TWO ROUND 2024 NFL MOCK DRAFT: What Sam would do! | PFF NFL Show

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were the football folus doing last week? They had Brady this week, they got him. We're doing it, we're literally doing it differently than everyone else. In fact, as of right now, I won't be preparing to go into it. Yes, yes, okay, let's go team by team. I

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be very careful. Am I going to catch his? We got legal on this, let's send them on the right note. uh PFF sucks, everyone have a great day. Welcome to the PFF. NFL Podcast Steve pela Sam Monson we're live on YouTube and it's Sam time for your first and last

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Yes 1.0 the end that's it there will be no more there is no 1.1 there is no 2.0 as apparently Mel Kyper is already done with MOX Lo I know You were telling me that that final

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done like a week and a half ago I find it hard to believe until another one comes out next week that Mel will actually mail it two weeks before the

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Come on, now I wonder if he's tired the same way Peter King is. It was like, man, everyone has a Marck draft these days. I'm here, you know, when you get to that stage, you know you're a Meritus, it's like it's more of a figurehead position, right? I'll make a mockery and then I'll leave. I've finished now. I like it. That is the dream that will be us in 30 years. Can we and then, from time to time, open up to you at the sports center and you know, talk a little bit about a player and then?

Let's go out again, talk to me again next week. The Godfather Mel Kyper is living the dream, but you have a two-round mock draft. Let's try to get through this efficiently. Sam, yes, best we can, it's over on pff. com so you can go read it now and trash Sam for all the shots of him yeah you're ready to get into this yeah you want to lay down the ground rules? There's always, oh yeah, I want to hear

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the ground rules are. Here this is perfect because you know that either you have a predictive mock or you go and buy inside information about what you think is going to happen or it's what you

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Is it a bit of both? Know? which gives you effective license to do whatever you want, you're the only one who does that, by the way, I always do, ah, GM Steve, I'm going to do this is what I would do, everyone else, do I have to predict ? I have to read what is happening. I'm going to predict it. You're there like we made a little hybrid. No, you see, the thing is that you like to think that you do it that way and then you say. six pigs deep and you say, well, they would do a little bit of that, you know, you end up breaking your own rules, so I acknowledge the fact that I'm going to break my own rules. immediately squash them and say look, this gives me license to do whatever I want in any election.

I can say that I don't like this player, I'm not going to pick him even though according to the consensus board he is valuable here I think. is the consensus board wrong on this occasion or can I say okay, I may not like this player, but under these circumstances this NFL team would absolutely draft him and just move between each one, as is my desire, the only reason I would This is because I only have about 20 first rounders that I would pick, so at some point I have to make picks that I wouldn't want to make as a GM.

I would be negotiating. I can't just negotiate because who am I? I'm going to trade with I'm the GM of all 32 teams, what this does is allow you to create the maximum amount of content in the minimum amount of picks, it's just just for discussion, yeah, exactly, um, historically, I mean, I started this, I began. I was our lead draft analyst from 2015 or 16 every time this started and I always did the mock draft that they left as GM that they left in the intro, by the way, what is, what, what is the first line, the draft of the

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NFL is out there. the corner and now the keywords are out of the way, it's time to break the cover on the first mock draft of the year, that's well done, thanks, all I was going to do.

I've always done what I would do mock drafts and then my mocks would do. get dragged into all those contests and I would always take last place and have people attacking me on the left oh you're an idiot, you're a draft expert. I'm like, no, this, I'm not trying to predict it, oh this. The drill won't win any contest, except maybe the worst mock contest of all time. I'd bet a small amount of money that this mock features something that doesn't exist in any other mock draft that exists right now, uh oh, what's PFF's top bill.

It's a way to push people towards the content. What are you doing? my stylist pencil yes no my stylist no your stylist no no um what's her face Jenny Katie I was there the other day something E I was there the other two syllables thing with an e at the end no, Katie Katie was the one who gave you the little B , yeah, uh, Liz, it's Liz, Liz, there you go. Liz is my stylist, I just saw her on Thursday, cool, so maybe you can see her, uh, but my stylist. it just fell partly what would be the uh what would be the clue that you just saw your stylist my hair is shorter uhhuh that's it that's it that's it that's the only difference uh just shorter it didn't change tone no it hasn't always been like that he's always like this dark and handsome yeah he's always always been good let's get into the mock draft here uh Caleb Williams Williams is going to be number one for the Bears done no oh no wait wait wait not done happened I want 30 seconds because listen we've That being said, every time we talk about Caleb Williams we say you have 30 seconds on Caleb Williams as a player.

I feel like we haven't broken him down as a player yet this entire draft season, he's been compared to Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers and they're not crazy, it's about how he operates, he's one of the most talented quarterbacks out of the structure , but he also plays well within a structure that he just didn't have to do most of his time, so I think that puts him in the Patrick. Mahomes Aaron Rogers' bucket type last season wasn't his best season. Some of the crazy Moman-type plays he tried to make were punished for it last season, but I suspect for everyone outside of Mahomes that happens, which is why he's still by far the best. quarterback in this draft we will have H, we have a pre-recorded interview with jto suvin where we discuss Caleb Williams in more detail and we don't know when that interview will take place, so get ready, get ready. in the p of the channel here I was thinking of referencing it and I thought: I don't remember when it didn't come out yet, right.

I don't remember when he was supposed to go down or if he already went down or even when we talked about it. now it's all blurry, okay, pretty consistent brand eraser for you and everyone else, and now pick two. The deflection, yeah, Washington Commander selecting Michigan's JJ McCarthy, so is this what you would do or is this the predictive part? Here's where I shop What I heard from the beginning is that the NFL likes JJ McCarthy more than everyone else. Gold, he's going to go two, buying it. JJ McCarthy, two to Jim Harbaugh says he is the best quarterback in the draft.

Why would he lie? Jim Harbaugh says he is the best quarterback in the draft. He doesn't lie well, he wouldn't do it, what does he have to gain by lying? Nothing, he doesn't need to do this anymore for recruiting or anything, you know, um, it's interesting. No, I don't believe it at all. Yes I believe it. ends up being Jaden Daniels, I'll say, although forget it, even if it's okay, so this is where I can modify it and say Here's me buying what the NFL is selling on the other side, although what I would do if I didn't have if I'm in the pick two, three or whatever beyond that and I need a quarterback, I hate my position because I think this quarterback draft has one depth quarterback and then there's a big gap and then all the other guys and all the other guys have some kind of I think it's a pretty significant concern, so I'd hate to pick two, three, four, 11, wherever the next teams are that the quarterbacks end up picking.

I would hate that spot, so yeah, most people will have Jaden Daniels or whoever I wouldn't fight. particularly tough against anyone whose second quarterback is pretty much anyone in this class to be honest. I think this class has several starters, though that's the interesting part. I always talk about the standard of quarterback play. I wouldn't be surprised if we have six or seven starters, you know, guys who at least start for a couple of years again. We just saw Zack Wilson and some other guys being, you know, thrown out. Kenny picket being scrapped, but if there were six or seven quarterbacks that had a chance to start for a couple of seasons, it wouldn't surprise me, so I'd say this quarterback class has seven guys in terms of quarterbacks that they have starting ability, starting tools start like there's a tool set somewhere that's equivalent to NFL starter, um, but I think after one, all of the next guys are varying degrees of scary and yeah, depending on the possibilities or playing the odds, some of them are going to work out well, but I would hate to be dra dra on a quarterback outside of Caleb Williams. in this draft, so you're bold in this one, you're aggressive in this mock draft.

JJ McCartha two for the Washington command, you just started the aggression that puts the Patriots on the clock, yes, at the number three pick. So what did he do? you do it here for the Patriots, this is already done, it's over on pff.com, you can follow us well, as it is, uh, like Tes with the previous statement. I don't like or love any of the quarterbacks after Caleb Williams. them is a better way to describe I'm afraid of them, so if I'm the Patriots, I'm buying into this idea, okay, we have a unique opportunity here to trade massive capital into massive future, uh, future players. and just trade away the quarterback.

The market comes back later and gets one, so Minnesota has been a team that everyone talks about trading up until this point, maybe the number four pick, the number five pick, however, I think the Denver Broncos are the trade or most desperate quarterback team in this draft. I don't think they can send Russell Wilson packing and eat the biggest cap hit in NFL history. It all depends on Shawn Payton's reputation and whether they feel good. 12 or whatever they pick and go, no, we're just going to grab B Knicks, they're going to get aggressive, they're going to go now, okay, they're going to have to be creative because they don't have the kind of trade capital that the Vikings have, but I think that Denver is going to get aggressive and in this particular draft they change the house and go up for Jaden Daniels at number three.

We've said this a lot, the Broncos are the greatest. wild cards in the draft, it reminds me a little bit that we just had, you know, we were talking about the Bears and the Justin Fields saga a couple of years ago when they traded and remember that in the off-season, the Bears had all the quarterback movement and then the Bears got Andy Dalton and they were drafting 19 and it was okay, every other team in the league is either doing this power play for the quarterback or they're in a position to draft one and the Bears are like, oh, let's go. roll. with Andy Dalton, that's all we have and then they went into the draft and traded up to get Justin Fields.

The Broncos feel similar. They're going to sit here with the biggest dead cap in history, with Russell Wilson and no second round. they pick and sit at pick 13 or 12 and have five teams ahead of them that could draft quarterbacks, so the Broncos are probably the most awkward spot when it comes to quarterback situations in the NFL, no offense Jarrett didum, right? So if they don't make an aggressive move, which again could be a challenge unless you start sacrificing future first rounders. If they don't make that aggressive move, it will be a challenge to compete this year.

I think, for Denver, by the way. disclosure of the actual trades within the article that I didn't do, they were included after the fact. It will cost you more than what is in the article. I think making this trade happen, which gets complicated because Denver doesn't have that much. more than what is in the article to make this happen, like this year, they have a first round pick, number 12 overall, they have a third round pick, number 76, one fourth, two, 3 fifths, 2 sixes and then they have next year's draft. things too, uh, so they're going to have to be creative and speaking of creativity, when I made the first moment.

