Viall Files Episode 113: Peter Weber Speaks Out

What's going on? Everyone, welcome to a very special

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of Vile Files, even coming to you on a Tuesday. I'm your host, Nick, accompanied by my producer Rochelle and we have the one and only Peter Webber. We really appreciate Peter taking the time. Do you know? Peter came up and said he was ready to talk and obviously we wanted to be respectful of him and his time on the show, so once we got the go-ahead we were able to set this up and it went something like that. improvised and last minute, but we know we mentioned we were going to have Jason and in that

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with Jason he's great, but we wanted to give you the Peter episode and we presented it on a Tuesday just to align it with what everyone else is doing going, so I appreciate that they accommodated the non-traditional schedule, but what a great episode with Peter, man, we talked about everything from the beginning to the end, yeah, I'm surprised he's actually a romantic.

At the end of the day, yeah, it is and you know you hear me talk in this episode and it's a lot of Peter really talking about everything from the breakup with Hannah to AFR with Madison Barb, what's going on with him and Kelly. etc, etc, but, you know, Peter is very open and honest about the criticism he deserves to receive and I love that about Peter, that he can admit that he is not a perfect person, but he is, he is dishonest and he would rather have someone . who is real and honest and can MIT when things are wrong or when he is wrong I will take him out.

I know who Peter is. I guess that's my point. You know he's a really nice guy. He was a little confused. everything that's been going on, but after the conversation I said no, he's just a good guy, yeah, I mean, you know, he clearly recognizes the fact that maybe he's not always the best one to make decisions in the moment, right? Yes, we. We can all say that in retrospect, but he's honest, I know that and I appreciate that he's as honest as he was in this episode, so we'll stop rambling and get right to it without further ado, I hope.

You enjoyed this episode of Peter as always, don't forget to check out our Ask Nick episodes on Monday. People love them, they are a big hit. I know there are a lot of people tuning in just to hear Peter. We appreciate you taking the initiative. time and listen to us and you know, feel free to watch some of our other episodes and anything else to grab before we get to Peter, no, okay, let's do it the way you want, buddy. I'm fine, yeah, it's good to talk to you. you know you know you've taken you know you've basically taken a break from being out there you know at least do interviews and nothing was a little hectic and dramatic for you and it sounds like you know it like you want to just get things out there, you meet a lot of people with the way things are and people are stuck at home and everyone is on their phones and everyone is limited to things that everyone has an opinion on.

So it's good to have you out there and talking and it seems like you know that maybe you're ready to share your point of view and then people can stop speculating about everything that's going on. in your world and you can just talk freely so we appreciate you taking the time yeah no absolutely thank you. Obviously, after AFR and everything, I didn't really get a chance to do any press and you know, keep talking. all so excited that I could come and you know, just clear some things up and yeah, just be open about everything, yeah, and I have a game.

I know, everyone knows I've got your back and you. and I've become friends during this process and that's not to say that you haven't been without criticism and you know I've pointed that out but you know one thing I've always said about you is you know you've never complained and you've never shied away from being own yourself, you know whatever mistakes you've made and I've always appreciated you and you've always been, you know, very authentic, you know, you say what you want, whether you agree with your decisions or not, people are always very critical with people who aren't authentic and don't put themselves out there, and you always have, so I just want to say that I appreciate that.

You and I think that some people sometimes get away from us and it's always very easy to criticize our choices and stuff like that, but it's hard to just put yourself out there and thank you for doing that, yeah, no, man, I'm obviously the first one, you know, like a scratched record. I am the furthest thing from perfection. I made a lot of mistakes, but as long as I can learn from them, look forward and be a better person at the end of all of this. I feel like now you know it's worth it and that's all I can do.

Well, how about we know if you agree? I guess let's start, quote, from the beginning in terms of "if we did it." We're just trying, you don't know there's misinformation out there, but if we start from the beginning and listen just from your point of view, because the truth is we always hear it's a cliché, there are two sides to every story. different points of view, it doesn't mean the other side is inaccurate, but we always see things through our own lenses of how you know things can be based on our feelings, so I know that, as you know, starting with AFR obviously It was crazy. right experience, a lot of things were said, you broke up with Hannah and you know that you and Madison went out there, I guess I'll give you the floor in terms of what your thoughts were on that and what there is information that you feel like you know that people haven't heard his point of view, yes, yes, if it is obvious, that was quite an ordeal.

I don't think anyone expected me to go down that path, but that was very difficult for me, you know, I remember leading up to that day having a lot of, honestly, anxiety, stressing about it, not really knowing how it was going to go, but I remember falling behind. during a backstage just before I left. about to go on and um you know with my producers and I was like I'm about to faint if you can keep playing it's like I was knowing I was about to see it again for the first time. Not really knowing what was going to happen with Madison in a live setting like that is difficult and the unknown in front of millions of people was really difficult, you know, I got on stage and I would look at some of that stuff. live that I hadn't seen yet, you know, watching that breakup with Hannah was brutal for me and yeah, there's just no other way to say it, honestly, I felt so bad about the situation that I felt like I let so many people down.

You know, Hannah Ann is going to be number one and I'm going to be number one and having to see it on stage and trying to contain my emotions and trying to keep my composure was pretty difficult and then you know she came out and had to see it for the first time. Maybe, yeah, it's a strange, strange thing to break up with someone and have it be so public and then you have to know that I'm going to confront them and listen to that conversation. I'll start over and I won't do it. I was afraid to do it as if I were falling on a sword.

