you get in trouble with the police, so what do you think about the threat going around saying that they might put us on lockdown?

So if you say that, you're saying there's no way in America when we put Shut that down because I lived in Iran before it was shut down which wasn't curfew, you can't even leave the place and it was a law in the that the government was watching you, two suitors are doing the right thing, you are saying that is not the case. possible in usa 12 it's not that it was good it's not my newspaper now a National Guard not with the National Guard coming to arrest us and in the police powers it's just that we are not the best we are not a police state instead now we can take some aggressiveness only measures of social separation without having the whole type of authoritarian regime, of course, we cannot be completely progressive, we are doing things like now universities are moving to distance learning and taking social distancing, these measures by some industries and companies are maximizing work.

From internal policies, there are areas where schools are closing, in fact, I think I heard this morning that in one state in Kansas, the governor decreed that schools should close for the rest of the spring, so yes, our classes are we are going to do at this time. I'm going to do distance learning as well to do that, you know? We or tourists reported that we do that and we cannot travel abroad, there are no trips abroad and who orders you there. The ruler of the universe, she is our ultimate boss, who is anyone to force her no, no, these are just prudent measures under the circumstances of a public health threat that globally is very high in individual communities in the United States, you'll see some people say we'll say in individual communities the risk may be low, but in some communities the risk is already high, so we'll have individual communities across the United States that will be affected at different times.

This won't just affect the United States all at once. It's going to affect. Individual communities are times apart, so people are just making some prudent decisions trying to keep students and faculty, in this case, students and faculty safe and mitigate the loss of life, but also continue with the mission of education, and you know it. That to me is not a draconian measure, it is a very prudent and safe measure to continue in this case with our educational mission of keeping our students safe. Yesterday I read an article from Goldman Sachs that was in Forbes. I think that's what he said on a call with 1,500 investors.

I know they projected you know 50% of the United States will get

coronavirus

. About 150 million people will get

coronavirus

, according to the data they provided, and 3 million people will die due to something strange. There is this article you are reading. I've seen the number thrown out by other places, not just the same or exaggerated, some of them are exaggerated, now there's the other side of the coin: you know you've heard that China is slowing it down and they're no longer getting the kind of increase they were receiving but then you come back and say that happened because they shut everything down completely so social distancing works but if you let them loose because some of my friends said I did a conference call at 1:30 today they say people that they were buying products and that they were doing their business is based on minor products from China, those factories are not opening, you can order from them again, so now the business is back to normal somewhere, it is not everywhere, so that the cases are have not grown as bad as they are, so if the cases could be controlled in China and we are projecting that we can reach 150 million if we don't deal with it, you know, if you look at those numbers, you know how For a long time we can actually sustain this if we distance ourselves to specific or social distances, we generally use models to project this and there are very thoughtful and sincere people, but Bob Cadillac, who was Jerry's predecessor, we actually gave it to him. a professional award at our annual pandemic summit we have been holding pandemic summits for five years btw the art white papers are available on the Bush School website we have been predicting this would happen not with reliable AK btw yes , Alright.

We've been saying this would happen, we proposed a lot of things that we thought should happen to prepare the country and when the president signed the executive board in 2018 on pandemics, which was required by statute, they took the language away from our target. The documents put it in the executive order so they knew we were reading it, we passed it to Congress, both parties followed some things, ignored some things, ignored the difficult things, that's what usually happens, but the point here is that a time the Chinese If we put people back in factories, infection rates are likely to go up again, it's like before, but it could go up again and we're seeing that a little less in Singapore.

A little bit, so we don't know what's going to happen, but there are some people privately saying this. You know social distancing works as long as you keep doing it, but you can't do it forever, so the question is. how long is this going to last and we don't know that, we don't know, yeah we don't know, but we know, I think we can learn some lessons, you know what we're seeing in China, they were on lockdown. and the case is now or you know they're on the downward slope of that era curve and that was about two months and that's what you're seeing with dr as well.

Pouchy, who is actually our preeminent person in the United States, isspeaking, you know an estimate and he freely admits, you know we don't know for sure, but that's the estimate he's been using and this made me, you know, two months. To get to the true downward slope of this epi curve, I was going to quote Bob Cadillac's successor Gerry, his fellow friend, but he said the models don't work and the models that predicted these three million people, but even if you adopt a much more conservative view right now, the death rate in the United States is 2%, so it's not 1% like Korea, it's not 8% like Italy, it's 2%, let's say it will be the 1% because she when he was testifying before in Congress, it was 1%, which is a conservative estimate that's still 10 times higher than the death rate from the flu, the flu is one tenth of one percent, so It's a conservative estimate and if you say 20 percent of people will be infected, that's 66 million people.

They say 1 percent of 66 million is 1.8 million people, that's a lot of people and some communities will be affected. more affected than others. I went back just to make sure I got the models quote right because and it's essentially because the models can be It's also very valuable, yes, there are a lot of assumptions. You know, models are only as good as the assumptions that go into them. Going back to what I said, there's still a lot we don't know, so we have to make assumptions about what we know, what we can estimate, but at the end of the day, just like hurricanes, we know it when we see it. hurricane appears in the Atlantic, there are different model projections, there are a lot of them, you know, as a hurricane gets closer to us, the models start to converge a little bit, so it's kind of Alex with that, to so you know when We are seeing a hurricane in the Atlantic Ocean.

All the models are actually very confusing, but as time gets closer, those models start to spin and then become more useful. How bad can this get? let me, yeah, you know, let me go back to some of the statistics as well and why we need to be really clear and concerned and careful, we've heard a lot up until recently, the good news is it looks like only 80% 81 percent of the people is mild and that is, you know the good news, but the unfortunate news is 20 percent or not, so you know go back to the largest cohort again from the Journal of American Medical Association which was published by Scientists from China, but they've gone through a pretty thorough peer review, they know that 15 percent of them are serious and many of those require some level of hospitalization, but some of those that are in those 15 percent categories go into critical care and This critical care requires intensive care. ventilator support, etc., so it's actually that percentage number that we should be concerned about and those who know, the more we can prevent those in that severe category from moving into the critical category, because once they enter that critical category, that is almost a 50% mortality and it is not only a disease of the elderly, but also of those over sixty or one of the vulnerable populations, but of anyone who has one of these other comorbidities, so we go up again At the macro level in the United States, there are about one hundred and five million people who fall into this vulnerable population category, seventy percent of those one hundred and five million people are actually over 65 years old, but 30% of They fall into this category of 18 to 59 years old and have a colon. comorbidity or underlying health conditions, so there is a report to get them anecdotally, but there are articles and this half in Europe and the newspapers that say that younger people under 30 just ignore this, maybe they read the data which, by the way, not a child under the age of nine has died, so there are children who can contract it and show symptoms, but it is not serious and they do not die, thank heavens, we do not understand why that is so, so the research will eventually tell us why, but younger people go to the bars there, I heard reports of comorbidity parties with a lot of kids getting together now that's irresponsible to do that, but they should think about their parents and their grandparents because if they get sick You can bring family members. who are older, who are over 60 years old, sick and you wouldn't want to be responsible for the death of your grandparents or your parents, I'm sure they're not even thinking about that, they said, well, I'm invulnerable, I can't die from this because I'm young and healthy and very well. , they could make other people sick, not make the teacher sick, can I be worried about the date?, they could be asymptomatic carriers, that's right, that's the other thing they can do, people can carry the disease and have no symptoms and are not sick at all, they are the most dangerous because they don't even know they are sick and stuff, and there is some evidence, not substantial evidence yet, that there is a sub and if it is a matter of If it is a major factor of transmission, probably not , but it can happen.

It's very interesting, so are you hearing about what the UK is doing with herd immunity? What do you think about it? Because you know someone asked the question and they said, Well, Pat, yeah. We know that cases under 50 years of age the mortality rate is less than one percent in cases above 150 it is higher why don't we do social distancing for those over 50 and under 50 we leave them go to work because they are not actually affected wisely? When they return home and their parents live with them and they are minors, they are not going to die.

Those under 50 years of age return home and are infected and kill their parents and grandparents. That's what you're telling me. That doesn't make any sense. doing the United Kingdom that's not bad it's not a good idea to verbalize it I hope we don't do it the United States how familiar well yes, let me let me let me actually Mikkel go back to the models because Actually, this is where I think the models are that have converged over the years only in the implementation and non-pharmaceutical interventions of social distancing and therefore the models have been practically an agreement over the years, particularly when we study pandemic influenza and the threat of pandemic influenza begins. back in the period twenty 2006-2007 and then applied in the 2009 pandemic, community mitigation or non-pharmaceutical interventions measure interventions, you have to be quite aggressive, you can't just choose one demographic group and not another, you have to make sure of doing things for industry universities and other non-governmental organizations you simply cannot implement a community mitigation measure little by little because those are the models that tell you that that is not effective and that is essentially what you describe from the Kingdom Taken together, it would be kind of a piecemeal approach to attempting community mitigation. socially separating one demographic from others when you can't actually do that, you know, and being analogous in the end, we can go back to borders in a minute and why, how borders and border closures, what effect they can have, you know.

