Was Jack The Ripper Actually Caught?

White Chapel East London here in 1889 a cruel murderer roams the streets, the identity of the murderer is still unknown but he has a name Jack the Ripper. One theory is that it was William Barry, unlike most Ripper suspects, Barry was hanged for murdering the brutal. murder of his wife, but was he guilty? Today we organize the trial again with new witnesses and new evidence. This is the trial of William Barry, who some believe was Jack the River. It is a Sunday afternoon in Dunde, Scotland. William Barry is drinking as usual. He is 29 years old. old unemployed and recently moved from London, he today seems worried because he is about to do something that will result in his own death around 7 p.m.

William Barry enters the Dundy police station and says that he has to talk to a police officer. He sits down with Lieutenant Par and tells him an extraordinary story. He says his wife is dead and he fears he will be accused of being Jack the Ripper. And? Do we know about William Barry? William Barry was born in Stowbridge, which is near Wolver Hampton. uh, he was an orphan when he was 6 months old. His father died when he was approximately 3 months old. His mother was imprisoned in Booster City and Lunatic County. Asylum when he is in his teens he is already becoming someone who is off the edge of normal society, if you know what I mean, he is not able to hold down a job with which he does not seem to have regular relationships. people, has no proper home in 1887 William moves to London and settles in B, just east of White Chapel, here he gets a job for a man called James Martin, now James Martin was his sister Merchant, now in those days a sis Merchant took saus from sis Mills, you pick it up from sis Mills or carpentry shops and any carpenters workshop and you would sell it to tavern bocher shops when they would be scattered on the floor because if you think about the moment you walk in to a tavern what is happening?

It's just floorboards and saus, that's what you're walking through and then they swept it up when it was dirty, okay so he's selling sorus, this is James Martin, but

actually

the sorus business is the cover. for the brothel he's running out of Quicket Street 80 Quick Street, he's running a brothel course, you don't want to say that, so you position him as a classifier. William Barry gets a job with him. Hawking sister, so he's picking up her sister and taking her. In pubs, of course, the problem arises as soon as he walks into a pub with someone.

What is he going to do? He has a drink. He never leaves the pub. So he never made any money. Now Ellen Elliott was a prostitute. working for James Martin and that is where William Berry met Ellen Elliott in April 1888. William and Ellen are married, but from the beginning it is clear that the marriage is unhappy. Many testimonies will tell you how badly he treated his wife. He was seen sitting on it. of her with a knife and all sorts of things, he seems to have been someone who didn't work very hard, she had money left to her by an aunt in the form of shares and, increasingly, he took her money to finance his speed drinking , although it was supposed to pay for horses and carts and stuff, but saw us doing business a year after William Berry moves to East London, the White Chapel Murders begin between August and November 1888, At least five women are murdered, the victims of a serial killer who became known as Jack the Ripper.

The last murder of Jack the Ripper occurs on November 9. Now what's interesting about this is that a change occurs in William Berry's Carri, so that she went from being this violent, abusive, aggressive man to suddenly becoming the loving, caring man of his. He and her husband got a job in Dundee for £2 a week and he got Ellen a job for a pound a week. He told his wife that they had been offered employment in Dunde for both of them in Juke's shop where they lived. a Juke Mill pretty close to them, that's how she knew about Juke, it was a forged document, the document, the letter she had, she didn't even know the name of the company spelled correctly, but they came here, she reluctantly, but he made her come here.

On January 22, 1889, William and Ellen Barry traveled by ship from London to Dundee, arrived on the SS Cambria, the steamer, spent the night, and then on January 23, came here looking for accommodation, so here we are in Union Street and They arrived at number 43 at the time when Mrs. Margaret Robertson had rooms to rent that suited William Berry. I'm pretty sure there was a tavern. They stayed here for 8 days, but William decided that the rent of 8s a week was too expensive, so in the end. In January they left Union Street, their new home considerably less comfortable. Well, they had a property like this.

That's not the case because the property has been demolished, but here we have what we call moats. Now people think of castles and water when they think of Moes, but you will see the space between the street and the building. They had what they call the sunken floor, the basement below street level, so here is the street, you have this space and then in the sunken floor you access the property. I would be walking down these stairs and if you can imagine how cold it would have been, it's February, it's February 1889, they don't have a proper fireplace in the basement, it would have been very cold less than 2 weeks after we moved into Prince's.