I was 100% wrong about Han Han and in that relationship, honestly, I even went back to Australia and liked the commitment. I was so confused I was. I've just never been. that confusion in my whole life and that last week was an emotional roller coaster for me, you know, I probably shouldn't have been on my knees, if I wasn't, you're 100% sure of that and you know. What I do know is that I felt like I was in love with Hannah Ant and she was such a beautiful soul, just incredible, that I felt like I couldn't let her go and I knew that eventually I would leave my feelings behind and that heartache from Madison and um, I just I thought it was the best thing I could do at the moment.

I guess what people don't quite know and there's no way for them to know is that, so after you commit to the program. and then you spend a happy couple on the weekends, you know, I have to watch it three times, maybe I made you do the giant talking about Hannah Hannah Hannah Hannah, okay, yeah, and that's one of the things I just can't do There's no way to prepare perfectly for it and it's very difficult to go through all that terrible level spectacle and then not see the person you're engaged to except maybe three times in a couple of months, you know that's the basis of that relationship obviously.

It's not incredibly solid yet and being able to go through all that, no one really knows what's going on, there's all this speculation, all these rumors come out and then not being able to see each other for so long is hard and I just didn't expect it to be so difficult. And I think you know, I just didn't want to, it was shitty for me to admit it to myself, but I guess you know, as we spent time together that happy couple weekend, I just didn't feel like I didn't. I don't know, it's just that a lot of it was my feelings for Madison, yeah, they weren't completely resolved.

I wasn't 100% over it and I just don't know, it just didn't feel 100% good for me. and I kept trying to think it was going to get better and it didn't necessarily get better. Listen, I totally relate to that and a couple of things work and I'm just saying this to try to put things in perspective because I know what you're talking about and it's so hard to relate to this experience, it's just not like it's an unrelated situation. unless you've been through it and know I agree with you like you know I have. Hannah Ann on my podcast like yeah, you messed up and you've owned that taste and that sucks, but the reality is that in life and in relationships outside of undergrad, breakups are messy and sometimes people They make mistakes in relationships intentionally or not.

You don't have to be a bad person to hurt someone in relationships, that's how they work, but you know, when Vanessa and I broke up, there's literally a meme out there about like five minutes after we got engaged and it's like I. I'm like a deer in the headlights and the truth is it's like I'm literally a deer in the headlights, kind of like the show has just ended. As you know, I came out of thin air and I'm really wondering what I just did now. Admittedly, I had a huge crush on Vanessa when she proposed to him like she was literally the only person I had feelings for and when we had our happy matches, there was immediately drama between us and confusion and there were plenty of moments for things like that.

No, I had questions right away, the only difference between you and me in this situation is that okay, there was no one else I had feelings for, so I'm trying to get it out here, you're just there to try to put it in perspective for people. who listen, it's like I had the situation with Madison. I can't imagine if I had had that situation after having faced the immediate problems that Vanessa and I had, what my actions would have been, you know, examining why Vanessa and I had these problems and I talked to other potential clients in the past as if they were all in your shoes and some people like you take a good look at Ari and just to try to put it in perspective, like I totally empathize with what you were thinking.

Hannah Ann and for better or worse, whether you were right or wrong and you both agree that, yes, Hannah Ann was the kind of victim here, so to speak, but yeah, but what was it that felt right and what was not felt? specifically, I think, honestly, I feel like maybe we both didn't challenge each other enough and I think I started to really see that when now they're in pure isolation from each other and it's you don't have any of the show there and you can't just be. a normal couple, which sucked, I wanted to give us a chance to go into the real world and see what that was like.

I like her, but I think that gets mixed up with, you know, my unresolved feelings for Madison and then the fact that it's such a complicated situation because I want to be able to vent to her and I want to be able to lean on her about it. but I can't because that's so inappropriate and obviously that's not what she wants to hear and it would just be a really difficult situation for me and I really struggle with that and yeah, it was just you and you. You already said it, but you agree, I mean hide science 2020 and I kind of joke when I talk to people, it's like you don't like it.

I'm not defending Peter, he was wrong about that, but he likes his brain broke at that moment, it's like you're really stressed, but like you have a clearer head now, like you said, you probably wouldn't have proposed to him. Now that you have a clearer head at that moment, right? I mean, that's right. Right now, definitely, yeah, I can own that and I think what I should have done was, yeah, leave, not commit, not end the relationship, but I have that kind of pressure on us, but hey, you live in your learning, yeah, um. Believe me, I feel horrible taking that first commitment away from her for me.

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You know, she came on stage and saw it like me. I didn't know how she was really going to go, but obviously I think you know they put her in a very difficult position, a very uncomfortable position and I hated seeing her in that, you know. Honestly, maybe just as a quick apology going on stage, you know, as far as I know, a big thing with my family was, you know, and in Australia for family visits, yeah, we stayed out. for about three hours and we talked and it was a great day. That was true, yeah, that's all Madison or it's just some kind of show or just you guys talking, it was to be fair, it was me trying to convince her that she should come and talk to my parents, okay?

Barbara was totally honest and truthful at the time and I will defend both sides, that was the truth, but the truth also conceded that it was my actions that kept Maddie, you know, so reluctant to do it. and not in the right headspace, but yeah, all that waiting like my parents were frustrated. I totally understand that she just set him up for failure from the beginning, so maybe a quick apology could have gone a long way, but it's a tough situation and I hated making Maddie feel uncomfortable. I hate seeing my parents uncomfortable and I agree with you and I honestly want to say it's just my personal opinion.

