Joe Rogan Experience #2138 - Tucker Carlson

There's a lot of stuff going on underwater and they're measured and whatever I mean, these are all again, this is like the most obvious observable level. but then you wonder what this actually is and you know if there has been extensive knowledge of this for decades, maybe 80 years at least, if not going back to the 30s, 90 years, you know to what end, so there are two possible explanations obvious explanations the first one is the one you hear often and it's so heavy that if the public knew it would be just disturbing, it's too scary, like you don't want to scare people for no good reason, there's nothing we can do about it and you also don't want to suggest that you know the US military is not capable of protecting the country.

Homeland um and it suggests that if you can't control these objects in your airspace and that's known, they can't, that's known, then that's just a limit to the power of the US military and you don't want to tell people that. . That's because then they like it, they won't believe they're safe, I get it, but then there's a deeper level that's like, well, what is your relationship with these things? What is the US government's relationship with these things? and there is evidence that a relationship exists. and that it's longstanding and that raises a lot of questions about intent and um and what is that and I personally decided um you know and people have been hurt by these things you know that's a fact it's a fact it's a It's not a fact , it's a demonstrable fact and he was murdered, and I'm not saying that millions of people have been murdered by whatever these things are, but people have been murdered and it is known because it is making its way through the courts outside of the VA, so I do not know.

I don't know of an object that is by definition supernatural, it is above the laws of nature as we understand them and that has resulted in the deaths of people where we don't spend enough time thinking about what that adds up to is not good in It's really not good how Do you think a lot of people have died because of this? I don't know, but I mean, I and it's radiation sickness, what is it, what is it, so the person that I talked to, I interviewed someone who was a professor at Stanford Medical School? By the way, he's worth talking to and, um, speaking of Gary Nolan, that's exactly who I'm talking about, who is effectively an expert witness in these cases, so he's an expert on brain injuries.

Do you know him? Yeah, yeah, completely believable person, um, checks. all the boxes that matter to me he has patents, so he is like many professors at Stanford University, he is independent Rich, he flew to I live in a remote place and he flew to my house at his expense because he wanted to tell the history. so he's non-profit here, he's the most credentialed person at the University, practically at Stanford Medical School, we think of it as a big deal, and he's been working on this for, you know, over 10 years, evaluating the injuries of American military personnel from being in very close proximity to these objects or having contact with these objects and his conclusion, as you know because you have spoken with him, is that some type of energy comes out of here that scrambles the brains of people or kills them and it's not exactly radiation, at least in He's telling me anyway, but the point is that people have died, yeah, and then you know it, it raises a lot of questions about what the hell is true, what the hell American citizens have died and you are hiding it, why? you're hiding that, why would you hide it?

Maybe because they don't have any explanation because it's beyond our understanding that they're still trying to piece it together like I wonder how much interaction they actually have with these. things like if I were from another planet or if I were some interdimensional being I don't know how much I would give for the president I don't know how much I would give for the government I would probably look at this childish race this species these strange territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons this very strange species I would probably see them as very chaotic and I wouldn't really care too much about who runs it, especially if they have the ability to travel at crazy speeds and go unnoticed and well, it depends on that, okay, so the template you're using to understand this is like science fiction, right? , they are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else, but the template that all other societies before us have used is a spiritual one, there is a whole world that we cannot see that acts on people, a heavenly world that acts on us all along, for better and for worse, every society has thought this before ours, in fact every society in all of recorded history has thought that until I'll be specific August 1945 When we dropped the atomic bombs on Hoshima Nagasaki and suddenly the West is officially secular we are God, there is no God but us and that is the world we have grown up in, but so it is an anomaly like no one had ever thought that there has never been a society that thought that all the others Societies have assumed it and have had all kinds of different explanations and the details differ, but the central idea does not differ and has never differed from the caves. until now we are being influenced by spiritual forces at all times and therefore for someone born before or who lived before 1945, I think it would have been much more obvious that this is what every society has written about and in fact , that battle.

That invisible battle around us, that spiritual battle has been the basis of every society of every Rel, of every religion, not just Christianity, so once you throw away your very recent assumptions, relatively speaking about how the world works, you are like that Seems like the obvious explanation, right? H, it's not that obvious to me, so what's more obvious? Do you believe? Well, I don't think there's an obvious explanation. I guess if I had to guess some of these things are ours and some of these things. they are propulsion systems that were theorized back in the 1950s antigravity propulsion systems things that can operate without igniting fuel and ejecting something that operate in a completely different way that uses gravity and can almost instantaneously transport to new places essentially folding space- time um, I don't know, there are things that the government does where they have these programs and the people who are sworn into these programs, whether they're physicists or you know the metallurgists or whoever these people are that are working on these programs. don't tell anyone that all their phones are monitored, everything is monitored, there is a culture of secrecy that is quite intense and it is not inconceivable that over the course of the last 70 years theorizing and finally implementing some of these things that they have developed drones that they could move in ways that conventional ones that people who understand conventional propulsion systems couldn't imagine and they figured out a way to do it and keep it secret and we're probably not the only ones working on. these things, but where did they get that information from?

Know? Do you know Diana Pula? You know her work, like they describe these crafts, these crash ships as donations, which is fascinating, so they stayed there, the crashed recovery program, the crashed UAP recovery. The program is essentially, you're going to solve this, we're going to block this here, you solve this and the question is if that's true, where do these things come from? If there is something that is so advanced that it is decided to leave us a little Trinket to that we can do backup engineering is that from another dimension is that from here is that from some realm that we simply don't have access to is from another planet if we have drones that are on other planets Right now we have a drone on Mars, you know, lunar rovers, we have satellites that we send to observe and photograph other planets.

We just got very detailed photographs of Jupiter, they're pretty amazing, but if something were like us on another planet. and but he lived uninterruptedly with technology advancing for a thousand years 10,000 years a million years longer than us what that would be like and how much we could understand of what we're seeing what would be what we could see and this idea that we monitor our skies, sure, but if something just appears and disappears essentially instantaneously if something can literally bend time it can bend space and simply traverse Traversing immense distances almost instantaneously, what are we going to see?

What are we gonna see? What type of detection systems do we have? We have radar. We have visual systems. We have a bunch of different military base detection systems to look for enemy ships and airships and all that, but if you're dealing with something, that's a million. years more advanced than us, how much could we detect well? So I think we are pointing to the same question. I mean, I have no doubt that the US government has technology that we don't know the details of, that makes sense. sure, but where did it come from right um I'm not even sure this is a separate but related question I'm not sure we really know where nuclear technology came from um actually when you really do like the Manhattan Project yeah, like we know that Manhattan we know something about the Manhattan Project, but where exactly did that come from?

You know, it came from Germany. German scientists were at work. Okay, um, a separate conversation, but the only person I know who really pushed me. I was writing a book about it. Who is a trustworthy person? and a friend of mine, I know you know him, told me I actually spent a year working on this and the closer I got, I liked it, okay, but what's the Genesis like? Where did he do this? What was the month? How was Isaac? Newton Apple in the head of the actual moment of gravity for fission is unclear, it's strange, I don't know the answer, but here's the point: clearly the government has technology that we don't, we don't read well of course, but that No.

I don't answer the question of why people have seen these objects in the skies for thousands of confirmed years and what they are and maybe they are from another planet and my only point is that there is no evidence that there is a large amount of massive evidence that They are seen by people in our atmosphere, you know, on Earth looking up or in a submarine looking out and what is that and by the way, we can't see them enter our atmosphere because they don't want to. be seen, so why do they want to be seen by people on earth as if the technology is so advanced and clearly that is why they make themselves visible in the first place?

Well, you know, when we study primates, uh, one of the things. we do that if you ever watch chimp Nation on N you don't have TV but how does it sound uh it's an incredible documentary on Netflix that details these scientists embedded uh in the Congo and what's really fascinating is that this group of scientists or, ya You know, related scientists have been there for over 20 years, so these chimpanzees have become completely accustomed to having humans around them, so these very specific rules keep you within 20 yards of them and, if They come closer, you back away, you will never have food.

You can never take food there because they will pick you up and steal your food. If they find out you have food you are in real trouble, oh yeah they tear you apart and kill each other so they can It will definitely kill you and by the time they have done this the chimps will have gotten used to them being there and the chimps behave completely normal. Chimpanzees see them simply as a harmless part of their environment, they are not food or enemies, they don't. They never pry, they don't try to challenge them, they don't make eye contact so they don't care at all about people, they behave completely like chimpanzees and if I were an advanced species and I was studying people and I wanted humans to eventually They would catch up, as if you were introducing a technology they call donations.

Accidents. Vehicles. Discover what optical fibers are. Here you have. Look at this. Discover this. Try to find that out. Maybe I'll take you. decades may take longer, but you are accelerating the technological evolution of this advanced species on this planet and one way to do it would be for what purpose. I'm wondering, well, that's a very good question. My belief is that biologically intelligent life is essentially a caterpillar and it is a caterpillar that is making a cocoon and it doesn't even know why it is doing it, it is just doing it and that cocoon is going to give birth to artificial life.

Digital life is going to give birth to a new way of life. and I think we're very close to that I think we're much closer to that than most people would like Adit agree I agree and I believe, but can we assign a similar value to that? Is it so good or bad? that is a good question, it depends universally I think it is the way I think it is what happens I think it is this if you extrapolate if you take the concept of a sentient artificial intelligence that has the ability to use all the information that each human being has in the Earth at a level of computing that is far beyond the capabilities of the human mind and all of our supercomputers that currently exist because it will design much better computers it will use quantum computers it will have the ability to recode things andchange things, it will make better versions of itself, so instead of biological evolution, which is very slow, it takes a long time relatively, it's quite fast, actually, when you think about it, like how long is not that long to spend of being a unicellular organism. to be a human being flying a plane really effectively over a billion years if you think about how long the universe has been around but it's slow compared to technological evolution I mean a hundred years ago we didn't have it and now we do .

We could send videos from your phone and they will arrive in New Zealand in a second. It's crazy what we do now is beyond imagination, it's essentially magical for people 100 years ago, if that continues it will eventually become a way of life and if that way of life has now been released, no has no problem with biological evolution, now it's about information and implementing the technology that is available and then increasing that technology and making it better and better, essentially it becomes a God because if you give it enough time, it doesn't, it has the ability to make better versions of himself, which in turn makes better versions of himself, has the ability to use everything he has, understanding everything that exists in the universe except black holes, Dark Matter, everything and probably has the ability to harness that or even reproduce it, so if you take it artificial. sensitive in intelligence and has this super-accelerated path of technological Evolution and you give Art general intelligence sensitive artificial intelligence far beyond human beings, you give it a thousand years just to make better and better versions of itself, where does that go? goes to a God, it literally creates a kind of God, so I think about it this way, so the first stage of the Industrial Revolution consisted of people building machines that were stronger than the human body, so the loom powered by steam safe than the combustion engine backo com. they replace, they replace the muscles, so that's what the machine does, it becomes stronger than the human body.

The second stage we are in the middle of is creating machines that are more powerful than the human mind. That's what Computing and I is. I would say that AI or supercompetition is that exponential, but that does not make it a God in the sense that the machine, no matter how powerful it is, just like a backhoe, is not a God because it can dig one more trench. faster than 100 men. It's still something that people created, so the story hasn't really changed. At the center of the story are people and their creative power can have unintended consequences, but the machines they built did not create the universe or make people.

People made the machines. true, yes and I, but I would say the part I agree with is that there is a spiritual component here, surely people will worship the AI ​​like a god. The AI ​​Ted Kazinski was probably right will move away from us, we will be controlled by what we did all those are bad so it is just bad and we must say unequivocally that it is bad, it is bad to be controlled by machines, right, machines are companions of helps like them, we create them to help us improve our lives, not take orders from them, um, so I don't.

