America Reacts: Dr. Phil’s Interview With Donald Trump | Episode 225 | Phil in the Blanks Podcast

It's a psychological

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you're doing, you're a kind of psychiatrist. I've watched your show a lot over the years. People break down, oh, they start crying on the show. I said that will never happen to me. There is an addiction to Revenge. no one would blame you you can say it ends here it ends with me what do you say to yourself When the crowds are not applauding what is the hardest and darkest moment I don't think I said this on the air before last week 12 The jurors deliberated for two days and returned a verdict finding Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records, leading to an unprecedented felony conviction not only of a former president but also of the Republican Party's front-runner.

Donald Trump has professed his innocence and defiantly outside the courtroom called the trial a rigged embarrassment and claimed the real verdict will come when the presidential votes are counted on November 5. I traveled to Mara Lago to sit down one on one with President Trump for an unfiltered, no holds barred

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and I promise you no topic was off limits, but I don't endorse candidates so I also want to sit down with President Biden and Kennedy because everyone needs to vote and not just vote, but make informed votes. It is an honor to be with you. Let me just. say it's SC look at that logo I've seen that idiot a long time ago you look good I feel good I feel good no pressure it's nice to live a life without pressure some corruption surrounded by corrupt judges and corrupt politicians other than that there's no pressure, well, you know, you and I talked the other night and I've worked in procedural science, uh, for much of my career, so I have a particular interest in the dynamics of the trial process, you're fighting this fight and defending rights. due process and combating prosecutorial misconduct and abuse.

You know it was interesting when you called the other day to do an interview. Many people want to do interviews and I don't accept them very easily, but I have always had great respect for you. I watch your show, some of the really good ones and some of the less intellectual ones and that's fine too, but it's always been that way. You have always been very special and I knew that in some way you were very special. I'm very involved with the trials and I thought it was very interesting that you addressed this, it's a very important thing, well, I wanted to do it and I know that today some news came out of Georgia, today some news came out of Florida. that they are moving away from this and very good news.

I called the other day and I don't know if you saw it, but at Meritt Street Media, where I do my show now, I asked President Biden to stop all of this now. and of course a lot of people said oh he can't stop it, it's a state case, well okay that's an explanation for stupid people, but for people who understand how this works behind the scenes and everything I'm saying is the same thing , they need to stop this. They need to stop pursuing him since he started his campaign in 2015 to run for office, there have been so many attempts to get him off the board before he even started his campaign and then once he was in office two impeachment opportunities changed the rules to try to turn it into high crimes and misdemeanors if there were business conflicts and then this case and this case never ends it seems to have no end and that's a distraction for you um and you know, I really wonder how that affects you.

Tell yourself about it because it seems endless, it's something that never ends. uh there's a term that I know you've heard many times, it's called Trump derangement syndrome and no one has ever seen anything like it, um, in a way, we totally push them. crazy because we're doing the right thing, you wonder why anyone would want to have open borders where people are coming from jails, prisons where they're coming from mental institutions and, as you know better than anyone, they're coming in. We are releasing people from all over the world, not just South America, from psychiatric institutions, jails and prisons and, uh, their terrorists are coming in the thousands and they are coming to our country and who would allow this.

You know, it's common sense, not conservative. If they would dedicate their vote with that same skill and talent to making America great again, that would really be a wonderful thing, but in the meantime we're beating them, you know? You mentioned that I was accused twice and I won twice very easily, very quickly, we had a great time. support of the Republican Party. I have all these cases my whole life. I didn't have any problems and suddenly, in a matter of months, I ended up with four cases. Now, of course, they are from the White House and the Department of Justice. they totally control the state case, in fact, I'm not even allowed to talk about certain aspects of it because I have a gag order, think about it.

I am the Republican candidate. I was president and I am leading the current Democrat. a lot and I'm not. I have a gag order from a local judge who was appointed by the local Democratic Party. A local judge is a local person and he was appointed and put a gag on him. No one has seen anything like it while you. I'm campaigning while I'm a Campa, as you just mentioned the issue I can't talk about. Can you imagine I'm the Republican candidate and I can't speak because of a local New York judge appointed by the Democrats?

He said I can't talk about that, it's very unfair and then he presents a charge to the jury. No one has ever heard of a charge like this. He gave instructions to the jury, and by the way, the jury was in a place that had almost no Republicans. I understand that yes, there are 8713 in the last two elections, Republican, and I know that you can't talk about that. I'm not under a gag order. I do know that the number three person at the Department of Justice took a pay cut and went down. tall to go to a state job and become one of the lead prosecutors in this case, but they still say, hey, Dr.

Phil, why are you saying that, that President Biden needs to stop all of this, is the case state, that's exactly why I. I'm saying don't be naive, people understand that there's a power play here, it's controlled by the White House and the Department of Justice 100%, you know, Jard Baker wrote today in the Wall Street Journal and I'm paraphrasing, but he said , what are you doing? We say to those people who rejoice in reducing the law to the status of a weapon in the hands of the dominant political power, uh, because that is what is happening right now, it has become a weapon and that is not what it is intended for , that's not what we need to be. do, I mean, let's let the people decide this, that's right, uh, that was a very good statement in the Wall Street Journal.

I read it this morning and uh, it's so true, I mean, it's so accurate that they've weaponized it to a level that they're trying to affect the election with degrading pain and anyway and, by the way, I think that after the elections will still have enough hate to go, but with much less enthusiasm, this is approximately November 5th, which I believe will be the most important day in the history of our country, if we do not change this, we will no longer we will have one country left. Well, you, we're a country of laws, right, I mean, and that's what made us so orderly. allowed us to move forward and there is something called hornbook laws or black letter law which are just these things that have been around for so long and in your case were violated one after another, for example, it doesn't allow someone who has been charged in the same case as someone else and they made a plea deal and said, "okay, I'm guilty of doing this because they were intimidated into doing it." The lawyer in your case we don't even need to say his name.

The exchange. From under 65 years old, we looked at 65 years in prison to 3 years and two years in this case and a tax case, so we went from 65 years to 5 years in exchange for giving them testimony against them that they are not supposed to show up, but pecker made a deal, a non-prosecution agreement that he's not supposed to get in, but he did, he got in the jury box, they had to listen to all that and then they said, well, you know, if we're not here down for the reasons. They are saying that then we need an alternative explanation that they are not allowed to get because their expert witness who was going to come and say like a former president of the electoral commission was going to say that this was examined, there is no there are no problems here, they were not allowed that person would speak, uh, testify and I'm looking at this saying how are the jury supposed to solve this problem if they don't have all the pieces of the puzzle that they wouldn't hear. they didn't want to talk to them they didn't want to hear his testimony they knew what he was going to say he was going to say it was 100% and very important when they tell someone you're going to go to jail for 15 years unless you say bad things about this guy. named Trump, okay, to be fair, we know a lot of great people, but you don't know many who would say, I'm not going to do what they want, yeah, you walk up to someone and They say, Dr.

Phil, he's going to the Jail for 15 years unless you say bad things about Trump and if you say bad things you won't go to jail at all, in fact we will make him a hero or you. are you going to go for three months or are you going to go for a short period of time how many people are there that say you know I'm not going to do that? There have been people, yes, that's right, and those are in my opinion these are great people what they have done to the people who work for me is incredible incredible the threats To take a gentleman who has been with me for years and tell him that He will go to jail for 15 years unless they say and he went back to jail a second time I guess they didn't want him to testify.

I don't know what exactly happened, but the threats made to this man destroyed his life. These are fascists, you know, they're really bad people, Phil, and but. Who is going to do it? You're going to go to jail for 15 years or you're going to go for 30 or 40 days or you're going to go without time but you have to say bad things about Trump, yeah, and that's bullying. and you and some of these people, you look at their age, you look at their health and for some of them it could be a death sentence and then you make a deal and that's what I'm talking about, that's what I mean when I say prosecution.

Abuse, has anyone ever approached you and tried to get you to make a deal? Drop out make a deal here we'll leave you alone no they didn't but I think they would if they had offered it. I don't think they know me well enough, I think they really do, but uh oh, if I hadn't been an example, I never would have had any of these lawsuits. What if they prosecute me for a person I don't have? no idea who he is I have no idea who he is I have to pay 91 million dollars and that judge was just as bad just as corrupt a corrupt judge I have to pay 91 million to a woman I have no idea who she is she wrote a book and she made a statement in the book and you know that case is a disaster and then you, but I have no idea who she is, and they said I did things, these people are corrupt and in some cases incompetent, but it is a great honor to be able to have for someone like you to see it and see it so clearly and I knew it, I mean, I remember years ago you were helping Oprah get out of the lawsuit and it was having a big impact on her and I thought it was great, and you know .

Oprah really liked me, she was here many times she loved my keyme pie, we have keine pie and she loved a lot of things about maralago and, uh, Roger King, as you know, yeah, we were here for Roger K's funeral, right , a long time ago. It is the only funeral we have had in Mar Lago. I said maybe we can do a new business here. We will operate as a funeral home, but it was one of the most beautiful funerals in the ballroom behind us and he was there. great guy, but and Oprah is great, but once I announced that she was running and I said, we have to have strong borders, we have to have this, we have to have that, huh.