I don't know how important it is because it's a crazy situation, right? you're filming a show, who knows what's going on. I understand why your mom would be frustrated. I understand why Madison took the time with her. I'm curious to know once AFR ended and here you are with Madison in the real world of the show. finished, I mean, I admit it just ended, what were some of the reasons why you guys, altum Utley, decided it wasn't going to work, yeah, so it was hard, we left, we left the stage together, you know that We're supposed to go do some press and we just couldn't do it, we just weren't in the right head Stace, she ended up going, you know, she went to her hotel and talked to her family for a moment, then she came to my hotel And we can. to chat a little that night, which was mainly trying to be there for each other and just supporting each other, we didn't have some deep combos that night, she came home the next day, her mom had I flew out and I went out and spent some time with her, so I didn't see her that day, you know, we talked on the phone and this is the second day that we spent practically the entire day together and that was going to be Well, let's figure this out, it's something we can do and that's it.

You know, I remember going to his hotel and it was like a really hard day. I was very sad. I remember that we stayed in her bed for probably six hours. We laughed, we cried, we hugged, we did it, we didn't say anything, we talked like it was hard and, but let me walk into the house like we broke up, you know it was, but what this was was like it was the tone. the whole time it was and I guess I mean, I've been through I don't know if everyone else has been through it, but you go through breakup relationships where you have a lot of ups and downs and you might get broken up a couple of times, but there's a thing that comes up. breakup where you know it's actually over and it's like there's no second like there's no more, but also I just want to point out when I say classic breakup like you've done it and that's what's fascinating for other people who might have questioned your authenticity in Madison like you've had those breakups like you're like you're like it's like it's like a four hour marathon or a five hour event where you like there's moments of laughing and crying in silence and sitting there, maybe like taking a break and watching an episode of The Office.

I don't know, it's really a marathon. I think it was a lot of people listening, I can totally relate to that, well, he's crazy. like for anyone who doubts you guys experienced it by not dating for months or years, which you usually know is the cause of a breakup like that, but certainly this was like this magnified situation, we were taking videos, we were singing, we were listening to Spotify that having a very serious conversation with an anonymous person, let's go to court right now and say, let's take care of all our problems, like obviously it's a joke, but as you know, I like all that stuff and then, but anyway, I remember when Actually, I could actually see it, he's talking, this is not easy for me, I lead with my heart all the time and I'm, just, that's what I am, but we were both like, listen, we have to just legitimately talk about This, logically eliminate all emotion. and the feelings of this are purely logical and that's what we did and honestly in the end we proved my mom right about these things that we talked about a lot of people think you know it was all about sex and it was all about save her, you know her for marriage and that was something that was going to be the most important thing that Peter couldn't do, which is frustrated, Missy because to be honest, you know that wasn't the most important thing for me and again I respect her. .

Maddie like no other and I always will, but it was other things that, you know, she was also saving herself for to be able to travel with her partner until marriage and what I mean by that, you know, trapped as something that I love . what to do, continue, you know, travel, explore new places, go, go to international destinations, we weren't going to be able to do that and stay in the same hotel, well, you know, she wasn't going to be able to, you know, come if we, if she. she moved to Los Angeles and I had my apartment, she had her, she wasn't going to be able to spend the night with me and that was something that she had just made a decision for herself, which, again, I respect like no other and that sounds like a small thing, but to me it could become a big thing if I was never able to do that, you know, possibly two years until we get married or something, that's not a small thing, so also to clarify, no is that. she wouldn't be allowed to travel, it's just that if they did travel, it would be kind of a production of always having separate hotel rooms, you guys, as you know, like a lot of couples do, especially in their 20s or 30s or whatever. and let's go to Europe, as it's true, they don't have separate hotel rooms exactly like they normally do and that's what if you want to do so cool, but they certainly are two very different lifestyles, it's a lifestyle that is so difficult and like just for I personally am someone who I really like my relationships with, like just spending a night together, not even doing anything physical, but just spending the night falling asleep, waking up the next morning, just having breakfast, like that's something I used to do.

Bond and that wasn't going to be the case with us, that was hard to come by, oh, so let me ask you this rewind a little bit. I think a lot of people, including me, watched the show when we went out in the fantasy suite. you revealed when you were very honest and you and math and you didn't fight with Nestlé, but she and I were very defensive with Matt. I loved how Madison handled that situation. I thought they both handled it very well. Your work with Ana's people talking. I hate to say this is her truth, but this is my truth anyway.

What didn't make sense to me was why don't you hang out and talk all night and sound like you do after hearing what they are saying. To me, that wasn't an option for Madison either because she just doesn't do sleepovers, whether you sleep or not, it's a shrew to say it wasn't like she wasn't going to spend the night. on The Bachelor, yeah, I would say yeah, I'm okay with that, I think to be fair, although we were both in such a weird, crazy headspace that night and I listen, I hurt her like no other, so I understand that probably don't want to do it.

Do you really have anything to do with me that night? I know she's probably free. I think we talked about it and she admitted that yeah, she probably should have let us talk at least for a couple of hours and then. You know, she could leave and go back to my room or whatever, but in the moment it was difficult, you know, and I've heard from a third party, so I don't know how accurate it is that that wasn't an option. You know, I'm curious to know what you think. Let's say you haven't had an intimate night with anyone else.

Yes. Madison asked you this question and you're surprised I didn't like it. I am incredible. Do you believe? she would have talked to you all night and stayed the night or do you think that date would have ended at some point like you know, I say that because you know how it was filmed right when the cameras move away and if you guys hook up or talk all night, all we know as an audience is that you guys spent the night together and you know that Madison being who she is and a woman of faith obviously isn't unfair.

I don't think it's unfair to say that Madison likes him. That perception of how she behaves in her community and not wanting people to think that she spent the night, do you think she would have? Know? What I'm saying is, do you think she would have still liked to have opted not to spend the night and made it clear to the audience that she wasn't going to do that, that makes it honestly, oh yeah, it does, honestly, yes. I feel like if everything had gone the way she needed at that dinner, then she would have let him know.