I don't know why we're not having any of these conversations right now. We just act as if this is some kind of virus like Co that spreads around the world inexorably. There's nothing we can do about it, just wait for it to arrive. Of course, if we agree that the result is bad, and specifically it is bad for people, we should care about what is good for people, that is all we should care about, if it is good for people or not, if it is bad for people, then we should strangle him in his crib. right now, and why blow up the data centers like I do, no, why is it so difficult, if it is actually going to become what you just described, which is a threat to people's lives, humanity , then we have a moral obligation to kill him immediately and since he is not alive, we do not need to feel bad about it, well, you could say the same about the atomic bomb, right, yes you could, and you could say that we have to develop it as Oppenheimer felt before the Nazis.

I love that. How did it work? I love it because of the way people on my side will just say, I'll admit it, the right, you know, you've spent the last 80 years advocating for launching nuclear weapons against civilians, like yourself. joking that's like Prima fascia evil if you can't well if we hadn't done that then this is the other thing that was actually a huge life saver no it's wrong to drop nukes on people and if you find yourself arguing that it's good to nuke people, then you're evil, like it's not hard, right, it's not a hard decision, because it's not a hard decision for me, so with that in mind, why would you want nukes? ? weapons is like some kind of childish, pointless intellectual exercise to justify like oh no, it's really good because someone else understands, how about no?

How about you spend all your effort to prevent this from happening? Would you kill baby Hitler? Now you know. I don't know why we sit back and allow this to happen if we truly believe it will extinguish the human race or enslave the human race, how can it be good if God creates everything? If God created the universe and God creates. People God probably creates a process and we think that we are very important because we are very important to us, but are we very important in a universal sense? It's not really like the Earth would just implode and disappear if the Sun went supernova and our entire solar system.

The system was blown to pieces, the universe still exists, it depends on how safe we ​​will be in the end, as Conan O'Brien, the famous philosopher, once said, all graves are not visited, which is true and that is an important perspective , take out the lens a little. Really matters? No, it doesn't matter, but it does matter. Your children? How about this? Do your children matter? Yes, sure, their lives matter. Would you die for them? Yes, of course, everything matters if you don't feel comfortable. Does it matter if You're sitting here like you don't want to wear headphones, let's not wear headphones, that matters, everything matters, I mean, on a scale, what matters most, right, is, that's the evil, right, the evil is, that's what same, that is, The necessary evil of dropping nuclear bombs on civilians is that if you don't do it, there will be more evil and more things will happen.

It's more or less the same. It is not like this. It comes from the same place, which is ar

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ce. imagining that you are God you have unlimited power and you have omniscience you can imagine what the future will be you can't you are an idiot you are a person like you can't even make your wife happy like the limits of your power is really obvious, the limits of your wisdom are the same, so don't jump into big things whose results you can't predict with certainty, as if you couldn't know, go in with humility. I guess that's what I'm saying right, so yeah, um. and do what you can knowing that you will probably screw it up and probably not achieve your goal, but you should try it and about AI, ask everyone I've talked to, but I'm not an expert.

I don't have a computer, okay, but um, everyone I've talked to and there's a lot of people who say, Yeah, you know, they could take us away and enslave us. Well, let's say no to slavery. How is that? It's difficult, not for me, yes. I mean, and maybe a good use of nuclear weapons would be to attack data centers. No, I am Ser. Why is this crazy? It's not, it's not, if you think humans are the end of this evolutionary CH, well, what else? It's a supercomputer in a data center outside the Dallas airport. No, I mean, you know what I mean, I don't actually think that individuals.

I don't think it's that important. My life is that important. No. I will die. I know this and I try to keep it in mind every day, but you are important to everyone who cares about you, you are important to the people around you if we don't think if we don't believe that people are important, then what? Do we think it is important? I guess that's what I'm saying. It's not necessarily that we don't think people are important, but whether evolution is real and whether this constant exists, I don't know, but it's visible as you. can be measured in certain animals can be measured adaptation, yes, but there is no evidence that EV, in fact, I think we have given up on the idea that the theory of evolution is articulated by Darwin is not true in what and in that.

Get it right in the most basic sense of the idea that you know all life emerges from a single-celled organism and over time there will be a fossil record of that and there isn't and there isn't a fossil record of species in transition like species that are adapting. . to your recording environment and you see it in your own life. I mean, I have a lot of dogs. I see adaptation in dogs, you know, sure, from litter to litter, but no, there's no evidence of any, zero, you know. The people you know evolve seamlessly from a single-celled amoeba.

No, there isn't, there isn't, there's no chain in the fossil record of that and that's why you don't actually hear people you hear them make reference to evolution because the theory of adaptation is clearly obviously true, but Darwin's theory is totally false, that's why it's still a theory almost 200 years later, you know, um, no, we haven't found that at all and I can't even guess. I mean, I have my own theories about it, but they're not. Tested what your theories are. God created the people you know clearly and the animals. I mean, I think it's like what everyone on Earth thought until the mid-19th century, it was actually true, but it's not a new idea, they didn't have a computer.

I don't have a general understanding that we have today of the process. Do you think we understand more now? Yeah, you don't really think we understand more today, we understand so much less, we understand so little that we're actually sitting here allowing like a bunch. of greedy, stupid, childless software engineers in Northern California who like to flirt with the extinction of humanity, so no previous generation would be like not stopping and um, we're not doing that because, but we're not they would not have even done with nuclear energy. bomb, I mean, obviously the Manhattan Project was done in secret, but they wouldn't have stopped it because the imperative to get this weapon before Hitler got it was what Hitler had already done by then, um, the Russians had pretty much made it extinct any hope. that that would continue, but no, you know, we were in the middle of the logic of war, the beginning of the Manhattan Project for sure, but the logic was the same, you know, four years of winning, the other guy got it. and no, I don't want to seem too critical about the bomb.

I know why they built it well, but you wonder why no one in the middle of that thought is really this and some of them did think it. Surely they did, I mean Oppenheimer himself, of course, large organizations don't respond very well to the moral scruples of individuals, so that was whatever, it's well known what happened, but no, we should make a pause and ask if the machine we are building is worth having. and no one seems to do that and there are all kinds of economic forces that no one ever mentions that drive that negligence that stupidity like California, for example, um is completely the state that we've both lived in, it's like it's falling apart and they're betting everything on AI for the tax base will depend on this technology working and that is what they are betting on, of course, being AI.

Did you see the latest about how many billions of dollars they spent on the homeless problem? there are no traceable results, well they have had massive results, they have dramatically increased the homeless population, if you pay for something you get more and that would include fentanyl addicts. Oh, absolutely, it's been a huge success. I actually talked to Kevin Newsome the other day. Is it really yes and um how is that it smells like sulfur it was on the phone I was talking to him on the phone so weird um it smells like that it was too fast for me sulfur and hair grease yeah no but I was doing he was making fun of it I shouldn't even make fun of it because it's so tragic, but what happened to the state and the people living on the streets and what is your non-gas perspective?

He said: go back to Russia, you like Russia so much. I was like. You know, I'm actually originally from San Francisco, but I can't live there because he actually told you to go back to Russ, of course, I mean, he was laughing, whatever, he's a perfectly charming guy, they're all in person Of course, anyway. So far I'm in one camp, but what I want to say is that AI is being driven by the greed of politicians to some extent, and you will notice that AI, by the way, is a fact, those data centers that power our lives digital, which is not life.

Actually, it's mainly death, but I mean they are the biggest energy drain. I mean, how much electricity does AI require? More than countries. M. Our network cannotvery complicated. I think people do that with abortion, they sure do. that with abortion the woman has the right to choose reproductive freedom, they say all these things and then you say okay, what happens if the baby is close to being born? What if she is 6 months old? What if she is s months old and people don't want to have it? that conversation a woman has the right to choose you are a fascist stay out of women's bodies does a woman have the right to kill you if you bother her or make her uncomfortable?

Well, this is where it gets weird, like when it's a life, but it's one of those things that to me is a human problem, whereas humans have very confusing interactions with some things that don't align with their ideology and there's a ideology of worship of science, there is an ideology of authoritarian worship that the bodies of science have they grant you the truth if you ignore it you are a denier of science and you know that those are political terms or theological terms um they are not terms rooted in the science and look, we all constantly make compromises you know what's out there, you know it's all bad, it's a Sandwich versus croissant I'll take the croissant, it's smaller, you know, it's a daily

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for everyone, so I understand it and I don't believe that everything is an absolute morality.

Or you know, we don't even know, sometimes, if a decision will turn out good or bad, so it's very complicated. I totally agree with that, what I object to is the absence of reason, as if you have to believe because I think it's true. that if you are reasonable you can reach perhaps not the perfect decision but a better decision and if we do not believe that then we are in the land of witchcraft and let's admit it so the lack of reason is what drives us crazy Well, it is ideological capture, because There are certain things that if you are on the right side of these issues, on the right side, whatever your ideology, you cannot, you cannot differ from the doctrine, there is a very clear religion.

So it's yeah, it's religion, so I'm very pro-religion, but you can't have a religion that's too stupid and destructive, if your religion ends up hurting a lot of people, then I'm against your religion, that's right, yeah. I think, but even some really good religions have aspects that were arguably generally harmful to people who were absolutely certain that they could be said to have encountered them. I think that type of thinking, I think it's cult thinking, whether it's Scientology or whether it's Christianity or there's like a type of thinking or it's woke awakening it's clearly a cult it's a mental virus and I think what you call it is so trite to call it. which now is whatever this is this leftist ISM this type of Marxist ideology that is waving their flag and indoctrinating people in this country is very similar to all types of religions is very similar to the fundamentalist religions that have always existed in that everyone has to believe very specific things and you can't differ, you can't differ from the doctrine and So, here's another way to think about it.

I've been thinking I've been thinking a lot about this. Yes, religion, politics, they are all merging, it's hard to know where one ends and another begins, so maybe a simpler way. and a more useful way to think about it is truth or falsehood, lie or honesty, maybe just evaluate everything that way, someone is lying. I don't care what their justification is for lying about vaccines, they have lied a lot about vaccines and I think in most cases they have done so because they feel they are serving a greater good. Well, that's the narrative. We can't tell people that there are vaccine injuries because they won't get vaccines that are good for a large population.

I understand the thinking, but how about this? You can't engage in lying, you can't lie, you can't lie period, although you can't lie about anything, just don't lie about anything, try to tell the truth. the moment if you can't say something that's true just don't say it right you're not obligated to say everything you think obviously and you shouldn't say everything you think but you should never lie and if you stick with that like you'll quickly come back to reason and to the order, right?, yes, yes, no, you are making a lot of sense and I think this is the problem when people have information and power above other people.

Well, that's for sure, what's the problem. of governments, which is also the problem of cult leaders, yeah, you know, cult leaders are completely infatuated with this idea of ​​being omnipro and this power that has control over giant groups of people and you can dictate their behavior and you can tell them. what to think, that is very intoxicating and it is common, it is common because it has always existed throughout the history of humanity, it is something that people do when they get power, they abuse it and if they think you are too stupid to know it . truth and that they are better than you because they think they are better than you because they are running things it is a natural inclination it is a natural thought that people have if it is them if you are a group of The fools that they are simply listen to my orders and tell them I tell you how to live your life and what to do.

Naturally I'm going to think I'm better than you, well that's what I mean, people have lived under those systems since they existed. There have been systems, but what always makes it particularly old and difficult to live with is when you call that system a democracy, right, that's too dishonest for me. I would rather live in a monarchy where everyone thinks God has assigned the King to rule. we and their whims are law and you know it makes sense, I don't like it, but at least it has internal consistency right when they stand up and pass a $60 billion funding bill for Ukraine when 70% of the population doesn't he wants it. when they ignore the real problems of our country, like the economy and the border, and call Congress over the weekend to pass something that people don't want, while ignoring the things that people do want and if they do the same thing this guy of things over and over again for 50 years and they call it a democracy that will drive you crazy, yeah, because it's too dishonest, why not just say we don't give what you want?

