Ben Shapiro: Civil Discourse | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

boss of the Daily Wire and host of the nationally syndicated Westwood One radio show and podcast, The Ben Shapiro Show, Ben Shapiro, I Appreciate You. I always say this. The conservatives will come to our program. I'm a little jealous of their guts because they have more guts than liberals. Liberals don't go to conservative shows, some

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s they didn't come to this show, so I appreciate it because you know the crowd isn't with you. I have that impression, yes, but yes, we should, but we ran, let's be

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ized. right, that's the tone of the day and I'm the fan, okay, so I fit in well, let's see if I'm a fan, let's see the other's fan in the end, let's admire, but I just want to say that it seems like we're living in an Age of outright tribalism and I think you and I have some things in common, other than we both weren't invited to Berkeley, but we've been coy about our affiliation, like I never wanted to say I was a Democrat.

I always voted for Democrats. but I was very disappointed, you know, you've been coy about you being a Republican, you're a conservative or I think I'm a Democrat now and like all the Republicans now support Trump except the ones that are leaving, but he totally owns that party now. If you're conservative, aren't you

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ly team with Trump? Well, it depends on what, so what I have called myself some

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s is Trump, okay, people said that there is never a Trump and there is always sometimes Trump means that when he does something that I like I applaud him and when he does something that I I hate it, what happens, so I boo him and heck just as loud as you when he does something that's

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ly bad, but listen, you're so annoying about the Supreme Court nominee.

I am very happy with the Supreme Court nominee as a right conservative. He now he is doing a lot of things that I like in terms of politics. That doesn't mean he's shirking his character because I think that's the case. very difficult to animate Donald Trump's character nor do I think he is appropriate well, what do you like? Well, then I like tax cuts. I like to collect taxes. By the way, it hurts me in California, but I like it as a general policy, ladies, he's rich. He's fine. but he look, I don't even know what Republican beliefs are.

I mean, you're a young guy, but you certainly remember that two years ago, when those beliefs were completely the opposite of what they are now, when it comes to free trade, they were gigantic deficit hawks. Yeah, the Tea Party was trying to let's solve the deficit, but they didn't do it that well, the Democrats can't do it either, so I know, but they didn't say they were right, the Tea Party kept saying we have. I have to reduce this deficit. It has increased by a trillion dollars in six months. What about Russia? They used to be the enemy.

What about free trade? It's been very frustrating for me to see so many Republicans do exactly that. I've been incredibly critical of Republicans who have suddenly become fans of Vladimir Putin or suddenly become fans of tariffs. I think that's all idiotic, but again I think with respect to the judges with respect to taxes with respect to Middle East policy, particularly Iran, in Israel. I'm a much bigger fan of President Trump than I certainly would have been of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, and I certainly didn't vote for the president. of the last election because of my concerns about him, okay, so you wouldn't vote for a Democrat under any circumstances or any circumstances.

I mean, I would say some circumstance, but the Democratic Party would have to stop being crazy, which means they would actually have to get closer. kind of like restraint in terms of politics and also presenting a face that doesn't look like people yelling at people in gas stations or walking into restaurants and trying to kick them out, well, if you're talking about

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ity, why don't we do it? start with the republicans stop saying lock her up you don't think it's worse a winter bridge just lock her up he talked about locking up come on, he's talking about locking up journalists there's a guy who said he locked up tim kaine how about we stop?

Lock them up, shouldn't the disability arguments start before we worry about who gets their main course? Well, it's not just about who gets your entree. I'm not going to make excuses about which is more important. Well, I think it's all like that. important if you're going to ask me it's bad across the board yes but they can't be advisors they just impose on us okay you're only opposed to incivility when it's inclusive Donald Trump but suddenly Maxine Waters aunt Maxine , because Ben. You can't walk into a Roman tea, an elephant into a mouse and not know which is bigger, but it's no offense, no mouse, it's actually two years, yeah, threatening to take out six hundred officers to protect me in Berkeley, yeah , it is an elephant and an elephant yes, it is an elephant an elephant a trilobite in 2010 Romney who is going to chain them all again on the blacks these things preexisted how productive they are terrible they did not come from the president in Berkeley, they came from the vice president when he was saying that Mitt Romney, the cleanest person who ever lived, was a guy who will take them all back and change them to pretend that civility began with Donald Trump, not instability at the level it is at.