She would have taken out the envelope and read Chris's letter um. I feel like she would have agreed and I feel like you know that was the first time she told me. I know she was saving herself for marriage. I feel like we would. She would have gone back to the room and probably would have been there, but I don't know if she would have been on camera or not, but she would have simply told me that she didn't feel comfortable spending the night as she had loved. She would take as many hours as we wanted to talk and she would have respected that and understood, but I think she would have at least come back for a couple of hours still because we had never done it not once that we had done it off camera.

The time I had it, I don't mean it since I'm with Victoria, not one time did Maddie and I have it, which is crazy for me to think about in that world, that's it, I don't know how to explain it to anyone. . otherwise, I mean, it seems like a few hours and that's what it is, but it's really the only time you have and therefore it's so valuable, the first real off-camera that we had a little bit after we already You know, when it came to surprise. but the real thing off camera the first time was this is crazy after the show ended after a fr.

Wow in person, that doesn't let me ask you this after hearing you talk about it and I've actually been very nice. I've defended Madison with this kind of criticism that she's received is that you know a lot of people say, well, you knew what you signed up for, etcetera, etcetera, why if you knew what you signed up for, then why go ahead? program and I said, you don't know what you signed up for, everyone has different belief systems, but Madison's is pretty extreme in the sense that just because it's not typical doesn't mean it's wrong, I'm not.

No, I'm not criticizing her choice to have that lifestyle, but I am one, is that fair? Do you think what she was doing on that show if she knew that? As you know, I don't like it, she always bothered me when people were like, oh, you're the sexual bachelor because I have sex. I know you've been called sex back because people knew you know the whole windmill thing. It may not be sir, I have sex all the time, but you being someone emotionally sexual like you, it's a big part, like you said, it's part of your life, right? and Madison certainly knewmore about you than you knew about her that night.

You're right? You think maybe you're wondering why Madison bothered if she was going to be like what and I'm just thinking out loud what bachelor she could have worked with? Did you know? I'm saying that she has a very specific belief system and I respect that very much, but it's very specific and it's certainly not typical, so unless you know it and I don't, and you know, I don't think I think it's a great girl and I've never met Luke Parker, but I don't think it's fair to Madison to suggest that she should be with Luke's partner just because you know they're very open about their faith, but at the same time you like them.

I know what I'm saying: It was totally fair for you to go on the show and take a spot among one of thirty people, which isn't much for someone who's ever been to a bar on a Friday night, if at all. If you don't know someone you want to marry every night, then don't think thirty people are too many. Is it fair to you to have gone on the show knowing how strict she was about her belief system? Listen, I'll tell you this. I'm grateful he did it. I really am. I'm happy she did it in the end, even despite all of this, everything I feel like I learned from her in our relationship.

I will always be grateful for what I know and have heard those criticisms. We've talked about her and you know I don't want to talk too much on her behalf. I'm sure she'll address things like that, but just a little, just a background to let people know you know her. wasn't the one who initially signed up, she had had some friends that our family friends had assigned and there for her, you know, it was actually more, I guess it was like a why not, a situation like this seems like a great opportunity, why not, maybe this could work for me, maybe not and I remember asking him that question like, listen, you knew the kind of person I was, there was no secret to that with the windmill stuff. , like why.

Why did you feel like this would be a good idea for me specifically and she says I hate when people say that because your past doesn't necessarily just define you what you're going to be in your future and I these are her words, you know ? Like yeah, I can't control what your past was, but if it was the two of us in the end, I'm fine with that and I didn't need someone who was like me and had my exact same beliefs, like she told me so many times that those were some of the things that she found attractive about me, that we were so different in so many ways and, you know, I know she likes me again, I don't want to talk too much behind your back, but one thing that stood out stood out a lot to me and I respected her.

You know, what she said was that she thought that in the first year she wanted someone like you, you know her father, that was maybe you know you know very. strong in her faith and just someone more like her father and what she realized from watching the show was that she doesn't need someone like her father, she is very similar to her father and it might actually be nice to have someone a little a little bit different and she told me that she had dated people that were very similar to her and that didn't work out and again I don't know who is the perfect match, who is the perfect match for Madison, but just the kind of advocate on that.

I just don't think it's fair for people to attack her and her intentions of going on the show necessarily. I feel like they were pure and I know that what we had in our relationship was real and I know that we both know that we are not compatible with each other and that we are not right for each other and now I have 100% clarity on that, but You know that doesn't change how we feel about each other so well, totally and again. I certainly still buy that in general because I get annoyed by people who go on the show and act like they're just there for love, you know, and I'm not saying they're just there for the Instagram followers, people are there, as Madison admitted . that she was like that why not and I'm sure, I'm sure she didn't say it, but um, but she you know you're like why don't I like, I just guess I guess I'll do it. go right, right, and then she, like so many people before her, was trapped, yeah, in a crazy world and by then it was probably too late and you can certainly criticize Madison or wonder why she didn't leave before and you just think. that and I told her this that she told me before was yes, don't wait so long for everything yes, everything is considered an ultimatum to this day, wasn't she just expressing what I asked her?

All the women knew the first night, maybe just express me a little before, but the nature of the show is difficult, yes, I will defend Madison there where it is not completely dependent on her examination, so yes, once you are in that world, It's uh, and again I'll do it. They defend the producers more than people sometimes want, they are not the manipulators that people sometimes like to say when things don't go their way, but they are making a program and there is a structure behind it and how things develop. things are like that. It may be, it may be very timely, I will say, although this is, this is like behind the scenes.