I couldn't remember what I actually changed to make this happen. I'm going to remember one item that I did remember about 30 seconds ago, Marvin. Mims was part of that trade that Marvin Mims gave to New England Marvin Mims was part of this trade, that's good, good for good, because the Patriots can have a big season playmaker anyway, the point is that the Broncos need him too, although the Broncos are going to trade the farm to go up to number three and select Jaden Daniels, okay that puts the Arizona Cardinals on the clock, yes, at numberFour, you've always been a Marvin Harrison Jr guy, that's where you're going right with three quarterbacks off the board.

I don't think the next teams, at quarterback, are going to make that trade up to number four to get him, so I think Marvin Harrison Jr will be the pick for Arizona, who will end up stuck, I guess, at that spot and having to select your guy so far, draft of the month is exciting and even unexpected, yes, and it's 24, bringing exciting or unexpected changes to your life. Well, here's a secret weapon to help you face those challenges with more confidence. It's a great term life insurance policy, that's right. Gerber Life fabric makes it simple to protect your family's finances.future so you can focus on what's ahead know when your family is protected and if something unexpected happens fabric was designed by parents for parents to help you get a policy of surprisingly affordable, high-quality term life insurance in less than 10 minutes and fabric has flexible policies to fit your family around your budget, like $1 million in coverage for less than a dollar a day, get your personalized quote at just minutes and then request it when it's convenient for you.

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Let's get out of line here is buy Jim Harbor's comments at the owners meeting uh yeah well his comments plus just the general nature of Jim Harbaugh as a human Jim wants the big uglies up front Jim wants offensive lineman Jim wants players tough football guys he doesn't want any wide receivers, so three picks ago you called Jim Harbaugh a liar, no I didn't, in fact I specifically said the exact opposite, I said why exactly would I lie in a mocking tone, no, that's a inference that you have created. Out of nowhere, I specifically said why, what does he have to gain?

Well, what do you have to gain by lying about where you like to invest? Talent, right, the implication is that he's not lying, so he's not lying, so he's not lying about JJ McCarthy being the best. quarterback in the draft and he doesn't lie about the charges and just the need for offensive linemen in his life, so he's going to be Joe alt at five here in a literal reading of the words I've used with Jim Har in this podcast, you could just come. to the conclusion that I believe every word that comes out of his mouth and appears in your mock draft exactly the fact that he's giving up on poor, poor Quinn, trying to keep up with your crazy, crazy, yeah, the exchanges and everything you know. he's trying to keep up on the mock draft sim and you know, I appreciate you knowing that doing it live, the mock draft sim does a great job of informing your trade when you're making a team. reports it when there are multiple teams, it hides it somewhere because I didn't track that when I saved all the images and stuff for this, I realized I noticed it the other day, um, but I think it's not crazy, I think say. that the Chargers, even though they don't really have a lot of room for wide receivers right now, they want to establish that offensive line and run the ball and as the first tackle off the board, I don't think it's crazy here, the other I.

I mean, I think what a lot of Chargers fans want is not this. I think other than the Titans, it feels like the Chargers at five and the Giants at six, their fan bases don't want Jo Walt, no offense to Joe. Wow, I just want um flashy playmakers, which I understand. I'm a flashy playmaker type of guy, so I get it, um, but I think if the Chargers, I think Chargers fans at five, if they're not going to take a wide receiver, they'd rather change the take. one of the big right tackles, whether it's Fuaga or JC Leam, take one of those big blockers because they're already right, they've already ran Slater on the left side, you get a guy at right tackle later and you stack up picks because, uh, them.

We're looking at that roster and they have some needs there so I think that's probably what Chargers fans want and I think that's fair so your debate as we always talked to Cardinals Blue Chip tackle Joe Walt , the Blue Chip catcher, Malik's neighbors or trading up to take an extra starter and some extra picks and I also think you know there are several teams that are going to weigh whether we're going to be a wide receiver in the first round or a different position , he's such a strong Class I wide receiver. I'm sure at least one team is going to listen to the other position because they can come back for a wide receiver later and still get a really good player.

Giants at six Giants at six uh, they grabbed the wide receiver, the Giants I think are the big wild card actually in this draft, I'm not sure anyone has defined what they want to do. Are they out of the quarterback market? Are they a real threat to take over the fourth quarterback? Are they a threat to trade? in fact, instead of Minnesota Denver, they are a team that could go three or two and well, probably not too much because of Washington, but are they a threat to trade for the third quarterback off the board or do they do what you follow trying? do for them and grab an offensive tackle, you know, instead of a wide, ultimately I think Malaga's neighbors make more sense here, yeah, I think so, the Giants are definitely a pivot point in this draft because They are one of the few.

The teams that have a decision between them have a starting quarterback in Daniel Jones, theoretically yes, they're not, I mean, he's a starter, he's a caliber starting quarterback, but do you want to stick with him for a year? more or are you prepared for the future? For the future, I think the interesting thing about JJ McCarthy or Drake May is that JJ is obviously off the board here, but two of the guys that could be available there, you know, with all the flaws that Drake May has, he's the place perfect for a year behind Daniel. The Jones guy just works on his footwork, he just sorts some things out.

I feel like they've been connected to everyone, like a lot of teams, but I wonder if Drake May would be the guy they'd go for. Yeah, we'll definitely pick him at six, but if you know if it's the other guys, now we'll go build the rest of our team, but anyway, Malik's neighbors haven't had an elite playmaker on the outside since quite a while. obj right, I think that comes to mind, I mean, they've looked, say what they want about the Daniel Jones era, not too many seasons where they point and say yeah, he had a good enough offensive line and he had a good enough offensive line. cast of characters to throw to so this should at least improve that yeah uh Titans up at seven uh obviously they want joal joal on the board they basically just go with the next offensive lineman on their board, which in this situation is my board and is therefore, Tois fuaga now, are you going to keep uh faga at right tackle?

You probably don't know that both tackles need, so yeah, what difference does it make? Could you, as GM of the Titans, move Peter Scony and give him a chance to play left tackle. I'll experiment with it in training camp and see if there's anything obvious, you know, if it looks great there right away, sure if not, I'll just keep it where it is and see how it goes, yeah, the Titans need both tackles, so I think it's okay, they just need an upgrade on the offensive line, but you know they've been working on it, it's still a work in progress, it still needs help, it still needs, you know. both tackles, if I can fix one of them, I'm a step in the right direction at eight with the Falcons, most people have Dallas Turner here, yeah, and I may have cracked the code the other day about why what will Dallas Turner be, oh you.

I think it's about uh, you think it's about getting into coverage, yeah, I mean no one, Michael's height role, Michael, we need a Michael hoit um, so maybe they should get Johnny Newton, yeah, Johnny Newton or Darius Robinson was who I joked about, I mean, I was. Yesterday I was checking out Edge's class again, re-watching Dallas Turner and I'm and I was actually watching Chris Brazwell and I'm watching Brazwell and they had you know him and Turner both playing outside backers in the BMA. Scheme and I'm watching Turner go down like I'm watching Brazwell rush the passer and watching Turner go down a ton and then I started thinking about who left Edge's rushers in coverage more than the Rams last year looked for him.

Nobody, by far, was Michael Hoy. was Byron Young, that was Raheem Morris, he's in Atlanta now, if he's going to execute that same plan, you know, it's not like the real old school 34 because everyone works in nickel, but you want to have two outside sponsors that have that plan. versatility to drop into coverage, none of the top edges dropped into coverage as often as Dallas Turner because that's how Bama ran it and between Dallas Turner and Jared verse chop Robinson, whoever you want to put in there, Dallas Turner is probably the It's easier to get into coverage, although Latu had a 92 coverage grade because he had a pretty good pick there, only like 70 coverage snaps, so, I don't know if I moved the betting markets or what with that data point, but that.

I felt like maybe that was a big reason why Atlanta might go to Dallas Turner. Now you didn't do that, no, Jared verse, yeah, like Dallas Turner is the upper edge of consensus on most forums. It's also like Chalki's pick is Dallas Turner for the Falcons. At number eight overall, I think Latu is the best Edge runner of the trio. um. I'm also starting to accept this idea that the neck medical thing at least scares enough teams. At first I thought it was just a binary thing, either you're going to discharge him or not, and then if you have it, you don't care, it's basically not relevant, you're starting to worry, well, now.

At least I am now that it's been brought up that it might actually be something chronic, like a long-term thing, something like Marcus Mcneel, where you say the first contract probably won't affect anything, but you might not get more than five years. him at a high level before that neck injury starts to become a problem, in that case that will influence the teams, there will be teams that, although in theory, that is a success, if you get a rookie contract from a guy at a really high level. level and then he's not a thing, it's basically like recruiting a guy who leaves in free agency.

I mean, you hit the nail on the head with that pick, it's just that now someone else will get the benefit of a second and third contract, but teams don't like it. Thinking like that, teams see that as a loss, right? You're just going to get that deal, whereas if I take a different guy, I could get 15 years of really good play out of him, but you probably won't, so I think the thing about neck. might scare enough latu teams to go down, but for me, Jared verse is the best compromise as he is a more productive edge rusher than Dallas Turner and has no neck concerns, so he should be the better player of the board.

Under those circumstances, yeah, I was theorizing the other day that the verse gets more love like Edge One. I think someone theorized maybe the change in direction. I think that was what, uh, I forgot what the actual cone and shuttle were, but they were kinda. a little bit lower than you'd like, um, but I think he exploited his power, uh, there's still a small sample size for Jared verse, he didn't play a ton of snaps over the last two years at Florida State, he didn't put it together that 800 snap season or something like that, but he's still very good and um yeah, I think he should be very much in that conversation with Dallas Turner, we'll see if the scheme fit really matters there at pick eight for Atlanta, yeah, now. you're going crazy again I don't see this being CRA sorry Mike no I'm just saying things are happening I'm just saying things are happening which is great this is what we want on draft night so obviously yes I have been paying attention to qb2 on many people's forums.

Drake May is starting to slide, which if you listen to other people isn't crazy, you know Chris Sims doesn't like him and a lot of other quarterback gurus don't like him. I'm scared of everything, so I think Drake May starting to slide in the first round isn't crazy. There was also a report earlier that Vikings love Drake May and he is thetype they would love to hook up now, I don't know. that they want to change and make that happen in a big way up to three or whatever, but if Drake May started to slide, I don't think they can, I don't think they can sit there at 11: and be confident. that they're not going to get attacked by the Raiders, for example, so they're going to jump two spots just to make this happen, just to lock the guy in, so Minnesota trades to Chicago.