We've lost touch as the expression goes, but I remember. when you were very involved in helping Oprah, well that's what I'm saying, it's been over and over again and you know it was another black card for a long time that you just don't do it, the judge tells you okay, you can testify, but I'm I'm going to let them ask you about this person that you now owe $91 million to. I'm going to let them ask you about this other case. I'm going to let them ask you about 10 contempt citations I've given you. I'm going to let you ask about all of those things, what does any of that have to do with the issues that you have? and the answer is zero, that gets to the jury box, if it gets back on the stand, that's the black letter, you can't allow unrelated things to come in that have a more detrimental impact than the evidentiary nature, that just doesn't happen, but one, two, three things happened in a row and, if you testify, they can ask you about all of them. these different things and by the way if you say one thing it is if you say it was a beautiful day as I remembered and it was raining we are going to accuse you of perjury, yes, yes, and I will tell you what I have. a lot of lawyers who are friends and this and I probably had 25 guys over the course of a couple of months who said whatever you do, don't testify because you'll say something that's a little bit out of line and you'll be accused of lying. for perjury these are evil people these are sick and evil people oh I myself would be in front of your car to prevent you from testifying no, I really wanted toto do so and by the way I would have loved to testify about those things because he was so corrupt and so horrible but he would not have allowed me to answer the questions correctly and then I would have loved to have testified.

He wanted to do it. I'm telling you, they had to hold me back, but all the lawyers that came always start saying, by the way, I'm afraid you won't testify and they saw what he did. he was doing everything they could ask him about anything they could do, nothing to do with this case, all these outside things and it was really an unfair trial, there is a very brilliant judge in Florida who is holding up the government, it seems I mean that She is investigating what happened because you know that they raided Maralago and took things from the Satchel.

I mean, they took bags and TS bags and stuff and I was like, what are they taking? Are they saying what they're taking away because they can add things that I can add the nuclear codes in there, they say, hey, he had the nuclear codes and this was all something that under the presidential records act it allows me to do because of the way Biden he was totally exonerated, now I'm not sure I want that kind of an exoneration, they basically said he's incompetent to stand trial, but he could be president. Think about how he's not, he's not smart enough, he doesn't have memory, he doesn't know that he's incompetent, they're basically saying that he can't be judged because of his incompetence. but he can run for president, what's going on, where, what are we missing here, yeah, it makes everyone uncomfortable with that situation and what I was worried about with everything that happened in this New York trial, is there one of The big myths is that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, which is the law, but I can tell you after years and years and years of trial that the truth is that the jury sits there and says, "I'm looking at everything." this and if we're not down here." For the reason they say we are here, someone needs to give me an alternative explanation for why we are here.

So if we're not here because of what prosecutors tell us, then what's the alternative story? What's the alternative explanation? when they gag you the way this judge gagged this case, they're sitting there saying what the rest of the story is, you can't testify because you're in danger, they let all this other stuff in? you should never get in the jury box, so you know the balance tips and it becomes very, very difficult to even get a juror because there is no alternative story that if you could tell without being in danger, if you could tell without feeling intimidated It would be a very different situation, the legal burden falls on the prosecution, but logically on the jury until his innocence is proven, that is exactly the truth.

I can tell you that's the truth with me, that's how it plays out and I and I did a focus group on this when I did a program on this on Meritt Street and I had 250 people in a focus group and I said, and overwhelmingly people were for it. your favor, but I found those who had questions and told them what your question is. He said where there's smoke there's fire I didn't hear the other side I'm sitting here and you've indirectly asked me a couple of questions so simple to answer that I'd love to answer and yet if I do, this guy is going to he's willing to put you in trouble. jail, okay, this is an appointed acting judge, he's an appointed acting judge and he's willing to do it and he's so conflicted, it's very sad, but you know, you do things for your country and I see it, I think if my country We were not involved because people ask both questions.

I get these questions from very tough guys like you, the biggest guys on Wall Street, you know people that you read about, you know, but they're tough, they're tough men and women, but I. Getting asked the question frequently is number one, question number one. I understand how you put up with it. How do you do it? How do you get up in the morning, put on your clothes and go to work? I understand it because people are not envious. and the other one I get is: will they do it again?, that is, will they cheat?, will they do it again?, will it happen again?

Well, I have a different question than how to ask. My question is: Why do I understand? How do I know you have tough skin? You are not one of those people who suffers from the need to be loved by strangers. I understand that I believe it to be true. My question is not how you do it. My question is: why do you do it? Why let's be realistic? You are a billionaire You have a big family You are a very dedicated father People may not see this in you because you keep it private, but my question is why do you subject yourself to this like that? there is a movement in this country called Maga and Biden is always fighting it we will stop Magga Maga is to make America great again and we were doing it you know I had an administration that was a tremendous success even the enemies, I mean, we had the largest economy in history.

We had the best employment numbers in history, that's why I'm doing so well with the black and Hispanic vote, they had the best employment numbers they've ever had, we were doing things that were incredible and I was going through Russia, Russia, Russia's deception. I was going through the impeachment issue, you know all that and you know it in a way. I joked that someone said can you imagine what I could have done because I had one of the most successful presidencies and yet I was constantly fighting the lunatics of the radical left? They're deranged, they're, they're, it's like a derangement syndrome, but I actually said, you know, maybe in some ways I did better because I showed something, but maybe if I had had too much time on my hands I would have gone too far and the administration would not have been as successful as it was when you look at our employment numbers.

I rebuilt the army. Biggest tax cuts ever. Biggest tax cuts bigger than Reagan's tax cuts. The biggest regulatory cuts in history. I'm left wondering why, because look at this. everyone calls it inflation but affordability when we talk about gasoline under his Administration average 257 per gallon under Biden 361 40% more under his Administration average housing uh $320,000 under the Biden Administration $31% more $420,000 under his Administration interest rates 3.8 average under the offer Administration 39% more to 5.3% well now let's look at the border uh below you there is an average of 1.7 million border crossings your official number is 6.4 that's from Homeland Security actually it's about 13 million because I know I've been on the border.

I spoke to the border guards there, Brandon Jud. I've spoken to Jason Jones. I've talked to the people who really know the numbers, they say it's between 10 and 13 million, so my point is that when you look at the actual numbers plus the things that you just talked about about lower taxes, higher tax revenues, you look at that and you'd say, Oh my God, he should run unopposed. I mean, why and these numbers. I just appreciate it, but and these numbers are really, I don't know who. As an example, I had gasoline at 187, not 257, now it is almost $4, very soon it will be $5, it is going to go up a lot.

I took very conservative numbers so people couldn't discuss interest rates. It was at 2.6% they're at 3.8 and now they're at 9% 10% you can't get money so you know we did a great job we did a great job so here's the question most people see this from the point of view that they ask themselves a question, is my life better under this administration or is it better under this administration my quality of life my ability to pay for my children's lunch tennis shoes take them to the dentist get all the different things that are related to the quality of life and when we look at that is it wasn't even close, why are people so strongly against President Donald J.

Trump? Well, I think to some extent it has happened, not necessarily against me. I think Democrats vote out of habit. I'll give you an example. I was the best. president of Israel in the Golan Heights, uh, all the things I did for Israel and yet I get less than 50% of the vote, it's shocking to me and Biden is a disaster and Obama was a disaster for Israel with the nuclear deal with Iran that everyone approved. You know, which was basically a path to nuclear weapons and I say why and I say it's a habit, they're used to voting for Democrats, black people are used to voting for Democrats, but they're getting out of it, they're smart.

They're seeing what happened, they're seeing Criminal Justice Reform, they're seeing the black colleges and universities, I funded them, they're seeing all the things I've done, no one could do what I did, I said that and people sometimes smile. , but it's actually true. I'm the best president for black people since Abraham Lincoln and black people are seeing that and now we have numbers that, as a Republican, I don't think anyone has ever had. I hope you go out and vote for I was in Jerusalem and I interviewed Prime Minister Netanyahu, yes, he said that the Abraham Accords, yes, that they were achieved, he said he had no words to describe what it presented for Israel in terms of security, in In terms of the ability to bring peace and stability to that region, that's very nice the way you say it and, by the way, great for the Arab community.

It was also great for both of them and they are working very well. The only problem is that we had four countries signed. real leaders would have made everyone sign up would have made Iran sign up people laugh when I say Iran was bankrupt I said anyone buying from Iran you can't do business with the US Iran was bankrupt and almost They didn't have money they didn't have money to finance Hamas or Hezbollah they didn't have money they were broke they would have made a deal a week after the elections that result was very dangerous for our country but we did great things and I think that's what people see Yes you want to go back to where we were, you had high-level positions in sharp applications that you didn't fill correctly and thousands more mid-level positions that you didn't fill and you generated over $4 trillion in tax revenue for the first time in history. right, with the tax cuts, lower tax rates, higher tax revenues, they brought business to the country, so why are people so strongly against you?

Are you receiving messages? I don't think so, I really think it's a hundred years as an example with African Americans for a hundred years, Democrats. I've run cities for 100 years. I used to say 50. They said you're wrong. I said you have to be kidding me. It's a hundred years. It is a habit. They get used to it, but they are learning that habits are broken over many years. different ways U I also think you have a fake news that doesn't report it the way they should report it look, the news has been proven to be totally fake and it's 95% on the other side, that's what I don't understand why.

Why do people want open borders where millions of people have entered our country and you see what is happening with the crime rate? You know, the other day a scary statistic came out in Venezuela, karakus, different cities, have transferred many of these criminals. in the United States and now happily in a place near you, near your home, Venezuela, the Congo, they are empty in the prisons of the Congo, we have a lot of people leaving the prisons of the Congo, but the prison populations are very low in everywhere. around the world no one wants to talk about it prison population and mental institution something you deal with a lot you know more about a mental institution than me that's your world it's what you do better than anyone else as far as I'm concerned you know the The population of mental institutions has decreased because they have transferred many of the most seriously ill people to our country and Venezuela has just announced that its crime has decreased by 72% compared to two years ago.