I'm stopping, you know, ultimately stopping something, but we can get there, but it's better than some because at the end of days, viruses don't respect or respect borders or boundaries, so there is herd immunity in the UK and no. Just explain what that is when there are enough people in the population, who have a certain unit or virus, that there is immunity and the transmission of the virus will eventually die out and that measles is a good example of We know that measles is very infectious and that more than 95% of the population must be immune, which means that you have to have herd immunity in the population of more than ninety-five percent to actually stop transmission and not have disease, if the herd immunity drops by below 95 percent we will see covet nineteen measles transmission, we're not sure what it is yet, but some of the early studies say it's probably in the 60s, sixty-five percent, we don't know for sure.

I just know but I'll throw out the statistic so I don't think the UK measures are going to provide enough herd immunity to stop transmission so they want 70% of the population to get it for their immunity to be able to fight . against that and then they go back to normal, so let me go back to what I was doing, let me address the other problem with current immunity, getting the disease doesn't always guarantee that you won't get it right again and they're there, we don't have enough scientific research right now to conclude that getting most diseases, if you get one, you build up antibodies and if you get the disease 10 years later, your antibodies will kill it, but we don't.

I know that because some viruses that is not the case and that is why they are making some assumptions that in my opinion are very dangerous very dangerous very dangerous assumptions the assumptions that they are making are very dangerous yes, so let me ask you that The other side of the coin It's that you're saying, are you willing to go to work and get the virus and bring it back? And God forbid, someone about 15 years old in your family who lives with you ends up contracting the virus, that's what you said, okay? The other side of the coin is if you're saying we can't get a vaccine for 18 months, I know they did trials of a vaccine in Washington and I think they did 40, following them a couple of days ago, they're still doing trials and then you're saying it's a record time, you're what President Trump just said a couple of hours ago, the fastest record in the city of the progress they're making, etc., etc., but you're still saying 18 months for sure, yes, absolutely, and so record the record progress we are making in vaccine development and today we can use new tools that allow us to design new vaccine candidates.

The key word here is media-based Canada. options based on the genetic sequence, so the operative word candidate means that it is still an experimental phase and the good news is that at least you know that at least there is what I have seen in the data, there are at least 20 companies, the universities are the 20. vaccine candidates in development from private universities, so there are 20 vaccine candidates that enter some very early discovery development phase and begin to move from preclinical phase one studies to clinical phase one studies only the first clinical study, there is a phase 2 study that follows a phase 1 study, there is a phase 3 study that follows a phase 2 study and phase 1 only looks at safety, are there any adverse safety observations in a very small study in humans?

Phase 2 is a larger cohort, maybe 200 and maybe 5 to 200. to 500 people and the vaccine candidate is produced on a slightly larger scale under good manufacturing quality control standards and also looks at safety, but begins to analyze whether the vaccine produces an effective immune response, no, it is not proven. Against the virus in a hot spot, phase 3 is then when you start using a more commercially scalable type manufacturing process for that vaccine candidate that is still in an experimental stage and put it in a larger population to really observe clinical efficacy at a critical point and to see if the vaccine is working against the virus, those manufacturing stages, advanced development, manufacturing and quality control take a long time and it is difficult to shorten it, so the projections of what dr.

Fauci says it will probably be 12 to 18 months before we have a vaccine that can be deployed and goes from an experimental vaccine candidate to a licensed product or a product that can be used under emergency use authorization that we have enough confidence in. than the vaccine. It does not cause adverse side effects and could take a while. See those things, we cannot shortcut those steps because if you do one that is only 75% effective and there is another that is 92 percent effective, don't you think? You should know that before you start selling this and you want to make sure it doesn't have any safety issues, exactly what if it has a side effect that no one anticipated.

I mean, you want us to be in the military and you know you were getting all these vaccines right, you're taking this and you know there's a risk that later on you could have a third three-unit ear on your forehead, but you know your associate, your property, wait, wait. I remember that he was a military doctor who did research and development. proof hoax we were testing most of those vaccines that our soldiers, including myself, received were licensed there was a period in the Gulf War when some were used in an emergency investigation that for us of the Gulf War and a state of drug research, but there have been decades of abuse and laboratory researchers like me who told us that we understood the safety profile and the efficacy profile, but that the vaccines we received in the military were licensed by the FDA, they just weren't We liked it because we were receiving many shots at the same time, sincethat what we didn't like, here's a question for you, so if you say 12 to 18 with 25, he says 12 to 18 and I agree with him.

I don't think he's going to be extremely aggressive because of the extremely aggressive phase that we didn't know, yeah, but let's say they can pull it off because Trump is going to pressure them and they're going to give them 20 months, okay, at what point? Or do you think that in the best of cases we will have it ready and that if we have a million cases we can give vaccines to a million people, could yes, we will not give them to one, yes, they have the one that you give to one before . they get sick, so it's like a flu shot, so at some point that means you have to give it to a hundred million people, it's getting to two million, well, let me let me let me put some perspective on this somewhere. phase 1 phase 2 phase 3 development there could be some point in an area of ​​phase 3 where we are starting to see that we are not seeing adverse side effects or safety issues and we are seeing some evidence that that is effective there It could be a point before it is actually authorized if everyone who knows the scientific community would come to the conclusion that maybe this vaccine we can go ahead and start using it before it is licensed by the FDA under what is called a authorization of emergency use because there is increasing evidence and sufficient data that would guarantee its safety and effectiveness in high risk.

Now there probably wouldn't be the scale that would mean you need it, but we could also think about who would be priority to get it. a vaccine in Hyundai and in limited quantities in hotspots, so who would it be? Well, you know, we're putting our healthcare workers on the front lines of this, so we would have to think about who our healthcare workers or is it the population that you know that's most at risk? But those are some of the ethical questions that would have to be addressed, you know, at that point and we're going to have some ethical questions right now and just. you knowHospital preparedness too, so let me ask you a question, here are the cases, okay, I will just give you the number of cases on how it is doubling.

You've seen this before, this is cool, so I have a question for you about what we're seeing. with graphs on the assumption that these cases keep doubling and I ran it in four days, six days and 10 days and this is just for us in four days, if it doubles every four days, we will see eight million cases by the first of May only on us, but you said it's too aggressive four days, let's take it to six days six days we'll be at four million by May 19 okay, if it's six days four million is still a big number by five nineteen if doubles every ten days we are looking for September 4 all of us July second four million cases if we have four million cases and we use the 2% number four million two percent 80,000 80,000 is seven times greater than what we had with the H 1 V 1 in 2009-2010 with Barack Obama, we have about 57 million cases.

I don't know the exact number we had, so if we go in this direction, okay, if we go in this direction and look at the numbers that way, it will double. At that rate it's okay, we don't have the vaccine, we're not going to have it for 12 months to give it to people from 12 to 18 months, what are we doing? They have the medicine, that's why, that's why, that's right, in actually you know, me. I think you're putting too much emphasis on a vaccine solution and that's why we have the solution right now with a drug to fix it.

No, no, you are now putting too much emphasis on a medical countermeasure as the correct solution. Now, because the public health measures that Archie tried and true and we're talking about community mitigation, the community social distancing measures are going to be very effective and are giving us some time until the antivirals or the vaccine are available, so the next question is that. why what we're doing now in the social support community, social distancing interventions are essential because those numbers are a little scary, you're all, you're also assuming that we'll know the numbers because we have enough laboratory diagnostic capacity, but that's another one you know, and that's another one, you know, we can talk about that in a minute, but you're really explaining, you know, the classical rules of epidemiology and duplication and replication, and this is where we're still at. in a phase of exponential growth from what we can see from what they say exponential growth so this is not a linear growth it does not go from one case to two case three it doubles and then it doubles again the doubles against that is what exponential means and that It is very dangerous, so there is a big risk for this.

Jerry is and this is where we might disagree. Well, I guess I don't think the American people in a democracy are going to show discipline, especially to the younger ones. to implement they should I'm not saying they shouldn't I'm saying I think we have problems with this after two or three months of oh yeah we can't last that long yeah and if we don't have medication that can kill the virus at the end of that period we are going to have problems so I think the most important thing is not to focus on the vaccine, the president is focusing on the vaccine and in my opinion it is a mistake because he is too far along in the process.