Who sees this as a good enough deal to know how to let their division opponent get their quarterback? quote unquote uh and the Bears go down two spots the Vikings jump up two they get Drake May to do it we think about this all the time Would teams let their division rival get their quarterback? I mean, it depends on your interpretation of the quarterback, right? If you think the bears are like oh no Drake May the footwork is terrible let's let the vik if the Bears think they're giving the Vikings Joe Montana they're not going to get the They're not going to get the right deal, but Chicago doesn't love Drake.

May, yes, why wouldn't they? I mean, I always have doubts about the division thing, but in the back of my head we know two. Years ago, Minnesota traded T.J Hawkinson, that was a division, there were two of them with the Lions, right, they traded to the Vikings, they traded Pick 12, yes, I'm serious, to the Lions. The Lions traded up to get Jameson Williams. TJ Hawson entered the division a long time ago, the Patriots. He traded Drew Bledo to the tickets the Eagles traded Donovan McNab to. In Washington for a couple of years, these things have happened historically, it's just fascinating when you go back and think about the dominoes that have to fall and what is going to happen with the future, obviously, both parties must see it as a victory.

Now in this situation, Chic from Chicago's point of view, Romad Dun is on the board, uh, they're only losing two spots, they're gaining, you know, another third round pick to do it and they're probably still going to get the same guy . So from their perspective, the only downside is that we're allowing the Vikings to draft a quarterback that a bunch of quarterback-needy teams have currently decided isn't that good, so I think Chicago would do it. Here's a question for you of all. QB needy teams, the six or seven that are like we need a starter, yeah, the Vikings are the best situation of them all, oo uh, so they're better than the New England situation, better than the Washington Raiders, probably , who else?

Denver Denver is a nice good situation Denver has few receivers now for sure and the offensive line is good and they have Shawn pton, they have Shawn pton, good coach to be with the bears, who else are we missing? The bears are a good situation now, I mean, a really good situation now. Yes, they have a reasonable offensive line and a really good set of receivers that could improve with the ninth pick or the 11th pick in this situation and then maybe the Giants, if we say they are not. great situation, yeah, it's certainly between them, I mean, maybe you could split hairs, it feels like the Vikings and the Bears are up there, although it's true, if you told me, hey, Drake May is going to Minnesota with Justin Jefferson Jordan Addison TJ Hackinson. and a solid offensive line and a quarterback Kev, a quarterback who can at least theoretically hold up the four for a month or two, you know what I mean, like if he didn't have to start the first week, he'd probably like you want him there as soon as he can, but yeah, you know, with Kevin Oconnell supporting Sam Darnold, there's a chance that Darnell could last a couple of months, you know, K, KOC and I trained Sam Darnold in Elite 11, you, you and Kev, uh, yeah, we were in the uh.

Elite 11 I guess he was on the coaching staff. I was there. I was there doing PFF grades on the Elite 11 in Portland. We need to put together a resume for you that includes, as you know, five keynote speakers at the cool clinic. Coach at Leake 11. Whatever. We like all of their stuff there and we like to write it the same way people write their resumes where you actually know what I should do. Yeah, uh, Division, Division 2, preseason, all-American in 2003, there you go, preseason of Fame, three-time Hall of Famer. If a three-time Hall of Famer, this is going to be my Italian American Hall of Fame resume, really yeah, that's what it really needs to be and then we established who I was going to get, like you had a cheerleader on Twitter who looked like very Italian, we could get it.

Here's your case, it seemed very Italian, huh, she did it. I had a cheerleader on Twitter who looked very Italian. She really she did it. I love knowing what that means. I love knowing what it means. So, Drake May at nine for Minnesota, the Bears. so the Bears are going to trade 9 to 11 and wow the way this leads this the way this Falls is awesome for the Bears unless Drake May is awesome but uh you're going to go from Brock Bowers at 10 to the Jets like everyone else. otherwise mail that pick in, yes I'm serious, it's one of the most popular picks, I think for good reason, the Jets are picking for immediate impact, you know, they're more than any other team in the NFL this year, yeah, They're all set for this year, like they have one more year of Aaron Rogers guaranteed, who knows how much I mean, you know, who knows how much more they'll get, maybe if they do well they'll re-sign him or whatever, but they'll get one more. year of Aaron Rogers, so you can't, there's no point drafting for next year like they're drafting him for this year and the biggest impact player they can get this year, I think it's Brock Bers, a discussion about Brock Bowers who doesn't it worked. on his individual Workout Pro day, whatever that may be, so we don't have any testing numbers for Brock Bowers that generated some discussion in the Twitter sphere.

Our friend Josh Norris, you know he's been following the draft forever and especially now on Underdog. fantasy talking about Y skill position players and he was pointing out that you know, hey, tight end athleticism is huge and my research backs that up. I think of all positions, I think the most important position is to have testing numbers that really project to the NF. uh measurables that project to the NFL, it's the tight end, yeah, so having testing numbers is the most important data point of all the positions, right tight end, yeah, well said by Steve, that didn't have any sense, but yes, but we don't. having Brock Bowers testing numbers, that doesn't mean that all of a sudden we can't project Brock Bowers and yes, we have in-game athleticism, we have our gas score where it's in the 99th percentile plus, yes, several years of 99, right, yes it is.

It's like all three are 9 and they're not just 99, they're 99.5. I think he might have been the shortest of the three on our gas. You know, it's all, it's all based on the athleticism of the game and again we'll take that. that best number because it's kind of opportunity driven is, uh, what can't you do, what can't you do and if you know, we'll take your best number and say, Here's your career score, but it's also good when you go back and you look at it at the season level because it's rolled up at the season level and you say well 999999 that's impressive three years 99.5 uh 99.8 99.9 yeah, so you also, I don't know, you watch football.

Brock Bowers looks very athletic, so I think two things. They are true tight ends it is the most important position to have measurable data and take that data and really analyze it and to me it could surpass the production of all the positions it could surpass the production when you are looking to project tight ends for the NFL makes a guy like Kansas State's Ben Sonat is perhaps a little more intriguing than he would have been. However, if you don't have the testing data that we didn't have on Dalton Cancade last year, that doesn't mean you can't look at the guy and say this guy is going to be good, especially high-end first-round tight ends. .

Um, another note here. The Lions' Sam Leaport is also in the 99th percentile, yes, last year in his final season, so I'm not worried. on Brock Bowers on his athleticism, although I'm a big fan of looking at athleticism for tight ends because I think it helps with projections and that's another fascinating referendum now, there are some of these players that are now saying H, I'm not going to go. to calculate you have everything you need it's already available the tracking data is there you have all the information you need I don't need to run a three cone for you we're seeing more and more of that like these Guys I mean Marvin Harrison Jr basically no he did nothing right and in his case now we're like, oh Malik's neighbors, Malik's neighbors didn't execute the agility stuff either, like he just did the explosive stuff, he did the 40, he did his jumps. and then he said, I'm out, I don't need your three cones, I don't need your short shuttle and Brock's bow is like it doesn't do any of that, the tape is there, I don't want to go all the way down. rabbit hole, but I think the athleticism of the game, the gas scoring and everything we have is very good, but I think like combining metrics, you're certainly not going to do it.

I don't know how high you really want to weigh that. the conversation for the tight end, like I said, there's a pretty good story there, but for receivers, you know there are some, like lower limits, that you don't want to be below, no, you don't want to be running 465, no. I don't want to be too slow, I don't want to have horrible numbers, but it's not like higher is always better and I think as we have more data even in the game, I don't think it's ever going to replace production at most positions. It's just going to be a compliment, we know that historically the best athletes aren't necessarily the best players, but the best players usually come from a group of the best athletes, if that all makes sense, it will be interesting how we use all athletics data in the future.

Let's not overvalue them, like I always say, just because you can measure them doesn't mean you know they're extremely valuable and most importantly, so you have to be careful with everything, yeah, I just think it's interesting. You're getting what appears to be a trend of players, essentially players effectively saying you don't need this information. You already have it in the tracking data, etc., so don't do it and it won't cost them like if players haven't done it in the past. but generally it was seen as something negative and bad and they are trying to hide these things, whereas now it seems like they are saying: "No, you don't need this, you already have all the tracking data information says it is available, so that why would I run for you?

That has the Bears, so the Bears are now at 11 and they're getting Roma Dun at 11. This could be a big win for the Bears getting an extra pick and still getting a Dunes a. the 11, yeah, absolutely, I mean, obviously they get Caleb Williams, they already have a really good receiving wire that they've added to in free agency and trades, etc., but Kean Allen is not a long-term solution for. them, you know it's more of a short-term option, what does he have now? 32. So DJ Moore and Keenan Allen for the short to medium term, the tight ends they have and now you add Roman Dun, who can you be? ?I know a legitimate long-term number one option for them and he doesn't need to be that number one option.

I mean, that's a surprising result for them and they picked up an extra draft pick along the way, they only have four draft picks now. five, there you have a big win for the Bears and I would say a big win for the Vikings. I think it's a win-win situation. I like those movements. Vikings get Drake. Let the Bears get Romad Dun. Two picks later, now New England fans might not. like the entire Hall here, or maybe the entire process when you see the hall, although the players may be a little more excited here, but the process here for New England they have changed it to 12 and now they are choosing 12. and they are also choosing, don't they have another first round?

Yes, but you can't tell what number it is because something changes. Oh, something else happened, yeah, yeah, this is another trade, don't worry about it, number 12, oh yeah, the Patriots. just a 12 uh, the one they pick is my guy Olo fashu, the best pass protector in the draft and an elite caliber offensive tackle. Prospect comes in and fixes that offensive line. I love fashion. Yes, I'm a fan of Fash too. I think he is. We agreed on the best pass blocking potential in the entire draft, so now you have a left tackle in New England, remember they picked 12 and in this you had them take next year's first round pick for the Broncos, in our 7th round . mock draft that we did as an analyst as analysts that I picked for New England and I did something similar where I traded up with Denver and picked next year's first round again.