I hope there are many things. I'm so bad at proposing and that's why who's good at hoses, Peter like you, Majid, someone says, hey guys. What are you good at? Yes, that just means you have a lot of practice. I don't want a lot of practice. I'm good second on this. This is shameful. It's a little funny. I was very nervous. shaking and like I'm getting on my knees and this is a big moment in my life, a big moment in Hannah Anne's life and I open the box, I take out the ring, I put the ring on her finger, I look at her like she got it all .

Excited, I get up to kiss her and give her a hug. I realize I never asked them to get married because I had to restart the whole proposal. In fact, I'm going to say where she is like, "Oh my god, fucking Dumbo," but I have, uh, yeah, like listen. spoiler sometimes you're just a human being on the show and you have to redo things sorry you have to redo things right the point of the show is to hopefully get us engaged and I forgot to add that I too like on my season I had literally broken up with Raven and then 30 minutes went by and then Vanessa came and I was like, you know, like my brain literally couldn't move my neck.

She was so stressed that I'm pretty sure I remember Dad asking Vanessa to marry me, but I asked him to do some things over and over again the first time I told Andi I loved her. She was in the ocean and it was a moment where she felt real and it just was. It was a great moment, but you know, we weren't miked and it was fine, I just felt good and I wanted to tell her that she loved her and I knew I got up and I can't. We came back from the ocean and I told him.

The producers were sorry and said, well, but we're going to have to do that again, right? Did you know? And later that night, what people saw me saying Andy I love you for the first time was like something that I just had to redo right, I mean, yeah, the theater, the audience heard that and that happens. I don't think, I don't think we feel too far behind, many layers, as you know, and in normal life that's how it is. It's a human thing, right, you laugh, but if it's a TV show that would look really strange to the audience and therefore you have to capture that, so inappropriate, it would have worked for both of us, it would have been a really funny clip for the blooper reel okay but that's what you're going to do yeah I think maybe now it's appropriate to talk about where you are now obviously you've been seen with Kelly yeah and I think people be curious about that and you.

I know you and Kelly. I have made fun of you out there and on tik toks on social media, perhaps as a result of the cat being out of the bag, so to speak, with paparazzi photos. I assume they know that before asking any questions. Why not? Why don't I let you talk about it? Yeah, I know that for sure, so there's a lot of things that people don't know and honestly, my relationship with Kellis has had a lot of things that have happened. It's just been very fortuitous and you go back to the beginning. I was finding myself before some of this started herniating the sign, getting the sign from, you know, crashing into me, it was crazy, I don't know.

If a lot of people know, obviously the show happened, it didn't work out for us on that show, but then I ended up running, oh shoot, can you hear me? Yes, I can, how I said it. The internet is unstable anyway, so everyone. she knows about that meeting before the show I don't think people know it's after the show this ended the Super Bowl you know I was in Miami I had a chance to go to the Super Bowl there with my brother and I ran into her on Saturday night Before the Super Bowl, were you single at the time?

Yes, I had just broken up with Hannah Ann and yes, we were with Jason, Blake and my brother and we went to some kind of concert club. you go to another club there and we walk in and I look up and see Tyler and I think I didn't know Tyler was in Miami, but I ran into him still and I see Tyler and I wave to him and he starts going down. and I look to the left of him and it's Kelly and my jaw dropped. I thought no way, what are the chances that we will randomly meet on both coasts of the United States? it boils down to a very quick summary, you know, hey, like we can't hear anything.

I just gave him a hug. It was her? Was it Tyler or was it her like he ran into time? She had just met up with Tyler. She was with one of her friends because I guess she lived, you know, she's from Chicago, but she also lives in Florida sometimes part of the year and she was with, I guess, one of her friends, and she had just met Tyler and they had just met. , I guess, when I walked in and it was kind of a crazy coincidence anyway, it was very brief like hey, how are you, I gave him a hug and then we ended up getting out of there, it was pretty late, but it was crazy and then you know the SAT were like me.

I still didn't have his number or anything. She had never gotten her number from the beginning when I met her before the show and one thing I think is important to say is that Kelly would be the first to admit this. Kelly. she wasn't good for the show she didn't feel comfortable she never felt in her element she was almost too smart almost for this show it just always ran out you know, she's trying to be two steps ahead I almost tried to overthink a little bit she'll be first to admit it and I and I agree, I mean, maybe she's not too smart, but maybe in her own head because she overanalyzed the situation, yeah, yeah, I can agree with that, so I feel like you know what it's worth. maybe just our relationship on the show wasn't like that, it didn't really work out and the best way for us and we didn't, it just wasn't going to work on the show if it was never going to work.

To us, if that makes sense, fast forward, this was a couple of weeks ago. I was out with Dylan, Dylan and Devin and I was texting Christian and you know we're good friends and I asked him if he wanted to go out with us. Christian is Demi's ex, yeah, yeah, and she's like, yeah, she's hanging out with us, she's hanging out with us, she's with Kelly, me not knowing this is a time where I'm texting Christian to that they appear in this place where we are. seeing Kelly again is jaw dropping and this is crazy, what are the chances of this happening?

So obviously we chatted, we ended up going, we met other people, we just hung out, we had a fun time, we just hung out and you know, that's when I got her. number and we start communicating and we just keep in touch she's always been supportive so we start communicating she ends up moving back to Chicago and then you know some things happen you know she you know her family and long story short I wasn't working so I thought I'd go out and spend some time with her to take her mind off some things and that's what I did and I flew to Chicago, this is like the right thing to do, everything was like Start hitting with the courtship stuff like If not, that was crazy, like staying home when all those photos came out.

Boy, have you been here long enough? You know I'm here right now in Chicago and it just became It's something that we've always gotten along really well and we've had really good chemistry and we just enjoy each other's company and I decided to quarantine here with Dustin too and he lives in Chicago and part of that logic is Did you know I live at home? Everyone knows that my parents are over 60 years old. I left the job as an essential worker at the airlines so I thought it would be safer not to go home all the time and just stay here and make this kind of my home base it worked out that way too, are we dating?