If it were his time, do you really think Donald Trump? respect the rule of law, I mean if someone doesn't, and I think the Constitution itself is a pretty durable document, thank goodness, I've read your tweets like Kamala Harris's, yeah, I have some problems with her too, but You would vote for Trump over her. yeah tell me why okay so the reason I would vote for Trump and not her is because I agree with him much more on politics and in fact I think a lot of the damage he has done to the country In terms of social fabric it has already been done.

It happened then I said I didn't vote for him in 2016. The reason I didn't vote for him in 2016 is because I feared the damage he would do to the social fabric and I also didn't think he was going to govern conservatively. because I didn't see many indicators that his government was much more conservative than I thought it was going to be and as far as the damage to the social fabric, if he has already done it, I'm not really mitigating the damage to the social fabric by not voting in 2020 can I read? Here's something we agree on and then I'll show you where we don't.

This is Kamala Harris tweeted that children are the future of our nation, we should listen to them to worry about and give them a voice in our government and you wrote ridiculous. I'm with you his children don't have a voice and I think I know what he meant but it's poorly worded and you wrote that children shouldn't have a voice in our government his children and you're right this is where the left drives me crazy but then you wrote about children, they too are incapable of completely rational thought, completely uncivilized and completely driven by an immediate emotional response.

I can't think of a more perfect here. description of Donald Trump you didn't see the irony when you wrote that tweet and described the children that way, it never occurred to you that Donald Trump fit perfectly well. I don't think Donald Trump is a person whose opinions are guiding in my imagination where the country should go. I mean, I don't look at Donald Trump's intellectual leader. I would look at the intellectual leader of a child. I don't look at those, he is not a leader, are you talking? about him being the president he says he's not the intellectual leader no, couldn't he have thought of something?

I don't know, Kenny, tell me, I don't know well, it seems to me that his only thoughts are to work with Vladimir Putin to make Russia. Great again and what I don't understand is that Obama was tougher on Putin in terms of his rhetoric. His actions armed the people of Ukraine with deadly weaponry, which Obama would not do. 200 Russian soldiers were killed in Syria by US forces under Donald Trump, not under Barack Obama Barack Obama, who sang to Dmitry Medvedev that he wanted to bribe him with flexibility in 2012, Crimea was annexed under Barack Obama. Wow, this reminds me of when the Hitchin people would just come on the show and try to convince me that Saddam Hussein was a radical Islamist when in fact he was a secularist, you have to go a long way to make that argument.

I mean, yesterday he tweeted defending Putin from what our own agency says, which said that Russia is again saying that they did in metal, not election, what a lot of bad things, why so much wood, why there have been 19 accusations and six condemnations so far in the circle of mullahs. Creek, why so many lies about so many meetings with so many Russians, so many attempts to have a secondary channel. sources what really thinks that Donald Trump colluded admitting that yes, I don't do it because I saw that campaign. I don't think Donald Trump could collude with his own left foot, well, I don't think he did it, but you know, his son did it.

They are the people who and when the evidence comes out, I am happy to go for the accusations. I am fine, he is fine, excellent criminal activities, criminal act, but you see, he did not do it, but he used it in the face of ignorance, who has done it well, is not too ignorant. He's not too ignorant to be a lifelong criminalist on Trump's Defender here, but is he a fool or is he an evil genius? You have to pick one, okay, not really, you don't have to pick one, really look, I'm not. saying that he is like Hitler, here I am marrying a friend Hitler was crazy and was a genius at what he did, which was lying and manipulating people so that they could both be well, but let's go back to Russia because, first of all, I understand why what a good Jewish boy how you want to be on the betrayal team.

I have no idea, friend. I'm happy to wait for Muller's accusations to come and target Trump. I am happy to see them working on the impeachment. I need to see evidence, but you know the Republican. We saw it in Congress this week with Rosenstein in Congress, they're trying to impeach Rosenstein so they can get rid of him, so we never see it, they don't want us to ever see it, they know there's probably something. There are a thousand things in there that are incredibly damning, okay, don't think that if they accuse Rosenstein, yeah, some present line for you, I don't know, it's the final line because there's still another step that needs to happen.

Rosen's scene has to be replaced. by someone who then fires Muller, so Steen, frozen, is fired and Muller is left alone, which is basically, by the way, what happened with this investigation when Comey was fired, so I don't see where the line is, Muller is the one who matters. No report here goes to the Deputy Attorney General and if Trump puts Scott Baio in that position he can just throw him in the trash and if he throws him in the trash or quashes the Muller investigation then yes, impeachment should be on the table . Thanks Ben. I want to do it again.

I appreciate you coming. I know Friday night is hard for you. Okay, Ben Shapiro. I'll shake your hand.