Patriots fans may not like what I did there, but I was taking that number three.overall pick and I think you're also doing this here saying let's keep the Capital draft, we don't have to just draft this quarterback even though we need a multi-year rebuild, let's keep it if we have this power position in the draft for several years here if that's the deal they're doing right Denver um they're going to get a lot of that pick now they're going to have to get creative because Denver doesn't have a second round pick this year. um, but you can, you can give them a good ha, I mean, they might let you know that they could get three consecutive first round picks from them, well, they could get the first and a third this year, first and a second next year, maybe a little more.

On top of that, they could get a lot out of Denver to make that trade happen. I like it. I've come to the conclusion that New England should be considering a trade. Market again. We had a really good conversation in my mock draft last week come back and listen to it it's you and me like uh you like Robert Craft me like Gerard Mayo and Elliot Wolf in the front office debating, you know, are we thinking long term, short term, whatever it is, so we had that conversation last week go watch my drill from last week, it all depends on your analysis, your classification, your visualization of this type of quarterback, like do you think that the two types that are good are the two that are good.

If you think there are five guys this year, then you're going to want to stick with that pick and take number three because you think number three is still really good, so you know without being in that room and knowing how the Patriots view these quarterbacks. , it's hard to know what they would like to do, like anyone sitting there saying oh, there's no way they're going to do X or Y without knowing what they think of that class, which we don't know now. true, regardless of what comes out in terms of reporting, no one has any idea what the consensus is within that building.

Without knowing that information, you literally can't know if they want to stay with that selection or switch and you probably can't. Know that until the first two guys are off the board at that point, okay, then the Raiders are up on the clock at pick 13. Did you consider another quarterback here for the Raiders? I considered, uh, but again, I didn't love these quarterbacks, so when you take the fourth player, the fifth player off the board, I'm not forcing it here, so we just take the best player available, which in this situation the Raiders are going for a number . in different directions, but at some point they're taking the second defender at this spot off the board, uh, with Jared Verse, the only other one, they're taking the top corner, in my opinion, Teran Arnold, so we haven't done the quarterback of field. rankings, but you would have Arnold as CB1 here, yes it's going to change depending on what your scheme is, you'll want to run a degree of mental coverage for an Arnold.

I think his only mental coverage skills are movement. The skills that he displays are absurd, greasy hips, someone would even say greasy hips, some have said that Chris, the Chris Sim

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on Thursday, did very well. I think people really liked the crossover, but yeah, Chris, who didn't like Teron. Arnold said he described it as someone who has greasy hips, yeah look I love it, I love having guys like Chris Sims because there's no point in talking to people who agree with you and having someone regurgitate your own words in an order. different or Regardless of what someone makes from that right, the nice thing about having someone like Chris Sims is that Chris has a lot of takes that we think are crazy or, you know, just say the opposite, well, not because the point It's just that you don't agree. with some of his takes, but listening to his explanation, you know, stepping back a little bit and trying to find a middle ground or at least understand why the differences exist, so that's where the interest is in the conversation, like it didn't make sense. just talking to other people in an echo chamber find the people who disagree with you listen to why and see I mean you can still come to the conclusion in the end I still think you're wrong but at least now I understand you've done it done for a reason and it's not just you know whatever so I'm glad we're having those kinds of conversations so the Raiders take Terry and Arnold at pick 13 before you start criticizing that too again.

Do you think he's the best man coverage cornerback? Is he the best man coverage cornerback of the last two years? How much do you really like Tyon Arnold? So I don't know if he's a better guy covering cornerback than other guys, but I think his movement skills are better than anyone else I can remember since his natural ability to switch to mirror players is absurd now, is that makes him a better corner man than Joey Porter Jr?, maybe not, but it means that skill set doesn't exist every year, yeah, I was really impressed watching Arnold's film, especially when he had to match and remember even though the numbers in the NFL say that there is more zone coverage when you play quarters, which is technically a Zone when you are playing, you know three games that could fall into the Zone group when presented as a data point, it doesn't mean you'll never be one-on-one, right, we're talking, there's a difference between playing and covering straight up. one that is masculine and plays zone coverages that have game principles where you play one-on-one, so you always have to have one-on-one skills as a cornerback.

There is a lot of human coverage within the zone concepts, which gets confusing. um you also know it's the right choice because Walt hates him so it's a win for everyone yeah I mean you mentioned them not me no I know a lot I think a lot of other Raiders fans love him too Quinan Mitchell there, which is fine, quinan, for sure. You know, I think for Five Corners without power in the last two years it's Quinan Mitchell and S Gardner Y and no one else, so it's good company to be in uh Saints at 14 Troy fanu, there you go, it's true, it's certainly close fanu, yes, fanu. right, good job, yeah, the New Orleans Saints offensive line, I think it's a mess right now, and with Ryan Ramek now, he won't quit?

It's even sharper, Fanu, he has positional flexibility, I think. he's a tackle, but if you need to play MC guard, adding someone with the flexibility to only fit in one spot along this offensive line is a win, the Saints need to make it happen, so ready, yeah, we keep giving, We continue to tackle the Saints. which I think is the right play here given the D given they're picking at 14. Tackle depth at Ryan Ram's. I just wanted to say that if you're Mickey Lumis, you're the Saints as a team. Builder, if I were GM, those are tough curves, man, because they have other needs, we know the Saints have been depleted, you know, a lot of talent has left New Orleans in the last two years and even though they keep pushing. credit card and do all those fun things that they have, they have holes to fill.

I'd love for you to know that they drafted two defensive linemen with their first two picks last year. I would love to see more depth on the defensive line. I think there is depth in the corners. needed there, I think they have needs in a lot of different places, but I think his hand is a little bit forced here and they have to attack in the first round, yeah, I think it's a natural fit, I think the fact that he has extra flexibility , you know you can play him inside a guard or you could potentially move him just helps so I think this is a pretty easy pick actually pick 15 you got the Indianapolis CT taking Cooper deine from the Iowa Elite athlete, athlete Steve Elite. very big on uh this is where you're being predictive very high on the r yeah this is where I said look I wouldn't take Cooper Deene here but the Colts um part of the discussion about Deene is interesting our friend.

Arif Assan wrote about this briefly about ra and how there is so Dee didn't make any change of direction correctly so the RAS score will be very high because that is not taken into account and I understand it, do you too? Mathematically put, you could put placeholders in there and just assume they're average or something and then the score goes down because realistically that's probably the reason it didn't do well and when you watch a movie for a guy who's like that a smooth athlete in a straight line, Chris Sims, maybe Greg Coel. I've heard several people question Cooper's lateral move, yeah, it's interesting, because you know, number one, the things that he did were extremely impressive, number two, you know?

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ing off their basketball highlights and things that are a lot of lateral changes of direction from side to side and he looks very explosive and explosive, like he has a lot of good athletic traits, but the other thing is that, um, As the. He was just cleared a couple of weeks ago, so I think it's at least as plausible to say that the last thing he'll come back with will be an elite-level change of management ability rather than having a general problem with the change of leadership. address. Management ability, so I don't want to expose that, yeah, you know, I think it's at least as plausible to say that he's just not ready to spend the time that that would justify what he should be on those exercises and therefore those are the ones he didn't do compared to his baseline in those drills is something he wants to hide from draft teams, so I don't know if you essentially think he's trying to hide a number. that's not great or if you think he's just not ready to put in his baseline time given he just came back from that injury, but if you assume the athleticism is there, he belongs in this kind of spot in the first round, particularly with a team with a need throughout their secondary, in theory, that covets Elite level athletes and I think versatility again could be kind of a tiebreaker between him and a guy like Quinan Mitchell, who is also pretty high in the R and all that kind of stuff, the fact that they can draft him and then figure out where he fits in their secondary, yeah, I could see Quinon Mitchell or Brian Thomas Jr as two guys the Colts are targeting here at pick 15, right?

TRUE? I'm going to jeene, yeah, on this one, in part because my feelings about Brian Thas Jr are well known, understood Seattle Seahawks at pick 16 jpj Jackson po Johnson, another one of those pretty easy drawbacks, you know, pretty popular, common, that It's what I was looking for. uh, picks, the Seahawks have a disastrous need on the interior of that offensive line. Jackson Paris Johnson is an elite-level center prospect who could also play guard if they want to start him there and move him to center later, which you know some teams do like that. general point of course, they don't want their centers to be overloaded with information as rookies so you know, get your feet wet playing guard and then next year you move to center and call everything, um, so yeah , it's a It makes a lot of sense, I think, uh, the Seahawks, uh, John Schneider said they don't like recruiting guards.

Something to that effect, uh, so I wonder, I wonder if we will, if we will, if a lot of mock copywriters are getting situated. that need and it's not going to be like that, I mean, maybe, but you've also left yourself in a situation where you might like to do that, but you don't have many options anymore given the way your offensive line looks, no, I understand. So Seattle remember they were one of the most fascinating teams for years remember the latter part of the last decade they kept recruiting athletes there were people in the Seahawks blogosphere who were deconstructing their athleticism metrics and Spark scores and all that and being able to predict their picks and then they went through this lull where they didn't pick well in the first round and surprised a lot of people with LJ Collier in 2019 Jordan Brooks in 2020, but then they came back and it's been a little more predictive in recent years Charles Cross in 2022 first round offensive tackle at nine Devon Witherspoon last year at five Jackson Smith and jiga last year at 20 as kind of reasonable picks that don't exist for the SE for the Seahawks versus what maybe they were doing for the previous 10 years, yes, and let's also remember that it's GM/head coach lion season, if they wanted to draft an interior offensive lineman that high, why would they say that out loud to people in front of the microphones instead of No, we would never draft a guy that high, it's crazy, it's true, it's true, so Li, you know you can draft what appears to be an elite level center prospect who can also have the power and strength to play guard.

It's a win-win situation. for them we'll grab the guy maybe we'll put him in center right away maybe we'll put him in guard right away either way there's alminus two players on this interior of the offensive line that shouldn't be starting week one, let's fix one of them Here okay, we have a trio of defensive line picks coming here Johnny Newton going to the Jags at 17, yeah , then Byron Murphy, the second one, going to the Bengals at 18 and then latu latu going to the Rams at 19, yeah, bummer, ah, well, uh Jags. I think there are a couple of areas they could go, obviously, they locked Josh Allen in on the cap.

