Podcast #169 - Logan Paul

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. It's good to be back. We took a little time off. of the holidays, we hope that everyone's holidays were amazing, fun and great, and 2018 has started in an interesting way. I guess you could say that's what we're talking about today is the whole Logan ball situation, but first we have some interesting things. Well, we have sponsors and I. I'm going to read you the sponsors real quick because you know we're going to take advantage of all the positivity we can today.

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like you know this is a podcast like you know a lot of this is like we're just here having a conversation so maybe we're not going to say everything perfectly and even just trying to gather information and things for this feels like a frustrating mess, it's like the most frustrating puzzle to try to sit down and organize and design, so I think the best way to do it is to just talk about it , so forgive us if we don't say everything perfectly.

I guess so, no, that's a good point, yes, it's a conversation like a puzzle that I don't want to put together. Yeah, and the reality is, after something happens and everyone's talking about it, there's a lot that can really be said about it, so I feel like when the whole Logan Paul thing happened and then all the videos happened after. kind of like I watched a bunch of them and then stopped watching them when they came up because I felt like a lot of them just repeated themselves with that being said, although I think a conversation should be had, you know, in the problem it doesn't matter who wants to have it. , it's just that I want to be able to bring some kind of new aspect, dynamic or thought, yes, and I will do my best to stay calm, yes, get too angry, not get too angry. because I know that's the feeling of a lot of people right now and you have a right to feel that way because some of the things that have been on YouTube are disturbing and disturbing, deeply disturbing to a lot of people and you're justified in that and you're justified in your anger. , why don't we start with how this happened?

So I woke up, it was New Year's Day, I think it was the first, yeah, it was the first, real quick, we got these new microphones. I'm still figuring out the levels and everything, so you just have to talk a little closer, yeah, that helps you be patient with me. I woke up on New Year's Day, I think, or you know you took a nap or something, so we were looking. Hello. I'm REE Drummond, welcome to my frontier, this is what's going on at the ranch, those were happier times and Julian tells me he told me, did you see the Logan Paul video? and I said: no, no, I didn't know that you know a normal 30-year-old man.

The woman's response to, did you see, look at those videos and he said like he went to the Japanese suicide forest, okay, go and, you know, film someone who had committed suicide and I was like, "Okay, I want to see the video, so I did it." "I fastened a little bit to see the part where they got to the woods and where he filmed this person's body and my first initial reaction was that it was incredibly difficult to watch and not Anna like, I mean, you watch documentaries, you watch crime shows like you". I've seen pictures of people who have died before you know.

I was a juror in a murder trial. I watched a crime scene video on top of those as a very real experience. Yes, it was disturbing to see, but I was overwhelmed by the sensation of this. It's so wrong I feel so disrespected watching this. Even just watching it, I feel like I'm being disrespectful to that person and his family and I keep watching it until the end and Julian looked at me and asked me why. Are you still seeing that like you're seeing it and I was like I want to see I want to see what it's like I want to see everything and I want to see what it's like and obviously we was desperately trying to milk?

These two weeks of vacation that we've given ourselves and you know, people just come, we need to hear what you think, we want to hear what you think and this is the nature of our platform: I'm angry. on YouTube and we'll get into that, but we're policing ourselves and it's important to talk about these things and people are very angry and very upset and they should be and they should be talking about it, there's a lot of sketchy stuff going on. Go ahead and I want to talk a little bit about Logan and what I think about his current situation and there's so much to talk about here that I'm like no, yeah, I don't even know where to start.

I know, I think I agree, I think it's a little overwhelming, just think about the whole situation, but I want to touch on a couple things first. I think we should move on from the initial reaction we had to see where it went in terms. of how YouTube handled it and how it developed because of what YouTube did or didn't do and then moving forward as what we think of the situation as it is today, yeah, to be completely honest, I try not to. I like to consume too many similar vlogs and that's different than it used to be for me because when I started vlogging and it was early in vlogging I felt like it was like doing homework and that's something that Jenna, you know, gave me a lot of insight into when .

I started making YouTube videos like you have to know what's out there, it's doing your homework to know the landscape of what kind of video you're making, so initially I watched a lot of pigs and it helped me a lot, even just knowing what. I didn't want to do it, but it just gives you an idea of ​​what the landscape of that type of video looks like, which is so important that if you're going to be a creator you need to be educated in your field, that's not the same anymore. I pretty much never watch any vlogs and a big reason for that is that I feel like the idea of ​​vlogging has become so focused on surprising people for the sake of a video, a thumbnail and a couple of views. but then, forgetting what that means in real life and those two are so far apart nowadays in vlogs, you see the shock factor that you see running down the street, kind of stuff that you see as a lot of really annoying things, You know there are many things.

There are good blogs out there, but there are also a lot that I really don't want to consume and I think that's because it makes me feel like I'm watching something that really didn't need to be created for that stupid vlog. because the cause of what had to happen in life and I think this video that Logan made is a great example of that. My initial reaction to the video was like wow, I can't believe I clicked on this video. titled We Found a Dead Body and a Japanese Suicide Forest and then I saw that pretty much the whole thing, you know, the blurry face didn't really do anything and what affected me the most was that Jenna had said, you know you've watched yourself.

I've watched Dateline, you were in a murder trial, you were disturbed to see different aspects of the death, to me this was different than anything I've ever seen because of the fact that it was on a real vlog and that's what I'm so familiar with. , that environment is like my home. I've been vlogging for many years and I've even done vlogs in Japan, where Jen and I feel like we definitely should, you know, I feel like we should talk about it, but it's just Kermit crying out there, yeah, why don't you let him in? He is crying, he needs a hug.

I don't blame him, but yeah, I want to talk about that too because it's something I thought about. There was a lot of talk because obviously there are videos that came out after the original suicide forest video in which we unicorns had put together a compilation of his other Japanese vlogs that were all equally offensive and a YouTuber named Verena Scully had made a really good video talking about it. how her whole attitude towards her culture towards her country is like it's reminding her that I'm not speaking for her, it's like, I want you to watch her video so you can hear it in her words, but like it's reminding her of the way that she and her family were treated by other people because she was a foreigner and they thought she was very cute and talked down to her, it's like Logan treated a lot of Japan like a cartoon culture and almost didn't respect them as people, that's why it was capable of filming someone who had taken his own life and apparently felt almost nothing and I don't want it.

I don't really feel like getting into the conversation about his body language in the laughter and whatever it was, it was disrespectful and and other YouTubers have pointed out that yes, your content is like we went to suicide forest, but there is definitely a core there where it says: I hope we find a body or I hope we are all sleeping in this forest. Someone comes here to commit suicide and we Loghains dab dab dab can sit there and talk them out of it, you know what a great video that is. I want to talk about some of that in a moment, but it's like the Japan thing.