Street William Barry shows up at the police station and tells them that his wife is dead. He appears at the police station on Sunday. He talks to the priests about hoping not to be considered Jack the Ripper. The cop takes what he says with a pinch of salt he thinks he's a nutcase um he tells the police then that his wife is in an apartment and that she's dead and that she had strangled herself and that he put her under a box and he mentions that mutilated the The body was furious and Lieutenant Par took him upstairs to Detective David Lamb.

David Lamb then told the lieutenant to keep Barry in custody while he went to have a look at the property. Barry apparently wasn't too happy when he was asked to present. the keys, but he was not allowed to go there with the policeman, he wanted to be present and was not allowed to do that, the police immediately go to Barry's apartment, there they make a gruesome discovery, first they enter the small kitchen naked and apparently without using. Then they go to the back room here they find a bed and a fireplace in the fireplace they find burned remains of women's clothing on the floor they find a rope and on the window sill they find a knife with traces of blood and flesh.

In the middle of the room there is a box and inside the body of Ellen Barry, she was mutilated and her leg was broken so that her corpse could be placed in the box. There was another intriguing clue they found on the back of the flap. Another entrance with a staircase leading to it was written on the wall with the message Jack Ripper is in this basement and on the door was written Jack Ripper is behind this door. You and Mcferson think this can only have been written by William Barry himself. Can we consider that Jack Ripper is in the back of this store?

Jack Ripper is in the cell. Can we consider these things to be a confession? Well, obviously it's not signed and we don't really know, but what I would ask you to think about is how. Many people might have argued that the writing was older than the discovery of the tragedy. I'm not the one saying this, I'm the dundy advertiser, so someone put this out there. How many people knew there was a body on that property? Well, no one except him, who otherwise might have been, there are no candidates, the identity of Jack the Repper is a mystery that continues to fascinate even now, every night of the week, and many people do not take to the streets of the east from London to discover more about the White Chapel killer.

I would like to welcome you all to White Chapel. My name is Mick. I'll be your T boys. What I'd like to do tonight is take everyone back to Victorian London in 1888, if you will, when things were very different around here. You see, when we think of Victoriia London, what do we think of when we think of top hats? They all wore those top hats. Those horse-drawn carriages passed through the cobblestone streets, passing by those gas lamps that everyone loves so much. Queen Victoria was on the throne. The novels of Charles Dickens. What did very well for us was fantastic in the West End.

You see, all of that was happening in London's West End. Here in the East End. Generations of extreme poverty, extreme unemployment and extreme overcrowding turned the entire area here into slum ghettos. This was very It's very much the poorest part of the city and not a place you would want to live. It's also worth remembering that this was a long time before the benefits system looked at whether you lost your job or couldn't find one, which was almost certainly the case around here. You couldn't just sign with your wrist, keep sticking food in your face and wait for something good to come along, there was nothing to it, it was up to you one way or another to find the money to both feed yourself and put your head to bed for the night. lodging house there were lodging houses all over this area these streets were full of them and if somewhere like that you had been living you didn't get a nice house moving in with your wife and kids, this was the Instead you lived in a part poor in the city in a lodging house where you paid rent by the night and it wasn't very nice, but it kept you off the street, because the streets were dangerous and people were dying of hunger on the street.

Streets around here I read a story where they found a woman dying of hunger right here on Wentworth Street, where we are now with the founder of The Talented, the rats had eaten what was left of her. Mick Priestley is an author and True Crime expert as well. As a Ripper tour guide, I think the reason people are still interested in it, I think was the environment in which it happened, like the slums, the gas lamps, the top hats and that kind of thing, but I also think it's The first time we had a serial killer in a major capital like this, followed by the modern press, it was such that it caused a bigger sensation at the time than any previous case, but it still continues to captivate people because they never got him

caught

if the whole case was that someone committed some murders, got

caught

, hanged them, it would be a slightly interesting footnote in the story, but it wouldn't have come close to publicity and now there are so many books and movies and everything is one of those names that everyone has heard of there are five murders it is generally accepted that they were the work of one man all the murders occurred in a small area of ​​White Chapel right now we are standing right outside the which was 29 Hury Street has since been demolished to make way for that beautiful, tacky expanse of the Truman Brewery parking lot, all the buildings on this side, although on the next street are much older than the ones we just saw happen in Brick Lane, are all the same as the event that occurred here on Saturday, September 8, 1888 would

actually

take place at 5:45 that morning at a quarter to 6.