Think about that because they are there. You don't have to be a genius to realize that they get their prisoners out, but they move their gang. All the gang members are now in the United States and living happily in the United States. The United States of America has become a dumping ground because of a very uh mentally deficient President and it's not him. I don't think it's him. I think he knows what's going on. I think he's an evil guy, but he's not at the top of his game and he was never very good at it.

You look at his foreign policy for years and years and years, you look at how bad he was on the crime bill in the 1990s, how he's been bad at everything and he got lucky, look, he ran three or four times when, say, he would be in normal condition in good condition he failed he got it when he shouldn't be here he shouldn't be here and he's dealing with President Chi, who I know very well, and he's dealing with Putin, who I know very well, and he's dealing with all These leaders of these countries don't like America, they don't like what it stands for and they are at the top of their game, they are cruel, they love their country or they want success, whichever you know you define.

Be that as it may, we have become a failed nation. We are a nation that is in tremendous trouble. We have months left. You know, we have someone negotiating and trying for us who is not up to the task.and I'm not even saying now that I think 25 years ago he wasn't up to par, but he's dealing with the President of China, he's dealing with President Putin of Russia, he's dealing with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, he's dealing with very, very tough people who are really at the top of their game I know them all I know many more than that and our country is in tremendous danger of World War III our countries look what is What is happening with Ukraine now, You see what's going on, what's going on, they're talking about nuclear power, they're bringing up the n-word like I say and they're talking about nuclear weapons and they're talking about things that were never in my In the White House, nobody uttered never the word nuclear, nuclear is a very bad word because of the power of weapons and we have a man that we should not be negotiating with and we are going to end up in a nuclear war that we are going to end up in.

World War II with this guy and yes he, five months is a long time, we have five months before the elections now it's even a little less, it's getting closer, it's getting very close, remember they have early voting on September 22 . You know, Pennsylvania will be on September 22, so it's actually less, a little less, but I really think it's a very dangerous time because I think they're moving, they're making moves, they love him like our president, president, no They respect him, they think he is weak. and incompetent now one thing I will say he is surrounded by many fascists and communists but many fascists and they are young and they are intelligent and that is who runs our country well, let me ask you something, then suppose you inherit a situation where American bombs are used inside From Russia.

Suppose you inherit that we could end World War I if we're not there yet and it just hasn't been labeled yet, we've never been that close. to World War III, as we are now, there could be 100,000 or more potential terrorists on American soil right now, given what happened on the southern border, right, and we have Venezuela, Congo, others that are emptying their prisons of its most dangerous prisons. criminals with a warning we will let you leave but go to the United States. I think every country is doing it and by the way, if you were the head of a country, you would be the first to do it.

I know you. Let's say what, let's get rid of these, you know the money they save and the danger they save and look at this map I made a show about this, the red one is where the Chinese government has funded the purchase of important agricultural land, yeah, and then it overlaps some of our most strategic military bases and you can see that it's around, there's Doug Way Proving Ground, which is military equipment, chemical biological weapons, they're surrounding it. Utah Test Training Range, largest authorized supersonic restricted airspace, United States, Whitman Air Force Base, B2 Spirit stealth bomber base. missile operations drones mq9 Reaper Global Strike Command 3 Air Force full bomber Nuclear Command Control and Communications Fort Liberty uh Airborne Special Operations Forces rapid deployment we have allowed them to come in and purchase agricultural land windless wind farms without blades on some of the towers but they are surrounding our military bases, we have allowed that to happen, you can come in and inherit all this and it can get worse in the next five months, what are you going to do about it?

First of all, you mentioned that Fort Liberty used to be Fort Brag, we won world wars from Fort Brag, yes, and they changed the name and I don't even want to say that they spent $37 million on it because that's not the most important thing. but that's a lot of money, you know, it's pretty disgusting. Now I will say this: we want to allow people to come and invest in our country at the same time we want them to come and invest. We don't want to make it so impossible. I have to be careful and this is a lot of land, which bothers me a lot because we don't want you to know, let's say we're not going to let anyone come and invest, that would be a bad thing, you know, when I was. they don't need to buy into our no, there seems to be a lot of activity around those nuclear sites, to put it mildly, but when you mentioned when you mentioned Fort Liberty, I remember that battle as soon as they came out they changed it but they changed a lot of names almost all of them changed the names of these forts where we won two world wars and many other things and you know there is great anger about that, well as you know they call it presentism what they do is take current cultural standards and apply them to the behavior of people 100 years ago as if 100 years ago years were supposed to predict what the standards would be in 100 years and behave how things were going to be. 100 years in the future you can't do that it's like if you drive through a neighborhood when the speed limit is 20 and then they come and change it to 10 and say I'm going to give you a retroactive ticket and that's what they do.

They are holding these people to Moray standards and today's popular customs based on how they behaved at that time, it's called presentism and that's why they say oh no, we have to take down these statues, we have to change. these names because they were behaving in a way that we wouldn't accept well today, but was accepted back then. I'm not saying it's our brightest moment. I'm not saying it's our brightest moment. But these people also did great things along with things that we may not be proud of today, but that's how they were at the time and that's never the case if you know these people because it's a group of people and they don't represent the vast majority, okay , they don't repeat, but it's never good. enough, no matter what you do, no, I call it tyranny of The Fringe, yeah, it's never good enough, you could do all the name changes suddenly, find that in iner if you inherit this, if you inherit bombs in Russia and you have to do it. deal with Putin if you inherit terrorists on our soil who could attack our energy grid, how do you handle that?

I will take care of it and get the war in Ukraine resolved and over by the time I take office as president-elect. I will do it as president-elect, you have great power. I was able to do great business from the time I was elected in 2016. I was able to do great business from the time I was elected to the time I took office in that bit because you have great power there you need the power of the presidency to do it uh I'm going to have the war in Ukraine if it's not over by then now it seems like it's getting worse, they're taking up arms now where it can shoot deep into Russia, where is this going?

Here is the problem with Ukraine, which is right next door. You know we have an ocean in the middle. A small fraction of what awaits us awaits them and I know them very well because I did it with NATO. I said you are criminals, we are paying almost the entire cost of NATO, so excuse the word: you screw us in trade and on top of that we are supposed to defend you and I said no. It doesn't work that way, but I didn't want to do that the first time. I let him know when I got back.

I did not want to do it. I was in office for about two weeks and I said, but I said. you're not paying your way and I came back the second time and said you have to pay hundreds of billions of dollars. It was paid. They asked me a question. Will you defend us against Russia if we haven't paid? I said absolutely not. as soon as I said that, ah, and I got a lot of pressure from the fake news, the fake news went crazy when I said that, because I said I won't defend them, now you have the same thing, they paid hundreds of billions of dollars quickly and De that's where they got all the money to do what they're doing now, but remember this, so we're probably in for $250 billion.

You know you hear they just got 62 billion and now I heard today they need more. The money will never run out. Now there are people who say that it is not a war that should have started. It would never have started. If I were president, Putin would never have done it. First of all, the energy went up so much that it makes money. in that, you know, when you go up to $100 a barrel, I had it at $40 a barrel, it's very different, but it would never have happened, but now it has happened, you know, sometimes I hate to say it almost never would have happened. it happened and Israel would never have happened the October 7th attack would never have happened because Iran was bankrupt and Iran was not funding Hamas and they were not funding any of the Hezbollah terrorists.

All of them, there are like 28 of them, didn't have any money. They were bankrupt. I told China that if you buy oil from Iran you can't do business in the United States, they didn't want to take any risks, everyone stopped and we knew we hadn't had terrorist attacks and I never wanted to. I talked about it when I was president because I didn't want to curse him. I wanted to stand up and say that we haven't had to think about that in my four years. We had no terrorist attacks. This nation is in such danger right now.

The people you're talking about came in and it was interesting because I saw 29,000 Chinese people and they showed it on camera. They look very strong. They all have their propane stoves. Everyone has cell phones. They all look like soldiers. many men of military age yes, they are mostly men and they are mostly perfect for the military and it is almost as if they are building a military organization within our country with our help. We have people running our country who are grossly incompetent. headed by a president who should never be there, how do you undo that?

Well, you have to do it with the people and we will do it. Look, I have the same thoughts as you. You know, there's a lot of common sense in these things. Not you, we talked about that before the conservative Liber. I don't care, it's common sense, we need borders, we need low taxes, we need good education, we need a strong military. I rebuilt the entire army, the entire army was rebuilt. I built a wall that was so cool and I got Mexico to give us 28,000 soldiers while I built the wall to keep people out. We didn't have what you have today.

We had our lowest day the week I left office and it was a sad day for this country the week I left office was when we had our lowest illegal flow of illegal immigrants coming into our country and all Biden had to do was leave it in its place. They had something called staying in Mexico, they had a staying in Mexico, how cool. is that they had catch and release in Mexico, it was such a stupid management and all that Biden had to do when he goes to the beach, you know, he's always on the beach, right?

He thinks he looks good bathing, so a counselor said to go to On the beach, you look great, Joe, and he can't even lift the chair that weighs about six ounces. You know, those chairs that you can lift that are designed for children and the elderly to lift, so Joe is in the sand and he is in the. beach and it's totally decimating everything we built, we built the strongest border in the history of our country and we're going to do it again, just one little thing in 2016. I was elected maybe because of the border, but that border was a fraction of she.