You have to assume they are still shopping the number one overall pick from a couple of years ago on the other side and what he Honestly, is a coin toss between Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy. Secondly, they end up going with Johnny Newton, uh, because they saw the same tape that I knew with him falling. in coverage in high school, so they're going to grab him, he's an elite level three technical guy, interior, a quick, penetrating defensive tackle, and you know, unlike a lot of college defensive tackle prospects, because they all play these strange defensive fronts, you know. those three stacks of three fives and all that kind of stuff Johnny Newton actually played three tech for most of his time, he actually played the specific thing that the NFL will want him to do for most of his college career and he's been productive doing it, so Think when you have doubts or when you need a tiebreaker.

Taking a guy who's already done what you're going to ask him to do is probably a good thing versus Byron Murphy, who had to do it, he played a lot of nose tackle, you know? he played over center, which, to be fair, I think is also a strength for him because he did well there, like he's strong enough to think of him as this prototypical undersized three-Tech pass rusher, kind of of 300. I think so, but us and that. He's undiz relative to 310-pound guys, but despite being quote-unquote undersized, they had him playing nose tackle most of the time when they had an alternative in tandre sweat who weighs over 360 pounds like they were taking nose tackle punches to the smaller size guy. because he's very strong and can do it at a high level, so in a weird way, I'm almost playing both sides of this, but I think the fact that Johnny Newton has predominantly played three Tech is a positive for him projecting. forward because you've seen him do it, but also the fact that Byr Murphy hasn't done it is also a positive for him because you've seen him do something that he shouldn't do at the next level because he has unusual form. skill set to be really strong for his size yeah Murphy you know he hasn't played many snaps either but I think there's room to grow you know more about the role he'll play at the NFL level but I'm intrigued as you are by the fact that he held up so well against the run game, you know? against centers and guards as often as he wanted on the inside or on the nose, so I like Byron Murphy, the second one, as far as Cincinnati goes, there's several different ways they can go and I think a lot of people say okay this is the year they're going to get the tackle and you know you only have Trent Brown for one year it's good it's a good time to look to the future, but the interior defensive line is another need for the Bengals and I still think they want you. you want these, you want cheap players at valuable positions and the way the market is going at defensive tackle with a Byron Murphy II.

I think it's a good move for Cincinnati. You've become the Cincinnati Bengals draft correspondent in town lately from the sounds of It's Me, so I hear people keep asking you who the Bengals are going to draft, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I had uh t-ball last week and then, uh again, I don't know if they're listeners or just randos. I don't know, yeah, but I was walking through Home Depot the other day and someone like the Bengals won it all. I said, okay, it's going to happen fine, I believe it, there you go, and then the second batch goes to the Rams, uh, I don't look. in a bunch of other mock drafts other than when we break them down and suggest plagiarism in them, but yeah, the second batch for the Rams, I think is pretty common, other than calling out the draft industrial complex for their plagiarism problem, what is that? calling out the draft industrial complex for their plagiarism problem, yeah someone has to get it right, yeah look I think Latu is the best edge rusher in this draft, if teams are afraid of the medical issue he's going to slide a little sometime. he becomes too valuable to turn down even in the first round.

I think that point is around the 19th pick, yeah, where even if you just give him one contract, like the Rams look at this and say we've got four years. Cheap lat so we have a fifth year option and then he's medically over it's still good if you get if it's really good if he comes in and has a career like Bosa and you only get five years and then it's then his neck says okay , now is the time, I'm going to need to relax, that's still a win with this pick, yeah, I mean, again, we don't know, I can't talk about medical stuff, I just remember picks like Kyle.

Hamilton, who clearly looked like an excellent player from a production standpoint, will translate to the NFL. Kyle Hamilton feels like a steal at 14 and these are two safeties I'm going to mention, but yeah, Derwin James feels like a steal at 17 because there were some outlandish things at his pro day or whatever, I mean, those are top 10 gauge players and if he goes in the teens, any other year he's a top 10 gauge player even at 23 years old, top 10 gauge player than someone in the teens is I'm going to get there and I'm fast forward to on draft night, you and I are going to go live right after we go live, we're going to do a live draft show here on the YouTube channel and then we're going to go live for the PFF.

NFL podcast right after and you and I are going to say the best first round pick was team latu versus Dallas Turner throughout the process. The pre-draft process usually talks about the number eight overall pick, but at the number 19 pick it's still the same conversation, like the risk in latu of his neck injury becoming an issue in the future and maybe just get a contract. For him, there's also a risk associated with Dallas Turner, which is that he's not as good a football player as Latu right now and we think that's okay, based on his athleticism, we're going to project him to become one next. level, but what if it is?

I don't like the risk with Latu, what if they only give you five years and then he gets out? The risk with Turner is what if you can't close the gap between where he is now, where Latu is and where you think Turner can go? If he develops, then surely he's a better choice because you end up with a player who has roughly the same ability or better and doesn't have the right medical problem, but the downside is what if you make a mistake and he never develops that. until now and he is another version of all these projects that do not improve, that is the risk that is attributed to him, so it is which risk do you have the most appetite for, do you want the risk of injury that may limit it or not, or do you want to. the projection risk is that we don't know if he's going to become a great player or he's going to stay where he is, you know, or he's going to stay where he is, which looks worse because he's going to face better competition, so to me the risk is I have more appetite. because of that injury risk that I because of the projection risk, okay, a couple of chalky picks here, Amarius Mims is going to the Steelers at 20 and then Grant Barton, the offensive tackle guard Center, yeah, from Duke is going to the Dolphins at 21, both selections, as I said, nice. common, yes, the Steelers bring in another tackle to pair with last year's Georgia tackle, Brri Jones, and then the Dolphins, they need offensive line help everywhere and if Mar can play tackle at the next level, some teron Armstead Insurance, yes, both are very common selections. for good reason, obviously, they're both filling needs, they're filling them with good players, amarius Mims, their only real drawback is the kind of lack of sample size tape, you know, the lack of evidence, along with the evidence that we have, it's good, I just don't have enough of it, um, but he has some of those weird traits like the guy's size, the guy's size composition is ridiculous and his tape is good, so I think the Steelers could definitely make that one. selection and have it.

It makes sense, they would be an interesting spot for the 4 wide receiver if you're particularly enamored of the 4 wide receiver, like if they traded for Deontay Johnson. um you know, they brought in a couple of quarterbacks, each of whom they're going to want to surround like Best possible situation is like a lower stakes version of the Pan versus Jamar Chase conversation, right, what makes the quarterback better field? um or rather, draft an offensive tackle to upgrade your offensive line or grab the next wide receiver on the board. For a team like the Steelers, I'm always curious how many internal conversations go down the path that we have, like the Steelers sit there in draft meetings and, hey, we have this great story, we're good in the second round. second and third round wide receiver recruits, so Chase Claypool didn't work out, but we found out we had George picks, we have Deontay Johnson, we have a history here of finding these guys, let's continue with those strengths, let's get the tackle first, we know. like of all the teams that would say it's harder to find tackles in the first round, easier to find receivers later, it would be the Steelers or they say okay we love Brian Thomas Jr. we love whoever, just take them in the first When was the last time the Steelers took a first-round wide receiver years ago?

True, it was a while true, but they have a history because the last one was in 2000, I mean, they got Hines Ward later, right, yeah, the black one could, did they? they drafted Holmes Holmes was a first round player, right, yes, he was first round, it was before, after, after, who pla, oh, well, after, much later, Plaxico, um, I don't know, poorly researched here, but I was just, yeah, I'm thinking out loud. 2006, that's the first round, so it must have been the last one that came to mind. Yes, did anyone else let us know in the chat?

If you're the Steelers fan listening, let us be the last one left. Yes. Where are the Dolphins going to get Barton on offensive line depth anyway? I think a lot of Dolphins fans wanted Christian Wilkins' replacement. I think the two best defensive tackles if they are off the board, Barton makes a lot of sense. here for them and other, you know his offensive line is worse than it looks because they're in a good scheme that protects it a little bit, but that doesn't mean you let it be right, you need it. I mean, Leam Mikenberg has been very bad at guard so far, that would be a solid replacement.

I also think, now that the Eagles are up on the clock by 22, you have them taking Quinan Mitchell from Toledo. I think most people have Quinan going higher, but another one, let me try to predict what. We're saying Thursday night midnight, Friday midnight after the show, like last year, the Eagles got another steal because of their cornerback need, if they're willing to draft their first cornerback since 02. Leo Shepard, if they are willing to do it. if a quinan Mitchell Falls if a terion Arnold Falls I think they have a chance to come out with a very good corner class.

I like this class and I think all the first rounders, the five that are projected to go in the first round should be and if the Eagles come out with a guy like Quinon Mitchell, we say okay, this is an absolute steal, yeah, so there's something interesting with him too. Mitchell will probably be the only small school and by small school I mean the non-power five. maybe that's why it feels like a chalk eraser, you're not going to get the random, say, Northern Iowa's Trevor Penning, you're not going to get an FCS player, you're not going to get five powerless players and I don't know if Now is going to get you like to move on because before the transfer portal and stuff, if you were at a small school and you're really impressed, if you wanted to go and try again, you couldn't there just wasn't this guy. of the transfer market that now exists, the transfer market now, if you excel in a small place, it's just up to you to go to a big place and show that you can do it against better competition, so the Jared versus of the world, the Braden FIS in the world how it makes sense for those guys to do well.

I just won a small level of competition. I just put myself on the draft radar. Let's go to Florida State and show them that I can do it against legitimate opposition and I can do it. I am a playerfirst round, right? That's what people should do now, and then the flip side is true, whereas if you get buried in someone's deep quad at a really good school, you should transfer from there and prove that you can. in Le, you know, go have a good year somewhere, so now you put in an interesting focus these guys that never transfer well and now you have these guys that are going to beat them up, well, we just saw them do it . against some low-level competition and a guy like Quinan Mitchell.