In the future, the measure that is going to relieve us and the economy of this, the damage that is being done are these medications that already exist, they are simply testing them to see if they are effective against this disease, that is what will allow . We must relax these social measures which are the right thing to do now and we must emphasize to young people that they cannot just ignore this and go to a bar and have fun with their friends, that doesn't work, it defeats the whole purpose of this. If people behave like that I think that part is fine and I think they will adapt to that with the bar part because you know yesterday I'm going to eat something at lunch I'm going to let myself go to the neighborhood toilets Oh, close, let me go - it's closed, so I want to jump dad, we're closed, but we can, you can order, we'll bring the food outside, okay, it's a place to sit, but I sat outside, they brought the food, I took the food, I came to the office, okay. that works, the bar starts to close, people know Friday Saturday night, you know my concern is not that, so the good news that you just gave is that because so many people are just talking about vaccines and we trust In this vaccine, it is putting fear in people assuming that it will take 12 to 18 months, that is very worrying for the average person, we said that we made that businessmen and scientists, if they come together, they can find the right medicine to help stop it, or you know. do anything and maybe people will understand it and that could happen that real list now the problem is an export problem even if they do all this science there is the problem that the Chinese have effectively subsidized their pharmaceutical industry for the last ten years They have bankrupted our pharmaceutical companies that produce the building blocks called active pharmaceutical ingredients APIs.

We're getting to the bat again. This is the bat. This is either very peasant of you or not ugly. Okay, so this is pretty ugly. Yes, call China rx. I did not write the book well and it is on this topic, it has been a systematic attempt to bankrupt not only American companies, Japanese companies, European companies, pharmaceutical producers. 80 percent of German medicines depend on China. 80 percent of our medicines depend on China. So if the pandemic continues in China and you are Xi Jinping, what are you going to do? Export all those drugs to the United States and Europe.

No, you will keep them inside the country and treat your own people. I would expect him to do that, but we have allowed this to happen. This is a national security problem. I am in favor of free trade. In fact, I think globalization is a good thing because it has lifted millions of people out of poverty. It has reduced costs. The quality of the products has improved. It has made the world much more globalized. of people hate cap I'm not one of those, it's okay, however, we do not allow our defense, our weapons systems to be produced in other countries, there is a reason for that, because it is a matter of national security, we need to produce those weapons in the United States. for our military we have to do that for pharmaceuticals, just as Jerry said earlier, medical disposables like the mask, we don't have enough ventilators now, so there are measures that affect the survival of the American people and there needs to be a rethink full of this now if the pharmaceutical companies deliberately tried to bankrupt themselves, of course no they didn't, the Chinese did it by subsidizing their own pharmaceutical companies to become the dominant force in active pharmaceutical ingredients that are necessary to make medicines for everyone, not just for us and we have to address this problem and that is not for now, but it is early, we have to address it soon because if we get the drugs, the question is whether we will get the drugs approved through these scientific organizations. tests then we have to produce them BAM well, what can we produce them?

I don't know, I don't know what drugs mine are, that's where we'll find when you say, I don't know, what do you mean? I don't know, we literally don't know, no, I would say we've just lost, we've offshored a lot of our pharmaceutical manufacturing, biologics or vaccines, antibodies, not all, but we've all ramped up a lot, a lot of our actual manufacturing. We have a very, very strong research base in the United States and kind of early discovery and development, but we've offshored a lot of the manufacturing and we need to bring it home, so, you know, I'm going to say something. about the vaccine also because we need to find out the vaccine that is developing well, one of these candidates will be successful, I hope, and we need to make sure that whatever it is, one or several that are successful, we need to do I'm sure we are manufacturing here at home and this vaccine will be important in 18 months or when you get licensed because many believe that we will know that we will get through this.

I mean, there will be this epic curve if it's two months. but it can come back and it can become endemic, you know, and like other viruses have become, and that's when the vaccine will be very important if it becomes endemic. Can you break it down for someone? So yes, if we look at Compared to influenza, we have many circulating strains of the influenza virus and it is a flu, so we have the flu. All of these different strains are endemic in our society and every year we actually have to develop a new flu. Vaccinate each year based on the strain of flu circulating in any given season, so the flu is endemic and continues.

Excuse me, it evolves genetically and that is why a new vaccine is always needed so that this virus can act similar to ours. I don't know yet, but since it is circulating around the world, almost every country has the corona virus and we probably won't be able to get rid of it completely, so you will probably know it in our at a much lower level and it may reach its peak at some times, but it will be very important to have a vaccine in case it becomes endemic. and the population will start to develop some immunity just from natural exposure to it and some of the population will become, you know, if we were to get infected, hopefully our signs will be less severe in the future, so it sounds like you like what it does. the United Kingdom. what you're doing, I mean, you're not going, it's not urgent, it's not a long time, okay, so in other words, what you were talking about is the fact that the virus is constantly evolving, so if it's constantly evolving we also have to make sure the vaccine is Well that will be constant so we don't know enough about covid and it may not evolve as quickly as measles does.

It's very stable, it doesn't evolve, it's pretty much like that if you had measles when you were a kid, yeah, and you didn't because you didn't get the vaccine, a vaccine, you're not going to get measles for the rest of your life because you bought it, You know where they fought her. that's right and they've developed an e, but you know where we store ours. I didn't know until my wife got sick. We start storing our antibodies in our bone marrow, so our military, our Marine Corps, our. Oh, the first airborne is in our bone marrow and when there is a disease, when when the disease comes out, the army of antibodies says this is a disease and you are going to kill this thing and they go out and search all over our body and kill all the virus, so that's the whole idea of ​​a vaccine is that you want to develop the antibodies before you get the disease so you don't have to get it to develop the two internal ways of developing the antibodies: you can get a vaccine that doesn't give you thedisease or you can get the disease and that's how you get protection, let me go back to the question with the medication that you were talking about: how quickly, if we completely crush it, how quickly can we get some type of medication to help with the coronavirus.

I think it will be very fast. I'm not going to give you a month more than a range and maybe two to six months, two to six, and that's what I'm here for and that's because we can reuse the antivirals that are. is already licensed by the FDA or is in development, in the process of development for other indications, other diseases, other diseases, right, okay, so yeah, and those are some of the estimates that I've heard from others as well, but that's just because there's no license for Other indication and early data appears to be effective against Kovat, so they could be repurposed relatively quickly if all you know, the clinical trials you know, show what the data is at this point.

I don't know your information. how available, how much do you know how large the manufacturing base is for those antivirals, but I know that needs to be looked at right now, very, very seriously. Well, then you're saying that you started with the good news and then came back. to the same room several times you two stand your ground social distancing social distancing social distancing right, that's the only tool we have right now it's fair to say you're over 50 what do you mean by age? I'm in the vulnerable population, so if you're saying social distancing, why are you sitting so close to me and why are you taking Wales to five other people here since you're human in people who can listen to your show and listen? your advice and stop infecting other people listening to Giri and I say in terms of social distancing that we don't drive three more hours here just to be seen on TV, we go on TV all the time, but your show is dedicated . to this and we hope that some people will follow the advice, especially the younger ones, and be more restrained when interacting with people and, by the way, the president's instruction that comes from the CDC from our scientists, a group of less than ten, does not We have met ten people.

Today we five all the people we hate before we come, let's eat when we get home, okay, this brings me to the question I've been trying to ask you all this time, so if we go at this pace social distancing is Well, then, if profits for companies go down more and more and more, do you know what happens? Companies have to lay off, so you saw the article on CNN in which experts talk about unemployment can reach 20%. I'm sure you've seen it right, when was the last time we saw 20%? ago we're talking about the great depression 20% Well, then you look at this and say Okay, there are two communities, you know how they say that people vote with their pocketbook, you know how they say that people vote with their pocketbook, I think people also investigate or data or anything too with your situation let me explain it and please challenge me here for wrong okay so if I'm 70 or if I'm 60 I'm probably telling everyone to social distance okay but if I'm thirty. years old and I have a wife and two kids and I have a $2,500 mortgage payment I got a job in expenses but only $25,000 in the bank I can social distance for too long yeah so I'm sitting here watching these 67 years go on saying business social distance social you already have your pension you already have a million dollars that will pay you the rest you already depend on an army retirement you can social distance I can't social business you put me in a difficult position what?

You say that? My way of saying compete with this person. Most people are not self-employed. They work in an institution. Who is the executive director and vice president. They are probably older people because people have to be experienced to run. You start killing. the people who run American industry now some people who are hostile to the American system say oh let's kill all the capitalists we want all the CEOs the vice president says the middle Banat no I'm not saying you're saying if you're mine then I would say friend, go home, go to the state, go home, let us run the company, we have jobs, we have to make money, but don't do it because you, because they can't isolate themselves from all the older people in society.