It was nothing compared to what the border is today and I fixed it and you know, in 2020, when I ran, I couldn't even talk about it, no one wanted to hear about the border because I fixed it, I will fix it again, but the border today is many times worse than in 2016, well, I was at the border and they simply said that we are using tax money to send some of these children who cross the border into known prostitution. Rings to clandestine workshops. because we don't have the ability to verify, they're just sending them, you know, now we have 88,000 missing children.

Can you imagine if it was Trump who had 88,000 missing children? 88,000, that's a holocaust cost, that's as bad as I am. Think about it, these are very young children and also women who take women and exchange them and I took it down to the lowest level because it had a boundary that was really strong and you're going to take it back to that. oh let's bring it back and I think then some know one thing and they know it better than anyone: um you have to know people, it's about people if you put a great person in charge of a great age agency.

A lot of good things happen in my business if I have a good real estate superintendent running one of my buildings and if I move him to another building, sometimes you move to another building because, but in that building you need good people and we had a lot of wonderful people. I had a few that I was very disappointed with. There were others that really disappointed me, but the only thing is that I was in Washington 17 times in my entire life. I never stayed over, that was reported by the news I was rarely there I wasn't a Washington I was a New York person I was a builder in New York a real estate guy I had a wonderful company everything was going well it would have been very easy to follow doing it.

It was probably one of the most successful days of my life it was the day before I announced I was running for president once you do this the whole world changes I even lost Oprah okay Oprah really likes me and you know that I have done it. I haven't talked to her, I think since then, but uh, but she's a goodperson, please give him my regards, but you know that you do things and my attitude is that you have to do the right thing, otherwise I thought I won the elections by a lot. I would never have run and I don't think I had ever said this on the air before, maybe yes, but losing the election wouldn't have been you know someone wins, someone loses you, you move on with your life, but when you lose election you know you won because millions of votes millions of votes if I had not thought that I won the elections I would never have done it for a second because I would have lost in other words I would have lost I ran because I won the elections and I know that is what people want, they want what you and I are talking now, they want strong borders and They want good education, they want all these things that we talked about and we are going to give them to them, we are going to get it quickly, probably the most difficult problem, the biggest problem is nuclear energy and weapons , and we have to stay out of it. wars and all that, but the most difficult problem for our country is the millions and millions of people who have been brought to this country and who have been thrown here, many of them should not be here, they are really very bad people from the prisons of the places. and you know what's going to happen, you'll get a 10 and you'll have one where it's a woman with a couple of kids and the news will say, oh look at this, how horrible, how horrible, it's so hard.

There is something to do, but we have to have the largest deportation effort in the history of our country. Dwight Eisenhower did it very early on because he wanted strong borders, I think, but you're not against immigration, no, I'm all for it, but it's I think we desperately need it, but I don't want his prisoners and I don't want his people. of mental institutions and I want people to come in. Legally I want to let people come, we need it, we need it, we need people, but We need good people, we need people who are not going to blow up our shopping centers or kill people.

Let me ask you two areas that I want to talk to you about that will be different because I am different, so let me be different. you have a personality driven platform, like me, mine is a fraction of yours, you have taken every shot you can imagine, you have been criticized, you have been attacked, you have been called every name in the book, you have put the judicial system against you, the intelligence community 51 uh Intelligence. Officials swear this is a Russian plant, this laptop here just before the election, the media has turned on you, print television, radio, the Internet, in the streets, not campaigning, Donald Trump, just the real Donald Trump, how do you handle that stress? your most private moments, so two things number one, I don't like to think about it, out of sight, out of mind, I don't know if that makes sense, I don't want to think about it, number two, I have tremendous support, support.

If I didn't have the support of the people, I think that if I didn't do it, I wouldn't be able to handle it so easily when a judge who has conflicts like no one has had before wants to put me in jail when he puts a gag order and says if you talk about these things we are going to put you in jail and I am the Republican candidate I was president I am leading the Democrats for a lot he wants to put me in jail I like not to think about that it's like they say oh don't eat that food don't eat this food don't do this no do that they really don't know it might be good for you it might not be bad it might be good they say it causes cancer I said don't talk to me about I don't want to hear the word I don't want it's out of place out of mind I think I have a very good disposition for it trauma but I have great support Phil the One thing is that you mentioned a lot of groups and asked about that, but I also have great support within the media.

You know there is a group of people in the media. You could be one of them. You are a very important Force. The fact is that I've watched you for so long, I felt so safe with you, I called you, I said, you know, otherwise what do I have to subject myself to? It doesn't make sense, but I think it's a very different and very interesting psychology, it's a psychological interview that you're doing, you're some kind of psychiatrist and maybe I could use a psychiatrist, no, it's great, but I try not to think. In that, I try not to get into that and, very important, I have tremendous support.

I have the support of the people, you look at the polls and they agree with me, there is a kind of silent majority, you know, it is a term that is has been used over the years, but it is a true term. I have the support of many more people than them. we would have if we called them the bad guys and I think if I didn't or if I felt like I wouldn't I wouldn't be the same person you know we all have a personal truth what we believe about ourselves when we don't have our mask on when we don't know it, I I put on a nice suit, you know, I'm going to see the president here.

I want to be credible, that's good and we, you know, put our best foot forward when we go out into the world, but we have a personal truth: what we believe about ourselves is that we are most vulnerable when no one is looking, no one is listening, maybe they are 3:00 in the morning, we woke up looking at the sky and thinking what the hell. Am I doing what you tell yourselves? When the crowd is not applauding when you are alone at home you know you are traveling in the car you are alone what is the hardest and darkest moment you are in?

It occurs to me that on this journey that you have undertaken in recent years you have to be very strong, you are fighting against very evil forces and they are very intelligent forces. There are people who control Biden. Totally true, I think I know. who they are to a large extent, but there are people who are controlling, they are very intelligent, very energetic, they are possibly true believers, you know what their sick ideology is, but you have to be smart and have confidence, I mean, you have to have some confidence, the other thing It's just that I realize that over the years you know I've been through a lot of good and bad things you know I won the presidency everyone said how are you doing how good is it was the most incredible night one of the most incredible nights from the history of the country look at the celebration I mean it was incredible uh but you also go through the bed I also f I understand perfectly that the bed also disappears I mean you go through bad times and it disappears it's something funny because I've seen many programs over the years years.

I'm not ashamed to say it because some people say, "Oh, you look at Dr. Phil, you know your show is really smart and I've seen you ask." question similar to that for a couple or some and they break down oh they start crying on the show. I said that will never happen to me, if that happens to me, that is the end of my political career. I think people would actually maybe like me more but but I'll tell you what you need strength you have to have strength and people don't want to see I've seen so many people you knock people down and they don't even know that they are tearing them down, but it's different, well, that's the last thing I want to do with you, but I want people to know you.

I want people to know every aspect of you and I know it about me. I know it's not always a great day, it's not always. It was a tough day, I thought you were L A Charmed Life, you never had a problem in your life, right? I watched you during that trial, that was not a fun time, you know, it was an ice box, that courtroom was really cold and I think that's how it was. On the way to the judge, the courtroom was freezing, you know, I'd call it the ice box, right? I mean I only sat for 4 hours and I'm not campaigning by doing that, that's what made me angry, they're taking away my voice. keeping me in this ice box and they're taking my voice away, but you know one thing: you mention it, uh, and you haven't asked me the question yet and, uh, I'm sure you will, even though I know we've been doing this for quite a while and it's an honor to do it, but the hardest part for me is probably my family because it's so unfair to my family.

I have a very good wife, she reads this. I have wonderful children, you know how amazed? I gave up my salary I didn't accept a salary and it's 450,000 approximately $450,000 a year you know it's still money it's a couple of million dollars I didn't do it I never had a story a good story that said yes I'm not looking For a story, what What surprised me is that there were a couple of stories about who else did it. Nobody took into account. I thought maybe Kennedy is a pretty rich family. I thought the only one who could have done it was George Washington.

You know, George Washington was a very wealthy family. owner of the land and they said the only one who could have done it was George Washington. I thought Roosevelt maybe FDR, you know, there were some pretty rich presidents, every president pulled this, the bushes took his salary, I didn't take my salary, I left it and every month I got a fake news call, uh, who, since you know you can't really give it up, you have to give it to an organization within the government, you don't have permission to give it to it, so what happens? the check and then you give it to Health and Human Services or you give it to the Navy or you give it to the Army or something like that and every month they say if you gave it and when you show them that you gave It wasn't a story and it was just interesting see that the entire system is manipulated.

I mean, it's just a nasty system, but the saddest thing is, I'll give you a quick example. I have a son, Don, he is a good boy and he loves me. to help people and they said he was involved with Russia, he knows less about Russia than that young man sitting there who I'm sure doesn't know anything about Russia and it was Adam Schiff Adam Shifty shiff, a bad guy and he comes out of a so-called intelligence meeting and he walks up to the microphone and there's a lot of press gathered because this was during the Russia Russia Russia hoax the total hoax had nothing to do with five million phone calls I didn't have a single phone call to Russia it was a hoax and it came out that way and it's nice, but it took two and a half years and, by the way, it was very dangerous because at least Putin understood that it was a hoax, you know, he used to say what he thought, to be honest, we were crazy.

I thought it was crazy but Don, so they say Adam shf comes out and says Donald Trump Jr is going to jail for what he's done with Russia and it was Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton and some others at the DNC that they invented an idea . how bad you must be you make up a false story about Russia Russia Russia Russia's hugs you have the file you have the whole thing it's all fake they paid 12 million dollars or something for the file 12 million they gave this guy a fortune Steel make a fake story it's called a fake dossier right they go with my son they know it's fake it's not like they're trying they think it's real they know it's fake because they made it up and they say Donald Trump Jr is going to jail so I called my son and I said: are you okay? there is something?