I mean, that's a question mark for him now that he went to the Senior Bowl, he looked great there, that's a feather in his cap and a step in the right direction, but for Mitchell he likes that it's a legitimate question of why he didn't go somewhere else, like why he didn't transfer and prove he could do it in the SEC. I'm Bruce Bruce probably convinced Bruce to stay in Toledo, yes, Toledo. Pride, I wanted to be like Bruce Gradowski, I mean, Quinan Mitchell went too, it was two days of practice at the Senior Bowl and he sat out, the third day it was like okay, I showed what I needed to show, sure as hell never, weird time it was like um.

R Douglas from West Virginia years ago played mostly out of coverage went to the Senior Bowl showed he could do some press uh had some trouble playing press at the Senior Bowl but Quinon showed he could do it and said, I'm good, I'm I'm not saying I agree with this as a knock, but if someone asks if NFL teams are having that discussion on draft night, it's a reasonable discussion since he had a very good 2022 season right after that year. , why didn't it transfer? to a bigger school and go show that he was always a very good athlete, show that you know, he met those requirements and everything that was right in this world, this current landscape of immediate transfers and show that you can do it against better competition, like why didn't he do it. that now he's the only kid left at the small school against lower level competition and I think if you're debating Quinan Mitchell against some of these other guys who did prove it against better competition, that's a valid reason not to go his direction at least to the point where he's available at 22 overall in the first round, it's not like I'm arguing that because we only saw him in Toledo, he's a fourth round guy.

I'm saying you could go differently. Corner, if you pick in the first round, that's a fair point in the future, we won't do that here, it helps a little bit with the analysis when you have less small school data to deal with and in those projections into the future, so? what is happening? Here at pick 23, the Vikings are on the clock with their second first round pick, what are they doing here? Ah, so they are changing. They don't love this quarterback situation. They already have Drake May right. That's what's done, uh, and now Dallas Turner has been slipping, you know?

And as much as I don't think Dallas Turner should be the top edge of the board, I also don't think it should be Trayvon Walker or, you know, these other guys. Those have only been elite athletes and not productive football players. He is a good player. I just don't think he's good enough to be the eighth overall pick. However, I think if he starts to slide in this first round, he will be an intriguing target for someone who. He wants that potential and now sees the risk of it as an advantage because this is what he could be and that's the Patriots in this situation, so taking advantage of the loot they got from Denver, they're going to use some of it. to jump with Minnesota 23 overall and grab Dallas Turner so pick 23 via Cleveland via Houston via Minnesota now to New England Yeah so the Patriots now have um so if you're looking at what the Patriots have here Olu fosu after of trading him to slot him at No. 12 as the starting left tackle, moving forward, Dallas Turner at pick 23 to start on the edge and them. you have Denver's 2025 first-round pick, so if you're from New England, I think sometimes I think back to the interesting discussion about, in a draft room, if you have to pick three, pick four, whatever.

That is, you have the option to choose between an elite potential quarterback to not be a quarterback or just a starter's room again. I don't know if Dallas Turner is actually going to go down, we don't love him as much as maybe the hype top 10 and all, but like you said, he's still there. a good player, even if it's not Dallas Turner, there's this world where New England could have, say, two starters and still have a first-round pick next year to be in position to maneuver for whatever the quarterback class next year, an intriguing option, you know? putting pieces together before going after the franchise guy, yeah, and for the millionth time, you meet someone who says there's no way this player falls into this spot, he hasn't seen any other draft in NFL history, right, we're a couple of weeks away, 10 days away from In the NFL draft we don't know who will go in the first round, it happens almost every year that someone says oh there's no way this guy is available in this place ends up being available at this spot, so yeah, there's probably not much chance of Dallas Turner moving up from the No. 8 overall spot for the Falcons, but if he were to drop all the way to No. 23, it wouldn't be, you know, the most notable drop they've made. has happened in the last year let alone the last 10 years, there's no way, kid.

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What's next for the Dallas Cowboys on the watch? Bing ad Mitchell. I write. From this here I like to announce Mitchell to the Cowboys, yes, when are they going to fix the offensive line? Sam and by the way, this is wide receiver four, so you're making a comment here like Brian Thomas Jr. I'm not making a point as a hater that you don't like him as much as the right draft industrial complex and you're going to announce to Mitchell as the four wide receiver here, going to Dallas, yeah, to congratulate CD Lamb, a guy that you and our friend Brett Coleman have. they both competed for a summer reason yeah no I don't agree people hate me I hate him yeah you hate him too oh I didn't ask Nate if he has some compositions we oh he always has good compositions, uh, I think Dallas could go.

Obviously, in a few different ways, as you say, they could fix the offensive line. JC Leam is still on the board at this spot, that would make some sense to them. There are other positions that need it, but you've made this point. repeatedly and I think I agree with that that Dallas drafts better when Dallas doesn't draft out of need and they just draft the best player available and I think there is an absolute chance that Mitchell Aden I Mitchell becomes an elite NFL receiver , uh and yes. It's not a need right now, but Brandon Cooks probably won't be there.

Beyond this year, Jaylen Tolbert hasn't necessarily developed into a player that would stop you from drafting someone like that, it's CD Lamb and not much else if you look at it from those points of view, so Aden I Mitchell makes sense to me, no, I think it's good for Dallas, they'll have to figure out the center guard, you know the possible starting options later, but I think you know I don't want to. I don't want Dak without a really good receiving corps, although I think he's really improved as a player in recent years. Remember how much his production fluctuated with the core of receivers again.

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I'm a Nate Wiggins fan. I know he was skinny, but 42840 uh, incredible movement skills. Overall, I really like Wiggins. I think he is a potential steal at the back of JC's first team. Tackle SLG guard goes to the bucks at pick 20, you're moving him to guard because you're a learn to guard type of guy and Luke gei played pretty well at right tackle, last right, yeah, um, yeah, I mean, Look, I think. He could probably play tackle, but I don't hate his guard form either. I think he's got, I mean, he's got that fanu flexibility, if you want, he could probably do either, so the Bucks don't need a tackle, but yeah. of inside help and seeing such a good guy on the board they're going to grab him and play on mcard uh Nate Wiggins did something interesting when he did what I think there was a trend for a while where people were really trying It still happens, but I don't think It's so common to lose weight like crazy, run fast to the combine and then gain weight again and show that you weigh more than that, like a week later, he added like 10 pounds between his Combine the weight and his production day, so he did the fast thing, he ran 427 and then he showed up at 182 pounds I think at his pro day and he showed that he's not as small as you thought so I think Wiggins. it's actually that nice compound where it's not as light, it's 180 degrees, which is, you know, undersized, but it's not like we're not talking about Emanuel Forbes here, so it's not, it's not as thin. , but I think it also has. the frame to gain a little more muscle as well so if he weighs 182 I think that was the number now I think he could take it to 190 and that ends up being his NFL playing weight and 62 190 with his coverage skills and 427 speed, that's a pretty attractive skill set even 427 with the added weight although it's all on the tape that's all I need is there it's a test done look that's the beauty of that system you know you're a big slider guy like if the weight goes up maybe that speed goes down, you know, once you lock it, once you lock it, it's there forever, you're just a 428 guy exactly in perpetuity, uh, leave it to the Bucks, like you mentioned, uh, you played right tackle, they move worse to left tackle, do you think Lam? more like a guard um that was another interesting part of the Chris Sims interview he loves JC Leam he has him at tackle a certain one um I don't know if other people are in that boat with Leam but um I think he's fine I think he's fine as right tackle and I could probably maul people at guard uh Zack Frasier, the center that goes to the Cardinals at 27 and then anything about that because I want to talk about this Bills pick at 28 uh I mean the Cardinals. they got Marvin Harrison Jr at the top of the first round they got their wide receiver their offensive line needs an overhaul from there Um Zack Frasier I think he has a resume for the first round, they're just overlooking him a little bit Because Jackson puts pressure on Johnson, the fact that the Cardinal drafted him late in the first round improves our offensive line.

It makes sense, it's a pick, you know, I like him, he's a guy we really like for Buffalo, pick 28. I know again, people if you're just tuning in, you're not as big of a Brian Thomas Jr fan as most, but Troy Franklin from Oregon, yes, he goes to thetickets at pick 28, this could be legit, this could be a legit pick here. I heard a few more rumors. that Troy Franklin maybe sneaks into the first round, there are 100 first rounders as usual this year, although yes, I love the look of Troy Franklin's tape. All the things people like about Brian Thomas Jr also apply to the Troy Franklin film and he was more productive doing it. and I think he has a more well-rounded skill set that could do more things right away at the next level.

I don't really understand why you would love one guy and not the other. I'm starting to hate both of them and I understand you. I know I love both boys. I don't really understand if you're really high on one why you wouldn't be as high on the other. As for Thomas, if you're high on Thomas, I don't understand why you would. Now I'm not high on Franklin. I kind of have it backwards, which is where I am because I think Franklin does more things well than Brian Thomas, um, but he has elite speed, he loses contact at the line of scrimmage in terms of throwing. his routes really really well, like he has amazing quickness to be able to get away from that press coverage, um, and I think he's better in the middle, people give him credit and he's incredibly productive now that you're showing me a laminated sheet that suggests the model has something to say about Troy, yeah where I am, we're what I'm struggling with here, yeah Sam we got it, we got a blue in Troy Franklin, we got a blue in Troy Franklin, yeah we got a Sprint towards the podium. take that guy and what do we have at Brian Thomas CU?

He's blue, he's more, he's mid-level, he's mid, yeah, he's mid, so the model steps back as the kid would say. I think I think Thomas Jor will end up in the 50th percentile. it's and um Troy Franklin in the 90s in the blue so just to reemphasize that the model is endorsing the model loves Troy Franklin and is endorsing what I think is oh absolutely Franklin very good Brian Thomas not much that's how that's how you use the model the same way that people use it if you agree then we're fine where I've been struggling with Troy Franklin it's just overall playing strength strength point game, I don't think it's great, I might need it. look again because I, you know, I trust your eyes, that's good.

I didn't love the Franklin movie as much as the model loves Troy Franklin, you know, and I hate struggling with that stuff. I hate it, right? If I was in a draft room, you know? It would be if I had the final say from the GM. You know, relying on the data, mostly, unless you have deleters in the movie, but I have to go back and look at it. One thing that was interesting is, um, like the big negative about Bo Knicks is this pathological conservatism like Alex Smith, right, it's like the guy never throws deep down the field like he can't, it's a very average. short at Target, etc., like Troy Franklin was there and his average at Target.