No, I love spending time with her and you know you're not dating, no, we're dating, yeah, we are, we're not. We are not dating, could you see that in the future I will always be transparent? Yes, of course, I could definitely see what I feel in the future. I would be very lucky and very happy if that happened. Are you saying that because so? I guess you know the obvious question then is why aren't you dating if you can see it while you're reluctant? or just take things easy given everything you've been through or is there something exactly out there it's okay to edit that's all I'm the last one right nowperson who needs to rush into any kind of relationship anything else, you just know I had an engagement that didn't work out.

I was just, you know, trying to pursue things with another woman that didn't work out and that's why right now I'm taking it very, very slowly and just enjoying each other's time and each other's company and, um, you. I know I've been very honest with her and she completely agrees. She tells me that too and I just take it easy. You know I'm not in a hurry. I've learned my lesson and that's the last thing I need. I'm doing right now, but I think the world of it and if I could see something in the future, I might as well.

I mean, okay, so it seems like maybe you guys obviously enjoyed it, like you said you like each other, so it's more about you guys just trying to take things. super slow and less about you guys, you're not sure if maybe you want to try it, but it's just that yeah, I think they just mark if they're more cautious, yeah, and that's that they're more cautious, they just want to take things really slowly. I don't think it'll surprise anyone to know that I feel like I've been on an emotional rollercoaster, but Kelly, yeah, yeah, especially since we started, you know, reconnecting, she's been incredibly supportive, she's always there for me and I think yeah . taking things very slowly and indefinitely, I can definitely see a future there, so I know you mentioned that you didn't like Kelly I would admit that maybe she wasn't good for the show, but I would like to try to address everything.

What people might be asking as they listen to this is at the time you sent Kelly home on the show, what was your thought? Yeah, that was Kelly and I, their relationship was so confusing for me and so hard to like, really navigate. I just felt like I don't know, I just didn't feel like Kelly had met before the show and that we only spent maybe two hours together, but that Kelly was so different from any Kelly I'd ever spent time with. on the show, maybe other than the time I took her flying for the first date, you know, when he went in the first week, it was just some time for us alone, she just wasn't in her comfort zone and you I know that date that was a three to one with her and with Hannah Ann and with Victoria.

I really felt like the relationship was really starting to take off with Hannah and I remember like that letter that she had me read that day, she just touched it. she told me a lot and I really saw potential and you know, Victoria, I know there are a lot of opinions about my relationship with her and why I felt strongly about her, but the fact is that I did it and it was worth it for me. Fighting at the time and with Kelly Otis I didn't feel like I was necessarily having I don't know enough I don't know, I mean, honestly, it's funny because when I saw the pictures you had of Kelly, I was probably like anyone else would be like that, Why did he send her home?

You know it was that red and I'm thinking out loud here and your experience was different than mine because, again, I only really connected romantically with Vanessa. and nothing against the other women, it was just it was a SM, but I also think this is an example, like just thinking about my experience, like I became good friends with Demi after both, she was not in my season , but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised and I don't know this is true because she wasn't on my season. I wouldn't be surprised if Demi was on my season. I would let you know that I am indeed her.

I would have been like that for a while, but I don't think I would have ever considered her as a romantic option and again I never would, but my point is that I love Demi as a friend of hers and I don't think I would have thought that. having been on my season and I only pointed it out because, again, you're not dating Kelly and who knows what's going to happen, but I guess even though it didn't make sense to me when I saw the photos, the Bachelor process is imperfect. situation and is very good for maximizing feelings if you have feelings based on certain types of attraction, but it could be likely and safe to say that it is not conducive to all relationships, especially in terms of how they are formed and the different ways in which they form. people fight. together, so I guess it's very safe, it makes sense that if let's say you and Kelly continue dating and maybe it turns into a dating situation, why maybe it's just the slower burn on singles, by definition, Isn't a slow burn almost impossible yet?

If that happened, it would be for sure fascinating just that story of you guys meeting Kelly well, what does Barb think? What do you think? Five things so far. I really do not know. I mean, it's funny. because I didn't really get it because like I met Kelly, it's funny because I posted this photo and I just didn't think that you guys were hanging out or that anything was going on and then I told the story on my podcast. but I texted Kelly like, hey, let's have this perfect caption, not with Peter, which is like saying nothing other than the fact that you're literally, she's literally not with Peter and I remember she said that I don't like.

This is a harmless title. I wonder what the problem is. It makes a lot of sense from time to time. There are people commenting like "Oh, you're on the pick list" and I didn't really get it, but "barbecue's been out." there, yes, because, like me, no, people are calm, people are interesting, but I guess it sounds like people, but I point it out because it seems that the perception is that Barb is Hatt likes Kelly and she is happy , but. It would be friendship, yeah, my mom, she's more nervous about Chicago, Chicago unites Jesus, I'm from Chicago, yeah, she's from Chicago, so not too far from where Kelly lives, so definitely, yeah, definitely , you know, like Kelly, listen, we'll see. where it's going let me back up here because you absolutely stood up to your mom on AFR like you, you, your mom said her part and you said yours and you know how Madison said hers, yeah, again, once again, I It was like that.

It was great television, it was awkward and there were three people who were like that. This is how I feel. I just want to give you a chance to say it and reiterate it as if you've already talked about why you imagined it didn't work. out, but for the critics, like you guys made your own decision, you and Madison made your decision and yeah, maybe you guys ended up proving your mom right, but your decision was yours and if you did, you decide to stay with Kelly or whatever we can. it's all a joke, but like you're making these own decisions on your own, listen, yeah, I know everyone loves to joke about you, you know my relationship, oh, I'm too close to my parents or all that or I live at home, but for the record, 100% clear.