I don't know how bad you have to be when you can say about a story that you made up and you know it's false that my son is going to jail because of the story, how do you deal with that as a parent? Because I'm told you met Jordan and my other son, Jay. I've had stories about them and it infuriates me. I mean, I called. I called them to him. I knew it wasn't true, but I told this guy, they're not stupid people. I call them watermelon heads. He has the thinnest neck I have ever seen.

How he holds that head. He's got a neck that's about a size six, very unattractive guy both inside and out and people say, oh, that's such a terrible thing to say okay, very unattractive guy, this is what he is, they're bad people and they are not easy to deal with, you know, when you have your children involved or your family, your wife and you read things mostly, it's not true, it's totally false, but think about it, they make up a story and Then they say that your son will go to jail for something they know is false, they are bad people, that is more difficult. take that when they talk about you, yes, for me, it is for me, I become, I don't know, I become different, maybe it would have been more difficult, I think the fact that I have such incredible support helps me a lot, it's not So.

It didn't bother you, it has bothered you, there's been backlash against Baron because he's younger and more vulnerable, he's not easy and he's a great kid, he's a good student, you know, he got accepted to different colleges, he got some of those colleges. suddenly. You're traveling all over the place, you know what you're saying, but he's a good boy, he's a tall boy, very tall, he's very tall and he's a great boy, he's a good-looking boy and you know he's going to college, but he's not. he says and I think he's not saying it because he doesn't want to hurt me and he thinks it's a possibly hurtful conversation, but it has to affect my family and I think that's really unfair because I have a very good family relationship, I have good children, I have a wonderful wife. , I mean, it's not easy for her to read these kinds of things that are false, I mean, false things and, that's just the way things are, uh, it's certainly not a good thing and yeah.

It affects me more than it would if it were just me. I wish it could just be about me. How are you holding up with all this? I think it's okay, but I don't think it's an easy thing for her and I think it would be. It's not good that she didn't want to tell me about it to be honest with you because you know she sees that I'm struggling like hell. I'm trying to becomepresident and make America great again, that's what we're going to do. They are going to make America great again, they put tremendous obstacles in our way, including the 20 million people who will be here when this guy gets out, it's an election we have to win, we won't have one country left.

If we don't win this election, have you ever thought that the toll this takes on your family is too much, maybe not in the way you phrased that is a very interesting way to phrase that question. I think to some extent I think my family wants me to do it our country is in trouble we could be in a world war very soon we could be we're going to end the problem think about it we're going to end Ukraine quickly I'm going to end this quickly I know both of them I know to zalinski I know Putin very well I'm going to make it end that's a horror Show what's happening there, but think about it, why do we have hundreds of billions of dollars more money?

Why is this happening? Why does Europe spend a fraction of the money we are spending? There are so many different things about it that are just wrong. but my family is good, my family loves this country and I think they feel that I do a good job. Look, we had the most successful country we've ever had during my time. We had the largest economy in the history of any country. They love you? to run or they tolerate you asking an interesting question well, they tolerate it but at least they tolerate it yes, they tolerate it I think they love the country I think they think I do a good job I think they feel that some people say that this is nobody, I get it very often and you know I'm not sure it's right, they say there is no one else who can put this country right and again Victor Orban said recently that he is a strong man from a very interesting country and he knows Russia very well He knows that he knows Zalinski very well, he knows Ukraine, but he said that the only one who is hungry, he said that the only one who is going to fix this is Trump because he didn't use the word respect, he is the word that he was afraid of, he I don't want to say that like this.

People, these other leaders, I don't want to say that they were afraid, I'm not going to use that term, but let's use the word respect, they respected me, they respected me, and they respected our country and they knew that if they played, I was going to hit them with tariffs and many other things. We have many weapons, not just military weapons. I rebuilt our entire army because of the way our entire army was rebuilt and this person. that we have leading us, if you can call the word leader that, in quotes, gave away $85 billion in new military equipment in Afghanistan, in my opinion, the lowest day in the history of our country.

I think it's probably the most embarrassing moment ever. of our country was what happened the way we left Afghanistan we left people behind we had 13 soldiers I met the parents are devastated murdered no one talks about you they would talk about them I put them among the 38 best soldiers there are no arms or legs Just annihilated faces are trying to live, you know, trying to live, no one ever talks about them, they talk about 13 dead at all, but they don't talk about 38 soldiers who have been annihilated and then hundreds of people. They were also killed, you know, hundreds of people with this crazy thing set off a boom they should have never left them, they should have been in Bogram, we should have kept Bogram, Bogram is an hour from where China makes their nuclear weapons, we abandoned it, you know? who is occupying bam right now China China we gave the largest Air Force Base one of the largest runways one of the most powerful runways 8 feet thick of concrete built when the dollar was very big well, years ago it was we gave to the Chinese, I should never have done it, what we did happened, I think it was the most embarrassing day and I have to tell you that if that hadn't happened, I don't know if Putin would have gotten in.

I think Putin saw that catastrophe and said, hey, this is a good time to attack Ukraine. Do you think that emboldened him? I think so, I think so, let me ask you this right now, headlines everywhere, of course, you don't respect, but there are headlines that say that when you win your second term, I'm going to make the people who have come after you pay retribution and revenge, yes, and let me ask you this before you answer. I want to play what would happen to you for a minute, what if when you win this election you said enough is enough? enough too much is too much this is a race to the bottom and it stops here it stops now they've made half a dozen or more major attempts to get you off the game board and you just said it stops now I'm going to rise above this ugly cycle.

I'm not playing this game of retribution. It stops now. I will forgive. I will never forget. But I'm not going to play this game of retribution. I'm going to put the American people first, no. get my pound of flesh first you gotta do what you gotta do but I'm gonna put this country like The Shining City on the Hill I'm moving forward I'm not playing the payback game it stops with me it stops here What have you adopted? That approach. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. Sometimes. I'm sure at certain times it wouldn't be there.

You know, when you go through what I went through, they separate from me. campaign you know they spied on my campaign you remember I announced it they did things that people don't even talk about and I got rid of Comey and I got rid of a lot of people I got rid of a lot of people thousands of people in the VA that I got I cleaned it up 9,000 people there were sadus those I got rid of but what they did is bad with all that said we have to unite the country Phil the country has to be united this country is a disaster in every situation it takes a hero, what a great opportunity for you to stop this cycle, this vicious cycle of got you back, got you back, every situation needs a hero, what a great opportunity to step up and say you know what stops here, stops. with me I think you'll be impressed uh we have to unite the country we have to save the country that's not really saving the country uh there are people who did some bad things I know who they are and all that but uh like For example, with Hillary Clinton, I would say that I would mention his name, everyone shouts thousands and thousands.

I had to we just saw 107,000 people in New Jersey. You saw that 25,000 people showed up in the South Bronx in the South Bronx, but we had Wildwood New Jersey 107,000 people it was a record that they had never had. When I mentioned Hillary's name in the election before the last one, they said lock her up. now we are going crazy what would it be like if Hillary Clinton won and locked up the president's wife the former president's wife I locked her up and what would it be like if I took the Secretary of State she was Secretary of State and we put her in a prison somewhere place.

I think it was terrible and yet now they are trying to do that to me. Think about it. I did not want to do it. I could have done it quite easily. She broke their phones and snapped. she her laptops and what they made of it and they put some bleach in it, you know what bleach is, it's so expensive that no one uses it because it's an acid and it erases everything. She could have done it very easily, don't forget that she disobeyed a subpoena from the United States Congress and she dismantled all this machinery, all this technology after she received the subpoena.

Think about it, what would it look like if she took the wife of the president of the United States and threw her in a prison? I hated it because I wanted to bring her. the country together and to a large extent I did it and I achieved it through success because it was the most successful economy in the history of our country. Well now the difference is that they are trying to do it with me and maybe you can feel differently about it, but I don't think the payback is different through success, we will make it very successful, we have to unite the country and you can do it, you know , because let me tell you that this thing about revenge is that there is a lot of research and uh uh, Dr.

James Kimlet Yale has done this research and he has seen neurologically in the brain that there is an addiction to revenge, just like to opioids or whatever, and that even if people commit a crime and are arrested for it, they see themselves as the victim and they want revenge against the person who arrested them and then the person who arrested them gets beaten up, so now that person says okay, well, I'm not going to tolerate that, so they go back after the criminal now that the criminal has been victimized again and then we get into this loop where we are addicted back and forth.

It has to stop and you are a we are better than this we must be better than this and you are big enough to do it every The situation needs a hero. You can stop this. You can say no. It ends here. Break up with me. I think you'll be proud of the work we do and you know the word revenge is a very strong word, but maybe we will have revenge. success, but that is what I would like to see, I want to see the country survive CU, this country is not going to survive like this and, really, you know the expression, I think it is the most important issue in the history of politics, maybe because it's the biggest Movement we want to make America great again and that's what we have to do and I think you would be very proud of the work that we do.

You know, the Pope has published a book that he has written and he says that we are all brothers and sisters and there must be no resentment between us for any war to truly end, forgiveness is necessary, otherwise what will follow will not be justice but revenge , and that's true even in the culture wars we're fighting here. I think you have a lot to do. You don't have time to get even you just have time to get it right, well revenge takes time I will say yes and sometimes revenge can be justified. I have to be honest, you know, sometimes it can, but is the country better? worse for them who chase you.