The Brick Lane Brewers clock at the bottom left corner struck quarter hour and on the top floor of number 29 in the front room with his wife and three adult children packed in there with him John Deis, 56 , gets out of bed, walks through the back door, opens it outward, and, looking out into the yard, discovers the horribly mutilated body of Annie Chapman lying at the bottom of a a few steps there and to the left between the steps and the fence. , speaking now on the third day of the Annie Chapman inquiry, Dr Phillips was very reluctant to reveal the full extent of what had really happened here in the art, stating that to make such details public would simply be repugnant in this point a corer wi bter was supervising the proceedings suggested that perhaps all the women and children in the gallery should leave and when they did Dr Phillips was persuaded to continue it would appear that she was tripped on the back and hit in the back . she face and strangled violently early in the morning.

Gloom here on Hury Street we know because his face was swollen, classic signs of strangulation according to Dr. Phillips, then they slit his throat in two places with savage determination cutting his left artery sprayed with blood from 3 feet to the left, with After this, the murderer spread her legs, lifted her dress to her chest, leaving her naked from the chest down, and disemboweled her. He cut her down to her genitals. Large pieces of meat were cut from the stomach, removed and placed on top of it. our left shoulder the killer put his hands inside took out 3 and 1/2 feet of Annie's small intestine and threw it in her face the horrible violence of the murders made the murders infamous and public interest only increased when a letter arrived that claimed to be from the murderer was signed Jack the Ripper, but was it really written by the murderer?

There are two schools of thought on that uh, the first school of thought is oh yeah, the killer Ro, the second school of thought is that it was a man called Thomas Bulling, who was theboss, if you will, at the newspaper agency, he's the guy who said, hey, look at this, look at this letter they sent me and once he printed that in the paper the next day, he was selling triple the amount of newspapers so some people think that maybe he wrote it himself and it was a big scam to try to sell more newspapers, but regardless of who wrote it once that letter got into the newspaper signed by Jack Ripper, who was the one who gave it the name since the The so-called Ripper murders have shocked and intrigued in equal measure, but the central mystery remains who was South London, which brings us to the big question, the big question, of course, is who heck it was Jack the riffer, who was he when he walked around the east doing these things to people they really got away with it, they really took the secret to their grave, it turns out almost everyone who was alive in 1888 has been charged at some point being Jack the Ripper, including Queen Victoria, who probably had a crown on when she entered Dorsed Street.

I can only assume that Lewis Carol wrote Alice in Wonderland. He has been accused of being Jack the Ripper. The Elephant Man has been accused of being Jack the Ripper. Yes, luckily he lived two minutes down the road at the time, although we've had some better suggestions over the years. Suspects have been proposed, as has William Barry's evidence. He certainly he was in east London at the time and left for Dund at the time the murders ended. Well, Jack Gan never committed any more crimes in London after or anywhere after the event, so circumstantially it could make you think that he was there, lived close enough to White Chapel and certainly could have been the person who committed these crimes.

He lived in BO and it's not that far from White Chapel, so there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that could make you believe it could have been him, so people were putting two and two together and they pretty much got four. This was his excuse for not coming to the police on February 6. He thought he might be rested like Jack the Ripper. He now he would. I have to tell you that if you are an innocent man and you wake up and your wife has committed suicide, why do you think people would think you are Jack the Ripper?

It doesn't make sense you know your wife has strangled herself to death while you're asleep this is in dund ja repres active in London doesn't match doesn't make sense the fact that he mentioned the fact that he alluded to the fact that they thought it might be Jacker was interesting and so it was. Tongues wagged and the newspaper reports of the time that came out almost just two days after the event talked about this horrible mutilation and it reminded them of the outrages at White Chapel, so from two different angles we have the feeling that Could this be Chuck the Ripper, there is only one suspect for the Jack the Ripper crimes who is known to have murdered a woman Jack the Ripper style and that was William Barry, but Dundee Police were more concerned about the death of Ellen Berry. that the White Chapel Murders and on 28 March 1889 William Berry was tried here in Dunde Court Number One for the murder of his wife with no witnesses to the death, the key evidence of what happened in the apartment was the body same in In total, five pathologists examined the body and their reports would be key to the trial of William Barry, the most important expert.