I don't work they can't freeze no I'm not talking about isolating you I'm telling you if the seventy of us have to do it yes yes you're telling the rest of us anyone over 50 or 60 to stay home All this time that's what you're doing Saying, no, no, you're saying social distance. I'm saying say social distance to people around 50, but people who have less than 1% risk of dying, continue with the economy because if we have 20% unemployment, you know what comes after 20% on the corner, if you go to look at the cities, that's the highest level of crime, what did that have in common?

Well, I know what you're thinking, it's not a consequence, yes, this could be like that. The risk we're taking is that we assume we know how bad this could be. We have some data to show based on cases that it is less than 1% for people under 50, maybe the UK is taking a decent approach which we should. to consider what people under 50 that's all I'm saying so if you're the CEO of a company in your 70s listen sir thank you very much for the work you're starting reference the problem is there are many people under 50 years old. which is what we are seeing in Italy now there is an increase in people between 40 and 30 years old who are hospitalized in Italy with serious consequences for this, a professor told me that this is due to high blood pressure because 75% do not.

HE. I need some information for this professor, yes, how many of the 30% of Americans who have high blood pressure are younger and how many Americans are obese? You know that many Americans are obese and not elderly. You're right, okay, it's a very big problem. number, I can't argue with that, so there are people and people who get cancer who are young, they have hiv/aids, I mean, they may be on introverted or viral medications now, so that's okay, so there are people with other comorbidities, other diseases , diabetes that makes them more vulnerable and they are minors, it is not only because of age, it is not only because of age, but also because of these other diseases, a big factor is also age, although when you look, I know what you are saying, I know I saw the part about asthma, high blood pressure, you know, obesity, you're seeing this data that's coming out, yeah, but you know there's still an opportunity to continue the economy if we get some people that can come back to work and continue with their jobs, because you know.

We had a guy call me and say Hi Pat. We had one of our guys and he said we had a person that was here and they took a lot of what he called the students that come here that are not ours but live with them. them, what did the international exchange students do? Yes, the foreign exchange students who stayed with us and one and two foreign exchange students who stayed with them were from China. Next thing you know, he came here, went to visit some family, and came back somehow. I didn't get into karma buyers, so I was like, "Okay, you know, I had it," what felt like dry coffee, you know, etc., etc.?

I was feeling the same thing, it was two weeks, it was stronger than the flu. I had no idea what. was happening so I realized that's what I had but I've gotten over it and experienced it. I went straight to me, my wife and I are talking, please challenge me on this as much as you want. I am who I want. you to challenge and how about you say here, my wife and I are sitting. I said honey, listen, this is what's going to change this challenge that we're facing today, okay, and this isn't even my main question.

I want to ask you to answer them. I asked a question. I'll be here in a minute. I said honey, the world has to watch thousands of people get coronavirus on TV news on YouTube making a video saying "I have coronavirus, this is what it feels like." I'm going through what I'm doing, so if anyone watching has coronavirus, the best thing you can do to help the world is document it and post it on YouTube so we can see what you're going through. Here is a symptom, this is my This is what I weighed This is my height I need to be like this I have been diagnosed with high blood pressure I have never ended up without the blood pressure that Intel has given us, so once all this data reaches the world from Tennessee comes back and says, okay, it's a virus, it's bad, we have to be careful, but you know what we can overcome if we contract it too, then comes the acceptance that we can overcome it if we contract it.

What do you think about it? The way I see this, because any other way I see us going like this until the end of the year, because if we don't find this in the next six months, 20% unemployment may be a small number compared to work. six months since that well in each era and you have seen, you have seen dr. In fashion, when you talk about this, it's this epic curve and what we're trying to do is flatten that curve because the consequences of that curve being very fast and very steep is that you're going to have a lot of people 18 to 18 over 60 years old. will fall into this critical category and we will have a higher mortality rate, whatever the H is, our hospitals will be overwhelmed and there will be positions that will have to make extremely difficult decisions about who lives. and who dies and and in fact, I think it would be a good idea if you could interview some children and young people from Italy who probably had to deal with the death of their parents in Italy for Cove It and you probably don't even know it. seeing their parents buried and this will have a great impact on children and young people when they lose their relatives and that is something you need to think about as well, you know, I understand your point, you know and I know you know the economic impacts and younger people, it's a very, very good question, but I also don't want our country to end up where we have our ICUs and our hospitals completely overwhelmed and We're having to make decisions about who lives, who dies and crisis standards of care and that that would be a fundamental shock for our country.

We got ourselves into that kind of situation and that's what's happening in Italy right now. That's the difference between 8% deaths. The rate in Italy, which is extremely high, is three times higher than the flu in 1918 and a 1% rate lower than the 1% rate in South Korea and remember we don't really know what the true death rate is. right now because we don't know. We don't know what the denominator is, that means we don't know exactly how many cases there are because we don't know. Italy has more diagnostic capacity than us, but even if it is 1% in a given community that can overwhelm hospital systems. a system in a given community where attending physicians and so on have to make these kinds of very, very horrible decisions.

South Korea is fine because I think they are number 2 in the number of hospital beds per thousand people they have. and Japan is number 1 on the list with I think 13 points OR 3. I think South Korea was 12 points OR five and the US is like 2.8 bets per thousand we have nine hundred twenty-four thousand one hundred beds of which 65 60 percent They are in use we only have 300 thousand beds available and then outside of that the fans the machines that we keep hearing about that I don't have as many as are available. Today's New York Times just said that New York needs 18,000 of those in the next two to four weeks, so I see that part as a big challenge, not having available capacity and not knowing who's going to run those ventilators.

You know, the other part is the healthcare workers who have the respiratory technicians, you know, the pulmonologist worries about that part, you know, I don't worry about that part because we both have experience where you know that in the field the other day they interviewed a sergeant major of the Iraqi army he was a 19 year old sergeant major Sahel are you a 19 year old sergeant major? He says when Saddam fell and Iraq started the new army they only had 25 soldiers and no one wanted to be a sergeant major because you were the number one person they wanted to kill and I said I'll do it so I became a sergeant major do you know how in those days?

Hey, you're a corporal. I haven't done the matching, you're a sergeant now, hey, you're a sergeant, you know people were getting promoted in the war, so I guess that's not really Mayon's big concern, do you think that's the way I'm processing this? with the economy is, are we comfortable with the economy being completely in ruins? You know, the part that worries me. I remember I was in the army. I think you had to be under 35 to join the military and the reason I remember this. a guy at my camp andmy boot camp that he had been in the army before he got out, but it had been 10 years since he came back to the army because you have like $40,000 on credit cards and one army agreed to pay his $40,000. a credit card but he was 34 and he told me the age was 35, so why is it 35?

Why can't a 50-year-old go to training camp? 50 or he doesn't go to boot camp, but in the military system we just don't want a 50 year old man to go to boot camp, we want the oldest to be 35 and if you think about going to war, how many people go to boot camp? forehead? It's not that a 40-year-old isn't a 50-year-old, this is the 22-year-old. 18 years 11 Bravo, that will be a different line, why not treat it the same way? Let's let the young people who drive the economy let them go to work and do their part if their immune system is that strong because if we don't And this continues as it is, you know, you know, one of the things that's going to happen here, capitalism American, there is a reason why it is a superior system to government-run companies in China, for example, because they are extremely adaptable, for example, companies.

I restaurant, oh God, the Greeks are in I'm a Greek-American, the Greeks dominate the restaurant business, America is staring now to say, ok, you can't come to our restaurant, choose what you want online and we'll deliver it to you and I'm getting more and more emails from restaurants that my wife and I like to go out to eat and we haven't started doing it, we're going to start doing it okay, so there are ways to adapt. I thought all universities would do it. I have to be closed I learned to use zoom I didn't know how complex but you can run an entire classroom from your I want them to have me, we have to have etiquette because the teachers were saying that some of the kids didn't know you could I saw them and they were the men weren't wearing shirts, you know, or they had inappropriate photographs on their walls and or the woman, the man, the men, it's okay, because you can see the photo, everyone can see, you have a guy who, his name is Hector, likes him. like to wear two tank tops, well I'm going to tell my kids that they will be dressed appropriately and that there will be no inappropriate photos on the walls of the room where they have zoom on, these are etiquette things that they don't even notice had occurred.

I but yesterday I trained two hours and I am 70 years old I am adapting to this new distance learning as they call it I never thought I would use distance learning but I will do it on Monday morning like this and we are We don't understand the economic impacts. This will be part of our research at the Center for Biosecurity and Pandemic Policy for years trying to understand the economic impacts of this. We have to find ways to try to mitigate the economic impacts. It's not going to be easy, you can't separate the two, these are going to be difficult challenges and the administration is actually trying to find new measures, and in Congress they are starting to address this, is it going to address everything?