Maddie and I had our discussions or conversations in private, that was 100% our decision, which really wasn't my mom, you know, finishing that, I promise when it comes to Kelly, you know, my mom is not the one who gives me a hand. random trap. Kelly in three different places around the country and then you know, eventually trying to chase something, so yeah, that's it, so it's cool mom, I promise, okay, I just got that sense, but I just wanted to do it. He would let me if he could do it too. Clears up all this about living at home.

People love to go crazy. It's really not something foreign to me and I'm just going to set it up. Answer it once and for all. There are a couple of reasons why I'm never home. That's because of my job when this pandemic doesn't happen. I love traveling. I'm always visiting friends wherever it's a benefit I can use for the airline so I take advantage of it and even if I didn't do it for work, I'm home maybe half the month so I don't feel like paying rent in between month of being there. I'd probably like to say that I'll try to own a place one day, instead of arguing exactly and then another, it's just not strange coming from a Cuban culture, it's very, very different from American culture, it's just not, none You're both right, they're just different and being very, very close to your family, living with your family for a long time, it's just accepted in that culture and it's just that I guess people don't necessarily know that and that's why it seems strange. and weird and they want to make comments, but it's just not and it's the way I grew up and you know my grandmother, you know her.

She used to live with us before she passed away like the family stays together and that's part of Cuban culture but I like to laugh and stuff like guys it's really no big deal like she lived in my own gift. Don't worry, I've done it, I can do it and I'm going to do it, yeah, I mean listen, I get it, I really appreciate you sharing, it's kind of a beast of a show, we all make fun of things that are different and Yeah. and with that being said, I want to say, I know that I have let you know that I have supported you and Liz.

I just want to point out even to the people listening. I've talked to Peter Peter about my podcasts here now and he's been before I've talked to Peter offline, this guy has never complained to me about the show, about the producers, about anything like and I, and again, no I'm saying that Peters made mistakes and he got criticized for them and he opened up, but it's not like he never complained about it, you never complained and to me that says a lot more about someone and their integrity versus someone who is so quick to take credit when things go well and so quick to blame others when things don't go your way and I thought sometimes I think that gets lost on people who watch the show and haven't been on it, who just don't we have the freedom to say always and stuff like that, but even offline you never complained about me. anyone else and I think that shows that someone who again is not perfect is willing to own up to his own mistakes and in the long run I think you're a better person for it, no, I appreciate that man and that's just you know, it's something like this.

It's been my mindset always, even through all of this, I know it sounds crazy, but I'm still incredibly grateful for the experience and for having this opportunity to know the last year of my life, you know, I really can't complain. And yes, I would have done a lot of things differently in hindsight, but you can't do that and you know moving forward, I feel like I'm a much better and stronger person at the end of this and that has to be said. that and it won't escape me, but those are words so thank you, what's the one thing you've learned about yourself specifically from being The Bachelor, maybe not even the Bachelorette?

Do you think you could work on that? I mean, like I said before, I have a little more edge in me and I've been so real and I like to put my foot down in situations. I have been the first of many. I'm a people pleaser and that's just nice. of who I am and it's uncomfortable for me to come out of it and step back a little bit, but I've definitely seen, you know, and then get a thick skin, oh my gosh, you see, I'm serious. Mick, I know you, you probably treated him badly. All the hate that comes with this and all the online opinions and everything is crazy and it seems like it has no end, so to be this tough is something that I am very, very grateful for.

I started to feel bad and I didn't let that get you down because it's a dangerous coal, but you've done a pretty good job there, but I would agree with you on the rejection. Would you say that the criticisms you have made? Being too indecisive and indecisive is there as a result of you not standing up for yourself. What I'm saying is what's the difference between maybe not standing up for yourself and the criticism you've received for your indecisiveness, you know? I would say one of the most important things that I think for me that I've received is in regards to my relationship with Victoria F and how I handle that situation and not standing up for myself and not putting my foot down and being I guess I'm possibly a little hesitant with that. , but I'll be as honest as with that relationship, which was one of the relationships I was most proud of myself for the way I handled it and Neville agreed and never once.

To any criticism of that relationship, I have said time and time again that grace is something that is not given and is not practiced enough in this world as it should be by people, by everyone and everyone makes mistakes and makes mistakes and the definition of grace is when it is given and not deserved and, like my entire relationship, that instant listen there were a lot of things that didn't get conveyed and no one will see great things about that relationship that I had with Victoria, that was allowing me. possibly continue to humor you over and over again, but that was one of my proudest moments before a relationship and how I handled it because it would have been so much easier to screw you over and I'm done with you and just like storm out and just give up and get it over with. and I didn't do that and I didn't want to give up and before I was 100% sure the relationship was done, I don't know, I guess not, that's off topic, but no, I appreciate you sharing that, but yeah, I mean, too Victoria F is like she's made her mistakes and certainly, but and you know.

I've said that Victoria F was hot and I'm one of my first episodes, so I couldn't defend her without people assuming I'm just trying to sleep with her, but um, yeah, she's certainly imperfect, I don't know her. well, but I know who she is and she is someone whoemotional and certainly she recognized the women and told everything and apologized to you, but like I don't know, I just like the people I know I know. what they are and who they are and that they can apologize and sometimes we release that is lost, you know, we like to see perfect people, at least the ones we meet are perfect and mm-hmm, people have bad rhythms, but you I appreciate you sharing. that about Victoria F and I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure she would appreciate hearing that too.