It's you and I who are Americans who have gone to Japan, yes I'm sure many of you are or I don't know what it is, it's very difficult to go to Japan and Tokyo in particular and not be overwhelmed by the sense of respect. which is everywhere, everything everywhere you go, I would do it before watching that video. I would almost say it's impossible to go there as an American with our American values ​​and our American culture and not be affected by it in a positive way like it's really hard to go there and be like that, whatever, it's so powerful to accept the way that They think they do things differently in terms of respect than we do, it's so admirable that those parts of their society, their culture, are so moving. we as Americans, where everything is like me, independently driven, driven like me before everyone else, I'll do what I want, everyone, this is like you can get a white picket fence, you can reach with the stars, the limits are infinite for you as a person and go there and it's very difficult and be moved by how they treat their belongings how they treat other people how they treat children how they treat people on a train yes it's like their food the article the problem the problem for me when the unicorn video came out showing the rest of the vlogs in Japan and by the way all it took for them to make that video was literally watching their other vlogs which makes you wonder and begs the question that I'm not going to lose the time, but it begs the question how many vlogs did this guy make doing God knows what God knows where and disrespecting something that you could really get upset about and annoyed by to the point where, wow, it's embarrassing that that guy does what I do. either that guy is embarrassing because he's from my country or that guy is embarrassing because he's frankly, you know, a disrespectful person, whatever my problem is if I'm sitting here and I've never traveled to Japan, all I've seen in Japan is things on TV YouTube, the Internet, everything I've heard about what it's like there, I've seen movies, I've met people who lived there, this and that, but I've never been to Japan and seen that video.

I said to myself, wow, that's it, that's it. I'm very happy, I feel like that's very disrespectful and that makes me angry, but like Jenna said, like you just stated the fact that we werethere and we had to feel it every day. That we were there, we were able to feel that respect and that culture shock in the most positive and transformative way every day, we were there, wherever we went, whoever we talked to, walking at 3 a.m. m., looking as if we were walking down a street at 3 a.m. m. In Japan, not only was it quiet to the point that you could hear a mouse running down the street, but there were also bicycles leaning against unlocked houses, no one, no one, you can't steal it, all you know, everywhere there is umbrella. that people take from certain establishments use them and leave them in other establishments and no one steals them that's why that system works the taxis are impeccably clean we met a taxi driver who spent the whole day before picking us up trying to find a guy who left his wallet in his taxi like everyone else we'd met and every place we'd gone, we just had this mixed feeling that fucking America can be really disrespectful and I didn't even think about this.

I don't even think about a society that existed like that and today, you know, the time and the age, and then we come home and we're like, wow, and I mean culture shock because we never had, I mean, personally . It had never occurred to me that a place like that with people who respected each other, who were complete strangers and respected only the well-being of the community, cleanliness and peace, existed today. It seems like a utopian, false idea, until you leave. to Japan and then you see it and for that to be our experience in Japan and something we will never forget, we have talked about it long before this video came out, we will never forget our trips to Japan for that. be our experience and then watch Logan's video, it's just that there are no words, it's like we made a little mistake in Japan by accident, like we said something wrong or accidentally, you know, we feel horrible, so for that come that video.

It's like holy, I mean, yeah and I agree with you on all those things and I want to clarify that as YouTubers, you know we're not in a position to demonize another person for doing something or you know we've made mistakes, everyone makes mistakes and I have seen people defending Logan since this video was a mistake, he apologized for it and I also saw them HOF comparing my fish apology video to his apology. I laugh, it makes me laugh, it's okay, you guys are funny. but I think it's the difference between how someone handles a bad decision, you know, the time period, I don't think it has anything to do with it.

For my apology video, I was sitting with the fact, I think a lot of people didn't understand the meaning of that and continue to not understand it, but I was sitting with the fact that I'm vegan and I care about animals and I put them in a place. where they shouldn't have been and I was sitting with that guilt and the guilt was overwhelming and if someone you know really feels bad about something they've done, I think you can say it doesn't have to be something very long or drawn out and I think a lot of people are fixated because they can't, aren't convinced, or can't fully tell if Logan feels bad about what he did or if he thinks what he did is wrong because if you're going to play.

The other side of this, there are many other YouTube videos on the Japanese Suicide Forest circulating around Tokyo or other countries or other places being really disrespectful and annoying. I mean, just look, asshole, this is all his stuff for years and years and years, so loud. and nasty we can be, you know, it's not like it's everywhere, I mean, he's gained, however, over a million subscribers since then, I probably think he's not losing subscribers, so it's important to talk about it and I think even like when I was younger. person you know I listen to questionable music I hear or see questionable things my mom would let me do things like that and I understand that there are a lot of kids and a lot of people who look up to Logan and really like Logan and what he did was not right and what YouTube is doing It's not right and I feel like the important thing about what my mom taught me was that you can decide if you like them or not, you know how to have a conversation with children and it's not whether you're a parent because I'm not a parent.

I don't have a son. I'm not telling you how to be a parent, but just like your little sisters, your cousins, your brothers, you know your neighbors, you talk to them about it and you help them understand it. You can really enjoy someone a lot, maybe they just like the fact that he's entertaining and he's just a young guy. You know you don't have to understand it, but what you do have to understand is that that person is not infallible and mistakes and then it's okay to call them out, you know, I mean, I think that's the role of the YouTube community here, since YouTube is not making apps of any kind, it's up to us, it's up to the people who own the scam. the platform and this clearly hasn't hurt him in any way, it's important to talk about it, it's important to talk to your little family members, your little friends who are Logan Paul fans, you know, I don't think it's a is a effective strategy like, for example, I liked corn like Marilyn Manson and like a child prodigy, things that would just make your parents say, "Oh my God, are you okay?", "Will you be okay when you grow up?", and They'll worry about you because Some things really aren't right for a fourteen year old, I get it, but my mom always let us listen to whatever music we liked, she'd talk to us about what was in Rose's song on the show or like you already know. that this part of it is not right and you know that they are expressing some of that as if it were art in music or maybe in film or on television, but it is very important to have a conversation with your child and I think that maybe many people, many parents, many friends say you can't watch, you turn it off, it's rubbish.

Logan Paul is trash, leave it alone, but maybe an important strategy here is because clearly people are going to continue watching him is to just have a conversation with the younger people in your life, you can really enjoy someone as an actor or a musician, whatever. , but if he does something that crosses the line, you should let him know and you decide as a person what your values ​​are. Does that align with your values ​​and isn't just your kid on their iPad or on their phone watching YouTubers like Iggy? That's what scares me the most is the way parents generalize, like they're on the Internet.

They're just watching YouTube now, their friend, but they're not paying attention to what it is, and in fact, not only are they not paying attention, but like when the kids went to Jake Paul's house and the parents were . there with them, that's how far these people are from reality and scruples and morality is the fact that they say, yeah, yeah, you know, um, I imagine their conversation with friends like, yeah, yeah, no, I'm going. to take my son. do this with the youtuber and then see each other later without knowing what's going on, yeah, nothing, no clue that that is a reality for that person you know, regardless of how that situation developed, but very quickly, there were so many there tweets like the ones you know that refer to suicide hotlines and if you need help speaking you know a lot of tweets that were being retweeted a lot when this whole video was initially posted and one tweet that caught my attention was Hi, real quick parents who are on Twitter, there's a video going around right now that your kid is probably going to see or has seen, yeah, maybe consider having a chat with them, which is kind of a no-brainer for most people, but that's the reality of this.