The witnesses in the courtroom that day were the doctors because almost all of the evidence was based on their testimony, the man from the temple and the stalker, who were the doctors for the crime because in Scotland everything has to be corroborated their opinion was that Ellen had been strangled her body had been cut open perhaps while she was still alive perhaps shortly after but certainly possibly it was a real possibility while she was still alive her leg broken and her body stuffed in the trunk the defense The doctors, on the other hand , they said we believe there is evidence of suicide here, we believe she strangled herself and yes, he opened her, he says yes, but it was in a moment of passion and she was dead at the time, so the two pieces of evidence say that one murder and disembowelment was possibly still alive and the other says suicide and a moment of passion he just can't explain why he did that for 13 hours, the jury heard the evidence. on both sides before retiring to consider his verdict, he is found guilty and therefore Lord Young has no alternative but to pass a death sentence, so the death sentence is formally issued and William Berry will be hanged by hand in dande.

The previous hanging at Dandee had been 40 years earlier because Dunde just didn't believe in it, so they were really worried about how the public would react and that's why his death sentence would be carried out in private. Here we are standing where Dundy's prison would have been, so we have the sheriff. The courthouse and next to the sheriff court was the prison, once you were sentenced in court you never saw the light of day, they just took you down a hallway to the prison, across the street are the old manufacturing factories lolium and from the top floor of the lenum factories.

You could see the prison yard and people gathered on the top floor of the Lenum works to watch the execution. It wasn't a public execution, but if you could get to the top floor of the Lolium works, you could see it. Berry was hanged by the neck, killing him instantly and we know this because we still have the bones from his neck, so what we have here are the six vertebrae that are William Berry's neck when he was hanged and cut from The Gallows because he was a convicted criminal, his body was taken to the anatomy department when they got there they would have dissected his entire body but his neck area would have been of real interest to them and as they went down through the different layers they would .

I got to this layer of bone and they retained them, so they preserved the vertebrae from his neck when the rest of him broke off and was buried in the area outside the prison. This was kept in the anatomy department and you can see on his second vertebrae here, which are right at the base of his neck, you can see there are two little spaces there, these are the fractures, these are the hangman's fractures, so when the body falls and the rope tightens around the neck, this part of the bone breaks. forward into this space here which is where the spinal cord is located and he would have crushed a spinal cord if he had stopped breathing his heart would have stopped beating and so it is a good execution the bones give Sue an idea this is the year of the 30th anniversary of anatomy being taught in Dundee and we thought it would be wonderful if we could celebrate it with lots of different types of engagement so we started looking at what was happening in the world 130 years ago and was there something we could link to and when you looked back , of course, in White Chapel, at the time the murders were happening in London and we knew that here in Dundee we felt like we had our own Jack the Ripper, our own William, who some people had thought might have been responsible. for those murders and we thought it would be a wonderful idea if we could actually recreate reconsider the forensic evidence presented at William Berry's trial in relation to today because at that point the jury was a little wobbly as to whether they were actually going to find him guilty and we want to know if they will come back with the same answer now that perhaps we know a little more about forensic medicine than at the time and that is why today, February 3, 2018, 129 years after Ellen's brutal murder, William Barry is on trial again.

This is the same courtroom in which William Barry was convicted. Lord Matthews, a judge of the High Court of Scotland, presides and, as in the original trial, the evidence will be considered by a jury of 15. Common People William Barry, although present, chose not to testify instead his statement was read to the court. I simply deny the charge of murder leveled against me. I do not want to make any statement about the time or manner of his death, all of which is true, it is now the task of law students at the University of Dundee Prosecution Service to present the evidence against Berry.

The first witness is Dr. John Clark, a forensic pathologist with over 30 years of experience. How often does he perform the autopsy? Dr. CL. Well, I think I've made over the years about 17-18,000 Mormon posts. Detailed accounts of the 1889 autopsies have been converted into modern-style reports. These now provide the key evidence for both sides. We will start from the head and work our way down. Body map in front of you. Can you see a line across the neck? Yeah, so that's the ligature mark, which is obviously the most important injury in this case. Can you tell us what a ligature mark is?

Please, well, it's a brand. that is placed on a neck, uh, that has been compressed by some object, okay, pull hard around the neck and this object will dig into the neck and produce a kind of pressure mark that will often remain there afterwards. Can we take a closer look at Mark and then at the neck? Can you tell us what these images are? He's obviously looking straight at the face and you can see this double line going around the neck. It is a horizontal line. I have a top border and a bottom border and it runs horizontally around the neck, so not up, um, and that's a typical impression of a latura mark, okay, and then based on the evidence here, um, do you?