I'm sure we're not going to address everything we need to do for Covid from a public health medical perspective. I'm sure we don't know, which is why they've both done it. It needs to be addressed and addressed very aggressively, so I'll give you the other side again. I'm going to keep challenging you guys. I have been challenged by doctors and teachers my entire life. Joy is how we do it tonight. is what I'm looking forward to, so you said Greek restaurants, we'll do it this way teachers, yesterday you're seven years old, you're learning to zoom and you need to make sure these guys put on a shirt first.

You can show them what I am, guys, I'm in a tough time. I'll hear from them, but how do I get someone on a plane to New York? How can I approach a gym that is full of so much metal? The corona virus can live on metal for 12 to 24 hours. How do gems zoom? You know how many companies have to zoom? I mean, I understand zoom and if I'm a personal trainer, I'm fine, I understand it yeah. I'm an accountant and I'm zooming. I'm fine. I even think doctors can zoom because there are business models right now that are based on that, but sure not even business, yeah, not all results.

I know, I understand. So, then how do you do it? Explain to the flight attendant who makes fifty-nine thousand dollars that you're hearing that there has to be federal intervention and that's what they're talking about, but I have to say, given the very partisan nature and polarization of our political system, I'm surprised, yeah . I'm glad to see how much Democrats and Republicans are coming together to address this challenge now that the partisan range seems to have narrowed like it did during World War II, so they're starting to get things done which is a great thing. saying like cuckoo Moe, you know the governor of New York and tweeting and you know you never thought he was going to fill the spot, so I think when you're challenged with something of this magnitude, people start to come together and There's a lot of things that come together. can do if people put aside egos and partisanship.

Now it's unfortunate that it's a presidential election year, but that's what it is and that's the way it is, but I still didn't get my question right. but some of these things can't be fixed the airlines are in big trouble we don't want the airlines to go bankrupt I understand you saw boing-boing needs a bill that way I'm in I'm in I go on planes all the time Jeredy also travels traveling so no we want the planes to go bankrupt the economy recovers we need the airlines to be whole so there are many things that must be considered this is not business we must consider what the consequences will be for small businesses in the United States I will give you two last crazy things: no It's going to last forever, we, no, it's not going to last forever, but we have to mitigate its severity, we have to mitigate the economic impacts, without a doubt we will find a medicine within a month or two months and the vaccines will not be available. available for 12 to 18 months and they're still preaching social distancing and nodding their heads, they're paying $1,000 a month to every American who brought up that idea.

Andrew Yang, who was a back and added a negative tax that Milton Friedman used to talk about, that's right, I mean, you know, so, oh, it's going to be another month and another month and another month, right, we're social distancing. , the peak that always exists. In an outbreak, it will rise and fall and we are trying to mitigate the peak of that outbreak so that it is lower and social distancing measures will be necessary for long enough to reduce the peak before interventions can be made in the social disaster. They won't be necessary until we have an antiviral until we have a vaccine because the peak will go down at some point when there are enough people infected, but at some point they will.

We will be able to do it, but right now we have to be really aggressive and we have to think in terms of weeks instead of days for the Orthodox church I go to. The Orthodox never change anything, it's the same as it has been in the first century, that's why I like it, okay, we have a young priest and I said father, you know we can't have services now the archdiocese has said there are no services, everyone The altar boys and the choir and the priest, that's all, I said well. What about the rest of us?

He's setting up a television camera so we can all participate in the divine liturgy, which is very reassuring if you're in if you're low. severe stress your religious devotion makes a difference it calms people one hundred percent so you are going to put in very economical money and you are going to do it in real time now we won't be able to take the Eucharist but that's how it is, you know It's a very innovative way of use technology. My wife is Catholic. She is making her church do the same thing as the priests on the Catholic side.

Has the level of forgiveness increased? Are they a little more correct in the Union? now that before as a father I have seen as I have heard now everyone is forgiven don't worry about it but you know if your priest can zoom in on heaven that's the game so you know my concern with the economy is I'm just in the world and I'm trying to see what you're thinking with all of this because you know, I also remember there was a time where, under another administration, I think it was 2011 or 12, where unemployment benefits were payable for 24 months, If you remember, it was 24 months and then they kept saying, well, people can't have a job and at that point I went to 12 months mixing and everyone started finding work and getting jobs, so my concern is also that people don't work. and we're just subsidizing and they get all that, they give them money and they take care of everything for them, then when it comes to going back to work, then they're not used to working 40 50 hours a week, what are we going to do?

What to do after that? But data from previous epidemics shows that it is a Veeck, it is a V or V. Part of the economy collapsed and is recovering extremely quickly again. It's not like we had huge structural structures. prophesying that in 2008 this is not the same as in 2008 it took years to rebuild the financial system we do not face that in this case that is innate it is greed who does not have nothing to do with this this is what I know this is more on 11 September than it is, that's exactly the point, yes, that's exactly it, we're not facing a ten year recession or a five year recession, there will be a quick rebound after we get control of this, so they are good news we have.

Good news, it's very good, we have good news on this, you know guys, I hope you have an idea of ​​this because God knows how many memes have exploded right on Instagram, what the hell is going on? What are these toilet papers? Because? bathroom I'm not getting this stuff from the bathroom. I'm not friendly either. I understand some of the things that the supermarket is fine, so we go in and we don't go through, it's just my wife and our children. I've grown up, so Oh, the only thing that was green apples, the green apples were all there.

I said people must not like green apples. Okay, that worry is too cool. Maybe there's something about green apples. You know, there are no potatoes left. There are no onions left. Me, the most important thing, I am using the garlic, if the calyx ran out, I would have big problems, you and me, so come down, the fish is everything, no problem because the price is very high, okay, no chicken, No. turkey at all and no meat, the only thing left was a little pork. I thought it was interesting, but then you go down and see the toilet paper and the handle and that's not it.

I have been trying to get disinfectants, not just one. bottle for three weeks I come in early in the morning I come in late at night I said when is this oh well you're in the wrong place I said I come three times a day just to check they can't find it so then if I understand why they want to say it , I don't get there with the toilet paper. I don't understand, do you have a theory about this or not? My only theory is that I think most people don't understand that this could be weeks, not days, as you know, before the hurricane, we all run to the store and buy milk, eggs, toilet paper and water, so I think that a lot of people think this is like, you know, repairing, preparing for the next storm and when it's coming. but it's going to be longer and I think what we know that people don't understand is that we don't need an impact please people should be encouraged not to hoard our critical infrastructure including our grocery stores which are not going to close. and critical infrastructures have produced the same things that go into our grocery stores, they are not going to close, society will make sure that these critical things continue to move forward and function, so our store will not We are going to run out of toilet paper and I think our society, you know, thinks it's another hurricane and that's a good analogy, but it's going to take, it's going to last longer and it's not like things are going to be destroyed the way you are.

I'm saying it, I would even go to the store even more because if you tell them it's nothing more than the critical infrastructure, they will restock and restock and restock or sure as hell not, you won't need any more food because of the virus, yeah, okay, and still you can go shopping you won't need food because of the virus you're not going to eat the same line of food whether there's a virus or not yes but if they Close and the next thing you know the grocery stores won't close down the industries that produce the foods and other supplies found in our grocery stores, so there's really no reason to hoard like they do.

Not really, I have a different kind of question for you, what do you think about Corona happening in '94, not today? Okay, so go to 94, not Facebook, not YouTube, not even MySpace, not Twitter, not Friendster, no, nothing, no, that's right, you would be struggling. if there is no zoom, none of this 94 The news is not like that, you don't suddenly appear code update update notification notification notification if this pandemic had happened in 1994, how differently would the population have reacted?people to the way the media maintains? saying end of the world end of the world and the door, by the way, what happened?

We need to stop using apocalyptic language. Okay, these are the means, dad. Well, I know, but they're being apocalyptic, but I wrote an article. Actually, it is necessary. Al Arabiya, which is the US government's Arabic-language news service for the Middle East and North Africa, asked me to write a column as a former AI D. It's not well known. United States and then Marib World. AI D is very well known, so he said that the former administrator would write something because people don't know what is happening, they fear that there will be panic in the Middle East and North Africa and I said yes, so I wrote it and I said they are too dangerous here. one is to underestimate the risk by dismissing this and not listening to experts like dr. false Qi and the other is to suggest that the apocalypse is upon us and the world is about to end, it is not about to end, this is nowhere near what it was like in 1918 where five percent of the world's population died In six months, we didn't even do it.