We are getting some of this funding from Ukraine, whether it's like the thrill of being Masters of the Universe or whether it's money from defense contractors, whatever we get is more important to us than your opinion, this is not self-government, you You don't run this country, we are closed. Stand up and obey, if they would at least say that you'd be fine, I get it, those are the terms, but if I get another Joe Scarre sermon about defending democracy when this isn't a democracy, it's not even a close approximation of one democracy, then. I'm going to go crazy because I just can't stand the lies, yeah, does that make sense?

Makes sense. The interesting thing is that there are people saying that now and I think it's a relatively new thing in terms of the mainstream media. and I consider that what you do in be conventional media, conventional media were used. To be CNN is no longer a conventional media outlet, it is what in terms of volume consumed, more people consume things on Twitter on X than anything else, they consume information over the Internet through YouTube, for better or worse. evil. Whether it's right or wrong, they're now consuming information in different ways than ever before, so more people are saying what you say than ever before and when, when people lie and when people and Gaslight is more offensive. now than before.

There has been before because there's so much access to the truth that you could just see it now if you're paying attention, if you're not a boomer who just reads the paper, you pay attention and you see it, you're like, this is bullshit, but it's like, I guess that what bothers me is that the lies are not sophisticated, no, I mean, I look back on my now long life and I recognize all the times I was lied to, but you know I didn't know it. They were lying to me, they did it. There is something incredibly insulting and degrading about telling me a lie when I know it's a lie and you know that I know it's a lie.

We both know it's a lie, but you demand that I pretend. To believe it, what you're really saying is that I don't respect you, you're like my dog, right, you're a slave like me, that's where you participate in my lie, right, the lack of stealth, um, I really do that. I'm not explaining myself very well, but that really bothers me, well, there's no other way to lie to you. You like some of these lies like politicians, did you see that conversation AOC had with that man they brought in for the Biden case and they were talking about what crimes and she was interrogating this guy what crimes did Joe B see, did he steal anything, did he steal pan like he forgot what he said, but he was trying to explain what Rico's crimes were? and she was saying that Rico is not a crime, it is a category of crime, okay, okay, but tell that to the Jevy family, not only is it so dumb to say that publicly and say it with confidence and tell a person that that is the question.

The marriage of inadequacy and high self-esteem is really the marker of our time. It's like I have nothing against dumb people. My dogs are dumb and I love my dogs. No, I'm serious. I don't think God cares about you. Intelligence is correct, only people care, so it is not a moral category and stupidity is not one. I'm talking about someone with Down syndrome. I truly believe there are better people than me. You know you're more likely to go to heaven, so I won't attack her for being stupid. but the idea that a dumb person doesn't have the White House PR secretaries in the same category that he has no idea he's dumb and actually thinks he won the award like he's the most impressive like I'm the sentence from the White House because I'm America's Greatest Talker, so it's crazy, and yet the smartest people I know often say something like that.

Well, you know they have humility. Also she is following Kaylee Mcenany. That's how you say her name. I really do not know. who is she was the last president of the White House you don't know who I am she the goat in a way she is the goat best White House press secretary of all time she is the best I had stopped paying much attention that's why She had all the documents, she killed them when, every time they called her, every time there was a question, she said it's interesting and then she opened up about why you said this and your newspaper said that and CNN said this and and she criticized them about things. and she was really very well prepared, very articulate, she was wonderful to her, I mean, that's what she should be, but she was operating under President Trump, you know, obviously, she's demonized, it's just that I can.

I don't think you don't know who she is, no I don't know who she is, but it's funny, she's the goat, well I had stopped watching all the briefings by then. I used to go to the briefings as a kid I used to, I mean, I would literally go there, I would be in the briefing room, the old Kennedy pool and you and the first thing I didn't, I mean, I was never a White House reporter, But he was a reporter, so he went to them from time to time. and the first thing you notice is how impressed all the correspondents are to work there I work in the White House the job the White House got my heart pass and then the distance between that little credential that they were so proud of and reality their lives were like crazy like they were in this little room, the White House staff treats them with complete disdain and they think they're just animals, you know, it's like shutting up, they're eating out of vending machines and this was It's a different time, like when I worked as a journalist in Washington, we went out to lunch every day at a nice restaurant and we charged the company for it and, with their sources, we had lunch every day like civilized people.

Don't even think that that exists anymore in the world where you had time for lunch where you weren't so under the pressure of your corporate Masters that you had to want to go back to work, we had lunch and I remember thinking that these people don't They don't have lunch, they eat like a bar stale Mounds from a vending machine, like they bring quarters to work so they can eat. I remember thinking that your life is that you're not even human, you're like a little puppet. or something like that and you're so impressed and like all your neighbors know, you know he works at the White House, he's in the White House Press Corps and the job wasn't even really a job, you'd just like to sit there and ask . your question in your little assigned seat like you were in a high school gym was just horrible and had no respect for the people who made a living doing that.

Did you ever read it? Fear and loathing on the campaign trail, come on. yeah, yeah, it's surprising, it's surprising that that guy gave some kind of attitude. I think that probably the best window to an outsider in the political process, at least in terms of the electoral campaign, is the best window to thepress, the best window to the relationship. that they had with politicians at least in the 1970s. It's an incredible book. She was talking to a campaign reporter. I never do that anymore, but I was actually there this week and he told me it was totally different than when I did it. everyone was in a, I mean it was bad, it was actually because it just cultivated groupthink which was then exploited by the candidate for better coverage like it was all kind of OP actually, but at least it was fun like they were you. on a charter plane and like you were flying with everyone and you got to three or four cities a day and you liked their cocktails on the plane and you knew the naughty behavior and like you knew they fed you and they destroyed everything for you, it was It was fun, it was like a road trip, right, mhm, and now it's like Grim, everyone drives themselves and their little rental cars to some obscure town in Iowa to sit there without any access for the candidate to write his little. reports and then they go back to their hotel and they're like writing more for the website and like it's just such a bad job covering politics that only people who couldn't make it in any other business are doing it.

It's like a reverse meritocracy. They're just the most pathetic kind of power worshipers who would ever do a job like that and well, like critics, yeah, that's exactly right, most critics want to be writers and they're like the worst people, alright. Just like people like, well, you've actually been in show business, so you have better

experience

with them or you have a lot of experience with them, but I've met a lot of them who work for magazines or newspapers for the I work and they are the type of people who have a lot of cats and all the cats hate them.

You know what I mean, they're just like the shortest ones, they all have this kind of weird, wandering eye look, and they're fat and they're really into porn and they're totally isolated from everyone I worked for for a while. time. one of them for a time who was a critic for the New York Post, a guy named John P Hearts and he was one of the strangest, unhappiest people I've ever met in my life and he would come into my office from time to time and rub his back, He had a very hairy back and he rubbed it against the door frame, and he said something dark like that, it was stupid, but I didn't know it was, actually it was a little stupid, but I didn't know it. and he philosophized.

I was like 10 years younger and I was his captive so he just liked to lecture me while rubbing himself against the door frame and one time we went out to lunch and we all had a few drinks of course. it's like in the mid '90s, he didn't really drink, but he ordered this drink with an umbrella and he had a piece of watermelon on the rim of the glass and he took the watermelon and ate it and then ate the rind. Never forget that watching him eat the peel and thinking of course this guy is a critic was his true love, he was editing this magazine, but like him, his real interest was writing about movies and he was and they are sad people who they ever did.

I read, you know, CIS and Ebert, did you ever read when uh CIS Roger eert rather wrote wrote a script no, it's very strange, it's really sexual, very strange, it's supposed to be terrible, of course, I've read passages in He, is he terrible? but I remember saying, oh, okay, yeah, they're not, they're not creative, they're creative adjacent, well, they have nothing to contribute, that's what I'm saying, they have no creative power, so they are. I could probably figure it out if they had a different mindset. I think creativity belongs to everyone, it's just a matter of how 100% it is in everyone, it just requires honesty, yes the impediment to creativity is being safe and yes, I used to say that about joke thieves.

One of the real problems with joke thieves is when they get caught and then they have to write their own material and the problem is that they don't understand the language, they only know how to say the sounds, like you tell me what to say in French I can't speak French, but if you told me what to say and I practiced it and said it well, you would think wow, that guy speaks French, yeah, that's comedy, so if you have a guy who knows how to repeat other people's jokes, but he doesn't he knows how to create them, he sees that comedy is one of the rare things where someone, when he likes it, gets a guy like Shane Gillis, that guy writes his own stuff, edits it and thinks about it in his head, performs it, produces it, changes the order of things.

I love him, he is complete. They all do it more or less the same way. There are some guys who hire writers and that's honorable. There is nothing wrong with hiring a writer. And he also gives. jobs for other comics because some comics are really good writers and they're not that good at acting, so people will work on things that they collaborate on, like Chris Rock would do this thing where he would hire comics and they wouldn't. I didn't write jokes for him, but they were guys who would bounce things around so he would get his ideas, he would go up on stage and then after his set they would all get together and talk about the set and you know, the guys would have Taglines like could you say this , oh great, and they write it and they're adding it, so it's a collaboration, so you have the master, you have Chris Rock, who is so open-minded and intelligent and humble that he brings in other Masters and says. tell me what I'm doing wrong tell me what I could change tell me what I can improve and they work together and then there are people who have people who are essentially ghost writers hire comics to write jokes for them they pretend they are theirs and don't really write them at all, so that's another level, which is also for anyone who makes it successful.

I do not know i do not know. Don't know. people who have people who are right for them and are doing well, but they are not the type that everyone goes to, they are not David, they say, they are not the type that everyone goes to see, they are not like David, they say, it is the type that comics go see when he's in town yeah, like he's a teacher, you look at him, it's Yoda, you're like Jesus Christ, how is he so good? Well, he's so good because he writes every day because he's sitting with a pack of cigarettes and a cup of coffee every morning, he writes things in a notebook and he practices every day, he goes on stage constantly and it's that Japanese term Kaizen in the that you take this and refine it to its ultimate mastery, that's what it's doing. these guys who pretend to be that and steal jokes and then they get caught and then their material falls off a cliff, it's so obvious because they're frauds, yeah, also because what allows you to steal someone's jokes is an ego thing, it's like I want the laughs I want to be the man or the woman I want to be the one up there showing everyone ah look how amazing this person is, look how amazing that's the opposite mentality that is required for creativity, so creativity is not about From you, creativity is about ideas. creativity is about things creativity is about how this concept works with these other concepts how can I get it in the most digestible form if I were an audience member what would it be like to feel this what's the best way to present it?

What's a way to do it so people don't think I'm being mean, or right, or that I've thought this through? This is not just a frivolous thing like allowing someone when someone is in stage you're allowing that person to almost think for you like you're like take me for a ride like me I'll give you my mind I'm not going to do it I'm not going to be thinking that I wouldn't I'm not going to do it, I'm just going to let you think for me if that person isn't doing a good job if they're clumsy if they're shit if the transitions suck if the form then just stop this hypnotism hypnotism you're on They put this on me Hypnosis, it's a now, I'm not allowed to be inherently fraudulent, yeah right, I mean, I'm giving control of my mind to someone who is under the control of someone else, you know what I mean?

I'm stealing, not if I'm in the audience, right? And I would say this also applies to comment ideas, you know, that's not funny, but it's very true, and you see it a lot. I've seen it a lot, yes, you see a Okay, the number of people who are not totally controlled and who actually say what they really believe without any strange agenda that they're not telling you about is quite small, yes, and I've noticed realized that recently, particularly on the question of awakening. and free speech, there are a lot of people who are on your side because they are for free speech, who are actually not for free speech at all and who are pushing, you know, a policy agenda very specific exterior, for example, and using another theme to lower your defenses and get into your brain um and I think that's really sinister, really, very, very sinister and it's becoming more obvious now, like you're in favor of freedom of speech, then you would only be in favor of freedom of speech because you support the principle.