What type of death is consistent with a horizontal mark? Continuous latura mark around the neck that you just described well. Usually a mark like you would get on a ligature. Homicidal ligation. Strangulation. So, strangulation. Something that was put around the neck and pulled. That is the most common situation that we find, having said that you can get into some types of hangings, such as suicidal hangings, which can produce a mark very similar to that, but that is in a specific situation and it is possible for someone to strangle. themselves, it is very rare. I think I've only seen one case in my entire career of someone strangling an elf based on the evidence you just described in front of you.

Can you draw any conclusions about this? Luggage mark in particular, I mean the findings in general because we're not just looking at the mark, we're looking at the other evidence in this, you know, there are what are called fixi marks on the face that I mentioned there, but I have to take that into account I have to take into account the fact that there is some bruising internally on the neck um and with all that I would certainly favor the translation of the legure applied by another person by another person yes, okay, thank you now. Can you tell us from your experience what someone's natural reaction is to being strangled? uh, I have no experience because I've never been there, um, but I think I know what you're trying to say, um, what, what, what could happen, yeah, um, I.

I would have thought it could be quite variable, it could be quite passive and the person would just lose consciousness sometimes very quickly and there would be little struggle at the Other End the person could be struggling and it could be quite a violent struggle, perhaps try to remove the ligature of the neck and can you identify any major injuries on the body besides the strap mark? There is a major wound in the middle of the lower abdomen, so this is very deep. wound, so this is actually going through the skin, so really from about the to the pelvis in the midline is a deep wound that goes directly into the abdominal cavity and a little bit of an arc has been sticking out of that, all the evidence with that injury and all other types of sharp wounds to the abdomen suggesting that they were inflicted after one death after another.

It is now a matter of agreement that Lieutenant Lamb of Dunde Police found Ms Ellen's body but in a box these injuries. but can you tell me how common it is for suicidal strangulation victims to end up with these types of injuries in a box? Well, I've only seen one case of suicidal strangulation, you mean strangulation, uh, uh, I've never seen any body, um. hanging strangulation ending up inside a box with many wounds to the abdomen and given all the evidence we have discussed, does this look like any suicide you have come across? I mean, suicides are some of the strangest types of death ever. to say, um, I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that this is a simple suicidal hanging, you know, from a high point, um, I can't completely exclude suicidal hanging from a low point, and I can't completely exclude the suicidal strangulation, um, but then you know, pathologist, we always say that nothing is impossible, that's why we have to say these things, but there is so much more evidence that this is ligature strangulation caused by another person and I say that because there is additional injuries to the body, because they have signs of fixel uh the nature of the ligature Mark some bruises inside the neck all these thingsThey point to that and not least how the body ended up in a box thank you very much Dr.

Clark, thank you now it is time for Dr. Clark to be interrogated by the students of the Aine University defense team. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Some hangings are carried out from a high point as a suspension, as the gentleman mentioned before, where the body swings freely and the gravity of the feet is lifted off the ground and for the most part. of hanging, so I like it, yes, however, hanging can also occur with a person kneeling, sitting, or halfway from a relatively low hanging point, such as a doorknob or bedpost, yes, Full body suspension is not necessary to cause death, not indoors.

There were a variety of suspension points, doors, and elevated objects such as a door frame. I'm not sure there was a huge variety. Don't know. I get the impression that this is a pretty sparsely furnished place. Reply Thank you for your Quantification, the second report was prepared by doctors Kier and Lennox and was dated February 14, 1889. Yes, 3 days after the initial post-mortem examination, Kir and Lennox, who appeared for the defense at the trial original, they reached a very different conclusion than that of the prosecution. Experts generally, if a person wishes to commit suicide, an ascending lature mark is left on the neck of this report.

Yes, could you see that these doctors describe this mark as the one above the rising latura mark? yes, they described it as a latura mark, the same type of lure, Mark, but rising from front to back mhm, but it rose upwards at one point. I emphasize the word lightly, it's not, it's not, it's not a big um, even with uh. Li strangulation caused by another person, you could get the mark by going up an SL angle and if we continue on page two of this report, your opinion was that the constriction was probably affected by the strangulation and that the strangulation was suicidal, yes, I mean .

I find it surprising that they come to such a definite opinion on suicide. This is the same as the reports came on the same day as the autopsy. They haven't had a chance to go look at the books or anything like that, so I find that A rather interesting observation, the defense also draws attention to the fact that none of the reports mention damage to the tissues of the larynx, in a In the case of homicidal strangulation, there is usually more damage in this area where the decoy is applied. Yeah, I agree, I mean. It's an important referral in both reports, neither of them talk, describe the lyrics, which is crucial in a case like this, the implication would have to be that he was not injured, otherwise I think they would have said it was an injury, um, yes, that's true.