This isn't just another YouTube video in the subframe like his parents need to wake up and I think the parents thing is a good point, but this is what it is, this is what it is and that's what the severity of the situation is. it sucks so much, but it's also like a good it's a good note for parents to say okay, well this isn't just I don't know, it's like YouTube isn't YouTube isn't family friendly, like you can't assume that everything "There will be peaches when, in fact, this could cause real harm and has probably already caused a lot of real harm to children.

Well, I mean, I think the important thing is that we see this all the time on Me & Greets, "We hear this all the time." time just on the street, anywhere, when we meet the parents and they leave, yeah, I have no idea who you are, but my son loves you, so you know it's cool, you see interviews with parents waiting in line to get to Jake Paul's house, for example, which is a caress. The zoo comes back every time and they say, yeah, I don't know what the kid is, but my daughter loves them so I would do anything for them, it's not cute, it's not funny, it's not right, you're not being a good parent.

Yeah, so you don't know what your kids are up to, I'm not saying it again, I'm going back to the point I made about the way my mom raised me, which is to say, I'm not saying you should dictate what they can. and I can't hear you and I know damn well that if there's something you can't see, eventually you'll find a way to see it because you're a little kit and you figure out how to see things. you can't see, you know what I mean, we rate our movies and anything that sneaks into a movie theater, kids will figure out how to watch it by telling them not to watch that person, it's garbage, I'm not sure. as an effective strategy, but a conversation is an effective strategy and it bothers me that I've seen a couple of videos with parents saying I'm having a conversation with my son about this and where is my daughter or my little sister or my cousin.

I know this because simply being blind to it may not help you either. There is a level of decision-making that I think is very important for young people to have when they decide what they want to see and what they don't, and they should. It's not always at the discretion of their parents, as I think it's important for a 13-year-old to be like I liked Logan Paul, but I don't think I like him anymore, you know, and to have a chat with a loving adult who says okay because. Do you feel this way because the alternative is that they go into their Twitter DM fandom group and encourage each other about how Logan made a mistake and that everyone is an idiot for criticizing him and then suddenly they go back to that twisted guy? from the world where they don't have any input from reality or any advice from parents about any of this or even just like someone to talk to who isn't like some low gang, like I don't know, that's it, we're in the It was social media right where our parents were, you know, if you listen to Madonna, there's so much sexual stuff in there that you can't hear it.

I mean, that only gets you so far, but you're in a time space where, in theory, everyone has a voice and can use it. I think it's important to teach your kids that this person is literally no different than you, that they're on a democratized platform, that if they're doing something that you don't think is right, it doesn't matter if you're 11, you should feel that way, you know. what am I talking about, you have the right to feel that way, you are important and you matter in this space, you know that, whereas years ago it was like they could get away with being ignorant.

Annoying racist for years until someone made a big enough fuss to take it off the air yeah, you know, yeah, it doesn't work that way, everyone has an opinion, everyone has the same opinion now and honestly, it's like one of the most intimidating parts of this. The whole problem is seeing the fallout from his fans and seeing how I, even though he likes her even in his apology video, was like, "Don't defend me, you like me, you see, I mean, I've looked around." me too". I've seen some really weird things, it scares me how stupid people are in how they follow who they follow and how little they think about things, just objective, from time to time, and I think such an important part of growing up is how to learn. a moral compass, so to speak, and developing a moral compass from your environment, the people you meet, your teachers, your peers, but learning your own version is a very important thing in becoming an adult or a young adult. and the big problem with youtubers and youtubers like

logan

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who have a large number of followers and again, you are not responsible for what each fan of yours does, but the problem is that it really discourages the idea of ​​thinking objectively about what is right and what is wrong?

For a second, there's so much groupthink that it's almost like a lost cause trying to determine what's good and what's bad, because if the person who liked it, that discussion isn't happening with anyone. I mean, one of the things I also wanted to talk about before we get into all the YouTube responsibilities, yeah, we can take a little break before yeah, it's kind of similar to what you just said and I feel like I have a First I would say a couple of things directly to Logan. The first is that I want to be careful. You know, we are talking openly and honestly about this topic, since a lot of people are on the Internet, but I want to be careful with the mafia. mentality by demonizing someone, you know, what I think he did was really irresponsible, really insensitive and really terrible, and he should be criticized for it, but I don't want to contribute to the mob mentality well, it's just not productive in this, no, no It is, but talking about it is productive and we know that it creates real change on the Internet.

Yes, have a conversation. I agree. Another thing I want to talk about is thatWe know from the experience and experience of other YouTubers or content creators that their work is unique, especially if their job is to share their life every day, the monotony of that is mind-blowing where they are. I know many of you aspire. be vloggers and you do it and you want to do it and everyone hits the same wall as if it were just one person and life is relatively boring when you live it and you know that much of it is full of you entertain yourself by watching something else or playing a game we are talking to your friends or petting your dog or going for a walk in silence.

I'm asleep right now and it becomes very difficult to entertain people if you're just yourself, so I can the path for a lot of vloggers becomes this okay well, let's start structuring ourselves into some vacations, some trips, let's travel, let's go to places, let's do things, let's structure activities during the day so that we can have inferior content and if there weren't already people who have been doing this for years, if this was the first time a vlogger did something over the top and people are upset about it , I'd say it's fine, but unfortunately for Logan and Jake, even Jake, there's a lot to talk about.

Jake, but there's been a decade of people before you who have vlogged openly and honestly about their struggles and how it's ruined their lives, their relationships, their financial situations, a lot of their friendships, their businesses, it's destroyed a lot of them because They've put their entertainment first and I think this vlog in the Japanese suicide forest was a perfect example of someone who has put entertainment first so much that they've forgotten how to be a person, like you're directing anything. other business people come first, you need to have good people, if you are working with a bad person or bad people, it doesn't matter how good you are at what you are doing or whatever, you have bad people around you. first in the sense that you put yourself first, your morals first, he has completely lost track of everything that is not content, you know, because if people came first, you would find yourself in that situation and you would say, oh Oh my god, this is not content, this is.

It's not right, you know, but he's in the thick of it where it's like everything is happy and now I've lost myself as a person and I know we hear about these stories of people who have sold their soul to the devil for fame and success and blah blah blah if that's just if you took it as a loose interpretation, something like this is an example of you having forgotten who you are as a person or what makes a human being a human being than a person who has committed suicide. that thing that is hanging from a tree is still a person and not content that is in my definition now you have sold your soul you are no longer a person you are doing everything for your job your entertainment your money whether or not you monetize the video or not because no, I don't care about those details about how he hadn't monetized it and they just didn't remove it and generally you train the content that you've put in, you put in your work, your entertainment. everything that's in front of being a good person, that's me, that's the definition of selling your soul, there's nothing there anymore and I'll tell you that you know his channel is growing so I don't.