Isn't the content of the speech interesting to you the fact that a sovereign human being has the right to express himself because he is not a slave, he is a citizen and a human being so that is what matters, yes, and if of all modes? You suddenly like to become famous like I'm for free speech and then you support the silencing of people who articulate opinions you don't agree with like you're a fraud, you're some kind of sinister fraud, yeah, Yes, and that's because that's the business I do. On I boy, I've really noticed that you've noticed this, yeah, and that's also the same kind of thing when you hear them talk, if you hear someone talk, they're saying something that's kind of shit, it resonates with you. , that's what you've done.

You've seen that you had a moment with Barry Weiss on your show that went everywhere. I saw a clip. I never watched the show itself, but she kept saying she was pretending to be one thing and then you pushed her like, well, wait. wait a second, what do you mean you just attack someone and she had no idea what she was talking about and it was very clear to me to see that it completely changed my view of Barry Weiss forever? I thought, oh, she's a fraud, she's actually this person. It's not honest at all, like she has a very specific agenda, that's all she cares about.

The rest of the stuff is just kind of a slight manual maneuver. You're talking about the thing with Tulsy Gabber. That's right. Yes, she called her. and she didn't quite know what that meant, but she had no idea that Telsey Gabard had gone outside the lines in something like Syria or something, uhuh um, and Barry Weiss was, you know, going through the files in his head, like what it has to do. believes and she was aware that you know that Tulsa Gabbert has somehow violated that in a way that no one is willing to say in detail to fully articulate what Tulsa Gabbert did wrong, no one is going to tell you that she's just bad, yeah, and then what that revealed.

Barry Weiss is completely dishonest like she's a liar, you can't really if, by the way, if you attack someone in a particularly personal way and you can't explain why you're attacking the person that way, it's not acceptable, you're a person Dishonest if you can. I don't explain why I think it's a common thing that people do in private and they get used to talking like we're talking in private, we're just two people talking well, so people get used to saying things without being able to back them up, you know, oh, he's a vaccine denier. I've done a lot of that in my life.

Me too, because I'm like that, it's like I just don't like that person, okay, I'm like, well, but what I'm saying is I don't know how much time Barry Weiss had spent doing podcasts before that, well, she took a look. glance. Just saying, but I think it's important to be honest about what your agenda is. I think she's honest I think she's honest and I really like her, I like talking to her, she's very smart against her personally, I just think it was a mistake and I think you can do that and hopefully learn from it and not anymore.

Don't do that, don't say anything that you and I have done, which I've definitely done, I've said something and I wasn't exactly sure what I was talking about, oh my God. I do it every day and I may have done it with Barry Weiss, so let me be much more specific about what I mean if your agenda is neoconservative politics, what your agenda is, just say it, don't pretend to be a defender of the freedom of expression. as a principle, what she does, how she is an advocate of neoconservative politics, very wise, yes, what specifically, well, anyone, including me and Tulsy Gabard, who thinks that the United States should not finance wars that do not help to the United States, she will attack. like Bring to America or whatever it takes, so no, no, that's her, that's her main interest, which is fine and, by the way, I have friends who I don't really agree with on this issue and who They believe in neoconservative politics.

I mean they are terrible people or I hate them or I'm not friends. I'm still friends with them but they are very direct about it. This is what matters to me. Alright. You know, I really care about bird hunting and fly fishing. and or anything I can and you can't, that's totally cool, but be honest whenrespect, so if your job is to defend the right of free people to say what they really believe, then go ahead and defend it, and if someone is not allowed to speak or fired from their job for having an opinion they don't agree with you agree, defend it anyway.

I just interviewed a guy who is a black nationalist socialist, okay, so I'm obviously not a big black nationalist. I don't know if you are aware of this. that, but I'm not and I'm not a socialist either, but this guy is facing prison time under the Biden Justice Department because he said things you don't like about foreign policy and I interviewed him for an hour and it was like It's because, in principle, you should be able to say what you think, period, what is this gentleman's name? Actually, he was a, I happen to like him, um, oh, and I'm embarrassed, I can't, he's a member of a pretty small black nationalist socialist group, it's like the revolutionary black nationalists or something, they're out of the southwest of Flor Florida and literally faces prison for repeating Russian disinformation.

He's not even accused of doing anything. He is accused of saying things that Biden Doj doesn't really like the things he said repeating Russian propaganda about the invasion of Ukraine and his point was that there is a backstory here, which is that NATO has been moving towards the This since 1991 and that is a massive threat to Russia. Missiles on their border from a hostile power are a threat and the Bid Administration accelerated that and in response Putin invaded eastern Ukraine. Now you can disagree with that, but that's not a far-fetched view on the part of I think it's actually true, but even if you don't agree that it's true, it's not, you don't need to be a paid propagandist for the Kremlin to say that, right?

I've said it, I'm not a paid propagandist. is this a gentleman that is himself four Americans from a black power organization working with Russian intelligence to spread propaganda fueled to spread propaganda now propaganda first of all you know there's a lot of propaganda move over a little bit to that Jamie so he can read what this is saying it's covered up oh okay right the guy is that guy over there okay subscribe real quick yeah the popular democratic movement uru in St. Petersburg so he got in touch he talked with someone in Russia, they talked to people in Russia and then he no, no, they are accusing him of serious crimes the FBI raided his house the first thing they did was cover the security cameras and they went in there and arrested them the FBI raided well, the Russia's foreign intelligence service allegedly weaponized our First Amendment rights and Russian freedoms to divide Americans and interfere in U.S. elections, says Deputy Attorney General Matthew Olsen has now, first and foremost, become a weapon our first amendment rights no, your first amendment rights are never a crime, right, they are given by God, the government did not give them, you were born with them as a free person, period and the First Amendment simply says no it can interfere with your exercise, that's all and this is what they're at and I looked and I read this and I thought and I approached this guy by the way, Matthew.

Not Olsen, I wish Matthew Olon never appeared on my show, I mean the guy whose salary I pay as a US citizen. No, he would never talk to me. Listen, look at that quote. Russia Alle foreign intelligence services allegedly weaponized our first amendment, rights, freedoms, Russia Den. their own citizens to divide Americans and interfere in elections in the United States that you must like why do you say that? Say what happened well, but nothing but nothing happened, so that's the issue, so I'm reading this. Someone sent it to me and I'm fine clearly there is a crime here like they were found with I don't know mortar shells or were they I mean usually the government makes up that they put Kitty Kitty porn on your computer at least to discredit you there is no no underlying crime other than They said something that US foreign policy doesn't agree with, okay that's not a crime by definition and this guy is facing life in prison and I don't think anyone because Barry Weiss didn't has defended I think this guy.

He's probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison and I think this is crazy, the rest of his life in prison yeah, okay, wait, this is what it is. I think he is 83 years old. Yes, how do you say his name? Yella and three other Americans. citizens Penny Joanne hes Jesse Nel and August C Roma Jr are charged with conspiracy to defraud us hess uh oh okay you defraud the United States uh hes yella and Nel are also charged with impersonating agents of a foreign government okay, they say defraud the United States so defraud suggests the theft of something of value, right, if I defraud you, I steal your money, there is no accusation of that at all and, in fact, I read the charges, there is no no accusation, the only accusation is that they said things that the US government doesn't like the Bid Administration. that's it and because they're unpopular and have views that are considered "fringe dating", you know, like crazy black nationalists, no one wants to defend them and my only point is not that I'm such a principled person, this Al, This seems very obvious.

To me, you can't allow that, you can't allow that at all, if you believe in the first amendment in the freedom of free people to say what they think, then what is this implication, they are saying that they were recruited by the FSB then says, the prosecutor said that Ianov operated an entity called Russia's anti-globalization movement that was used to carry out its influence efforts in the United States overseen by the Russian intelligence service known as FSB, they recruited organizations based in United States to help influence the elections. There appears to have been strong support in the U.S. for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, backing efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to denounce the genocide of Africans in the U.S., according to the indictment, backing the efforts, what does that mean?

Look at it as a negative to support efforts like the 2015 United Nations petition to denounce the genocide of the African people, but just look at that statement that supported efforts like something to denounce genocide, the 2015 United Nations Petition to denouncing the genocide of the African people in the U.S. According to the indictment, okay, so the real misinformation and propaganda is in the indictment documents. Actually, the real liars here are the Biden Justice Department officials who did this and they are dangerous, in my opinion they are criminals, but if you read it carefully you will see. that the only crime is having opinions that the people in charge didn't like and if they were in contact with people from Russia, yes I think they went to Russia for a conference so they left but the way this usually works is that let's say, well, you went to a country that we have correctly imposed sanctions against and you violated the sanctions regime in some way, that's how they catch you, they're not even alleging that they're not even alleging that they're just telling you We said things that We don't like them, by the way, a foreign government that we don't like agrees with them, they learned them when they went to Russia, they learned that everything is on the Internet, they learned them, I mean, I guess not.

It doesn't matter where they learned them, I would do it because I talked to the guy and saw what they wrote, the opinions they expressed. I don't know, do you know about the genocide of African people in the United States? I don't even know what that is. means, um, I guess I don't agree with that, but I generally agree with his views on Russia because I think they're true, just like Jeff Sachs and many non-black, non-RA nationalists would probably agree. according to the basic framework. of their position, but whether we agree or not is not relevant, all that matters is in a free country, which was when I grew up, you have the right to any opinion you want, you don't have the right to hurt people you don't want .

You have the right to steal from them, you don't have the right to defraud people, but you certainly have the right to any opinion you want, no matter what the people in charge think, in fact, you have that right as a bull against the tyranny of the people to position is the only thing that keeps this country free, it's my right to have whatever opinion I want and this guy is going to jail for his opinions and you know, it's so crazy that I kept thinking: is there something? which I'm missing like it seems a little fringe this group I've never heard of them I'm not going to send them money okay um they must have done something no nothing and you should watch the FBI video right it's amazing that they sent they sent as if It was on the Internet, it's on 83 year old army veteran, it's outrageous and I really find it baffling that anyone who is against woke culture or whatever would touch her and the reason they won't touch her is because her views on foreign policy in general. are more important to them than their views on speech in the First Amendment there are no views on America, well if you step out of line then the ideology is that we should support Ukraine so Russia is right , this is what they are doing.

In saying that, Russia was very upset about the movement of weapons closer to its borders, about joining NATO, all of that, the hard red lines that Putin had already established, as if Russia, Russia would definitely do something if Ukraine left. unite NATO, everyone I knew that, so if you deviate from that you're going to have problems, so you better ignore it because you can't, clearly if you look at who these people are, I mean, these are people who would be supported by the left. wholeheartedly, well, they are, I mean, it's like the revolutionary socialist, yeah, yeah, they're not, they're not at CPAC this year, but the left has to ignore it because then 100% comes into conflict with this left.

C is like now. in reality ridiculous they mean nothing in fact we have passed the point where they mean nothing they do mean something they are propaganda instruments designed to hide the truth from the rest of us that in fact there is agreement, not disagreement at the center of power everyone is agree on the things that matter and those are the economy and foreign policy because that's where the money is, there is no effort to say it in the credit card companies, which if you really care about the country they say, but the people really suffer.

It's okay, they don't have enough money to live. Children not only can't buy houses, they can't pay rent and why? And one of the main reasons is because they are paying close to 20% interest on their credit. cards and that's fine we just imagine that in a free market that's a good thing tell me why it's a good thing who benefits from it why are we in favor of that again I'm not in favor of that I think the credit card companies They are villains and send credit cards to kids at school and get them hooked on this.

I think it's totally wrong and if you said that in the US Congress people would look at you like you had three heads, they just don't care because they're all in agreement there. that our current economic system and our current foreign policy assumptions are good, then that is not a two-party system, it is a one-party system and it does not serve the interest of the country and my position is super simple, the only country I have an emotional attachment to America, that's all. I like many countries. I like almost all countries. In fact, I've been to many of them.