I think the country is really worse for what they've done and I think that shows when you look at the poll numbers and see that almost $400 million has been spilled since this horrible decision was made. It was a few days ago, numbers that no one had ever heard of in politics before, it is a great honor that the people of our country understand it, you know they are very intelligent as a whole, I have to say they are very intelligent, but it has been It is truly an honor to be with you and I think you would be very proud of the work we did.

You have mobilized people. I had people in my focus group the other night who said, "I haven't voted for Trump before. I haven't been." I have been a Trump fan before, but I have donated to Trump because he has inspired me. I've donated to him and I'm voting for him now and I haven't before, but he has inspired me. It's actually been a beautiful thing to see. Thank you, Mr. President, it's been It's an honor to speak with you, thank you very much, welcome, I hope you've been spending some time watching my interview with President Donald Trump, former President Donald Trump, and we're doing our first roundtable and analysis and our focus group. discussion after that interview, I hope it is the first of many.

I want to introduce you to some good friends, colleagues and experts in your field, firstly former Meritt Street prosecutor and news anchor Lonnie Kums, we have been working together for many years. uh in Los Angeles is also my good friend who has left an indelible mark in the courtroom uh Dallas trial attorney for 50 years Rod Felen is an absolutely brilliant legal mind uh he is truly committed to justice and ultimately uh Greg Harley uh is a body language expert uh and member of the behavior panel uh and he's part of the family here at Meritt Street so he's watching each of you to see if you're doing anything U uh and he's absolutely brilliant and part of the behavioral panel team so I'll start with you for um and anyone can chime in uh everyone was watching the interview and uh um I'm curious to know what your takeaways were from the interview, something caught your attention because uh we We're talking about someone who, According to polls, he will most likely soon resume the presidency of the United States, which would most likely place him again in a position of being the most powerful man on the planet in terms of politics and military. power and control um and I think this was an opportunity to get a look at him like we don't see that often so I'm just curious what your takeaways were for me from the beginning of your relationship it was clear that you had a relationship with him . that you could talk to him in a way that many people couldn't and that chemistry matters.

You know, Yung, the famous psychologist, once said that no two people are the same after the interaction, so we had to pay attention to that and we could see. when he understood that you weren't there just to criticize him and go after him, he made good eye contact with you and started paying attention and said okay, someone understands what I'm saying, at least it's okay, let's take a look. and we have a clip of what you are pointing out, you know, it was interesting when you called the other day to do an interview, a lot of people want to do interviews and I don't accept very easily, but I have always had great respect for you.

I watch your show, some of the really good ones, and what do you see? So if you see it, we normally think that when peopleThey have an emotional thought, they look towards their right eyes. It will come down to its correct position, think about the last wedding or funeral you attended and that will happen. We see him do that when he describes the problem, but as soon as he starts saying someone her height, watch him raise his head and make eye contact. and show respect that's powerful that means who else is going to do that right uh you know my position just so you know going into this type of interview is I'm not a get-you-on interviewer I've never been a get-you-on interviewer um I want to Give it to people the opportunity to tell their story, say what they want to say and then ask questions that I think the viewer would like to be asked, and if they don't answer them, I'll ask them again and if they continue. a 4th of July speech, so I mean, well, that was a good speech, now answer my question.

I want my questions answered, but I give them the opportunity to say whatever they want. I mean, but then and at one point I told him: I want people to know you because you are always campaigning. I don't want you to campaign. I want you to speak to us as a father, husband and person. I want to know who you are because he has a speech that gives a silent speech that gives that we have heard that we want to hear some other things and he was willing to do that yes, it was noticeable when he made eye contact with you From that moment on I watched him throughout the interview.

He cared about what you thought and that's important because it gives a person the opportunity to show you a human side too. Yes, and by the way, I have an invitation for President Biden. Do the same, uh, I have an interview that you scheduled with RFK Jr, for next week, to do the same, these are the three people that are involved, maybe RFK Jr as a spoiler, but it could change this whole election in one direction . or the other thing, so I'm talking to all the candidates that will talk to me, so we'll see how it goes.

Rod, what do you think? I wrote five things, Phil, he's the toughest guy I've ever seen in my life. I've tried cases, of course, and you're exhausted when you try a case as a lawyer. Imagine if you are sitting there, helpless, the client, the guy who has the target painted on him, your freedom is at stake and you have no control over what. It happens in the courtroom, you have a hostile judge, you think the jury is hostile, your lawyers may or may not be doing what you want them to do and Trump is just getting it from all sides, that was one of five cases, I mean, and he just says go full steam ahead second, use a target and shoot him because he's so formidable.

I mean, this guy is really a force. I mean, I told someone you know, Phil attended that interview instead of conducting it and that's all you can do. With a guy like Trump, we just sign professional briefs here, so I thought it was a warm-up for that right, very good, one three, stay on message, it may get sidetracked, but it's a familiar message and it's going to come in. the direction he wants to go, trying to drag everyone with him 'cause he's a fucking torpedo guy at full speed, I mean, nothing gets in his way, he'll go wherever he wants to go, uh, you might not like it where he's going, but HE knows where he's going and he's going as hard as he can and lastly, this guy wants revenge so bad he can taste it, but he knows better and Phil, after letting it go like Phil did throughout the interview, finally He said: I want to see if I can.

I can take you where I want. Will you pick it up? Won't you be a vengeful president if you win? And he said yes. I agree with that. That was really powerful. I hope he can. I hope I can fulfill it. What do you want? Think about the revenge point, you know, Dr. Phil. I love watching interviews and I love watching master interviews and I'm always watching how the interviewer arrives at that information. I thought this was the part of his interview that I just found. Fascinating, I watched it over and over again, you literally laid it out, okay, now I'm going to ask you about retribution and revenge, I mean, you just confessed it to him and I knew it was important to you because you literally got to that four.

On different occasions you kept coming back the first time you said "Okay, what if you said enough is enough? Let's stop it now and his response was: I'm okay with that. Sometimes I'm sure at certain times I would." You don't know and then he left and then you came in a second time and your second time was every situation needs a hero. You are in a position to be the hero. Do you want to do that? Will you go out? You're like constantly giving him that opportunity and this time he kind of dodged it and said, I think you'll be impressed, we need to come together and save the country, and then the next time you came, I, obviously, you were prepared as always.

You said you know there's research right now that revenge in this country is an addiction that we're literally feeding off of and that you could stop that cycle and this time he said, well, you know revenge is a strong word, maybe we can have revenge through success and then the last one that I loved was this quote from the Pope that I thought was so good we are all brothers and sisters forgiveness is necessary otherwise what will follow will not be justice but revenge and then you continued with you don't have time to get revenge you only have time to do it right and he backed away again he said well it takes time and then he said and I give him credit for this he only told you sometimes revenge can be justified so I have to do it Be honest, you know sometimes it is and then you said, is the country better or worse for them to persecute you?

It was very interesting to watch, it was almost like he was thinking out loud while it was happening and wanted to ask. because being there is very different than just seeing him, what did you feel about him while you were working on this? What were the feelings you received from him and how do you feel he really ended up at the end of that? I thought there was a change in the interview where he became very thoughtful, uh, when I asked him why do you always talk about what you're doing, why you do it, the cost to your family is too high.

At that point I thought things had changed and he started being really honest and you know it scared him a little bit at one point when he said, Hey, I've seen you do this before, you know, he just called you, said you break people up. . You're not bringing me down, yeah, and I and I said I don't want to. I'm just asking you the questions and I and and I think when he had to admit that the country was no better off with them chasing them. him, yeah, so he better not go after them and at that moment I think he landed on him and I think he understood and this is a process, this is a process, I think I think it's something that you don't just flip a switch. and it changes like this.

I think it's a process, it's a matter of who's in his ear and what they're talking about, but I think it was a quantum shift so that he could even consider anything other than you know, Full speed ahead, catch the guys. bastards, yes, I think that shows when he talks to you because he makes good eye contact and you can see that he has to process and only you were there with all your mirror neurons and that in the room can feel what you are feeling, but what we could see from here is that he makes eye contact and he cares what you think and that's important, yeah, I thought he made a change and um and we talked afterwards off camera and stuff. and uh, he listens to it, I mean, I think, honestly, uh, he listens to it, um, and I think he's cured of his addiction to Revenge, no, no, but I think for just one session, I think he made a major change in your thinking and appearance. he's not a dumb guy and I think he understands, look, people don't want you to run your own agenda, we want you to run our agenda and it's not you playing catch and I think he I think that will stick with him. doesn't mean he doesn't need to hit again, hit again, hit again, hit again and I think the people around him are studying this interview very carefully and if they are smart, I think the message will change, yeah, what Was it the most important thing you learned? about Donald Trump watching that interview, you know?

Dr. Bill, I thought I could bring out a personal side of him that I hadn't seen before and he had to work on it. I mean, he really has his thing, he's very strong and he knows who he is and he doesn't really care if other people don't like him or agree with him, but you were able to communicate with him and when he talked about his family I think it was honest, I think it was um, a side of him that he doesn't talk about much um and then when you ask him about, you know stress, how you handle stress in the darkest moments, he's not someone who goes deep, he's not someone who he really reflects on himself, but he was honest about it, he said you know you have to be strong, you have to be confident, you have to be smart and then he said something that I thought was interesting, you can see it throughout his life, He said you go through bad times.

You're going to have bad moments and then they're gone and then they're gone and you move on and I thought I had endured that well through everything that happened. He also said, "You know how you handle stress." Think about it, he's obviously a very good compartmentalizer. I just don't think about it and I got great support from people you know when he said he had this image of Scarlet O'Hara in my mind. We'll think about that today, yes. I'll think about that tomorrow and it was that simple to him, yeah, yeah, and you know, that works for some people, it depends on what you're not thinking about, right, if it's a nuclear threat, I prefer you.