We know what a virus was, so we are just beginning to develop the germ theory of disease. Well, they used to think it was swamp gas and coliseum diseases and they still kept bleeding people. 100 years ago they thought the problem was too. a lot of blood or there is something wrong with your blood and they would bleed you as a way to treat a disease that was a hundred years ago so well that we have a much more advanced system now that we have science, we know much more and we also know how to produce vaccines we were not producing vaccines 125 years ago like we do now, so it's an advanced medicine, you know, most of the medicines produced in the 19th century, which won it, there were jokes, they weren't serious, they hurt you if they were taken like that. we have a much more advanced system that we don't have and that means we can respond and the government structures are much more sophisticated even though people are upset with the government, you know who is going to be the big solution for these people, talk about the The Chinese model works on oh that's nonsense, the Chinese model is not a superior model to our model, our model is highly decentralized at the state and local level, most of the response is not taking place at the federal level , which is the most visible because the media is what the 50 governors are doing all the mayors the boards of councilors in New England ryu originally came from the county judges in Texas they are the ones who run the systems with those of us who really connect who run the school systems the federal government doesn't Don't make fools of how many universities there are, none, how many factories they run, it's a highly decentralized system and what's surprising to me is that if you look at what's happening around the country, people simply say: I see the threat.

I am the leader of an institution I want to protect my people, that is my job and that is what they are doing all over the country, so what is the great news, the best, very good news, that we as a democracy , we are taking responsibility at our own level, without saying it in a way for someone in Washington to tell us how to fix this problem, which is not a good idea, that's what we did yesterday, we made a list of people who have children and they can't find people, and you know there is a daycare to take care of them, so they work from home and people over 50 work from home and then we made a list of all the people who are pregnant and who have some kind of health in based on the conversations that Everyone is working from home and you know we can have some people working from here.

We made that decision yesterday, so I agree with that, but the question I want to ask you in 94 is what does the US government have in 94. If the steps and the way the government reacted in 94 had been the the same as today, actually, is it social media that is driving some of the things? fear, unlike public health authorities in the media, because I think I believe a lot of what the Director General of the world hell organization described before declaring a pandemic that we are actually in an endemic situation and So what we have now is having a 100% empire oh, so much misleading information, instilling fear and trying to create anxiety and worry in people, so it's simple demek and the fear is actually much worse than the greed, so somehow we have to do something better that says I think we need to do a better job as a society and in communicating risks and in communicating, you know what the risks are and what we are doing about it and countering this Misinformation is a means of communication that perhaps we would have. been better in 94 without the proliferation of social media.

What I'm saying well, I agree with one of the things that's happening is that people are taking advantage of this to make money, apparently they confiscated fake test kits at one of the ports, but where? We're in I think it was on the west coast in Los Angeles somewhere where I saw it this morning on the news. It was very interesting because someone produced a test kit, but it looks like it is and it's fake, and people are trying to do it. There are people running around saying that if you can hold your breath for a certain number of seconds you don't have the disease, that is complete nonsense, does it damage your lungs in later stages?

Yes, but by that time, frankly, it will take your breath away. There they will do tests and they will be able to tell you that you are holding your breath. He will not tell you where the disease is or is not. The third thing I've heard now is that if you breathe at a hundred and thirty-three. A degree of steam in your system will kill the virus. It's complete nonsense. You could burn your lungs if you do. I don't know how bad a hundred have actually been. 133 wait, but that won't kill the virus. It's ridiculous to talk about things like. that, so people need to be very careful if you want to know what to do, go to the Center for Disease Control website, they give you advice, these are the best scientists, that's religious, yes, if you really need to continue, keep doing that, encouraging people to do it. authoritative sources and, in fact, I would urge people in their communities, wherever they live, to first visit their local public health websites.

It's a good idea because it's your local public health, your local emergency management, your local community has the most authoritative information. dated information for the community that you live in and then the CDC has the most authority and they get their guidance and recommendation from the CDC and then they apply it to their local communities, but anything you can do to continue to promote people to go to authoritative sources The amount of information will be very good. In reality, we are looking at a group that uses some type of artificial intelligence. You know they look at social media, but maybe we're trying to use a group that can help us identify how misinformation is bubbling up. through social media to also counter it with the right improvements, by the way, when well, I can't speak because it's a company that owns someone, yeah, you know, I'll tell you I would love to do that across the line. make presentations some of the fantastic things because we need to do that and try to put some vaccine countermeasures against social media bad social media because social media is also very important because it's a good way to communicate and get information. but we just have to counter the misinformation.

There is a statement I heard about this that this whole thing was a conspiracy to defeat the president, regardless of that, it's nonsense. Do you think the Italians created this? What is happening in Italy? I think it's all made up, that's ridiculous, so the Chinese made up 80,000 people dying and the economy collapsing to affect our President John, that's not what's happening, so people, these left and right conspiracy theories They're not useful, well, you can't tell people that. stop doing what you're going to do anyway, but I'm just telling you it's no use, it's nonsense, this is a real problem, it's a crisis, it's not the apocalypse, so we have to be, we can't create public panic In the other, we must take the necessary measures to have this under control, who is the big whistleblower, the two big whistleblowers, what are their names.

I'm curious to know if any of these whistleblowers come out and are given any kind of information because eventually some of this news is going to come out, you know, the main whistleblower in China was a doctor who came out saying this is bigger than we thought. , yes, and then he died, he died very well, I was very personally, he is 37 years old. she went to a high risk group, I don't think he was a high risk group, I think they made it like a conspiracy theory, so the question was why the 37 year old man, well, but, to go there with you, I am. not far from where you agree with what you're saying, so we're on the same page, what's your opinion on China?

I've had General Spalding here, he was a general in the Air Force, anybody and you know what he did, yeah, he did something. worked in China and came here and didn't hide anything about China, nothing, you know, I mean, he talked about the effects of the five g's on what they're trying to do with Made in China 2025 if I wanted to take over the world, etc. , etc. he wasn't changing there, but I don't know what you think about China. I think we are exaggerating. Let me tell you when I was 70 years old, so I remember when I was 20.

Articles and all the media that the Japanese model is going to take over the whole world, even a country with 100 million people, how they are going to take over the world whole and the Japanese model, their industrial system is far superior to ours, did you read something like this in the last 30 years. Do you know why the Japanese model had big problems with it? Is it also a Chinese model? Do you know what the Chinese have? They have a highly educated technocracy. Very talented scientists. Very intelligent people. They are good businessmen. we have raised a lot of money, we have a billion and a half, no, most of you, however, it is dollars in your sovereign fund, okay, you know what they have, we, what we have, what they don't have, we have very strong, highly functional, resilient. institutions you know what constitutes a society and this is what I teach in my courses what is the difference between a poor country and a rich country it is not that they have rich wealth in rich countries they have institutions that produce wealth the Chinese have weak and corrupt institutions They are trying to fix it.

Did you know how many law schools there were in 1980 in China for four they had 2,000 lawyers throughout the country you can't have a modern car I without a legal system without rule of law there is no economy? You have to have a rule of law, that's fine. Milton Friedman assumed, when the Soviet Union collapsed, that all they had to do was free the markets and everything would be great in the late 1990s, he was at the Cato Institute, a libertarian story said: I made a terrible mistake, no there is rule of law, there is no economic growth and there is a whole school of institutional economics that says that the Chinese have deep dysfunctions in their system that we are not seeing, we are creating a threat, is there a threat, yes, we need one?

To address it, what we are seeing in the pharmaceutical sector is to address it directly, but let's not make a country into a powerful mythological figure when in reality they have deep internal problems and David, by the way, they recognize this, he even spoke to the Chinese privately. They will tell you what's up if you continue. I don't read Mandarin Chinese, but some of my friends do. They said you should see the anger of the Chinese people against their own government. Is incredible. They are saying things they would never say. let's say in a totalitarian or autocratic system because of the level of anger that they believed that the government lied to them, they believed that they knew this was happening for two months before they did something and they are very, there is a lot of anger, there is a lot of fear in the Chinese government of an uprising in China like the one they had in Tiananmen Square, it was not by the way, only 10 minutes from the Square in 1979, when there was an uprising in China, it was throughout the country, the center of it was in Beijing, They were For fear of that happening again, there have been four shocks in China and last year this is the fourth one they had this shock with the African swine flu because prices are going up, which is a major source approaching 130 one hundred and forty percent price increase.

In China, that bothered people a lot, you know, there are huge price increases before housing consolidates, that's one of the things that drove the uprising in China in 1979. The same thing happens now with price increases and a lot of money is spent to maintain the factories. produce things that no one wants, why do they do it? Because they are afraid that unemployment will cause social unrest in the country, so they have many internal problems, but we must understand that they have been manipulating the systeminternational against us. Minutemen, the Russians are doing the same thing, they are using social media to defeat us and we need to be more aware of it.

Half of the anti-vaccine movement comes from Russia, from these Autobots, they're trying to convert Americans to socialism, you know? social media and the disinformation campaign that is exactly what they are saying the US military planted this virus in China that is a blatant lie it is absolutely outrageous why are they doing they are trying to divert attention from their own failures in the early stages From this now they acted later yes they did, but things were slow for two months what were they doing those two months nothing are they suppressing information a democracy cannot suppress information because free press free associations civil society all of our institutions simply do not do it They allow, they cannot suppress information in a democracy.