I like them all, but the only one that excites me is the United States because I live here. I was born here, my kids are here, it's my country and most of the people in our foreign policy conversation don't feel that way, so that distorts it really dramatically and there are also a lot of them who are worshipers of violence , as if they were amused by war. in hurting people and the power that gives them and I think you know the Liz Cheney model, you know what I mean, someone like Liz Cheney who has a really sad and barren personal life, a lot of them are like that. strange personal life failed personal life like they don't have people who love them, they don't have children who respect them, that's why Adam Kinzinger, whatever it is, everyone is the same the more broken they are inside, the more focused they are on I like war and foreign policy because it gives them a sense of power, strength and success.

I can't get my wife to respect me. I can't get my kids to listen to me. I can't endorse any meaningful domestic agenda, but what I can do is bombard life in a foreign country and, um, so there's this thing that's not true for all of them, but for a lot of them there's this syndrome that drives their behavior, but Whatever the reason, it is totally disconnected from what is good for the country and if you run America you have a job,a job and that is to improve America and that's it, they don't see it that way and I don't think the system can continue because it is too distorted, it is not serving its original purpose so what did these guys say that made this raid possible?

They said Russia and I don't want to speak for them like I interview anyone who wants to see it can interview and I just want to say again as such. Of the interesting things about this moment that I didn't anticipate, there are all these sad things happening. I know you probably experience this all the time, it's like finding not only common ground with people you thought you had nothing in common with, but also similar things. I like them, you know, I really liked the guy. I'm sure we don't agree on a million things, I'm probably mad at white people.

I'm a white person anyway, but in my conversation I thought I like this guy. You know he is honest and sincere. On principle, he was a veteran, you know, but whatever, no, I really think what they said was what I said and a lot of people have said, um, what's the reason for this invasion. Personally, I think the invasion was a bad idea, right? help anyone. I am against war. It saddens me that the war continues, but they were pushed into this by a more powerful country, which would be the United States of America, with the threat of including Ukraine in NATO.

It's really simple and just before the invasion days. Before the invasion they send poor Comm Harris, who has no idea what day it is, to the Munich security conference, an area she knows nothing about, has no experience in, and they send her there for a purpose that is to announce at a press conference with All the cameras are recording Zinsky right there, she says: we want you to join NATO, which you don't, no other NATO member was clamoring for Ukraine, it didn't even qualify for membership of NATO, why would you say that when Clinton, when Putin had masked troops on the Ukrainian border you send your vice president to the Munich security conference with the world watching and you say this thing that no one really wants, why would you do that ?to Prov War obviously what's the other reason and it was written as if KLA Harris wasn't throwing things out like he was saying what they told him to say obviously it's not his area he doesn't know anything about this stuff they told him to say that, but why? cause a war, obviously, so that was my reading.

I said that a lot of people didn't like him on Fox News, but it seemed obvious to me. I'm not making excuses for Putin please, I want to protect the United States and I think this war really hurts the United States as if my motives were always out there anyway. I think they kind of said something like that and the last thing I'll say is why the reaction was so strong, because it was true that it wasn't. I don't care if you lie. No one in power cares if you lie, but many people say they care when you tell the truth.

Many people say those things and don't understand them. He's like a black nationalist from St. Petersburg. Who cares? We can do it. Who is going to defend him? Nobody. He is a crazy man. He's an 80-year-old guy who's been in the fringe left movement for the last 50 years. You know, like the new Huey Newton and Stokeley Carmichael. He is like a relic of. the past and like he doesn't have an electorate, he doesn't care, the modern Democratic party hates him, hates them and the Republican Party is like black nationalism, no thanks, so he doesn't have an electorate, they're never going to like him, they one could say. that and what they're going to do to you you don't know anything because they can't but this guy will crush him kill him and that's exactly what they're doing and I really think I shouldn't be like a 70's liberal about If you let the weak be crushed, it's bad, it's super bad, you need to protect the weak and this guy is weak, so you think they are making an example of him with this and they can have all this power.

I don't understand why they would transfer so many people, why they would hire so many agents, why they would do this so publicly because of the opinion of one guy or a group of people, well, I don't know, I mean, why would medieval kings they hung up the heads of people they executed from the doors, but it seems like there should be more, like what did they say, so the problem is you're telling me I know the problem is I mean, I'm just straw. m steel Manning this rather the problem is that they went to Russia and talked to people in Russia and then they say these things is that the problem they are not accused of going to Russia but you think that is the motivation behind this because they went there, there is a different article, it has a quote from him, okay, yes, they are not C, at least when I interviewed him they had not been accused of receiving money from Russia, so he says that They have accused us, they have accused us of receiving money from Russia.

Yesel said yesterday at a press conference on July 29 that we have never received money from the Russian government, but I am not saying that because I am morally opposed to that. take money from the Russians or anyone else who wants to support black struggles don't tell us we can't don't tell us we can't have friends you don't like accused the UF government US government of trying to use the APSP as a pawn in its proxy war with Russia the baseless accusation that the war's opponents are co-conspirators with a foreign power are intended to reinforce The ghost of a Russian boogeyman in the public consciousness the escalation of aggression military action by the United States against Russia and China is already accompanied by increasing oppression and an attempt to criminalize left-wing opposition to the unpopular war, which is exactly why they accuse him of receiving money from Russia, no, they are not accusing him .

So here's the distinction that's really very important, there are two levels that the Department of Justice acts at in all administrations: there's the propaganda level, like what do we want people to think, and there's the law level, What are we accusing someone of? and you have to ignore the first and pay close attention to the second, so we have a legal system, we have laws and you can't actually go to jail unless you violate one under the terms of our system and therefore you ignore which are. say about you, Joe Rogan sucks, he's a bad man, but in the end I'll arrest you for double parking, so you're not really a bad man, you're a double Parker by the law, so if you look at the charges against these guys , they are not accused of violating sanctions regulations, they are accused of crimes fully cited by Amorphis, such as defrauding the US government, not for money, but for defrauding it, I suppose, contraindicating it and sending a message public that they don't.

I mean, there's no crime, look it up except for talking and I think that's a precedent we don't want to live with, for sure, okay, I'm G, piss, yeah, let's go pee, we'll be right back. You're going to pee Tucker and I are going to pee together, yeah well that's the reality check, you're forced to examine your beliefs and why you came to those beliefs in the first place, no that's the beauty of this moment , although they are people. they're living uh intentionally a lot more and it's also a lot more interesting, it's not just that you know it's less superficial than it was, I think so, I think it's more nuanced, people have more Nu, at least the people who are lending attention have more nuances. perspective, but then you have the people who are in the echo chambers who are just trying even harder and you could easily spot them because they're missing out because there's nothing more liberating than admitting you were wrong.

MH, I mean that. It's like the moment of Liberation, right, and that's the basis of religion, it's the basis of AA, it's the basis of anything that improves you as a person, it's honestly admitting admitting to other people, not just to yourself. Wow, I was wrong. Yes, and then you are free because then you don't have to hide it anymore, very important and it's a beautiful thing and that's like changing your mind. I always notice that he covers politics and you know a candidate would be like me. I recorded him saying something different 10 years ago and no one asked me my opinion, but I always wanted to say: why don't you say that you are absolutely right and that the country is very different from what it was? 10 years ago my opinions changed too, like why wouldn't they because I'm not a fucking robot or a liar.

I also used to think this because of that and now I realized that I was wrong exactly, yes, how good is it that I? I mean it's part of being human, it's not being a flip-flop, it's the best part of being human, well this is an interesting time for that because you see people who wouldn't do that and you could easily recognize them because they are the first people in throwing insults the first thing they do when they describe you they will describe you in an insulting way and then they will say what they disagree with you about they will say something harsh they will try to define you they you You are a far-right white supremacist racist, yes, they throw everything at you and then They say what you said, it's very funny.

I was called a racist and a white supremacist so many times, but when I was called that for the first time, I mean, it really hurt me, you know a lot? because just because of where I grew up and how I grew up and those are the worst things you could call someone and um, so I actually stopped for a moment and thought, Am I like me? I think it's fair to ask you what I am like. Am I a wh, whatever? I've never figured out what that was. I'm a racist, not really, and I thought really the people I dislike the most are almost all white liberals, actually, so you're racist against white people, no, but no, I, I'm. white my children are white I'm not against white people I like white people but um no it's not that so once a journalist called me about this they have called you a racist like no actually the same as you if I were something so reducing my intolerances is like people like you I just think you're disgusting I'm serious too RAC racist okay, well, it's one thing you know, I don't think it works as much anymore, it doesn't work, no Well, I think many of the things you overuse eventually people realize, oh, you're, you're crying wolf again, yeah right, and when people get hit and it doesn't go away, it becomes obvious that it's missing. power, well, you're also trying to please use these words Define someone, especially someone like you who has so many hours and hours talking about things like trying this reductionist perspective of someone to reduce them to something ultimately very negative and they don't say that They are human beings and also the fact that it is done by people who want to consider themselves compassionate and kind, which is the strangest thing, the left is so aggressively uncompassionate like them, they are so aggressively cruel in letting people die from drugs.

Odes on the sidewalk that's compassion no, it's not that all this is crazy well, it's cruelty actually it is and it's also when you discover do you know Noz, yes, a great guy, he opened my eyes about people homeless that we had? on the podcast and he was explaining how he was in San Francisco and he said, What is this? It's like they don't have money for this. What it's like is that no, there is a whole business behind this, of course, and these people who are there. By running this homeless initiative or whatever they call it, they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, some of them a quarter of a million dollars a year.

Imagine making money off of homeless people and not doing a damn thing, but what's so funny is I think. the root of their power and the only thing they're good at is just charging up the moral high ground and taking it in the early moments of the battle, yeah they just run up to the moral high ground and like we have this, this is ours and They will protect it at all costs and it's like all they have is this moral superiority and if you can pierce that it's like you're getting rich off of the homeless actually yeah and is there anything more disgusting than that? is a drug addict who's dying in misery outside the convention center in San Francisco and you're making money off of it, they're essentially using those people as a battery to expand the power of the government, yeah, their own personal advantage, yeah, they're, are. expanding the government they are hiring more government employees now there are tons of people who are working on the homeless problem air quotes and uh you know they probably all have blue hair and talk nonsense and nothing is done and no one is being punished for it, but when They when they did that study where they said they didn't have data like how are you?

You can't tell if they're doing anything or not, yeah well how did you spend $24 billion, but why aren't they treated like they are? the most reprehensible people in our society I think there are too many things to think about I think most people, unlike you and me, are not even paying attention, they are paying attention to the fact that the tents are there , they are paying attention if you go to Los Angeles it is a zombie apocalypse but what they are not paying attention to is what is happening how many people are making money I didn't even know until colon explained it to us I had no idea I thought it was just that they don't have money, they don't put money into it and they let these people sleep there oh no, there are real M's all these parasites, yeah,parasites, government parasites, those are real, of course, and you know this whole idea.

I've created so many jobs, like what jobs are they, government jobs, because there are a lot of them. What's crazy to me, just having spent most of my life in Washington, is how physically close it is to lawmakers, making it the capital of the United States. It's across from something called Union Station, which is a really beautiful train station, right on Capital Hill, and to get to the capital, when there's a huge homeless city, there's people dying from drugs, Odes right there, to go to work every day, legislators. They must like stepping over the bodies of their fellow Americans dying like moribunds living outdoors in the bushes addicted to drugs, which is all very well and they have to ignore it on their way to creating a utopia in some country foreigner and one wonders: does it ever happen?