I'm doing everything I can not to. Do this as a bandwagon slam fest and I did, someone was like you defended Logan Paul and on the other podcast and I'm not sure I did it, I talked about what my personal interactions with him had been like and that he was professional. He arrived on time. He had approached me years ago when he wanted to drop out of school to pursue YouTube and ask me what he thought about it. I am a promoter of education. Of course, I thought you should stay at school, but he should, ultimately. do the right thing by yourself I'm not sure that's offending anyone, but I accept your criticism, but because of all this, I just don't know well, he has lost himself as a person in his work and I will tell you how difficult it is.

It's that you've lost the respect of the community and yes, your channel is growing and yes, you're doing well and people will continue to watch you, but when I don't, I think people greatly underestimate how difficult it is to stay anywhere. In the industry, when you have lost the respect of your peers and colleagues, it is very difficult and we have a certain control and people no longer work with you, people are no longer going to work with you, people are no longer going to be with you and I know that you're a maverick and a lone wolf and you think you can do it all by yourself because you're a 22 year old kid who's on a rocket ship and thinks nothing can stop them.

That is not true. It is incredibly difficult to exist. in a space where no one has your back and that is incredibly isolating and lonely. I think we've seen that several times within the YouTube community you don't mean mmm-hmm. I think the idea is a very good point. Someone likes to be detached from reality because of how far they are in this hole of creating content all the time and then being the most modern and cutting edge and doing shocking things and having a brand that's bigger than anything in the world. world. and I think the decisions he made to document what he documented and publish what he published and react how he reacted to those decisions were, as you said, completely blinded by numbers and ego and his own brand and trends and this and that. but I don't think that's the case, I think it's a good point and you can relate it to the before and after too, like if you watch the videos of him running disrespecting everything and everyone in him. that foreign country that is all about respect, all he was thinking was not I want to go be content, I want to make it shocking, I want my friends to film it, I want to be funny, I want to see a lot of comments telling me how funny and entertaining what was this I want it to trend I want a million views I want a billion views whatever it is that's all I had in mind it's not like Logan is like this horrible, evil man who walks around doing these things that you've lost, it's completely clouded by this idea that you need to be number one at whatever it is you're trying to be number one at which in the Internet age is so fucking complicated now it's like, I mean, what?

If what is the correct objective? Like, what more could you want, but I want to relate what you said, plus the before, after, and after, meaning the apology video he made because it really was one of the most infuriating parts of this whole thing for me. because it was so rehearsed and so bad and so fake to me, this is my opinion, like you would have had a different reaction to that apology video, but to me it's like he woke up, whoever his people are, whatever he I told him, hey, that tweet you sent. wasn't well received, we need to make a real video, it's time to address it.

I need you to be like, let's be really genuine, let's apologize, this isn't and Logan is the actor that he is because he's an actor, this isn't. my words, those are, you know, that's what he wants to do, he's acted in movies before, that's what he likes, I felt like I was watching a stupid audition for some kind of dramatic scene in some movie with that apology video , there was no no, there is nothing like it. pauses there wasn't um there wasn't we there wasn't uh you know like everything was like calculated scripts with him like watching him was just oh I mean I can't even tell you how uncomfortable I felt watching that apology call video and then , after it ended, I felt that no one regretted it.

I just felt like it was just another piece of this whole puzzle that he added to his channel and that's another thing like he would have been different if he had done what he had done. I waited a couple of days, disappeared on camera, made a mess everywhere, but somehow it was a genuine apology where he wasn't, he wasn't well spoken, he wasn't well lit, he wasn't, yeah, no. I don't know, I don't know anything about the video being genuine. He really could have conveyed at least 10% of me that he was sorry and it would have made me feel good, he could be awakening as a person right now.

All of this could have woken him up, but the sad thing for me is that it felt like a three-part series where he's still not a person, he's still lost in that world, yeah, I mean, there's absolutely nothing worse than a Bad excuse like you. You're not sorry, you know why you wasted our time, you had that reaction, yeah you're not sorry, and me between Jake and Logan when all the things you know hit a fan with the two of them and they feel the need to half-ass, apologize or whatever, you don't have our respect, it's as simple as that and if you want it like you do, you just have to stop with the one up, it's like the next thing we're doing is bigger and better. than ever and I can relate to some as almost nothing of what they are doing, but with some additive internal attitude because I feel like part of my younger self and my career was playing a bit of a character and a you.

I know an extension of myself, not a lie, but some of it is a little bit hotter than it normally would be, so it's like we have this amazing outlet with the podcast with live streams and stuff, even vlogs where I like you. I don't constantly feel this pressure to be that certain person 24/7, and I see a lot of that in both Jake and Logan, especially Logan right now, when you watch some of his vlogs and see him. what he's doing there, you can tell he is. stuck in this box of I need to be over the top and entertaining and if I'm NOT then I won't have an audience and people won't care maybe that will happen but I'll tell you from experience.

As I'm sure many other people would draw attention to, you've already done the hardest thing in the world, which is like it's not in the world, but still people greatly underestimate how difficult it is to get people to worry. what you're posting or what you have to say or what you're doing you've already done everything you can it's okay to put this aside as an act of oh my god this is so crazy let's do something crazy and crazy and entertaining, you know, It's okay, it's just being your normal self, people are already interested in you and this is like something in psychology, I think it will always stay with me forever, it's like when you work with another person, the number one rule is do no harm do no harm to the other person as you can you can it's up to you and your freedoms if you want to reveal things how you want to work with them how you want to talk to them what you think works but rules Number one is do no harm, you know, and I think these vlogs where we're just dumb and crazy and crazy, we're Mavericks, may be fine, but if one's rule is do no harm, then like 10 minutes of your 10 in 1 vlog doesn't exist, you know, yeah, if you're just thinking maybe you weren't in this position, no you didn't get into this because you wanted little kids to look up to you or not.

I don't think this is your audience and now you're in this position, okay, I don't care, but you're at this point, you know, 15 million people watching your YouTube channel can't hurt and you really think about it. and sit with it and when people criticize your apology, when people criticize what you've done in your vlogs, listen to them, don't just touch them and say they hate you, listen to them, internalize them, think about them. things differently in the future, like I'm not looking for Jake or Logan or any of them to just humble themselves for 10 years and say how sorry they are, no one wants we want to see you grow and learn and change, you know and you have. more a connection to reality and what you're putting into the home because clearly YouTube isn't going to shut down any of their channels, they're not going to stop anything and kids aren't going to stop watching them, their channels are only going to continue to grow.