I do not trust any country that is run with a one-party system where there is no freedom of the press or expression, where the country controls the data. I do not do it. Don't trust any of that. China has been saying its unemployment has been between 2.8 percent and 90 percent over the past 30 years. It drives you crazy to say that you are employing 1.5 billion people and only 3 percent of them are unemployed. jobs then and you were what what what worries me what worries me why is there a community of people in the United States in the media constantly protecting China?

I have had so many intense debates with some of the most powerful people in the world who protect China and it is repeated over and over again and they continue to protect China why there is a community that protects try now to understand this part what is your opinion on this are you in this all the time well, there are some people who have vested interests economic interests intellectual interests they may have friends in China they may be dealing with the Chinese government that is a group of people with a conflict of interest I understand them well, in fact I understand, let's leave them on one side there is a second group of people now I also have some friends in this community who say that if we start provoking the Chinese and they are really suffering internal problems, they could become extremely aggressive internationally, they have a large ground army and We could face a war with them, we do not want to have a war with China, we do not want to have a war with China, it would be a catastrophe for both countries and for the world, we do not need a nuclear Third World War or not to forget the nuclear part, okay, we don't want a conventional war with China, the latter, although the loss of a human population, whether in the military or not, would be enormous, so these are the people who say, well, we just look the other way, okay, We were just when he was in the north, we respected his system, why?

They don't respect their system if they are cheating and the rules and they are using the rules, I think for their own benefit against us and I have a problem with that as many, more and more, because of the way the Chinese think well if Trump is in office this would be an end to the nonsense, the Democrats are saying the same thing now, it is no longer a partisan issue and enough is enough. I can say that too, yes, the pharmaceutical issue. I mean, I'm a free trader of a proper topic. I didn't realize this before. we started studying this, by the way, we raised this issue in our whitepaper in 2018, this is not something we just read, ask for an article because they were circular around the world, but our whitepaper that has been on our website for two years.

Now we said this was a problem two years ago no one listened to it, now they are listening to it, there have been hearings in Congress about this and all that, so we should confront those issues with the Chinese, but what we don't need. It's pushing them so far that we have a conflict with them, I mean a military conflict which is what these things sometimes descend into. In you, you have a different opinion on that, oh yeah, same thing, oh you know, I would add maybe just one more category and I will speak as something like my public health colleagues and that in that world and we like to collaborate.

I like to trust people and there have been many Chinese scientists who have trained in the United States, so there are many of you know, I guess there are friendly relations and colleagues in the scientific and public health community between the U.S. .and China, so there is another factor and that is naivety, um, you know, although you know we are colleagues at that professional level, many do not realize that they may only be able to collaborate to a certain extent and that they may be using that friendship. and collaboration for greater strategic advantage, so naivety is another component of that.

I can totally see I have two more questions before we finish viruses coins money phone where you live you hear a lot of different data 12 hours 18 hours clothes dogs pets sex, what can you tell us about the lifespan of this virus? We talked about all that, well, I mean, you can take any part you want, you have kids, so you know about sex, so what can you tell us about any of this stuff about how? a person could make you know the coronavirus well. I think you know that the main mode of transmission of the coronavirus is going to be from person to person, which is going to be through droplets, so when we call our Steve, it's the droplets that come out of our mouth and Fortunately, those droplets fall to the ground and that's why that this social separation of six feet is recommended, so that's really the main means of transmission.

Now you know, we're starting to understand what the environmental half-life of viruses is if it's on a table on a doorknob, etc., some of those reports are coming out and it may be days, rather than minutes, you know. that there will be a lot more, so that's part of that category in some of the sciences that I didn't know, I didn't know, but we're starting to fill in the gaps and fill in the holes, but you really know that droplet transmission from person to person is really the main means of trance transmission for now for a healthcare worker and hospital in particular.

They may be doing some kind of procedure when caring for a patient that could create an aerosol on an OP in the room that behaves more and can spread more than a droplet, but that's really a special, one-of-a-kind situation. provision of medical care. and in the hospital situation, that is why simple and proven infection control measures at the personal level are so important: wash your hands with soap and water and for 20 seconds they will sing the happy birthday song that lasts about 20 seconds. You know it as a reminder and you know if you are sick, stay home and if you need to seek medical attention by all means, do not hesitate to call the boss so you know what procedures are where you should go so that they do not do it to you. give you instructions on how to get in and you know, call fatik, that's all you know, extremely important, so it's really how to avoid exposure, how to avoid exposing others, you know, think in those simple terms, but it's absolutely essential . to make sure we take those simple things, so six foot droplets, I mean these are some good droplets if you can go with six feet, by the way, it's like they're tiny, tiny, tiny, I'm giving it to you, but that's what we know. we should do I don't know I wash my hands before eating long before the virus I get sick very rarely because the main mechanism, besides droplets, is dirty hands.

I've come to the conclusion that you want to make sure that people under 50 stop working I've come to the conclusion that that's what you are my kids are under 50 I don't want you to love us or stop working so it's okay last last last question and this is my biggest concern. I'm not worried about coronavirus and what I mean by I'm not worried, don't get me wrong, I don't mean you know I'm not. I'm being irresponsible and I have a wife and three children and we're not here. taking the right steps no, I was in Los Angeles, we had a board meeting.

I received the news. I told my wife I'm going back to Los Angeles. It was spring break for the kids. We're trying to get them to Universal Studios. My board meeting. cancel we came back the same day we were supposed to say three four days we are doing these things in the company everything we were being responsible what we have to do as a company okay let's leave that part aside I'm not worried about the coronavirus because I went and looked the numbers on how infectious it is, you know there's a number zero, whatever that number is, you know that shows up, like I say again, no, no, yeah, the number that they looked at on how infectious it is and what so infectious is measles. it was like twelve to sixteen and then once it's fourteen sixteen for measles, yes, it's one, two, two, three, four, coronavirus in a virus, it's twice, it's infectious like the flu is, but here's the part that is not my question, forget about the chronovirus, forget it. about the coronavirus, what worries me is not the coronavirus because yes, these are still bad numbers, you know, 1% of the estimate died and you know the code 919 1.9 to 2.8, whatever, so I'm 121.9 to 1/ 2 to point us to the numbers I got and am looking for. in since I see I see well I am not worried about this what are we going to do because Ebola had a mortality rate of 50% MERS was 34 points for smallpox 30 percent SARS 9.6 what are we going to do in the future 10 years 20 years 30 years you We are in the world in 30 years when when the white pavements are all this, yes and I want to get the answers, we will put your book of white papers, what will we do in the future, when we contract a virus that is as infectious as measles and as deadly as Ebola, what are we going to do there to be able to prevent it suddenly after the population in the world dies?

Well, first let me explain why some viruses spread. in the world and some don't, at the end of the day, a virus needs to have a live host, so you know the bad news is that it has more than 40 50 percent lethality, but also those that catch a ball, you know that they have it. and that is why Ebola containment measures are so effective or can be effective that they do not get out of control, so Ebola can really be controlled, if we could have another crisis like the one we had in West Africa or the one we it's happening right now in the DRC but it didn't spread around the world, could it spread more in the world for sure because of our globalization but every virus is different and some of these really high lethality viruses need a living host and that is why containment measures are extremely important so that we can stop it?

That's why it doesn't keep finding a live host now, that's why it's worrying if it has it, it has a case fatality rate that's actually much lower, but you know, it saves 1%, but if it spreads around the world And you know. infects only in the United States now some of the numbers that you're using before 60 70 he'll have his mini you know if it's in that range well, that 1% mortality rate is actually quite concerning and that number is kind of high, but what we need to do is really let me get to what we need to do first, we need to take emerging infectious diseases much more seriously than we have in the past.

I agree, that's really the problem. and these have actually become not just the domain of public health, they are really national security issues, health security issues, so we have some of the tools at hand that can really get started if we focus our efforts on start thinking about Prevention first, going to court requires some investment, but first we have to start taking emerging infectious diseases much more seriously than we do today and maybe coveting 19 is a wake-up call, but guess what? Was it supposed to be SARS? wake up call 2009 a pandemic that was supposed to be a wake up call or ball in West Africa in 2014 2016 that was supposed to be a wake up call I just hope we can't hit the snooze button after this is Oh I can tell you for personal experience that the role of aid agencies like USAID and our NGO community and our elf contractors and contractors is to build the capacity of developing countries to address their own problems so that they can control these infections before they get out control the current trend is that 75 percent of the 40 new diseases that have emerged between infected people and humans in the last 50 years come from wild and domesticated animals, mostly wild animals, but domestic animals.