She has also had a difficult career. No, yes, she has, but you know she is a good person. and people need to see that and they have, yeah, well, before I let you go, any kind of final thoughts and things you want to talk about or get out, oh man, I don't know, I mean, I was just a little bit a little, yeah, well, I haven't talked about anything yet, so thank you for inviting me, you know, being the first person and just giving me the opportunity to put this out. I finally felt comfortable addressing things and I don't know, I guess I'll finish with you, you know, listen, again, I know a lot of mistakes were made and people will have their opinions.

You know, I came into the show wanting to give people that love story, just being me. That's how romantic it was, they could live it vicariously. I didn't care about any of the drama that did nothing for me. I think I probably had the most dramatic show they've ever had after you know, it's all said and done. but who knows, maybe the story is not over yet and the crazy ending that no one, yes, romantic, nice, makes fun of Peter. I do, I remember a question, it's a silly question, but also funny, the critics in our you and you and Kelly get a little ticky. -Tock videos out there, y'all know they love our dance, yeah, yeah, Hannah Hannah, Hannah Brown and Tyler hanging out and they call themselves a quarantine team and somehow people decided that they invented the tick tac and no one could like tic tac, does that bother you? in terms of people, I mean Kelly and Peter are trying to be the quarantine team, or I don't like it, I don't like it, they don't let us do tic OCD because they're doing it the way they do. fucking amazing like we were trying to copy you and be the team or you guys were just there no not at all not at all we were just having a good time and I hadn't gotten on the ticking yet. so I finally decided to give in and I too started ticking thanks to Qurna Peter oh hell yeah I think all of us do so I love to dance.

I know I'm extremely embarrassing but guess what, I'm never going to stop because I love it and we just don't have any good science, oh and you like magic, oh I have a few more tricks up my sleeve. I have one last question. I just want to know what happened when you met Kelly for the first time because it seems like it could have been more than just a hello Rochelle wants to know if not at the beginning at the hotel when you were ian in no i 100% honest to god we met I was dating I had been At my 10th year high school reunion I was with my friends I was ordering an Uber on my phone because we were at like 1:00 a.m. m.

We were going to go to Denny's for a late night drink and we were walking through the lobby and I see this girl commenting in my peripheral vision and she walks up to me and she says I need to talk to you. I was like, what is this about? and she says, you're never going to believe this. I was like, what is this? and it was really funny because my friend still bothers me because my friend was like flirting with her and she saw me and played like that and abandoned him and they left, they came up to me, it seems like it and it's a little funny, but anyway, like that She started talking and told me that she had just spent a weekend as a producer and that she was actually there for one of her best friends' wedding and that she was in Westlake or close to the west, like where I live, and we ended up getting along well. . go back to the bar just have a drink hang out with total vibe they close then we go to the hallway okay yeah go to the hallway she had a couple of friends that were still with her we had a boombox like a portable boombox and we started playing CAI I went down the aisle and just danced and that's when we did that little swing dance that she did the first night with the limo tickets, where I was like, let's pick up where we left off, so we did, it was great.

One time we were doing yoga because one of her friends had a yoga mat and she randomly started doing yoga but she was having so much fun and then they got late we decided we were going to go our separate ways and we walked back to the lobby where she goes . she'll go left towards the elevators and I'll go and I remember saying it's not smart to get a number, don't do it, let's see what happens if fate wants it to happen, you'll see. her again and I gave her a hug good vibes I didn't follow her I think I know too much truth thank God no her phone number yes no kiss the first time I kissed her it was on the steps in front of the door that first night in the mansion , but my friend who I had originally talked to ended up getting his Instagram before I guess he went private and took pictures and said this is right and I got like four pictures that he sent me.

That's her and I said yes but I never liked her, I followed her on Instagram or anything so I shouldn't see her profile is private and then she showed up that first night and the rest is history dad I swear I I promise, why your brother? I think you're so obsessed with line dancing. I mean, I loved how similar the family visit is. He's like you don't line dance, but he'll always work or she does a line dance. I don't know, I wonder whatever it is, I don't know. I love line dancing, I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to try to blow my own trumpet too much, but I couldn't really line dance that well, even your brother, I thought that was the reason you and s and it wouldn't work in your brother's eyes, yeah, I'll post some of those like tick tock and see what people said, but yeah, Madison, when you guys were breaking up, she called the line dancing line, no, she didn't.

Honestly, I don't know why Jack said that, what does that have to do with it, but yeah, I don't know, hey, Jack is the best, Jack, oh, I thought your brother was cool, he was, he's our triplet who we have to get. a photo of the three of us. I'm down when when when I'm allowed to hang in person. It's OK man. Well, I think we've covered it all. I think I appreciate you being so honest again and sharing your point of view. I'm glad you're telling your point of view because your story is not very pleasant.

The truth is that it is your perception of the situation and all this is that people want to know what is happening from your eyes and what it was like. and a lot of people have made a lot of assumptions and questions and it's nice to finally be able to hear that from you and you're not a perfect guy but you're honest and authentic and I think I certainly hope that people know that about you and maybe now isn't the best time. for you to settle down and commit, but you know what we have to go through these experiences.

I'm much older than you. I'm still single, so you know what I know what I'm saying, who knows, yeah, but I appreciate you taking the time, Peter. I know it's not very easy. I know this experience hasn't always been very fun, but you've handled it with grace and I know that grace is a beautiful thing. important to you and I think that shows in how you've handled it and to anyone who criticizes Peter and I know I've been a player, I'm just emphasizing this because I think there are certain attributes that sometimes you get. lost like Peter mentioned, I think sometimes it's important to look at those things and they're not always in our faces and some of the obvious things we like to compliment and I hope that makes sense Peter, thank you very much, I really appreciate it, thank you. guys for listening to us this Tuesday.

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