Go ahead and think about it, but I think what he's saying is I compartmentalize and move on, and when you have so many balls in the air, I think that's probably a way to stay sane and not feel overwhelmed. so in that sense, it made sense, what jumped out at you, what was your main takeaway, if anything you learned about him that you didn't know. I always thought he was smart but not nice. Now I think he is. intelligent and attractive on a personal level I think I would like the guy. He is very, very bright.

He doesn't talk like you or me or other lawyers. He is not organized and this is my first point. This is my second point, but it is clear as a bell. and very blunt and I guess I knew that, but I really realized when I looked at him and he has a good sense of humor, a very good sense of humor, a little bit self-deprecating, not usually, but he's capable of it. laugh at himself, so I thought better of him after watching him for an hour straight. I don't think I've ever seen the guy for an hour straight.

Well, that's the longest interview I think I've ever done in his life. I really believe it. I think it's the longest interview you've ever done, let me ask you as a group and we'll get feedback in a minute, but how many of you liked it more after the interview than before? Raise your hand high, how many of you liked it better afterwards? The interview there two of you, okay, how many of you didn't change the way you felt one way or another? Well, that's 10. Okay, what was your conclusion? Yes, I agree that smart, strong, confident, confident people tell you what they are.

Thought and emphasizing words tell you what you think and he emphasized those words strong, confident, intelligent. I think that's what he values, he values ​​that more than most other things, just listening to that and I also think you know that comes from many years. and you, doctor, you know, I always say that the organism does what made the organism successful and he's been in construction and all that stuff for many years and he's very confident, smarter, those key words for that guy business, so I listen to what people say and what they emphasize, if you pay attention, everyone will do the same and you will find that he is really focused on the fact that he is under attack, he has multiple cases against him, in fact, That's what it's part of. his rant is part of his rant at the top, that suggests to you that this really bothers him, oh yeah, and when he rants about this, when he goes on and on, he's using basic Trump body language that we always say. where he emphasizes with big movements everything he would normally do and his eyes drift to the right and we will see it in some videos when he does it, you will see him doing this and ranting and only when you brought him out of there a couple of times did he get back up and he made normal eye movements and started moving his eyes around his head and looking for it, so he is irritated.

Clearly, he's really annoying, so you think this is affecting him more than it is him. He likes to show off and if you see him when he walks, for example, when he came out after the conviction, you can see that he just has no life compared to Trump, his arms hang at his sides, he looks deflated. I think that now he has reached that level. Any of us, I mean, are tough guys, but any of us who go through that period of time would feel that, especially when you talk to a trial lawyer saying that, imagine what it's like to be the guy who has no capacity. to talk so yeah, sure, was there something you needed to hear from him that you didn't quite understand?

I think the gag order prevented you from asking the kinds of questions I would have liked to hear him answer. I'm interested. on why they did certain things at the trial and whether he pressured them into this or held them infollowed and on their Tik toks they've been removed if they have anything on Trump and I just think this um you know he's biased and that doesn't help his case at all they only see one side yeah does it bother you that they're taking things down Why does it have that there, uh, what do you want?

All I'm saying is that it doesn't allow us to see the genuine anthem, so watching your interview today I think it actually gave me an interpretation that I've never had of it before and not seeing it anymore, it's actually kind of a It hurts, um it hurts the people who judge him, I guess if that's what the media wants to do, then they're doing a pretty good job, yeah, you can bet, uh, I think it's the longest interview I've ever done, I certainly do. It felt like that to me, no, I really appreciate it. He sat down and talked to me and I think we had a very civil discourse.

He asked some tough questions and I think I got some full answers, so I'm interested in hearing from you, so we'll start right here. And guys, go to the next person and be prepared for him to say his name and his comment. I'm Callie and I enjoyed the interview. I guess related to the last question about why people aren't that interested. I wonder if it has to do with having less faith in democracy and some of the issues that former President Trump was raising with free and fair elections, trusting the media and the judicial system, those are all sort of pillars of democracy and they left me.

I wonder, I guess, how President Trump is going to address the flaws in our democracy. Yeah, you know, another theory I've heard is that a lot of these genders have told me that they feel like they'll never be able to make it to their parents. If they're not going to be able to make enough money to own a home, they're not going to be able to get to that level, so they've just proven it, and if that's the case, we have a real problem, that shouldn't be the case. Okay, next who has the microphone, take it to the next person, both of you give it to someone and get ready, we'll go with you next and then you, next one, okay, go, hello, I'm By the way, you and Carmen did phenomenal in your interview with Trump.

I just want to add that I'm in Jin Z and I'm actually involved in the upcoming election and I think there are a lot of people in my age group who are too. It's just that they have a different way, including me, I have a different way of doing it in research. I guess older generations would go to Fox Ford, CNN, etc., but like most, some said let's go to Facebook, Tik Tok. Instagram because we feel that in general we feel that the streaming sources are biased so we go to social media even though there may be some bias in it as well, it gives us more, it gives us more information so that we like to think more and to have our own perspective on it, do you ever check if something is true?

Yes, have you ever been to a library? It's a big building with books. Yeah, I mean, you've actually been to a library. Yes, CU, most people don't. I haven't been to one in years, you know, because really once you get it you know electronically that it's hard to pass the mic to him and then you go to Dr. Phil Mike on Fuel. I ask this because the country is very polarized and divided, what is your hope? the interview that would help us conduct a thorough and objective vote without personality getting in the way of the platform and the issues that you triumphantly pointed out to President Trump.

Well, I'm glad he asked that question because he knows everyone says he already knows. get out and vote and that's not what we need to do not only do we need to get out and vote we need to get out and make informed votes not just vote and this starts from the bottom up and I mean I don't care what the job is even if it is your dog catcher, if you have people in your neighborhood being bitten by dogs, then you have to kick that dog catcher to the curb and get someone who is out there doing the job taking care of the animals, uh, and you.

I can't know that if you don't check to see if you have a judge that lets all the criminals go, then you need to get that judge off the bench and get another one there that will hold them accountable. Let's find out if people are doing their job, these are not legacies, these are privileges and if they're not doing their job, we need to get off the curb and get someone to do it, that's how we need to do it, yes sir, uh, Dr Phil Mark, uh. My question is more about you're America's doctor and so watching Trump, it's very hard to follow him, like he's saying he's a bull, so the question is, do you know if we're angry?

It's not what he says, but how. You say something, how are we going to listen to him and not become polarized by his words or even provoke or get upset and really get to the heart of what he's saying when he says the same thing 18 different times with one right question and you know? I think there's a loop where people go in because they think you know this is what's riling up the crowd, but you know there's a difference when people go into the polls and you know people say politics is local, no, not me. I don't believe it.

I think politics is a personal thing. People come in and say, "Okay, what does this mean for my family? What does this mean for my ability to feed my kids and keep my roof over my family's heads?" People ask what this is going to do for me and my family and that's not being selfish, you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of others. I mean, look at Maso's hierarchy, survival comes first and then you work for self- Update where you start taking care of other people but you can't give away what you don't have if you're not healthy, if you don't take care of yourself , you can't get close to anyone else, yes sir, great.

In the interview I saw a side of him that I hadn't seen before. My name is Keith. I know his name has to meet this way. Yes sir. I know. I'm that bad. Penny. I keep showing up. You know, so it keeps coming up. I still have a problem with voting for someone for president who is a convicted felon and I don't know how to get over it. That's what a convicted felon is. Yes, that's a problem for me. I don't think anyone in that capacity should be. you are allowed to run for president, but the rules are the rules, well that's correct and in fact, that goes to our first question in the poll, let's see what the first question was asked I would vote for a convicted felon for president of the America 91% say yes and then Keith and some stragglers say no, then 91% of the people say yes and I don't know if that's because they think it's a false conviction or if they think it's a white collar conviction or something like that.

We need to dig deeper, but 91% of people say they would. We will see that most prisoners cannot vote well and you cannot vote from prison, but actually a convicted felon cannot vote in Florida unless they are under New York law, which is interesting, then they can vote in Florida, so yeah ma'am, hi Nova, I was here on Monday and I said I was previously a Democrat and now a Republican and I'm still undecided. Great interview. I think you did a wonderful job making it a little more enjoyable. I thought it was really funny how he took your stats and he actually said, oh, you know, when you showed him the stats on everything.

I was wondering if you gave him a copy of that because I was very impressed with his numbers, um, but I'm influenced in my thinking towards him since I saw the court, uh, when everyone talked about the court hearing and all that, yeah, I don't feel like that was fair to him, but at the same time, hang in there, buttercup, that's what a lot of Americans go through when it comes to the homeless. I mean, a lot of innocent people are found guilty and that's not what I feel when you talked about revenge. Like he had his fingers crossed in his pocket and said, you know, that worries me.

I'm a little worried about what he'll do. We know what the problems are in the United States. What is your platform for dealing with problems? I think you're being overshadowed by all the problems of the course yes, tell us immediately what your plan is what your new plan is don't do what you did last time yes sir wow uh Preston sclar yes sir um between the u

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l battle that Trump is leading To confront even regarding the inauguration and then fix the country properly. I think you asked him a couple of questions in that interview that were specifically: How are we going to be the light on the top of a shining hill?

As? to be a hero, how are we going to represent America in the original values ​​that it had and what they specifically were? I'll make it very clear and I think you agree that it was a God given country and the values ​​that we have are God given so when we say there's only one man that can do this that there's only one plan that can happen. Dr. Phil there is no man who can do this but God says your name Paul oh when I joined the military years ago uh, I didn't care who was the commander and the boss.