Let's say, in a li strangulation, it is quite common, in fact, it is probably more common to find bruises inside the neck and fractures. I mean, that's the expectation, it doesn't always happen, but we actually have bruises on this. case um, so there is some internal damage but there doesn't appear to be any fractures, so in a ligature strangulation case there is usually more damage to this area than in a suicidal hanging. Yes, thank you very much, Dr. Clark, no more questions, thank you. Thank you so much. Next, the defense team will call their witness, Dr Richard Shepard, one of the UK's leading forensic pathologists, so in this case we have two possibilities: homicidal strangulation and hanging.

Is there a difference in general terms? And we have to talk generally here like you. I have already heard that there is a lot of variation in all of these possibilities, but in general, a ligature strangles a lature, the mark is lower on the neck, and when hanging, the mark is higher on the neck, so it is possible to hang it in other places. than a high suspension point, yes, and any accessory that allows some body weight to apply pressure to the neck through the ligature and we all know, just by looking at the back of our hands, how easy it is to compress a vein in the back of a hand and stopping the flow of blood through it, that's the kind of pressure level that needs to be achieved to stop the veins in the neck, allowing the blood to drain as well, so we're not looking for pressures huge to contract. the neck to a point where death can occur.

In the report of Dr. Kenya and Lennox, they describe the mark as follows, surrounding the neck is a band of discolored blue skin, the upper part being more marked than the lower seen from both sides, therefore, the band it has a slightly oblique direction from bottom to top and from before to back in distinction perhaps of temperament and stalker that can and lenux felt that this line slanted from the front to the back of the neck, so what caused these marks? They are clearly ligature marks that go around the neck, what can be used as a ligature, well anything can be used for ligature, it can be a piece of torn sheet, it can be an article of clothing, but most commonly it is something like this like a piece of rope, a piece of rope, a piece of something flexible. that will bend around the neck obviously to cause compression around the neck.

So what does the presence of an ascending ligature mean? Mark indicates a SE in production five an ascending ligature. Mark has significance in forensic pathology because it suggests that there is a point of attachment. suggests that the highest point stays raised while the body sinks and that is the meaning of an inclined ligature mark rather than a horizontal ligature mark, so from the material you have had, you may be able to be definitive about it. Whether it was an ascending ligation mark or not, no, we have two reports that have essentially the same weight because we have no photographs, we have no method of verifying or verifying the information contained in them, but we have two groups of two pathologists who have described things slightly differently and taking slightly different views on the matter, moving now to the issue of the larynx, did you consider the post mortem reports in relation to the injuries recorded on Mr Bar's neck?

There was no comment on any of the reports, we heard. larynx and the presumption here is that there were no lesions present, it would appear in 1888 or so. Positive findings were recorded, in other words, if there was an injury it would be noted, but the absence of injury would not be specifically excluded, so there is no damage to lenx recorded, no damage to larynx recorded and I agree with the Dr. Clark. On that basis, we assume there was no damage. This is more consistent with hanging it up one more time. Shades and it has to be Shades in this area of ​​forensic pathology.

I would aim towards using less force and aim towards hanging rather than ligature strangulation if those are the two ends of the spectrum we're looking at. The jury heard two quite different accounts from the pathologists in 1889 which led to the jury giving an unusual verdict what they said was that we believe he is guilty but we are asking for clemency and the reason they hesitated and asked for clemency in the first instance it was because they said they felt there was a conflict within the medical system. evidence, so in fact there was in their mind some of them anyway some doubt and Lord Young quite rightly said: you can't do that, you come back and tell me he's guilty or he's not guilty or the third verdict we have in Scotland, it's not proven, you can't give me a verdict and ask me to rate it, so you go back to the jury room and you come back with one of those three verdicts and they came back 5 minutes later and 5 minutes later they said guilty now the prosecution waits convince today's jury to reach the same verdict so they will question Dr.

Shephard's evidence. Can we focus on the doctors' examinations? Can and Lenic yes, of course, of course. How many days passed before doctors Kir and Lennox were able to access Mrs. Buy's body for her autopsy. The original autopsy was on February 11th and the Kir and Lennox doors were on February 14th and I, my memory is, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong in saying that she was found dead on Monday the 11th, so potentially the body could have been dead for almost 10 days. Yes, clearly, the body has been dead for three more days, so we change it between six and six and nine days, when doctors Caner and Lennox are performing their examination, what levels of deterioration would they tend to find in a body that had it been abandoned during that period of time?