So what we want, and I think what would be good to start over on the path of earning the respect of your colleagues here, is to show some growth and stop, maybe from time to time, take a break from being a idiot on a foreign street. country and just be yourself. I think people who aren't your brother will find it incredibly liberating to be yourself for a while and not some over-the-top character, and mind you, while all this was going on, there was a leaked video. of Jake Paul saying the n-word and the whole video of him saying I lost my virginity to a miniature Erica Castel sitting on him almost as naked and that stuff is barely news because at this point no one cares. that you just said the n word, do you understand how little respect people have for you that when you get caught saying the n word openly out loud and people have almost nothing to say about it, it's not even like that? even a news story, nothing to say about it to the point where we don't respect you enough to even cry or be angry or upset or have anything to say is, is, is a note, is a no-brainer to me, yeah, but It's important that you are a very very very different person than you are or will ever be and you are different now and ten years ago than you are or will ever be like you are just a completely different human being and I want to talk to that real quick so as I have never played a character, so to speak, on YouTube, as you know.

I've vlogged and I think my vlogs have evolved before and I've been a little bit different and stuff like that, but the idea that it's just liberating.be a little different. make a living and not feel like you need to embellish and exaggerate. I think that can only resonate to a certain extent with a person who is, and I don't mean business-minded, but I mean competitive in the in the world of what I want to be, I would just say ego-driven, like egocentric. I want to be number one online. I want to be the this and that that you look at them every time you hear them talk, like when Jake Paul came out on the h3 podcast the things that he was talking about, like his goals, he says: I want to be a billionaire and I want to own everything that What they want is this, something they want and that is really important to them is to be so big. in the world of money and power and what they have created and where they come from and this and that when actually it's okay, but before all that, before all your achievements and everything you've done online and all your points of view, your numbers and your money like before, all that, don't forget that you need to be a damn human being to other human beings, which is very easy to get lost in that train of thought and, once again, I can't relate to that . line of thinking you can't either so you can to me that says everything about a person yeah when people asked me what do you want to be in five years like I don't know I didn't know what I was doing five years.

I have been in favor for years that I don't even want long-term goals and even if I wanted them there are vague things like I would like to be happy or I would like not to say goodbye to my dogs, it was my only tangible goal when I was around 21 years old. I want to live a life one day where I don't have to say goodbye to my dogs like 4:7, that's what I want for my future and I'm living it and I'm living the dream, but right? I just can't relate to someone whose goals are like I want a billion dollars.

Well then guess what that type of person is who has no other type of goals other than to be the biggest, the best, the richest, that says all I need. to meet about 100 people, you're willing to do all the gross, disgusting things that don't always, but often, involve being that person, which makes that human a person prone to just being a bad person, other people have reason and I want to say like Personally I agree with everything you say, I think it's solid and I think it's good advice for anyone hearing their loss and needing advice, but at the same time you have to remember that you are not that person and as much as don't identify with that, they may not identify with you as a person whose goal is simply to make money and be powerful, like all those people who have those goals, they are not just about people, but many times they are very prone to be. . less a humanitarian and friendly neighbor than the average person who has some kind of balance or moral compass because you have those blinders on and I and I think you made a great point, but it's important to remember that many of the people who have those goals are connected that way they may not see any value in what you just said and there's really no tangible problem with what it is and well this is my thing so I feel like I know a lot of adults like that and I've met a lot people like that in my entire life Jake Paul and Logan Paul are both young men, they are very motivated, they are very excited about their careers, yes, they have made a lot of mistakes and I guess we are going to move on. the road is getting worse and worse and we are watching from the outside and see the damage it is causing but in some ways it is admirable that a 22 year old is so hungry to achieve his dreams and success as little kids see it as a success story, they are inspired by it, they inspire such hard work inspired by their mansion to me as an adult and when I see other adults like that, there is nothing admirable about your work ethic to me. no friends, no relationship, nothing in your life but your job, it's easy to throw yourself into a job and forget that other human beings exist, that to me is selfish, that's fine, do what you want, but I know many people who They become lawyers, doctors. and they just forget about everyone else, good for you, you've done very well in your career, but what is it that I think is impressive and there is someone who can balance things out.

You know people who have kids and a boyfriend or girlfriend or friends they like. Take care of the parents who like to control, you know, there's nothing admirable to me about burying your head in your job and just denying that the rest of the world exists and that's why I feel like this is lowering your career before anything else. and you see people afterwards and the aftermath making these exposed videos about Jake and Logan saying, yeah, dude, I was part of team 10 and as a friend, he was actually kind of a jerk to me and it wasn't nice. and you know, a lot of it sounds like he's getting in the way of money and business, ruining his interpersonal relationships, it doesn't surprise me at all because it sounds like someone who was very focused, yeah, and guess what if all you want in life?

It's money. get it and you will not get anything else you will not be happy you will be miserable it does not matter if you are not happy before you have money you will not be happy after you get money you will never be happy Be happy and the people around you will never be happy, you will be miserable inside, like this what he sees I think kids are allowed to decide what they want and like and I hope they see some of the things. I don't know the difference. between something that is really admirable and something that is not, I agree, I agree and I think the narrative of YouTubers telling their audience in the world how hard their work is is so exhausting, God, I'm so, yeah, it's a snooze party and everyone knows everyone who does that and will tweet tirelessly about his routine and his schedule and all the work.

I mean, first of all, shut up, and second of all, second of all, all the work that's actually being done that really matters to the world is the work that you. You're not tweeting 24/7, that's fine, so even if you're not like Jenna and you don't and you might have something like uh, you know, I believe in hard work and that It's all that matters and work is all that matters maybe. you think maybe that's what you think and maybe that's how you live your life and that's totally fine, but I think even you, that person, will agree with me when I say maybe just do it and stop talking about it. , is not preaching to people how lazy they are. they are and how bad they are worth find out how you set yourself apart from the world by your routine shut up just do it there's nothing like what you're doing is one step back ten steps back for any hard work you may have done something which I don't even know if you have because all I see is you tweeting about it and posing these videos.

We thought: what part of a sports team? Have you ever been on a team of people? It's always just you because the person on your sports team who acted like that didn't get very far if he's just busy and everyone else around me is lazy, you know who your most admirable teammate is, the one you can trust. it would just serve and not save that's the person you want to be I don't know, I feel like when I was a kid, a lot of people I liked, celebrities I liked celebrities had crushes on, but all my role models They were like tangible people that they did something that I found admirable, you know, it means that yes, or even now, as an adult, it's not like I know someone who is untouchable in terms of talent or wealth, or you know it's someone like Joe Rogan, a man like me. 'll Alec seth macfarlane Oh, I like my mom.

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It would be easy to spend all day, but I think we should end YouTube and I know how angry you are about this and I know that it is, it's hard to talk about this in words, as you know people. We're just going to take weird things and spin and you know you're going to get mad no matter what you say, so this is really hard, we're trying really hard, I'm trying really hard, I know you know it, I know it and real quick, so everyone those under Iraq know the video of Logan with the dead body and it was on the training page for a long time and it was there until Logan himself took the video down from YouTube, he didn't delete it, then his apology video was on the page of training for approximately two and a half years. days, I got around 20 million views whether it was monetized or not.