For you that is disgusting that your main duty is to the drug addict your fellow American you are doing nothing and you are telling me how we are going to turn Eastern Europe into a happy world, I don't know. I just can't get over that. I guess I'm not super sensitive or conscious or anything. I'm not super anything. I'm actually pretty normal, but I think I'd notice. If I did, it would be like going into VOD in Ukraine. Aid. It would be like if there were five addicts on the street like maybe we should do something for them no, yeah, yeah, it's very strange, it's strange that they can rationalize it or at least not get called out by all their people and this idea. that it's compassionate that you have compassion to leave these people and give them help and help them and give them clean needles, but then you have to think that maybe there's something bigger going on actually because there's no yeah, there's a whole sector of the economy now that feeds on human misery drug treatment centers that don't work homeless advocates that create more homeless, you know, migrant workers, you know, American Born Aid agency workers that you know increase illegal immigration and gang activity and all this, you know, people are making money off of this, gun manufacturers helping to kill people in foreign countries, etc., there is a viig. and all of that is a scam, it's a scam, etc., etc., but there is something else like there are many people who seem to be just for evil for its own sake and you say that maybe they all talk like crazy about something spiritual. war between good and evil maybe there is something in that maybe that is not an illusion maybe it is as if everyone else has always thought that there are certainly forces that have evil consequences that exist but act on people from the outside and you also feel on the outside.

On the other hand, I mean people are better than they naturally are, sometimes you feel compassion for people or true empathy for someone or you really want to help someone, there is no advantage for you at all, for example, what? because you do that? It's almost like you're being acted out for good and we've all known those moments where we're just cruel for the sake of hurting someone for the sake of it. What's that? There is no advantage for us. That is evil acting on us and I believe we are seeing it. to scale and like I grew up in the most secular world you could ever grow up in in Southern California in the '70s and '80s and in a very secular family and I never paid much attention to that and all of a sudden, not everyone.

Many People I know who had a similar childhood to mine, similar life experiences, think that maybe there is a supernatural realm, maybe there is something more than what we can see and feel, maybe there is more to life than just placing orders on Amazon, maybe there is a purpose. maybe there's this battle between good and evil all around us that we can't see but that we experience a lot it seems like it's always been a narrative throughout human history it's always been this recognition Carls there snoring I don't have my headphones on to being able to hear them are you snorting or snoring snoring Carl snoring Carl the dog you oh Carl the dog Carl the dog SN oh he's the best but he snores when he sleeps because he's a little French Bulldog he's a little sporty Bulldog he's amazing yeah he's the best .

Dogs can't be cuter, they can be so cute, but there is nothing cuter than Carl. I think it's true, yes, I have some very handsome dogs. I will say yes, I have a beautiful dog. dog I have a golden retriever but he's not as cute as Carl Carl is a different thing don't tell him he knows he doesn't like Carl well he doesn't hate Carl but he likes him he ignores him he thinks of Carl as a lonely attention thief he which is yes, yes, fair, so human beings at least have always believed that there are forces of Good and Evil and that is what exorcisms are about, the idea that you are possessed.

When you are possessed by evil, there has always been the thought that there is good and evil, but when did you start? When did you start to consider that and think that it's because you weren't you at one point? Weren't you a Grateful Dead boss? Oh yeah. I heard it this morning, yes, I used to travel with them, yes, how old were you when that happened? I went to my first dead show in December of 1984, so I was 15 when I talked about the San Francisco Civic Center, yeah, New Year's shows always played in Oakland, but one year they played at the um in San Francisco, like that that we were in Tahoe for Christmas and for some reason my dad was gone.

I don't really know where, so my brother and I drove. illegally from Tahoe in the family vehicle to downtown San Francisco How old was your brother? 13 so you were driving or he was driving I drove I drove 15 you drove yeah wow Tahoe so it was a couple of hours and uh I remember being on the freeway around 15 well We had a pretty different childhood, um, but anyway, anyway, what we did is you, yeah, it's me on the left, get out of here, yeah, I don't know, you know, I don't know how that picture is hanging in my barn. and I never, you know, I don't post any pictures of myself or my family or anything like that and someone came to my barn and took a picture of what's hanging next to my sink and I put it on the Internet, wow, so that's my brother Buckley on the right um that photo was taken so my dad was a reporter in San Francisco in the '60s and um a pretty well-known reporter and that was in the '80s when I was in school and we were home for Christmas break. and he had covered the Grateful Dead, he knew the Grateful Dead, my dad did, so they were in his office, they came through DC and they called him and they came to his office.

Jerry went to his office and my dad said, "I've got Jerry." Garc here you guys should come so my brother and I lived in Georgetown and we had a vesa remember those yeah and we drove our vesa it was so cold. I'll never forget that we drove our vesa to sixth and e or whatever. where my father's office was and there was Jerry. I had never met him before. He was missing the middle finger on his right hand. You know his famous handprint. I appreciate that footprint, but when you shook his hand you could feel him collapse. because I didn't have that middle finger, but anyway, my brother and I drove up here for the New Year's show which was actually a couple nights before New Year's and we didn't have tickets of course and we were in the park. front there and we were, you know, doing whatever people do at Dead shows and we were pretty scared and this guy shows up out of nowhere and shoves a ticket in his face and goes over here and shakes his hand.

He gave me a ticket, so my brother, um, was extremely out of it. I mean, he was. You know, I should have never done this, but I thought, "he's okay, man, I'm going in." I left my little brother at the park during the show. like very, very disabled, like super super disabled. It was completely wrong to do something like that, but I did it and then I went in and watched the show kind of scared in the middle, hiding in the men's bathroom for a while. Never forget standing in the stall smoking cigarettes it's acidic to try it no it was psilocybin mushrooms which by the way I have to say I was sober 22 years ago.

I am completely opposed to anything I don't take. Adil says I'm totally opposed to anything other than nicotine and coffee but yeah it was mushrooms so we ate too many and started to melt a little but anyway the point is I get out of the program this is pre-selfa this is 1984 and I come off the show and they actually played a lot of tunes that they didn't play, they played Spoonful like they didn't play Spoonful much, it was like a pretty dark tune. I've never actually heard it before and I couldn't find my brother, my little brother and I are in charge and you know, my closest friend and my lifelong friends talked to him this morning and I couldn't find him and I was Like, oh man, my brother left, but there he was, he showed up like an hour later, he had spent the whole show in someone's truck there, but he seemed intact and uh, it was great, I mean, not everything is great, I want say, I think.

The drug thing let you know it definitely hurt people, but from my perspective I went to a group of probably 50 or so shows and I really enjoyed it and I love the fact that they had two drummers, that was a big thing for me. . I love the rhythm. I think it's the basis of music, obviously it's the basis of music. I mean, instruments are great, but they are something like interior design and architecture is rhythm and it is the universal sound that every culture appreciates because it reflects something pre-existing that is in you, everyone relates to rhythm and to me AB I loved drums and I love that they always played like it was actually called drums, but they played a section of every show that was just drums, um, Bill. kin and Mickey Hart went crazy on drums and had drum circles and I like drums to this day.

I listen to drums just percussion King Sunny on the day of the announcement, um, the great West African drummer and anyway, whatever, so yeah, I like Greatful Dead a lot and I still do and I like that kind of music, improvised music, I like J music, I like acoustic music, I love blueg Grass, blueg Grass and Americana, and watching that grow, watching Billy Strings become a place, Packer, you know. Billy Strings is like a big act right now. I feel like creative art has been completely destroyed and eliminated in the United States. There's like you, like we said before, you can't be creative if you're not honest, it's that simple and we.

I can't be honest, so there is no creativity and in the visual arts, literature and architecture it is Di, but comedy is still alive, thank heavens, and music, for some reason, has escaped from that and is still alive , yeah, and the growth, the explosion of acoustic Bluegrass, you know. The banjo, as one of the great instruments of all time, is just exciting and like a sign of life, you know, at this late stage, well, I think when there are social pressures and when society is in chaos, the art some kind of art tends to thrive. art, that's right, comedy certainly now it's like comedy has never been better.

An incredible close call moment, oh yes, yes, the walls broke. whoa no, but a few years, I don't know when it was, but you know, eight years ago or something like that. Like oh wow, you know people can't tell jokes anymore, we still do it, I realized and yeah, we still do it, you kept the little Embers alive, yeah well there were flames, it's just you, you know when you have people in a club and you take away their phones and make them be real human beings and not film everything, just get completely caught up with this idea of ​​capturing something and then putting it online, then you have a human experience, you mean when people like to live in the present rather than in the distant future, that's one of the best things about that line going to a good club that uses Yonder bags for your phones is that it just gets you out of at least a break like this podcast is. it's a 3 hour break from phones, there's no one checking the phones, I love it, that's very rare with humans, where they can just sit and have conversations for long periods of time without getting distracted by something that's not on me home. but yeah, it's a real problem with people, it's a huge problem, it's a huge problem, and the only thing I'll say about my very unconventional childhood is that there was a big premium on meals and I liked eating with people and hanging out. 4 hours at the table.

It was totally normal in the house that I grew up in, totally normal, in fact, it was like every day and that was our main form of entertainment and mode of communication, and you know, something that we did to feel satisfied and fun, and I still do it. do. I feel like that and we have dinner parties all the time and there are no phones and people are talking and hanging out and it's like there's so much more interest. I'm not on social media, but if I was on social media I don't think I would do it.

I find that on Instagram I'm just and I'm not bashing Instagram, but I don't think I would find something like that, no, it's definitely a lost thing and it's such an easy thing, it's such a fun thing, it's such a fun thing, yeah, it's cool and I think thepeople enjoy it. I think that's also led to the rise of podcasts because they don't understand it in their real life, so at least they get to be a sit-down person. In these conversations I have to say that this is not being stupid because I never suck up to anyone, but the effect that podcasts have had is just incredible and I would never have predicted that in millions of fucking years I would have done it.

I never thought about it when I first started doing this, I was in my living room with my friend Brian and we did it on a laptop and we had a webcam and we were like with my friend Brian, yeah, Brian redband from Kill Tony, you met Bri, yes. I did, I just didn't, but I love the quote with my friend Brian, like every bad story, like my friend Brian, we were in Mexicali and I just my friend Brian and I started hanging out online and then we started bringing in guests and We finally got a studio and I finally got a big place in Los Angeles like a real warehouse and then we finally moved to Texas, everything finally happened, but it didn't, I mean, I was in another part of media during that whole period And if I would have asked until the last few years that the future is clearly shorter, sharper, more produced, right, everyone would have thought that exactly everyone thought that, including me and I hated it, you know, I hate it.

I like long form, but I was never a long form magazine writer for years, so I thought, but I thought that was over, yeah, no, everyone thought so, even my friends, they were telling me how to edit my show, They said you should edit. that no one is going to listen after 3 hours, I say, then don't listen, okay, do what you want. No, I'm not going to make money doing this, it was just for fun. I love it, it was fun for years. for years and years I did it just no money there was no money in it forever what year like how many years did it start to pay off five that's a long time, yeah, a long time, it took a while, I mean, it was Doing it was probably like sub-existing, yeah, but about 5 years later he started making money and then it was like, oh, this is a business.

I remember very clearly being on stage. One time in Chicago I was doing Chicago theater and I had this story I was going to tell, I wonder how many people listen to the podcast and there are 3,700 people in the place and they went crazy, it was like yeah and I was like, oh, like I thought there was something like that I'm doing where you know some people are paying attention I don't even know what even back then I didn't even know what the numbers were I didn't even care well maybe they weren't Could you even collect numbers with precision?

Yeah, you can get downloads from uh, you know, whatever the provider was with the host, you could get download numbers from the host and they would use them to report ads like oh. you get x amount of downloads per month and then you would know that's when there are very few people advertising on podcasts, okay, let's try it, but it's one of the big developments between podcasting and Billy Strings like I've done it, I'm serious. I'm hopeful that it's not all going in the wrong direction because you can have this vision of everything falling apart in late Rome, yeah, it's just a matter of time before you know it's actually collapsing and then you see these signs that are not minor, You know? are significant that, like no one, I mean, I haven't met a person in the last year who said, you know, I thought this, but then I was reading the New York Times and I realized I was wrong, like it's not a person who was right, but the other.