It's very difficult to be sure. None of the groups of pathologists give us a clue. what they use to make these evaluations uh doctors Caner and Lennox don't say that the body was so decomposed that they couldn't see Mar's marks, they comment on the marks they saw and appear to have had no difficulty seeing them. It has to be any comment I make has to essentially be an educated guess, uh, February and Dundee is not warm, again I guess and therefore 3 days or six days in the house, not in a cold apartment, They will not cause the degree of deterioration of the body that one might see today in a centrally heated house.

Likewise, if the body is placed in a refrigerator after the first examination, deterioration will occur, but probably not very much. In that situation, would it be fair to say that Doctors Templeman and Stalker? We had a significant advantage over Can and Lennox, having essentially had a fresher first look and set of eyes. Yes, it's always a difficult question and it's always something difficult to deal with, since the pathologist who comes to do the second exam, things have changed, uh, but. experience will tell you how they are likely to have changed, so yes there would have been changes, but I do this on a regular basis, not day after day, but certainly month after month, and I am aware of the changes that occur, as I would.

I'm sure Dr. Kir and possibly Dr. Lennox thank you and the ligature line is particularly important in determining the nature of the death of M's body. In this case, the ligature line is of vital importance, certainly yes, so the internal examination, of course, and other circumstantial evidence factors of course, are important to this case. Well, we Pennsylvania pathologists worry about the pathology and I leave it to the court to worry about the other findings in its considerations. Dr. Shephard, how many cases of suicide have you seen and where was the deceased found with his intestines hanging out? of their body as a result of their partner finding them deceased, well, that would be a very rare case, um, certainly, cases of post mortem mutilation are significantly common, but I would have to accept that suicide and then mutilation is an extremely strange that one would expect and how It is common for people to hide the bodies of Suade victims they come across.

That's not strange. There are all kinds of reasons why they might do it. It doesn't happen every day, but it's not uncommon, but it would be safe to say. It is more common that people tend to hide the bodies of people they have killed. Yes, I think that would be a fair assessment to consider Mr. Buy's actions and include the mutilation of his corpse. Would the circumstances in this case be completely unknown? of a homicide, could you exclude a homicide based on all of these characteristics? I don't think it's possible, given the nuances of the spectrum I've described, to say that this couldn't be a homicide.

What I would say is that there are significant characteristics. within this causes me great concern to call it homicide the lack of injuries that I have already described are very worrying features for me uh in saying that I believe that this has definitely been inflicted by a third party okay, thank you finally the prosecution then, on the defense, present your closing arguments to the jury, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is my role to summarize the case for the prosecution. This is the tragic story of the relationship in which the husband was an abusive drunk who repeatedly beat his wife. with her for her money they dragged her to Dundy from London for a lie and just two weeks later this poor innocent woman whom her husband left without a penny of hers was murdered.

I'm sure the defense council will try to convince you this was a suicide this is not the case the prosecution claims that he found his wife's body submerged in the ground surely if she had hanged herself she would still be suspended from wherever she hanged herself no From now on ladies and gentlemen I ask you to put yourself in C's place for a moment you wake up in the morning F loved ones hang themselves what is your first reaction pain when trying to save them to get help surely it is not to brutally disfigure the body and treat To get rid of him who other than a modern would do this, there is no doubt that the cause of death was strangulation; however, if this were a suicide by hanging, more often than not there would have been a much more significant upward slope in the neck injury, as we have also heard to summarize.

Ladies and gentlemen, there is only one explanation for Mrs. Ellen's death, but her husband, the accused, Mr. William, murdered her, he carefully prepared the plan for her murder and then carried outcarried out this horrible plan, he strangled her, stabbed her and disfigured his wife's corpse. she carelessly placed her in a personalized coffin by folding her leg over her body and left her there. I ask you to consider all the evidence that you have heard and seen and in doing so, ladies and gentlemen, I urge you to find in favor of Dundy University today, thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is now my duty to speak to you on behalf of the team of Aberdine students who here represented the defense and in doing so I will try to persuade them to find our favor and maintain that the Dundee team who here represent the crown have not proven their case.