I don't even think we need to get into that, like who knows personally. I really don't think it matters at all, you know, monetizing a video through The Shape isn't the only way to benefit from that video being online and being shared. He has gained like 80,000 subscribers in a day.week mm-hmm and he is the views and mypoint is monetizing a video just because someone doesn't monetize a video or there are no ads on a video doesn't make them a saint, so it's fine, like the video is still running. share is still loading, there was still an option anyway, going back to the YouTube problem, which I think revolves around the fact that what YouTube has been watching over the last year and a half with all the D monetization and all the control over What they think is Dima Bowl or what is considered suitable for advertisers and what is not has been such a hot topic recently, so the fact that they allowed this video to stand is a bit Amazing.

Personally, I still don't do it. I don't understand how that happened. I don't understand how they haven't even said anything about it. I also think the icing on the cake is the fact that his apology video trended for so long at number one, like it was the red gold of YouTube. boy like I don't know man I don't know I don't know I think that's it I don't know what it's hard to decipher the words right now because I don't know I don't know what I'm with you I'm with you a thousand things to say I think that's it Part of the reason why it's really hard to talk about this podcast is because there's a lot of things that need to be said, but I can't say them completely.

By the way, yes, one thing I will say for sure is that I am, I feel like I am a very cautious person when it comes to knowing a lot of the requests that are going around like As soon as someone does something you don't like, it's like shutting down this person's YouTube channel. If you don't close his channel then you know you're saying this is okay and I'd always like to be wrong. on the side of caution, I think you know that the appropriate thing to do is to delete the video and delete their channel like anyone else does.

I think they should be banished from the platform. I'm not sure, although I know that all platforms do that, like Twitter. Twitter blocks people when they think there is hate speech, they block a lot. Yes, they do and I think there are pros and cons to both ways, but YouTube I think has gone a different way. Because it's a video sharing platform and a lot of things fall into the category of videos that are obviously questionable, so they try, it seems to err on the side of caution as they don't want to just delete people's channels, but they do.

I have to keep an eye on what's here and you know what's good for our advertisers and what it is, but what borders on freedom of expression and you know, maybe presenting news or talking about lgbtq+ issues and as you know, I mean They have a lot of things that walk this ethical line of whether it should be on YouTube or not, yeah, you know, while trying to maintain the integrity of we want people to share on the site, yeah, and they seem to be almost joking, haha, laissez-faire, like they love being a giant corporation with these elusive rules and regulations and being like we don't know that no one to talk to has robotic answers everywhere and there are pros and cons that I feel are so I think a lot of laissez -faire is good and powerful because you know, even just 10 years ago, some of the content out there today would be outrageous.

I can't believe you're allowing these people to share. I can't believe you're doing these things, you know, I think it's important to continue to be progressive in that sense and that's what makes people angry, not that this suicide forest thing is a good example of that, but you know what I am saying. It's just that I think that sharing is important and it may not always be the zeitgeist for someone to share it and I understand that people get outraged and have this mafia mentality and they want this to stop and the answer is to close the channel of that person. down, but that's why they have the strikes and stuff in place and I feel like my position has almost always been.

I agree that YouTube should stay as far away as possible. You know there are a lot of great things and I'm not envious. Their job is to try to decide what should and shouldn't be on YouTube, it's a mess, so you say it's not that place to determine content, no, I'm saying they don't intervene and my position has always been the same. I've been a little more conservative or I err on the side of caution instead of someone something I don't like deleting their channels back to my work yeah it's back to being something like sand pepper when we talk about people like deleting it's Challenger like no you can't just delete someone's or PewDiePie, there are many different examples where people say you need to delete their channel, how dare you. and I've always been the ones in the position of, I think. we have to err on the side of caution because then once you start getting into that territory people get hit with the hand of YouTube and we don't know where it's coming from or why I feel like some of the videos that get removed get demonetized like they certainly a lot of people had a lot of questions and you know that nothing is being clarified.

Certainly nothing has become clearer the more they explain things, which at this point is nothing, but I'd rather people say, Hello, YouTube. Why is this video demonetized? Hey YouTube, goodbye to this video, delete it. Hey, YouTube license. This ticks some secondary boxes rather than me not being allowed to have a channel because I'm a controversial person. No, I mean, yes and good. I want to argue that point in many ways when certain channels are affected by relentless D monetization, they sort of can't have a channel right, that's what I'm saying, they're not envious of their responsibility. to try to determine what we can monetize what we can't what is appropriate for this platform what is not you know what violates our Terms of Use, which are purposely vague so you can apply them whenever you want I'm not envious of that job.

I want to be envious of them deciding what this platform should be because there's a lot of responsibility, like a lot of what Twitter does when they ban people is because they use it to, you know, recruit for terrorist groups. and Twitter says we can't allow that we have to tell you to eat this, so YouTube may not have that problem because they've deemed all of that inappropriate for this site, but when we talk about it in the news, that's also now. it's inappropriate and then you know it's very gray, it's very strange, but instead of saying, hey, Philip DeFranco, you can't talk about the news, we're going to shut down your channel because you won't shut up about the news that they just monetized. them, so no, I'm not sure anyone gets complicated, yeah, what I think we have to agree on, do we agree, it's incredibly complex greed, I agree with the person's work on YouTube or the group of people who have to decide? what's allowed and what's not is a complicated topic and it's not right or wrong, yeah, yeah, but I think it's definitely deeper, but yeah, sure, but when I saw this whole thing with people saying, you know, YouTube needs to do something.

I'm usually the person who thinks that when YouTube does that for a person, it opens Pandora's box. I'm going to eat those words right now, because in this situation they need black, oh, sorry, this was really wordy, you know. get here, but the lack of response on this is unacceptable, it is absolutely unacceptable, like I can't even believe it, the fact that a video defining the violation of their Terms of Use is trending number one and YouTube year after year refused To do it. describe to us how and why the videos are chosen to be in that spot and be trending, they say it's like, oh, it doesn't even affect your views or whatever, we don't know, it's just that you know it's a fun little thing, no I like it.

I understand that some of them don't want to reveal it perfectly like they're cherry-picking, it's a great selection, it's absolutely by a select selection, a bunch of people are YouTubers like, okay, this is the cool thing and I don't want to say that and then A video will come out that will have 30,000 views and all the comments are like why is this about training? I don't understand. I understand why you need to incorporate new or smaller things. If you want it to be a little curated, like here are some things you might want to see today, okay, then say that, but to have a video there that literally defines the violation of your Terms of Use, how we need an explanation for al except that and me.

I'm not saying I'm not still thinking about YouTube. YouTube needs to remove Logan Paul's channel, but he should suffer the same consequences as anyone else in that position. There should be a strike on his channel. I don't know if you have received it. one but the fact that it was trending so they never deleted it, they didn't give their channel a strike and said they left it trending, they let Logan Paul delete it, they allowed videos to be re-uploaded, those too They travel to other countries. and then anyone who discusses the topic with other videos will flag us not for similar graphic content, which you think maybe it would be, but for misleading content.