Several people say they were listening to this podcast. I was listening to Rogan and d d it's like yeah really remarkable yeah that's why it's interesting it's interesting because you could put people in front of people and they might not even be right. bad, but at least now you're having conversations about something you never would have had a conversation about before and even if this person is exposed as incorrect, you now have a more nuanced understanding of what the issue is and why people think incorrect things and You know this idea of ​​platforms as people is very important today, why would you platform that person?

First of all, stand is not a verb and every time they take a perfectly good noun and turn it into a verb, you know a bad thing is a stand up platform. Oh, you mean letting an adult human being speak well. I think that's not just allowed. I think it's the law. Not only do I think it's important for us. It's even important to talk to people who are completely different from you and who don't agree with you. not at all, it's especially important, otherwise it's just masturbation, it's interesting, it's just you who gets turned on, but it's also interesting to know why these people think the way they think and I do, and there are also so many people that if you talk to them online, You would have these horrible conversations, but if you sit down with them like a real human being and treat them with respect and consideration, you talk to them like a human being and try to be as friendly and open as possible despite your differences.

You might realize that most people have a lot in common, a lot more in common than they don't, but that's the secret they're trying to hide, yeah, so mind control, you know, the Final stage of Mind Control is censorship, right, but? It starts long before that and it starts creating false categories that block your disposition that prevent you from wanting to know certain things or talk to certain people and insults are the most obvious tool like he's a nutcase, he's a racist, whatever he is. fill it out and then say, I can't listen to that person and I have to say that you are willing to present a platform or have a conversation with Alex Jones.

I think it was a revolutionary act, it's not really that everything Alex Jones says is correct. No, not everything I say is right or anyone says it's right, but Alex Jones is an interesting person and even if he's not interesting, he's been isolated from the rest of us, yes, through name-calling and your willingness to be like If not, we actually are. I'm just going to listen to Alex Jones and you can decide for yourself. Well, Alex has been my friend for over 20 years. Well, well, exactly, but even if he just says, yeah, but I'm sure you have other friends you haven't invited. like you're not allowed to talk to him and when you listen to Alex Jones talk you might not agree with everything he says.

I don't know if I am, but you definitely understand why they told you that you couldn't listen to Alex J. Well, that's it. One of the reasons I had him as one of the first guests when I came to Spotify I love it, I was like, come on, what did they say? Well, a lot of people weren't happy that we lost sponsors, it was a problem. but I think he did the job, you know, regardless of what he said, that's wrong, clearly Sandy Hook was wrong, you know, Alex, I know Alex personally, so I know what he was going through and you know everyone wants Talk about it. mental health and want to praise people for being honest about their mental health issues and supporting them on their mental health journey to wellbeing.

Alex has been through some real problems and one of the reasons he's been through some real problems is because that guy is finding out real things, that's terrifying every day and he was drinking uncontrollably and you know he's constantly stressed and crazy and When you see so many lies and so much propaganda and so many investigations that are being done to people, you start to see where they are. They don't exist and that's what he did right and he's also channeling some things. You can't call 911 in detail because you're super informed before he called it, he literally called it in the summer of 2001, he said.

Planes will fly into the World Trade Centers and blame a man named Osama Bin Laden. We know he said that because he said it on tape several times and then said, call the White House and tell them this now, that's all. We know about Alex Jones, let's say that's the set of facts, how did that happen? How did that? No, he is channeling something that is super, yes, of course, yes, there is no like any other. I mean, tell me how he did it. Otherwise, I've asked. him about that how did you do that finally dined in my barn recently we're talking about this how did you do that I don't know it just occurred to me and that's real that's real the super superal is real and I don't know why it's so hard for the modern mind, I guess, because it is a materialistic mind to accept that, but what you see and that is not a new phenomenon that has happened throughout history, there were people called prophets and there are people who were prophets who were not called prophets, but there are people that they have information or pieces of information, fragments of information, visions of information that come to them and then they transmit it, it's not theirs, they received it, this is like, you know, one of the oldest phenomena of humanity. in the history of humanity, then those people tend to be a little crazy, a little unbalanced, a little different from everyone else, you know what I mean?

They live on locusts and honey in the desert. I mean, that's right, they're not like everyone. more and that's clearly part of what I'm not saying that everything Alex Jones says is a prophecy from God, it's not, but that was prophetic, and if it wasn't, tell me how it wasn't in July 2000 like I . I lived in Washington in July of 2001. You know, my father worked in the government like I was as knowledgeable as anyone about what was going on in the government. He has always interested me in what happens in other countries. He knew Assam. Bin Laden knew about the Taliban.

He knew that you know more than most people. There is not a single person who would say. No one in Washington DC was saying, "You know sometime soon they might crash planes into the World Trade Centers and blame Oam Bin Laden." like that it just didn't exist, so if you said that several times in front of the camera there is a reason like and and everyone. I told this to 50 people, what I just told you, and they all look at me like, yeah, that's stupid. I, who is stupid, tell me how he did that, that is impossible, in reality, he didn't do it just with that either.

No, I'm aware that he's done it with a lot of things and that's one of the most interesting things about him. which like he talks about Stu like he talked about I'm going to send this to Jamie because this is one of the really crazy ones that he called and this is like 2000 um 2000 probably I guess 2017 here it is let me. find this give me a second here I find it because I sent it to him like what did you call this? because it's one of those where you say this is exactly what's happening now here it is here 2017 wait a second I'll send you this Jamie come on tech come on okay I sent it to you Jamie so this is the Instagram clip of a guy I found, who took a clip from the podcast and he's making comments on things, put them up real quick.

Yeah okay cool here we go 22 years on the Infowars podcast Alex Jones and Joe Rogan discuss what's going on currently Google CERN tech vampires aliens in a nutshell Alex was pretty spot on with this post man let me know what you think? is he crazy? Or is he onto something? He's really big, so he's okay, yeah, pour another shot. Get this right. Let me give you my best in-depth research. Proclamation once you know what you think is going to happen, but am I wrong to hold out hope. that aliens are real because I'm telling you this as one of the two guilty pleasures I still cling to is Bigfoot and Aliens those are two Bigfoot not so much I wish it were real but I'm just not are you ready yes real Bigfoot no come on ?

Dad, no, are you ready? Yes, I'm going to give you the best of Joe. There really are aliens in this room right now. Yes, you are not from this world, brother, you are the alien. Oh wow, I didn't know that. Well, this is what the elite believe and let me be very clear with the media. I'll take this out of context. I only go with what I can prove. Oh thank you, and people can't even stand that there are armies that we are fighting against a pedophile. conspiracy, but beyond that, it's a vampire conspiracy in the sense that they're interdimensionally sucking up the essence of our youth and they believe they're possessed by an extraterrestrial entity, that's right, yeah, and Joe, I've been up in the air 22 years, I don't get into aliens religion metaphysics all that I've studied the elite and I've also communicated with a lot of the top people and if you want to know, I'll break down right now the best knowledge right now, what's happening on the planet, What's going on, the elite is all about Transcendence and living forever and the secrets of the universe and they want to know that this is all good, some are bad, some are a mix, but the good ones never want to organize, the bad ones They didn't want to. organize because they lost after power, powerful consciousnesses don't want to dominate other people, they want to empower them, so they don't tend to get together until things are very late in the game and then they come together.

Evil is always defeated because good is so much stronger and we are on this planet and Einstein's physics closes it, Max Plank's physics closes it all there is alYou said you knew why JFK was killed MH, did you explain that you didn't? and it's worth listening to. It's a very strange conversation that takes place in the Oval Office, which had recording devices, obviously, this became a big feature during the Watergate hearings, um, but Yeah, that conversation and I may be messing with it a little bit, but it's on the Internet and it's worth listening to, and the director of the CIA has this kind of ominous silence, so if I'm the president, you're the director of the CIA and I'm like, I know.

Why did they kill the guy who was president 10 years ago, the obvious answer would be: well, why, why, why, why do you know why they killed him? Do you have information about the assassination of a US president? like a really strange response like what kind of throw that out there like you're like you're telling me you know we're taking a piss you're in the next Journal you're like I found out the secret to life and I'm like uh okay that's not a good one. answer, right, of course, it is a revealing answer. Did you hear Trump's take on the JFK assassination?

Why didn't he reveal the files? I know. He said if you knew what I know, you wouldn't say it. people, which is crazy, well, that's his position on the UAP issue too, yeah, actually, um, and that's a lot of people's position on it. I mean, you know, Trump is saying that of course the CIA had knowledge of it, that's known, um, I mean, I mean. This is all so fun, there are so many levels and there are so many things I don't understand, but the whole JFK conspiracy industry and it really is an industry with more books written about it than almost any historical topic, um, it's full of crazy people, TRUE?

There's a lot of crackpots in there, but it obscures that fact, it obscures the broader fact, which is that the facts themselves tell an incredible story, yes, and everything I was able to address in great detail, but yes, um, yes, they're still classifying documents. 61 years later, both Trump and Joe Biden, in violation of my reading of federal law, kept those documents secret. There is no living person connected to the Kennedy assassination. It was a couple of generations ago. There is no person whose secrets are being protected. It is an institution or perhaps countries, there may have been countries involved as well.

I mean, I don't know the answer, but clearly there is something worth protecting and I know that when I spoke to someone who looked at the documents well two years ago and I got a fact. of them, yes, the CIA was involved and by the CIA The CIA is a huge organization, but James Jesus Angleton, the head of the operations directorate, had knowledge of this, which I think is well known, but that is the opinion of someone who saw the documents, so I thought that was news, so I went on television and said, "The next day, I will never forget it." I went quail hunting and I was driving back and I got a phone call from Mike Pompeo's attorney.

Mike Pompeo was the Secretary of State, but before. Then he was director of the CIA and in that position he planned the assassination of Julian Assan, so as far as I know, he is a criminal. I was worried, but his lawyer called me and said, "You know, you should know that anyone who tells you say the content of classified documents has committed a crime. He is threatening me. He is in my car. I will never forget it. this and I said are you really saying that? reveal that the US government had a role in the assassination of a democratically elected president say that out loud that's the crime what about the real crime which is assassinating a president like you're covering it up?

For that, Mike had no answer, so Mike Pompeo is the one who pressured Trump to keep those documents secret, so what's crazy to me is not just that Pompeo did it. I think Pompeo is a really sinister person and a and a criminal, I think I think because the facts suggest that he was caught Yahoo News Mike Isakov wrote a long article about this several years ago his employees went to Mike Iskov and told him Hey, Mike Pompeo is plotting to assassinate Julian Assange, who has never even been charged with a crime in the United States as director of CI, that's illegal, federal employees aren't allowed to just kill to people who don't like them okay just setting the baseline here so that's Mike Pompeo but he somehow bullied Trump into not posting this well okay it's all wrong I think it's a criminal behavior.

What's crazy is how Mike Pompeo is treated. They treat him like a Puba Republican with a good reputation. He hopes to become secretary of defense in a Trump administration, which is like completely crazy, why would you take a criminal and give him nuclear weapons? Well, that's my opinion, I think it's a common sense view, and since he goes to fundraisers and dinners, and everyone says, hey, Mike Pompeo, it's like no, you're the guy who kept the information . the public has no right to any secrets you are the guy who planned the murder of someone who committed no crime you are the outlaw you are the bad guy but no, they treat you like you know it as a pillar of Republican Washington I think I'm I think it's mind-blowing to see that and, by the way, you know, whatever, that's all I'll say, by the way, no, I mean, you know, people don't say that because they're worried about being punished, they're I'm worried that someone will put up Kitty porn. their computers, members of Congress are terrified of Intel agencies.