Beyond a reasonable doubt, they of course maintain that the cause of death was homicidal strangulation that what took Ellen Barry's life was a murderous act rather than a tragic self-inflicted hanging our case is that when forensic science, This is science here, carefully considered and properly analyzed, you will find that the post mortem findings are consistent with Alan Bar losing his life due to the self-inflicted hanging that this homicide has caused. It has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt to act as such in such a sad case and to do so the right way means separating our hearts from our heads and yet admitting that you will be affected anyway to illustrate the strength of our case that we can analyze together. in the medical evidence one by one first the lack of damage to the larynx and neck if this was not a violent attack by a man trying to kill his wife wouldn't there be more evidence of this the lack of injury to the muscles more Deep cuts in the neck and larynx correspond more to hanging than to homocylic strangulation.

Can I move on to my second point, now my second point, the lature mark and the suspension point? Through extensive examination, the latura mark has become a source of controversy in both. sides in the autopsy of Templeman and Stalker and with which Dr. Clark agrees on this matter, the horizontal mark found on the neck is indicative of homicidal strangulation. On the other hand, Ken's postmortem document, his Lennox, expresses a rising lature, Mark, which is more indicative of hanging. I can now? say something about the facts by looking at both of them togetherdemonstrates the power of our case William Bur brought the circumstance of his wife's death to the police, he went to the authorities and Lieutenant James Par reported that he had found his wife on the ground and that She was dead and had hanged herself with a rope. if he genuinely wanted to send her in a box in his actions are completely at odds with that, you will see that there are reasonable doubts and if there are reasonable doubts in this case, then this should force him to dismiss and continue with Abine's case so that Abine's team present this, this was a hanging, now it's up to the jury, so ladies and gentlemen, the other thing I usually tell Jues is that there is no time pressure on them, even though they can have as much time as possible . want or as little time as you want in this case you have 15 minutes so I ask you to stand down and consider your decision thank you in the original trial the jury reached a verdict in just minutes this jury has to be even faster so If we believe that Dundy was proven guilty, could you please raise your hand, in the middle, two, three, four, five, six, for Aline, for the defense, if you think they presented their case so that 1 , two, six, seven, so we?

We will need to have a discussion and then we will have about 10 minutes maximum before voting again. I wasn't sure if it was a strangulation or a hanging and I don't think either party felt like they were. actually I just couldn't decide which direction the two guys who gave evidence more or less indicated that there was more evidence in their minds in different areas to suggest that the lady had been hanged, could he have strangled her with it? being asleep so there was no Force, he slept next to her, no evidence, but she fought, no evidence of a NE, well I was just wondering because it can be very very fast if he went to WAP quickly or the force it would exert. be enough to cause harm to lenx or yeah, the first guy, the first expert witness mod said, um, it could be real quick when he went to the police, he just said he found his wife and who FL with the rope around his neck If it were, if I found your wife or your partner hanging from a door, you would surely say that I found her hanging from a door with her hand on the floor.

Mood. Okay, the judge asked us to vote on whether Dund had proven that he was guilty of murder. so if you think that Dand has proven the case that he was guilty, raise your hand, okay, I think so too, okay, so that's two, so who thinks that Abine proved the case and that based on her evidence Is there a reasonable doubt? Yes, okay, so there should have been 13 1 2 3 four five 6 seven8 11 12 was there Reasonable doubt okay, okay, so Aberdine proves the case. I personally believe she is guilty, but I couldn't commit. Is that it, okay, so we say, make sure you say the right thing. a finding for the prosecution or the defense um we found for the defense by majority 13 for the defense thank you well William brry stand up for a moment please I have good news and bad news for you the good news is that I have been acquitted of murdering your wife.

The bad news is that I'm pretty sold on your Jack Ripper, and to be safe, I'm going to kill you anyway. The verdict was incredible because we couldn't lose either. way regardless of how the verdict came out 130 years ago, they find him guilty and if they find him guilty today then that would support what happened then, but considering that at that time they came back with the guilt but asked Mercy to suggest that they had some doubts and This jury today clearly also had doubts that no one would have found him innocent. He still could have been guilty, but there were enough doubts that they needed more investigation and if you're going to sentence a man to death, you have to be. sure and no one then or now is really sure of William Barry's guilt, so where does that leave the theory that William Barry was Jack the Repper?

We have a mopan that matches. We have a person who was in the right place at the right time. Now you know. I think you know that when you look at the ber case compared to the other cases. I think it's a very, very strong case, was it Jack the Ripper? I don't know about that one either, I have to say, but it's a pretty compelling theory. and it's a great story thanks for watching this video on the YouTube history channel. You can subscribe right here to make sure you don't miss any of our great upcoming movies, or if you're a real history fan, check out our special History Channel History Hit special. you're going to love television