It's 13 yards down the field and then you have a quarterback and everyone says all he does is throw short and then your number one wide receiver says all he does is catch a deep bomb, well if you have the yes. that wide receiver is good enough to convince a pathologically conservative quarterback to throw him a bomb, there's probably something about that right, it's like remembering when Tyreek Hill suddenly transformed Alex Smith into the most powerful deep thrower in the League at random, as if Troy Franklin is good enough at consistently getting open deep down the field that even a guy who just wants to control him is willing to unleash the cannon.

I think there is some noise or some signal in that noise. Franklin also averaged 3.55 yards per rush R, which is an incredibly high number. Um, I just don't think I understand why people are so down on him. There's a lot of people that think he's really good, but he might be the fourth best wide receiver in this class, yeah, yards per route. So a couple of metrics that really translate to the next level based on our numbers, yards per finishing round is good, I've just said it before, but just completion percentage for the receiver actually translates pretty well to the following. level plus the overall receiving grade and our W metric and everything that translates pretty well, that's where Troy Franklin is pretty good, he's okay, Kool-Aid mckinstry.

I like the next two Kool-Aid mckinstry picks at 29, let's move quickly. the second round but concluding the first round hereKool-Aid mckinstry goes to the lions at 29, cuts Robinson to RAV WIS at pick 30. I like both picks for both respective teams, yeah, I think they have that kind of, I want say, k mckinstry, the Lions don't have a sharp. I need him in the corner, but they could use an upgrade. Kool-Aid makes some sense. I didn't love his tape as much as others, but then again, what didn't you like about Kool-Aid? Will you come back and and?

Watch it again a little. I guess I don't think it reads the game particularly cleanly. He's one of those cornerbacks who seems to be a little late reading everything. You know, the way Witherspoon was the opposite of that, like he read everything. a step ahead of everyone else on the field, meaning that, as you know, on a screen or whatever normally comes when the ball is, he was incredible in that, maybe the best corner I can remember, Kool -Aid currently ranked 24th in the consensus draft. all corner board that's the biggest drop because it's been as high as nine yeah on the board it's dropped to 24 that's cb5 on the consensus board right now yeah so the fact that taking a while to read things means that I think it's better. in man coverage than in Zone because there's less reading involved in that, you're just stuck with one guy, um, but I don't even know if he's as good at it, he's better at it, um, but I think it means his Zone is his game. in the zone he is incomplete because he doesn't read it as fast as the other guys and he is like a step behind in his entire game in man.

I don't think he's that good, he's very patient in the wing phase, which is the kind of cornerback Splashy play that people like to see, you know when you're able to just effortlessly slide into the wing phase. sideline, it's like ah, this guy's Elite level is amazing, yeah, but I'm not going to lie, it makes me feel. pretty good looking at a corner, it's the kind of shiny object that people get when they look at corners, but it's not really that it's not an important part of your game, but it's just a part that it's not if you can just do that , you're not a good Corner, uh, and I'm not saying it's Kool-Aid, but I am saying that's his best exchange there.

I think the opinion of him will be artificially high because of the shiny object thing. which is better at um I don't know I just think there are enough flaws in this game that it certainly scares me from owning it like I don't think it's bad I just don't think it's on the level of Wiggins Arnold or Quinon and then cutting to Robinson I think as far as pure pass rushers go, I think he's the last first-round caliber Edge, we were talking a little bit off the air. I don't love this kind of Edge. I mean, I think we all agree.

We both like latu in verse, we understand Dallas Turner, he is a good player, Robinson for me is the last good pass rusher who left each other. Edge beyond the first four here, Sam, I just think it's development, development, development, they're all types of development, you know, in quotes. Backwards kind of guys and Chop Robinson is the last of them. I think so, I think that's a reasonable point. I think a lot of years people tend to look at Edge's career classes and say they're really deep, but I think you run out of really good guys pretty quickly and after that you're either projecting or hoping that average production translates into production. average at the NFL level or even improve and that tends not to work.

Robinson I think he has elite level production at the B Elite Level college level. athletic traits because he came from Penn State and they all do well and see a reason to think he could be an elite level player at the next level, which you can't say about a lot of these other guys after him, all good . note that first round quarterback TJ Tampa from Iowa State is going to the 49ers Tyler is going to be offensive tackle for Oklahoma and going to the Kansas City Chiefs yes, TJ Tampa I don't know if it's everyone's cup of tea, so say it, but I think he's a 49ers corner type, he's got the size, he's got the physicality, I think he makes a lot of sense within that defense that again doesn't necessarily badly need a corner, but could definitely use one and then, Tyler, you could also double up.

Continue with the Oklahoma Project athletic tackles to try to solve your offensive tackle spot, yeah, I mean that's what he is G, he's a left tackle project, um, he's a project, he's kind of a project though purer in terms of the good in his film. It already looks spectacular, like there's a legitimate rep rep consistency issue, so there are tackles that don't have the good tape but have the characteristics to have a good tape right and you're projecting well if we can get it done. He is playing at the level these movement skills suggest. There is an incredible player.

Giden is different because he has that tape that is scored and followed by a bad tape, so it's like, how do we eliminate the bad tape? The good tape just comes out because the athlete is there and we can see his ability to be an incredible player, which I think is different and there's probably at least a better chance of that working than a guy who just has the athleticism. and assuming somewhere we can teach him how to play well, he plays well, but not all the time, yes, there are also tackles where you say, oh man, he comes from a scheme where you have to completely redo his kick . step, you have to completely redo everything he currently does again.

He's not necessarily that guy, if you get the top 10 reps out of him, he's a top 10 gauge player. There are other tackles that you would say you can't necessarily find them in, but it's 10. The best reps look amazing, but his worst 10 reps look udfa and it's not necessarily just a consistency issue with gon, so that's what makes it. very intriguing, the fact that you know that I have no problem playing him at left tackle in the NFL as if we were talking about someone with prototypical left tackle traits and skills, you are already reworking things in terms of trying to fix him, You know, bringing it into this project, moving it from the right side to the left doesn't make any difference.

Okay, let's get into round two, some of the interesting things you've done here. You did it on purpose? So let's start with the Carolina Panthers. We have to at least touch the teams that don't have first round picks, Panthers at 33. and the Panthers at 39, you have them doubling the wide receivers, the Makoni guy from Georgia and Xavier Legette from South Carolina, yeah, I want That is to say, they need an influx of talent at wide receiver, the 33rd pick I think is very well positioned to grab one. and in fact SOA is 39 to be honest, so yes makoni boy he absolutely has the ability to be a first round pick.

I don't really know how this kind of receiver is going to shake out in terms of order for whatever. and in terms of whether teams will avoid drafting receivers at the end of the first round because in the second and third rounds the talent will be so crazy that they will be able to do it like Buffalo has Buffalo to draft the wide receiver. first round because they traded Stefan Diggs or they can go back and pick like three in the middle rounds and do the same so Carolina gets Lad Makoni at the top of the second round I think that's a fantastic steal for them and then Xavier Legette simply brings something different than almost anyone else in this class in terms of that combination of DK's size and speed with Cafe and the overwhelming ability to physically dominate a corner.

The other wild thing going on here, yeah, it's the Minnesota Vikings at 34, so remember they traded from 23,234, this was the New England Patriots pick from New England and you have the Vikings taking Michael Penx Jr. Yes, you've already cast Drake. I may have already cast Drake. Could you have done this on purpose or do you know that you sometimes forget now? Look, you already drafted a quarterback, but this is, we talk about this a lot, doubling a quarterback, you should love him, this is your direct from Steve Palaza. I'll take Drake May and Michael Penck Junior, go ahead and fight for it. people, so number one talks about qu all the time like G analysis, the right analytics would say, do this number two, it's not really an analytics GM, it's a finance guy, maybe it comes from from a financial background, he was a Wall Street guy, right?

What is the Finance tenant like? It's diversifying his portfolio. He never puts all his eggs in one basket. you're spreading it even further you're recruiting a right-hander and a left-hander you know we've got everything covered right-handed and left-handed yeah,by the way, with the penic I know you're stuck on this I don't think you make a left-handed shot righty in the video it changes anything oh it does it it doesn't change anything people are crazy it does it you turn the tape over it's like a completely different person it's not yes it is you're telling me like Mark like Mark Brunell looked like a perfectly normal every left hand I I Michael Vic I look like Vic looked like a perfectly normal shot tell me if you made Vic look right handed it wouldn't change anything at all if he did out if it was a smooth movement of the elbow with the left hand with a barrel that looked perfectly Okay, I wouldn't even give my Scouts the correct orientation of the tape, that's your fault.

I would have each of them watch the tape with their right hand. I would make them turn around before I even gave them the movie. That's your own problem for everyone. only left handed quarterback ever I would turn it around I'm not even looking at him as a lefty because it messes with your brain I disagree, okay, completely disagree, so yeah, the Vikings draft two quarterbacks here. Vikings draft two quarterbacks, huh, what else is interesting? here in the second round Braden Fisk goes to the Chargers at 37 pton Wilson goes to the Titans at 38 the NC State linebacker yes, another interesting thing the Indianapolis Colts select Brian Thomas Jr, the player that many people want to give the first round, which again is not the craziest thing in the world, was who was last year or the year before, where exactly that happened, a team that was made fun of, it was the Steelers and Joey Porter Jr., someone, yeah, So, the Steelers. and Joey Porter Jr, but this was, but he was the first pick of the second round, sure, but yeah, the Steelers last year got a lot of Joey Porter junior first-round mock draft picks at 17 and then traded, It's like that, but there are a few times in recent history that a team has been mocked with a guy in the first round and they ended up locking him up in the second round instead of head because that guy slipped or whatever, oh, the draft of the Steelers felt great last year. so and this is an example of that where Brian Thomas Jr is most people's four wide receiver if the league is a little closer to me than the consensus, which is possible, it's also equally possible that it's not are and he ends up getting drafted at 15 or whatever uh he was on the guest list sorry, go ahead, if the league is closer to me, then they are the consensus board, the F Brian Thomas Jr, who goes to the second round, not crazy in an incredibly deep wide receiver class, um the Saints the previous pick that the Saints are taking Edge Darius Robinson out of Missouri.