I forget what the name is because it has a misleading title and thumbnail, so it's not like that. It doesn't even make any sense and it really irritates me that, yeah, even in the past with the Pocalypse ad with PewDiePie saying the n-word, you know, the community gets outraged and YouTube apparently at some point, if it's going down, they give their stance to the respect and it's definitive, you don't mean that in the past that's what happened, so I don't know how long we have to wait here for them to say something, but it's unacceptable that they just don't, you know, I'm saying 100% agree and I think if there was ever a clear violation of the terms of service they claimed to have in place, this video is a living breathing proof test subject, literally, what you are not, no one is allowed. do on YouTube and yet this will trend, oh but don't talk about this or you'll get demonetized.

That is, he is on YouTube. Bret, it's okay, he can do it well and I know there is literally no other conclusion we can draw here. right, yeah, they didn't say anything, that's lit, that's it, that's us just describing a chain of events, we're not giving our opinions on anything like this, that's what happened here in and I know we're not comparing apples to oranges here , but PewDiePie said a racist word in a not nice way and he got stripped of his YouTube reading show and this isn't a one to one comparison, no it's not, but there's a lot going on with no response from YouTube and So Much Jake like Logan will have their show, YouTube Red shows any YouTube title address and this is not even like we're postponing filming, yeah, or we're not going to investigate anything, we're not even going to investigate everything anyway.

I'll just say it, but the YouTube part really bothers me, it really means and makes it so small for creators that there's a bigger and bigger gap. We've known this about YouTube Pro for a while, so it really used to be a democratized platform with no barriers to entry and now it's even harder for someone who just wants to get started and pick up a camera today to get to where they want to be on YouTube, if that is. its objective, there is no longer zero barrier. Entering is relatively difficult, yes I understand it, but I like YouTube by not saying anything and by showing this, it could have this video trending number one, without consequences, YouTube's red program and you are crushing the little guys on YouTube for doing lgbtq+.

The content is mind-blowing to me, mind-blowing and we are not going to accept this as if we are investigating it further. If you're looking into it, the Logan Paul video would have been uploaded and then flagged immediately and as if the timing was right. First of all, as if the moment Logan Ball uploads a video, a team of people aren't notified on YouTube and can actually watch it. He has a team there. Well, number two, that video has been out for too long. whatever excuse YouTube now gives to be valid there is no, oh we didn't have time to determine it or we had cross references blue, there you had a million hours, dude, that video was available for a day, almost that video was available for that long , there is no excuse for the fact that everyone literally liked seeing a dead body and getting scarred by it and you guys couldn't do as much as maybe just delete the video, not to mention everything that happens with YouTube kids and dont discuss. us of what is happening, I refer to this wait as if, there have been situations in the past where we need clarification, we are asking for clarification and YouTube gives us this robot II answer that nobody wants or doesn't clarify anything, but At this point, they were basically caught in a blatant lie.

I honestly can't believe they didn't post anything at all. I mean, well, it's shocking, it's shocking and they say it's literally me. I'll be a betting man and say this video will be titled Logan Paul, the podcast. I think it will be demonetized, but I think it will be. I think you already know. I'll check. I'll check it when it comes up. but I can't imagine how I would feel if I were a smaller creator than Logan Paul, who is literally every creator except for you, he'll spend you with this maybe six hours, but I can't imagine if he made comments on my YouTube channel, there is nothing wrong with doing it as a channel, there are many great comment channels,but if you made a video like reflecting on something you're really excited about and you wanted to be honest with your audience or you're even a vlogger, whatever you're wearing, everything

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aki go is a forced situation and you got hit or demonetized, you got flagged correctly for inappropriate content when that part when you upload you're like okay here's me reacting to the world and here's me being honest giving my opinion on something that really genuinely affected me and that I can communicate about YouTube.

Oh, that's demonetized in the meantime, let's check out Logan Paul's training page. I don't know if there is another way to solve it at this time? Because there's just, there's no argument for them, right? There's an argument for them? No, but that's the ugly thing about this situation. The argument has always come down to we're a relatively self-policing community, we need to talk about these things and the best thing we can do when something happens and YouTube doesn't take action, which we've debated a lot in the past, but whether or not it's right. for you to take action, whether they should or not, whether they see responsibility or not.

You know, I still think there are a lot of gray areas there, so the most we can do is talk about it, but if there takes away your voice to talk about it, you'll just delete the videos or like your channel, but not the from Logan. Now we have a real problem. You're creating a wealth disparity, a barrier to entry, and now you. We're making it so people can't have an opinion about it and I want to say also about your apology video, what happens when Twitter has something on Twitter moments and it's the number one workout like me?

Let's give YouTube the benefit of the doubt for one. Secondly, maybe they played this number one training video. There's a wild fairy here, even though I know that's not true, but maybe they put that number one training video on because she's kind of an unlikable character for YouTube, even though we know that's not true. A you to YouTube red shows that he is in the movie at the end, this is in a world where YouTube views Logan Paul as if we don't like him so they put the suicide number one video in training because they want to show him. the world, hey guys, this kid goes up every day, in theory, he could be on the training page every day, we choose today because you want it, we want it, we want to show everyone what it is, let's imagine that world, okay Second world, let's be a trend. apology number one because we want everyone to know he's sorry we're just going to let him show his true colors yeah whatever yeah he monetized that apology but there were no comments on the video the important thing to me about Twitter is like when when a number one trending topic is controversial and it's number one, there are what's up.

You actually see people's opinions on it, but if you trend number one without any kind of conversation there, you're just feeding more into this machine the fact that something can be trending number one without any comments, you know? what do I mean? if someone's apology video, regardless of what it is, doesn't have any kind of discussion or conversation, it shouldn't be a number one workout, people shouldn't be able to click on that and then silently think their own thoughts, it has That there is an argument in my opinion or it's just entering the machine, that's a good point, you don't.

I mean, the video is no longer there, the video was deleted, so you deleted everyone's discussion about it, the apology video is trending, no comments about it, the discussion. doesn't exist and then you have people trying to have a conversation on their own videos that are being diluted there is no conversation when you are removing people's voices that is unacceptable when you don't acknowledge the fact that you allowed this to happen violates their Terms of Use Why does little game Paul violate the Terms of Use but people who want to have sex on YouTube can't know what I'm saying if they wanted to have a Pornhub section on YouTube?

You know they can't, but if Logan Ball wants to do whatever he wants, he can't make a good comparison, but you know what I'm saying, if you're going to make rules, I understand there's a gray area, there's some link. about them, it needs to happen so they can't have black and white rules of thumb, that would be a disaster and we know there are human aspects that come into that, but you can't have one of your main creators blatantly just. breaking the rules without any comment or consequences is ridiculous or conversational. I mean, if you're going to play favorites, at least hide it a little.

They like they made no effort, none, none, and Jake Paul also has a red show on YouTube and so do I. I've always said this about YouTube is that they have everything completely backwards and we talk about this when we talk about our YouTube reps, people that we've heard of from YouTube and they all have the same thing to say: They're number crunching robots that give you numbers. The crunchy robot responds when you have questions or concerns, it's like they have pre-programmed things to tell you that are incredibly vague and answer absolutely none of your questions because all they care about are the numbers, which is the worst possible way to do it.