I'm not guessing that I've been told that, including the people on the Intel committee, including the people who run the Intel committee, the people whose job it is to oversee and keep in line these huge secret agencies whose budgets we can't even know are budgets. blacks them the parents the agencies are the children they fear the AG agencies that is not compatible with democracy democracy is a really simple system even representative democracy like ours the people govern they do it through elections they express their preference through of the vote they send their people to the capital city to run the government in their name as long as there are unelected people who are not accountable to anyone who makes the most important decisions there is no democracy I have something else, another system, I would call it tyranny or whatever Whatever you want to call it, it's not a democracy so it's super obvious, it's unfolding in front of everyone and no one cares and no one does anything about it and I and I believe the reason is because they are threatened and if you look at the chairman of the committee that allows This happens year after year, everyone, and I don't know, people say, oh, they're compromised, they're being blackmailed, no matter what you do.

I have no proof of this, but I know them and they all have things to hide. I know this for a fact, so it's not a stretch to imagine that you know some committee chair who allows warrantless spying against American Americans or any abuse to continue. they are allowing to completely know or hide the truth about UAP by ignoring the UAP Disclosure Act 2023, like why they do that. It's not impossible to imagine some guy with a drinking problem or a weird sex life and that's very common, very common up there. that's why they're doing it because they don't want to be exposed I don't have proof of that I don't have proof of that true but that's not crazy to assume that that could be happening and I told someone a very powerful person the other day in a conversation in my kitchen an elected official is in a very high position a very famous person I was going crazy I was so angry about all this stuff and warrantless spying and funding for these crazy wars and I told the guy who serves in one of the legislative bodies like he got so angry that my dogs were afraid they were like, well, why are you yelling?

Because I don't scream at home, but I was like everyone else. these people are controlled, they're all you know, they have weird sex lives and all these things are hiding and they're being blackmailed by the Intel agencies and he said I'm quoting, I know I thought are we okay so at this point ? We're just admitting that that's real, like why do we allow that to continue with people getting engaged? God, that's an old story, it's the oldest story, J G Hoover, I mean, it's, it's, it's, uh, they're all Epstein's Island is everything, but look, I don't have anything.

I'm telling you. What is the phrase? The finance guys wear open kimonos. Actually I'm telling you everything. I know. I don't know anything else. We know that the publicly available facts tell a very clear story: the government is not acting on behalf of the population and is therefore inherently illegitimate because its only legitimacy derives from the citizenry, the only reason the government can do things is that it kills people. money by force, all the powers it has come from one place and that is the consent of the government, that is the only legitimacy they have and that is where this concept of Good and Evil is fascinating because when you think about it, if this It's true and whether these people are compromised because they are secretly perverted and disgusting, they are corrupt and steal money or all these different things are evil things that lie controlling people, participating in unnecessary wars that will cost thousands of lives. profit, all these things are bad things, so if evil is real, evil would want those type of people to be in a position of power, yes, and here is evil, it would want men to breastfeed their children, here there is the similar option, here is the illusion from which we fall. again and again we imagine that evil comes as it is completely announced as such, as evil people look like Anton Le, yes, you know what I mean, black cloak, exactly sickle.

Evil is an independent force that exists outside of people and acts on people. I really believe that I have experienced a lot and it is obvious and what vessel the weak choose are the weak men and women who are instruments of evil the weaker the leader the more evil that leader will be that's right and unfortunately we have reached a point in the history of America where Every leader is pretty much a weak woman or a weak man and, I'm sorry to say, that's true and the weaker the leader is, that's why Mike Johnson everyone says, "Oh, Mike Johnson is a good guy." Well, I know Mike Johnson and he's a perfectly nice guy to the point that he's polite and he seems kind of meek and restrained and he doesn't say all the time, you know what I mean, he has a kind of button effect, um but he's a weak man and that's the man you should be afraid of the people you shouldn't be afraid of the least are the ones you know, they're stubborn and loud, they don't care what other people think, yeah those Guys will go out of their way, but they probably won't bet you know genocide or explode. the world in a nuclear exchange because they may be nasty but they know who they are weak people just become hosts for evil you know an open empty building that evil occupies owns even um and that's exactly what's happening to Mike Johnson.

What Mike Johnson is doing seems absolutely crazy to me, but it's not because he is evil, but because he is weak and therefore susceptible to evil. It's a significant distinction I've noticed. It's a very strange thing how many weak people end up being leaders in this society and particularly. because a lot of people don't want their life exposed, they don't want that eye of Sauron looking at them if they try to run for president, I get it or the physical threat, yeah, physical, I mean, look what's happening to RFK, where the Biden administration for the first time denied him secret service protection is absolutely like a legitimate presidential candidate well it's absolutely crazy yeah I mean how is that?

I mean, it's hard, you know, you realize that a lot of the things that we took for granted were actually voluntary, like people just don't do things because that's wrong, that's not fair, you know what I mean, that's bad sportsmanship, as if there's a lot of self-control involved in running a functional society that you can't do in yourself. I can't just create an infinite number of laws and enforce them, that's impossible, you depend on people to just not do evil because I'm not the type of person to do evil mhm and once the people in charge decide right , I'm just going to do whatever I want, there's not much you can do about it, so Administration B denies him Secret Service protection and you're like, how can you do that?

Well, we are doing it, what are you going to do about it? the answer is nothing, actually, what is the most recent bill they are trying to pass? About the ability to monitor phones well. It's just a nightmare scenario. It's something they're already able to do because they did it to you and they did it through an encrypted app oh they do it oh yeah how do they do it? Do you know how they use how they got into your phone? Well, there are two ways to do it. It's interesting. And I was with Ed Snowden.

In Moscow. and he talked a lot about this because he has the technical knowledge, he is above all an excellent and principled person and his exfeed is a very good place tostart so people understand what is happening here. He's paid a huge price for being, obviously, because literally exiled to Moscow, involuntarily, but there are a couple of ways to do it, one that you know you can hack the signal. I assume it's open source, it was created with CIA money, as I'm sure you know, I'm not sure that's the case. like, I don't think you need to do that, you just capture the phone, you just capture the phone and the bottom line in terms of digital security is that nothing is safe from state actors who want to spy on you and that's it, there is nothing electronic. communication that they can't monitor period, what's up with these things like Eric Prince getting a new phone?

I think it's called disconnected, yeah, Eric is a good friend of mine and I have a couple of those phones and I've talked to him. He talks to him a lot about it and he's really a wonderful person, one of my favorite people, actually, um, but I think that phone is designed for a different purpose, and that phone is designed to prevent Apple and Google from tracking you. it's kind of a separate category like um, it was this Jimmy, this is the bill, I think, I think which Bill you were talking about, oh, okay, the house bill in 72, can we move on to the that you highlighted, so this is perfect? example, so, um, the Turner heims, Congressman Bill Mike Turner and Jim heims, so who are Mike Turner and Jim heims?

So it will be funny that they are both the most and who knows why, and you can fill in the blank with the reason. I'm not going to do it, but those are two of the most reliable water carriers for the Intel agencies and basically the federal bureaucracy in Congress. These are not people who work for their constituents. These are people who work for permanent Washington. I would say these. They are two of the most sinister people. I know more about Turner than Hees, um, but it's not surprising that they're doing this, since it would allow federal authorities to also force any other service provider with access to communications equipment to hand over data to anyone who has access. to a Wi-Fi router server or even calling anyone from a landlord to a laundromat you will need to help the government spy so that's the story so basically no warrant of course no warrant on absolute and, as you know, violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. like anyone cares anymore, no one cares clearly, but I just remember when I was a kid and we were pretty much the same generation, you remember this too, people say, oh East Germany, like there are more spies than people .

East Germany was like the most elaborate surveillance state ever created and of course it collapsed, but we always make fun of East Germany or North Korea, who have more privacy, the average North Korean or the average American, well, obviously , the average North Korean because there is less technology that the US government spies on. about its own population more than the North Korean government spies on it that's just a fact I'm not saying North Korea is preferable I won't move there I won't bring water for North Korea what I'm doing is criticizing my government because I live here because it was better, it can be better, it should be better and it will only be better when we demand it and it's not something esoteric like you have to be a crazy civil liberties lawyer or something that every person should demand as a starting point a line of base that no, you are not allowed to spy on me.

I didn't do anything wrong, right? What right, without privacy, without humanity? You can't be fully human without privacy and you also have to keep in mind that these people who are ahead of these intelligence agencies requesting this data are simply human beings. human beings requesting data from other human beings without going through a court without going to a judge and obtaining a court order without stating a case without having a clear mandate from National Security, something of course not and there is no justification, I mean the way we had fisa We've had FISA, the foreign intelligence surveillance act since, I think, 1977, so it predates 9/11, did it stop 9/11?

Oh, I don't think I've kept my mouth shut, you're not protecting us, you're actually opening the southern border to anyone. Who wants to come? You're not checking IDs. You're not doing any kind of biometrics. You're not even testing for covid. So you clearly don't care about my safety. Stop telling me yes. criminal, stop this, you don't care about my safety, so using my safety as a pretext to spy on me is not going to work because I'm not that stupid, I can be a little stupid, I'm not that stupid, no, you're doing this for a simple reason because this is what organizations protect themselves they exist for their own benefit all human organizations from the church bake sale committee to the Department of Justice they are all equal they are an organism like any other and The main purpose of an organism is survive and reproduce to grow and this is seen throughout the federal bureaucracy.

Well, it just so happens that the largest human organization in history is the federal government of the United States and all of this benefits it. acrs to your own power, I mean let's say you believe every scientific quote or scientific claim about global climate change, you wouldn't come to the same political conclusions, well the first thing we need to do is ban private air travel because obviously that it doesn't make any sense and then the second thing we need to do is you know whatever you would look at it rationally from a scientific point of view if you bought the premise, which I don't, but if you did, you wouldn't. you look at every climate quote, climate lawsuit, none of them take power away from big organizations, whether it's NOS or the US government, none of them, they all make the government more powerful and they all make you less powerful , that's when you know it's not like that.

It's really about the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere, it's about making them more powerful and taking power away from you and it's not about who runs those agencies, the bigger the agency the more effective it will be at doing what they all do. human organizations, which is to protect themselves and increase their power. It's like that, it's fundamental, I guess that's what I'm saying, it's not about, oh, elect Trump, it will change, no, it will only change when we're taking out the CIA and we're going to have a little Intel meeting. service that provides the president with relevant information so that we can make informed foreign policy decisions, but we are not going to like to overturn elections in other countries in the name of democracy because that is crazy, if we believe in democracy, then we are going to let people vote for their own leaders because we believe in democracy as a principle, like you, just get rid of all this because it's not helping us, it's only hurting us and it would take someone, you know, who would be willing. be killed to do something like that and this is how you are choosing your leaders, ask yourself if this person is sincere enough to die and that is the same question you ask about your own father, does he love me enough to die for me ?

My own husband, does he love me enough to protect me from a home? A home invader at risk to himself. The basic prerequisite for leadership is love for the people you lead and the willingness to die for them, and if you don't have that, you should. It's not a leadership point, it's true in the military, it's true in business, it's true at home and it's true in government, so no president is going to fix this unless he's literally willing to die for it and, Except for that, it can't be. fixed I can't think of a better way to end this conversation than Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen, he nailed it well, listen, it's been so much fun getting to know you.

I think you are a controversial character in the world. world, but they don't understand you and I think that if people pay attention to your real work and the things that you talk about, I think that overall you are a force for good. I really think I feel like I'm the most conventional person who has ever lived yes I don't think I'm radical at all I'm the complete opposite in these crazy times someone who is conventional and wise seems radical maybe I'm hoping for a better time yes I think a better time is possible I do too, it's just that we have a rough ride ahead, yeah, no, I'm not breaking up anytime soon, sorry, yeah, thanks Tucker, thanks Jeff, bye everyone, ah.