My son just graduated and wants to join the Marine Corps, but he said he wants to wait until the election is over. As a father, what do you say well? Why does he want to wait until the elections are over because he wants a strong communications commander in chief? Yeah, well, I don't think it's an illogical consideration, frankly. I add something, yes, the US military takes an oath to these states, not to the Constitution. It's always a noble cause and we need people more than ever when we have an unstable government so I would say join the army, he's not going to change the army and we still always need people who want to risk their lives for everyone. our freedom, that is what it is, but it is not a neilogical concern.

I mean, he's asking, that makes me think he's thinking yes and we need the military, that's absolutely true, but I think you have a thoughtful young man on your hands, it's the first time he's voted. Yes, that's good, yes, ma'am. Hello, my name is Teenya, so I have a two-part question. With the current state of the world, do you think a candidate can really go in there and change it, which will lead me to what do you think are the main qualities of these candidates that would make them the most suitable candidate for the presidency? Well, look, I'm the incurable optimist, so you know, I think someone can come in and change things and what I think is the best quality is someone who can come in and build some real bridges and networks between people.

You have to be a consensus builder if you're going to do something and I'm not, I really am. I don't expect them to be a Democratic president in the House and Senate. I really don't expect that. I hope we don't have a Republican president in the House and the Senate because if we don't have some checks and balances, oh my gosh, that would really make me nervous, but I think if you look, I grew up playing sports, I grew up pretty poor, and so I grew up playing in teams and there is something called leadership and there is something called leadership and leadership is when someone is assigned to be a leader, someone, this authority comes and says this person is in charge.

Leadership is when someone builds a consensus and that's where they gain the respect of those around them, people look at them and it's, um, I think one of the biggest compliments. Oprah ever paid me in the years we worked together we're still very good friends uh she once said that if I'm ever in a burning building I'll follow him uh she thought you know she said I was a clear thinker and goal oriented. action if you ever get caught in a burning building, I'm GNA, I follow you and I think that's the kind of person we need in our leadership, someone that people say if we get in trouble, if we get in trouble internationally or We have a big disaster or whatever.

We need someone who can step up and say, "Forget everything we were discussing about 10 minutes ago. We need to all get together right now and come together. You can trust me to do what I say and say what I do and they know that that man or woman has the moral compass to do that and right now I'm not sure who that is, but those people exist and so when you ask me what I look for in a leader, that would be who I look for and really I learned that in Sports, when a coach would appoint a captain for the team, but when the players would choose a captain of the offense or defense or something, then that was the person that everyone said, okay, that's the guy who. we want to talk to the referee if there's a problem this is someone we want to call this play or that play or whatever and um you know, that's where I learned leadership skills uh that and you know, the coaches used to say that the men's soccer teaches you about life we ​​all rolled our eyes and then we walked into life and found out that's really true, that's really true, you know, I'm on my 23rd year of Dr.

Phil and, uh, I did it when I left The I. I had the same seven cameramen that I started with I had the same director that I started with the same supervising producers that I started with um it's because they all believe in what we're doing the people that put this on tonight you know what They have been with me from day one, minute one, they all believe in what we are doing, nowYou know, the money is paid, but it's not about the money, but that they believe in what we are doing and we want to make a difference, we want to have an impact, we are in a presidential election year, we want to have an impact, that is why we are doing this tonight Dr.

Phil for president you couldn't you couldn't give me that job yes sir uh I guess the question I have is for Really, what did you learn from that? You know he talks. A question can be answered 18 more times. It is very difficult to determine which is the correct answer. It's like he feels like he's always looking for the right edit, you know? editing itself and so there are a lot of scattered thoughts and so what did you take away from the interview and what can we take away from what you took away? Well, it's um, it was like me.

He said it was in faces now we've known each other for a long time like I said no well we're not like we don't have barbecue on Sunday afternoons or anything uh but if we were together in the same restaurant or something so he would come Come sit with me, um, but you know, he came in the room and said it's going to be the highest rated interview you've ever had, uh, you know, you just know how to joke and stuff, um and like me. he said the first part um I let him do what he did um and then when I said okay I'm going to start asking some questions now how do you handle the stress of all this?

So what is the impact on your family? It was worth it when I started getting into that stuff, that's when I started to see where he was, where he was in his mind, where he was in his heart, where he was, you know, really his conviction and his moral compass, and I came out with a sense that he's been pretty battered and bruised during this process, but he's doomed to do this and you know he finds it in a way that sounds like bragging when he says, you know, I know Putin, I know, chi, I know. zalinski I know and he does, he just feels the need to say it, but he really does and I think they respect SL, they are afraid that he will pull the financial rug out from under him, he will do this, he will do that, but I don't think that, um, while I was listening to it and when I talked to him about there's no need to do a revenge tour, a retribution tour here, um, I think he's still going to make noise about it, but like Hillary Clinton, lock her up.

Upstairs he never did it he made a lot of noise about it but he never did it he never did anything to move in that direction he says he's going to lock up everyone on January 6th who were moving there I don't see that happening I think I think I put a dent in it and I'll probably talk to him again and continue and I think he'll think about that and if they normally accuse someone from what I know about psychology if he calls someone a liar and he's not, he's angry and angry and he wants revenge and he wants to make sure he leaves the things are clear and encouraged, however, if you tell someone that you are a liar and they are not, they will laugh and be dismissive and it's funny, so it seems that what was once subjective in our society is now objective and now What is objective is subjective and what we are seeing is true. response from someone who has been attacked since 2015 and who is literally fighting because he is very angry with that perception, well if you falsely accuse someone, he is going to be hot from the first minute, now it may be that he has probably hit at fatigue level it's been under attack for so long uh but generally speaking um when someone is falsely accused that they're going to be a hot tamale from day one they're not going to like it at all talk to me for sure one of The things we know when you accuse someone lifts chin, they expose all this weakness, they get defiant because they are angry at being wrongly accused and they are demonstrative, there is anger, all kinds of things happen when a person laughs at you.

It should be suspicious, yeah, okay, last question here and then we'll go, oh, you had a comment, go ahead, go ahead, then we'll start here, okay, I just want to ask you, it could have been my imagination, say your name, oh Rita . but I felt like from the beginning I felt like it was something I didn't expect from him. He seemed very grateful to you for taking the time to give him time to interview him and I was actually surprised because I don't think I've ever seen a side of Donald Trump that was humble before, but he actually looked at you with such gratitude that I felt like you were agreeing. his side and that he had someone he respected, obviously who you had given him. he his ear your ear and it was obvious that he thought you were going to be fair and give him a fair chance to explain well what he had to say if you think about most of the interviews he does, he's either completely under attack or he's being absorbed by um and I don't do either and we've known each other for a long time and he knows I'm going to let him tell his story, but I'm going to ask him the questions, uh, like when I asked him the why question and he left. to one of his walks, um, I went back to, okay, now answer my question, why do you put yourself through this, why do you do that and that's when he kind of freaked out he said wait a minute I've seen you do this before If I cry I'm going to leave my whole career is over don't do that to me um you know I think he knows um I'll give him a fair shot to tell it and I think he knows that people trust me to ask fair questions and he knows that interview will travel and has traveled, there are millions and millions of impressions on the Internet before it was broadcast. deployed, what are eight or nine bot farms already trying to poison the Internet?

I mean, people have gone on the dark web and they buy these bot farms and they come and put thousands and thousands of fake accounts on the Internet trying to poison people. the interview, uh, so he knew that this is not going to be insignificant, so it's not the normal noise, yes, ma'am, so I was looking at his internal name Ashley. I was looking at his inflation and how he showed him the piece of paper and the difference when he was in office versus Biden, but at the same time I know a lot of people are going to ask me this is that Coco was there during that time and that played a role in inflation, so what can you help me understand?

How can we take Covid into account with the inflation figures and how has Co impacted that? Well, you don't want me to start with that. During Covid, the government printed and distributed $5.5 trillion dollars to people who um invested $4.4 trillion dollars. your checking and savings accounts, which means they didn't need it when they printed so much money, money that had just lost value, so if you had $100,000 saved after working for years and years and years, it just became worth maybe 80,000, that's inflation, so, you know how that goes down one way or another and by the way, it started with Trump, not Biden, so they both have ownership in that, so it's a very complex look.

I can't add two, two and get five every time. I can read very fast and remember things very well, but I'm not good at math and I don't tell people what to do with their 401K. I'm staying in my lane, but I do know that inflation has really gotten out of control, don't you agree? Yeah, um, and I think you know, I know, under the Trump administration taxes went down and tax revenue went up. Because by lowering taxes, you stimulate business and generate more income, and they haven't realized that. I think I would vote for my dog ​​if he applied a flat tax.

I think it would stimulate the economy. It would be more money for everyone. So we'll see. Our time is over. All this will continue. Not really. Marago is closed, they closed for the season there, so they opened it, I mean, we had the ballroom to do all this in, it's a beautiful place, it's certainly worth more than $18 million, which they alleged in one of the lawsuits. It's probably worth it, seriously, it has to be worth several hundred million dollars, that's crazy. I've been there a few times for business and everything, so yeah, I get along pretty well.

I'm enjoying what I do. Robin is back there, she says. Hi Robin, so your first live show, I think so, this is true, this was the first live show today, so you guys did great, thank you very much, we, we came in, we got to the second exactly the second , so it is so. Very good guys, thank you very much. I appreciate it.