There are now no institutions in many of these countries to prevent this from happening. They can prevent it. They can reduce it. Those wet markets in China where you saw live animals have been a problem for decades. The Chinese government would do nothing about it. now they banned them, they should abandon it a long time ago and they know it, but they didn't want to do it because it is verypolitically unpopular. There is a study that was done on the HIV/AIDS program that President Bush started and that President Obama continued, that is not true. a partisan question and about Senator Daschle's malaria program was a Republican Senator Emma Craddock was a Democratic Republican majority leader in the Senate or II and Forest Hill was built, for example, Bill Frist is the Republican leader in the interior, for What the former Republican senators are Democrats, they here run this bipartisan Policy Center and they analyzed why Ebola did not spread in Africa, why it was contained to only three countries and it is because the HIV/AIDS program and the malaria program they developed the capacity of the Nigerian Center for Disease Control there is no big outbreak in Nigeria it is a huge country it is a quarter of Africa it is Nigeria why didn't you get Lucis right next door?

It is because the Nigerian Center for Disease Control which was trained by USAID and the Center for Disease can be our Center for Disease Control CDC together helped build this Institute that Nigerians built and it was very effective in preventing the virus from spreading. spread to Nigeria, so one thing that is not very popular for a lot of people is to have aid programs that create institutions and other countries to deal with this because the only way to deal with these outbreaks is in the country itself, that is where We are, most of these dangerous viruses are emerging in lower middle income countries where we lack public health institutions. capabilities and that's where you know foreign aid can be very critical because we can, if we can prevent, if we can first detect an outbreak there and then if we give them the tools to be able to respond, they can stop the outbreak before it becomes a regional epidemic or pandemic RER and that's why these international laws are one thing we can do, yes, we need to fix the federal government.

I mean, I don't mean the entire government. I mean, regarding the pen, there are a lot of questions that haven't been resolved who is responsible for what and how do you turn the switch when you turn on the emergency response system now, when I'm going to get into it here, but Jerry is member of the bipartisan Commission. for biodefense, yes, and I tried it, he asked me to testify before, I did and he is very. I mean, you should read his report. It's a very powerful report that needs to be done, so there are issues that haven't been resolved because of both senior policymakers.

The parties have not seen this as a problem so far. SARS may have been a wake-up call, but the people they saw in the newspaper did not affect them personally. That's right, this is history, tension in the middle distance and on the streets, this is not something to be taken lightly. you know, you know, when you grow up, it's you, you're afraid of nuclear war, oh my God, you know nuclear war and then for the last 15 years you hear your body say you know it's not going to be nuclear, it's going to be a war. cybernetics. that's what it's going to be, well, I mean, the easiest way to manipulate any kind of war and try to harm the country is through biological warfare that, you know, you study, it's like that for me and when I feel and I look at the numbers I see how my data common math guy I'm a guy who studies exponential growth.

We started a business from 66 agents to 14,000 agents in 40 United States because the idea was how can we grow exponentially, so that's the only thing I paid attention to in high school. and university was the only thing in math, everything else I didn't care about, so when I look at the data, I look at it from a different perspective that worries me, you know, here's one thing that you said that you said that you can control in the country, so This happens in Hubei Wuhan, which is part of the 50 to 60 million people living in that area, whatever the number is, 450 out of 60 and then it goes to Thailand, the first country.

I think that's the case and then he goes to Thailand, somehow he gets to us because the guy was traveling to Washington and he was in China. A 30 year old guy gets the first case and then in all 750 hundred states, how many countries were out at this time. I don't know exactly the things that will be more than one hundred and sixty. It's fine now and it's not as contagious as some of these others, so my challenge is that if you have a daughter and she's 18, she's dating a guy who has AIDS, not because she contracted it through sex, but because maybe his mother had it. and the blood, something I'm trying to tell you is: would you let your daughter date this guy?

Wouldn't you have certain fears? So if we know that China has a wet market, why is it okay with us? You know the trips they take. Don't create more travel restrictions if you know why the country likes us that has the authority to tell China, listen, if you don't clean house with the way you do this kind of thing, I don't do business with you, we won't allow you. its people travel to us so to resolve this concern long term me as a parent and as a person who runs a business is going to travel if we don't if this has to be addressed through travel if it's not addressed through travel and it is very easy to do it with all countries eventually if someone has the virus, it will be Momo, Momo will come to you, you never know where it comes from.

I don't know the answer, it will cause a new review, a rethinking of supply chains, a deep rethinking of supply. I hope so, no. only pharmaceutical in this industry because now Apple realizes that they have five countries or seven countries that produce the components of an iPhone that is produced in China, if one of those sequential parts of the supply chain is closed, they cannot produce the iPhone they have. I have created a system that is highly efficient and keeps the price low. That's the United States. I know it's America's fault. Sorry, it's just a ball of ice.

You are right because there are two reasons why the consumer wants to pay cheaper and the businessman wants to sell it to obtain higher profits. Well, guess what it's probably going to be 20% more, but guess what it's made in America and the point at which it's made in America, you don't want it, don't buy it, you know? If you want, I'll buy a cheaper product made in the USA, but it's not as good a product, right? You don't have to buy this, but III. I think there are more and more bragging rights about companies that say made in USA.

I think that's going to go to a whole different level when you see a company that says made in USA. I want to buy the product and support, let me mention one last thing we could do. We could send. CDC was trying to do it. AI D was trying to do it. Financing was cut off. Nobody took it too seriously. AI. D was identifying the 2,000 viruses, which are the ones that, because there are like 150,000 viruses, they have done it to five somethings. I don't know what the exact number is but it is a huge number but the majority are not a threat that they identified through a project that AID led with funding from Congress that came out of I think 19 Ebola was out of the Ebola supplemental budget and created a system to identify those viruses and then set up a penny surveillance system around the world to give us early warning we have a warning system early for famines that we started in 1985 there has been a substantial drop for the first time in 150 the first time in history there has been a massive drop in deaths from famine it is because we have an early warning system to tell us when this is about to happen We need an early warning system around the world when these virus outbreaks occur and to give us time to know what the biggest problem in the response is the time Oh, three weeks in an emergency response and a start disaster fast like this takes a lot of time if you made decisions.

You know, the first week this happens. I agree that I can stop it. I totally agree, yes, but you need a surveillance system, yes, but you can't do it if it's somewhere else. country that is not doing it at the levels that you are doing it, that is what I am saying and I said: if you are not in charge of it, if you can establish a system, you may be able to establish a system, but if They don't want to follow the rules, totalitarian type, what are you going to tell them how to behave? I get it, but there is a way to check out what's going on in other countries without being yourself in terms of Americans in those countries. so we have to do more to get earlier warning, we have to do more internationally to build capacity and try to prevent an outbreak anywhere from starting to become an epidemic, but we also have to do more in our own country , so that whenever we have a major outbreak like what pandemic we can respond better in the United States and we have to have incentives for the private sector to be more part of the solution that we can't depend on too much, say the CDC for testing laboratory as an example and Therefore, if we need to put systems in place to make the private sector part of the preparedness activity from the beginning, we can't just turn it on like a switch when there is a crisis, find a way to make it cost-effective. absent, you know absolutely, yes, it's difficult, but we've been talking about this for a long time, but we have to figure it out.

You find a way to give them that credit, by the way, anything that fights against these five, do you have anything to do with this? at all have you seen some have you seen any reports would I or would not I have nothing good partner one the conspiracies five of you by the way I don't know if you have seen that the conspiracy vibrates G, go look for it that is related to this, oh yes , oh yeah, they're saying that five g with the waves is helping this spread. I don't know if I follow any of this with 5g5 just thread it well that's a completely different topic I don't want to get into it all I can say is this I really enjoyed this conversation I mean it's a couple of hours for me it feels like five minutes thank you so much for your help and for coming and giving we have all the information and we're willing to take some of the questions and answer because that's how we all learn and hopefully from this if we can if we have more questions and this will be formulated a little more in the audience once you guys come back, hopefully.

We can invite you guys back, thank you very much for coming. I would shake your hand, but you know why, yeah, thanks guys, thanks by the way, if you watch this interview, you're going to want some of those articles that we're on. Speaking of the police, click on a link, but we'll leave that up to you and on top of that I have two other videos I want you to watch. One of them is an interview I did with General Spaulding, General of the Air Force, who went and lived in China as part of his project, then his duty and came back and gave a talk once that got him in trouble and he ended up being fired.

It's a very, very powerful video that talks about 5g and a lot of different things that China is doing. and then the other video is a video that I made about the coronavirus that talks about how the coronavirus shut down the world and it's very, very deep, if you have a watch, just don't click on this one if you want to see General Spaulding do that and if You have not subscribed to the channel, please do so. Thanks for watching. Take care, but goodbye.