About becoming competition for traditional television or film, if you want people to take you seriously, you can't just ride the wave of what everyone is paying attention to right now, you have to remember why YouTube is even cool right now. first place exactly where they've completely forgotten, but you see people come and go and you know it's naïve for a 22 year old to think I'm on an unstoppable rocket and growth is forever, someday I'll just have like you know, 7 billion subscribers, that's how many people there are in the world, like that's not going to happen, you know, and YouTube is quick to hook its ladder to whatever's exploiting this year, which I think is irresponsible, there are so many people like that. when the first round of YouTube red shows came and they offered it like mythical good morning and Smosh, you know, people have proven themselves like here.

I have a decade of work that shows you that I am a professional and I take my job seriously. and I'm not here to go around and be an idiot and then you watch YouTube hook up their ladders so people like Logan and Jake Paul who I like, what didn't you guys start a year ago, yeah, this is what happens when Boys make their living doing numbers and they only play with numbers. This is what is happening. YouTube has lost a lot of our respect and the Paul brothers have lost the respect of the community, so they all want to be buried together.

Oh, eat whatever you want. I don't know, I mean I don't know and the reason everyone I see calls all the time is like if YouTubers are so upset with YouTube why don't they make their own platform ridiculous and practice what I would be? It's ridiculous, really, but we love YouTube, we want YouTube to be better, but part of that is that they don't have any responsibility over their heads. YouTube is kind of the end all, Google is kind of like BL. them like they don't have to answer to anyone above that, which sucks because that level of arrogance and arrogance is more like no, it's not productive for them or the creators it's like a good example of this it's like you look at the patreon situation where a couple of weeks ago Patreon launched a whole new system about how they were going to get paid how they were taking a percentage and they didn't tell anyone they just implemented it and there was a huge outcry among all Patreon users .

The fans were like: whoa whoa whoa, what is this? I do not agree with this. My career is based on Patreon, which is a lot of people, this is not cool, you know, massive outrage and they were like, where is it okay? Sorry guys, we. We're not going to do that, thanks for telling us that YouTube has literally ever done anything even remotely close to that, no, no, and that's how much you could claim to benefit from it, oh so much, even just to show you to people whose voices are not. nothing correct and it would greatly benefit the platform.

I know they're huge players and they're in the internet space, obviously number one, but my goodness, how far would that go if they proved it once? I'm sorry even. about some kind of ecology he even tweeted hey where we looking, you know, in just one moment of being human, you're not this giant robot machine that's here to crush everyone except Logan Paul, like just a second of humility in the one that we can just I feel a little safe here, yeah, it lasts so long, it goes so far and it hasn't been done for as long as I can remember about YouTube and I, uh, and in the time that they've spent watching. and making rules and being a robot and shutting people down and not giving a single moment of real clarity or emotion or real communication has simply increased the distance between creators and the platform tenfold and now we feel like we're stranded. on this island sending our videos to outer space and whatever happens to them they are in outer space now we have no communication with outer space there YouTube, if we want a communication they will send a tweet to earth saying hello to This person will investigate this and you're like, Okay, cool, I still don't believe you exist, but that's it.

This is one of the hardest things though is that everyone you see is talking about YouTube and talking. about Logan and Jake's call, you know, other than celebrities are allowed to have their opinions or anyone who doesn't work in the YouTube space, everyone is allowed to have their opinions and think and feel what they feel about what What happened, it's difficult for us. talking about these things with YouTube because it's like biting the hand that feeds you, sometimes it's scary, like, yeah, I don't think I've had any weird conspiracy, like someone comes and tries to burn down my house or silence me or like is deliberately monetizing my videos but it doesn't make it any less scary to speak out against your employer and I want to add something that I don't think I'm breaching any kind of contract by saying just one of the people I've seen speak incredibly about this Logan situation Paul is Rosanna Pansino, who is one of the most advertiser-friendly people you can imagine, but she and Logan Paul we have one of the same representatives at CAA and even she's like understanding this is like YouTube saying we want YouTube to be a safe space for creators, also YouTube with shows like their YouTube reading show and like Logan Paul to come out and say what he said, that was a great sermon, this is someone who has a past with being, you know, promoted by YouTube, she has the same rep as Logan Paul as me on CAA, it's so hard it's scary on so many levels, like if I criticize Logan Paul on CAA, they're going to get mad at me or they're going to get mad. get mad at Rosanna Pansino, you see that a lot of people like that are not only afraid to talk about YouTube but about other things for other reasons, friendships, professional relationships, so I want to say that this is not an easy podcast to record, it is not a discussion either.

That's easy for us and to be honest, but it also makes me appreciate people who use their voices when they want to talk about these things in a constructive way and not just uh, I'm looking. retweet so I would love to Justine is another one just as a friend just saw you man yeah you did something wrong she passed. I've seen, yes she just saw, she's openly criticizing YouTube, like, come on, yeah, come on, I just seem like the only one. Reason why I ever started a YouTube channel like gosh, I don't know, I just feel like there's nothing less difficult to talk about and just the topic in the nature of it was difficult to talk about, but also, every time I you know we sit here and openly criticize YouTube, it gets a little scarier because it's like we won.

I mean, it's hard to think it's well received on YouTube if we're critical of what they do. What we are doing in whatever situation we are talking about, well, yes, it is a small position because this way, when they did something and did not respond, they were caught red-handed by letting you know by doing blatant favoritism and without attacking the someone's channel or delete the video and it blatantly violates the Terms of Use and doesn't say anything about it like in the past when we did these podcasts it seems like maybe someone could hear us, we speak loud enough as a community, someone could hear us and in this point it feels like no one is listening to us you know what it's not a good feeling it's a scary feeling it's scary because you don't know you don't know what's going to happen you don't know what's going on buddy it's wrong it's wrong and you know, if I were a dumb movie looking in from the outside and I'd be disappointed if we sat here every week and something controversial happens and you-tube and we just play a game and say you're sorry guys we can't talk about it because you're paying our bills or like, ya You know, and yes, friend, that's it andThat's not why you guys are here, that's not why you tuned in to hear us talk like I know you can find that nonsense everywhere, but yeah, it's not easy for us to sit and talk comfortably, go to sleep, wake up and say: "Okay, well, you know it's okay because we literally don't." I have no idea, but with all that said, we hope you got something out of this discussion, as we always encourage you to participate in the comments section.

We will review and read what they have to say. We'll keep it civil. I know. You guys always do it, but just a friendly reminder that you know talking down to people or you know something isn't productive. Good point, yes, and they don't feel like what we said is the right answer. We want to hear your feedback on what we have. Saying "yes" in a very civilized way would be nice because we're human beings and we're not here to be idiots, so thank you all for tuning in. I'm sweating, I hope next week we can do something much lighter and more. fun and exciting to talk about but like you said we felt like it was our kind of touch on this yeah quick now we stream on Twitch if you're new around here twitch.tv slash annejulien we stream games all the time like more like and they're more like many more custom games on pub G and thank you all so much, see you next week for another podcast.