I think he was invited to the draft, just a handful like 13 or 14 invited to the draft, usually that indicates that he will be off the board in the top 32. but in this case that would be something else like, hey, a lot of people think the Saints took two first-rounders now with Fanu in the first round and then Darius Robinson with a 45th pick if that's how it played out and, again, I don't always mean. Will Levis was there obviously last year and all along the way there was someone else who also slipped into the second of that group of Green Room people um yeah, generally speaking, they're inviting guys to The Green Room that they think are going to go. on day. one, but that doesn't mean it's happening, anything else you want to highlight here in the second round, the giants get their tackle, so let's go to the giant stage here, okay, they take Malik Neighbors in the first round, in the second round here at pick 47. very plausible Jordan Morgan The tackle out of Arizona now again the Giants have uh Germaine alumor they still have Evan Neil but you add Morgan to the mix now you're adding more depth to the offensive line and this is a example of the complete receiver in the first tackle later and get a starting caliber player, at least a guy who can compete for a starting job at pick 47, yes, absolutely, um, the fact that Alumor can start and be fine However, it shouldn't stop you from drafting what could be a significant upgrade at a tackle spot, so yeah, maybe he's exactly the type of player that means you don't have to draft him at six, which is what Illuminar accomplishes .

He does the same thing as the Lions' cornerback group last year. the right thing to do with bringing in Emanuel Mosley Etc was so you wouldn't have to draft a corner with a first round pick, it didn't mean you couldn't, it just meant you no longer need to pursue that as a necessity. what Illuminator does for the Giants, but that doesn't mean you don't do it, if you see value there, like Jordan Morgan, a potential first rounder like Halfway through the second, you say, yeah, I'm in, I'm going out of the order. here but couples picks that caught my attention first against the Pittsburgh Steelers doing the second round receiver thing, so same thing, they tackled the first receiver in the second.

This is Florida's Ricky Piol, the next second round star for Pittsburgh's Elite athlete has one of the best. sacks in college football history on his resume and yeah, I think it fits very well. In fact, we mentioned that we'll definitely touch on teams that don't have a first round that includes the Cleveland Browns picking 54 at defensive tackle. Michigan Jenkins' Chris Jenkins is one of the best interior playmakers we've seen. The Run Stop percentage is one of the best since 2014, when we started this with Leonard Williams. Leonard Williams is number one. He's not that good at anchoring. and you know, keeping the point and everything, but Jenkins moves up and down the line and just finishes plays.

It was amazing for Michigan, yeah, um and uh, Jim Harbaugh at one point said he wouldn't be surprised if it was a top 10 pick, so then why would Jim lie? Why would Jim lie? And you're getting a potential top 10 pick at pick 54 here if you're the Browns, uh, the B Knicks went 44 to the Raiders in the second round, that's important, just to take a bow. the quarterback where the QBs went, so lean Nicks, I mean these are all these doable things, sure, if Nicks and Penck don't get into that top 15, top 13, they'll really fall to second, there's a lot of smoke now , i guess. the Seahawks and Michael Penck at pick 16 and you know, thinking about the future Beyond Gino Smith, but it feels like Penck, if they fall beyond the 16th, then you're in all this, you know, it's a team that It's going back to the back. in the first round or they do, they become a second rounder, do you feel like this is an inevitable side effect of the middle class quarterback contract?

If you sign a quarterback to the middle-class contract, inevitably, every draft that comes around, teams say don't look, don't overlook this team for a crafty first-round quarterback, you're like you're that guy who's on the bench at all times because you signed him to that deal that says we're not 100% sold. This guy is pretty good, but we could know if the right quarterback fell, we could be in the market, this is the Bucks in a year like Baker Mayfield, he has another good season, exactly, they lose in the wild card round, maybe do not arrive the playoffs and it's like the Bucks are back in the QB Market, yes, the Seahawks are back in the QB Market, the Giants are back in the, but not in a definitely get a quarterback, It's always like he didn't do it.

Look at this team, you know, a sneaky little quarterback at the 19th overall pick, stay tuned, the Texans have two second rounders, is that right? So the Texans for a second round, one of the uh, there's always a guy, there's always a guy. that everyone loves Mikey Sandra still from Michigan, everyone loves him, everyone loves a good nickel safety, Mike Hilton competes through the roof because Sandra is still a Michigan legend, huh, you know , I don't know, I think he's getting more hype in the second round, um, tough. when you're a slot cornerback but he's that feisty.

Do it all, type of player we have, you have the Texans taking him at pick 42, yeah, the Texans get a couple cornerbacks in the second round, they get San rasil um as the slot. guy and then they get Argan's Kyrie Jackson as the outside guy Kyrie Jackson a little older some character issues but um intriguing talent he would be a lot higher if those things weren't true. He completes a phenomenal turnaround project group. corners at right outside, they've loaded up on these former top-10 first-rounders and now they add Kyrie Jackson, since this, you know, is equal question marks, but one of the three will become a corner useful against Derrick Singley. all of them in the mix yeah okay the others that caught my eye Miami Dolphins I love this I love it you did it on purpose oh yeah Xavier worthy of Texas yeah the wide receiver goes to the Dolphins to join Tyreek Hill to join the track meet.

Jaylen WD will join the entire team Jaylen W Tyreek Hill Xavier worthy Raheem moer Devin Anan this is the fastest team in NFL history on a single roster Al Davis is sitting in his grave, sitting like him, this is the team that were their defenses were built to combat their 425 Corners every year, this is what they were supposed to stop, love this, yes, I love this too, this would be great, great, I mean, if I were elected by Avil H last year, I felt like we are being trolled. they're really just drafting the fastest guys and if you know he was averaging eight yards a pop for a while, wide receiver clearly isn't a need for the Miami Dolphins, but if Xavier Worthy was available at 55 and Miami's pick rolled, can you tell me that they wouldn't accept it just for that, they would do it well, no, they would, yes, they absolutely would and I love that.

I like the choice of Dallas. You know, there is a lot of talk. You are higher up in the running class than others. I mean, there's talk now that a running back won't be drafted until the third round, and I see I'm a big Jonathan Brooks fan. You have Jonathan Brooks going to the Cowboys at 56 years old. I don't think he's crazy, he's injured and coming back. from a knee injury, but man, he looked like a first-round talent on film, yeah, and the Cowboys, so now the Cowboys have taken Mitchell's teammate Jonathan Brooks, you go to receiver and running back, two needs, but I think they're improving their offense with both guys, yeah, I mean running back is obviously a big need for them.

I think this spot in the middle of the second is a fair spot for Jonathan Brooks to be drafted. I think he would be a late first round pick. round, but a first-round pick if he didn't have the knee injury, but again, he's on the routine side of the knee injury. Spectrum, like we're talking about someone, in theory, he should be back playing at 100% next year, there's no reason for that. It can't be now, it doesn't always happen, look at Blake Corm for example, a knee injury different, but you know, you never know the guy will be 100% until you see him, but in theory there's no reason Jonathan Brooke can't.

Start running and even if you need it, you know, a couple of weeks to ease it, it should still be your guy and then the second year and Beyond looks better than that, yeah, I like it, you know, so let's say about the runners. I'm just saying if I like Brooks, I like Brooks as a player, um, anything else important here, I think for me, the Chiefs at age 64 took Roman Wilson again, the Chiefs got tackled in the first round and a lot of we have done it. they said they were going to grab a receiver because of the whole offseason, the whole narrative during the season, his receivers were terrible, but they brought in Mars Brown, now you have the Rashi rice material.

I don't know if he ends up missing at some point, but the Chiefs. get a second round receiver here and Roman Wilson who I think would be a great option for them doesn't even fit he's just a good player yeah I mean they clearly have a significant need at wide receiver but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should do it. fit him late in the first round because of how deep this wide receiver class is. I think this is a great example that when they pick late in the second round, I can still date someone like Roman Wilson. who crushed the Senior Bowl when he was there and couldn't be covered, like you're talking about a potential immediate impact, an upgrade in your receiver room at the end of the second round and I don't think he's the last one available, like he will do.

There will be more guys like that in the third round, so move on to wide receiver early in this draft. I think it will be a productive strategy for the teams. Well, overall, I have to say a pretty average job in your mock draft. Well, two more selections I just made. I wanted to mention before we finish, number one 58, the Green Bay Packers select Cooper BB from Kansas State, the spotperfect for them as they have done a very good job drafting offensive lineman, developing them and turning them into good players. BB, I think he's already a very good player with versatility that can move everywhere off the offensive line, another thing that the Packers tend to covet, you know, Elton Jenkins, Zack Tom, they like to move the guard or move offensive lineman, at least in terms of finding his right fit in I think BB at the NFL level gives them the ability to do that and he's a really good player and then the other one I wanted to mention was the Bengals who didn't get their chance. at tight end in the first round because Brock Bowers is long gone, they get Jatavian Sanders in the second round and hopefully finally upgrade that tight end position.

I like it, that's a good combination for the Bengals. The pairing of Jim Bell and Jatavian Sanders are intriguing tight ends with after-catch ability and playmaking ability. skill as in well, forgive me IRB Smith, type of mold. I know Irv hasn't had success with a few different teams, but there was a point where it looked like he would, yeah, I mean injuries, that kind of problem, that kind of style. I think he's available here. I will tell you that last year it happened with the creator of Luke SC and things like there will be some unannounced tight ends that will go on the second day.

It seems like that's when teams start saying, "Okay, let's fill out." some very specific needs, the tight end class doesn't feel great after Brock Bowers, but that's where Benenson isn't from Kansas State or you know, some of those guys could fit in on day two a lot better than we expected . Drew Sample years ago, there are always some surprising tight end picks, Cole KT, they went a lot higher than others expected, so keep an eye on that from Friday night, day two of the draft, yeah, anything else , no, in your mock draft here, I'm done, it's nice when you've got it done ahead of you. of time and we just read it, talked about it, we don't have to think about everything on the fly, two rounds, you weren't going to do two rounds, did FL just flow with it, yeah, I mean, was I nice?

To go well, part of it was that I wanted to give picks to teams that we hadn't made in the first round, you know, and part of it was that some of the trades that had happened made the second round more relevant. I was like, yeah. Whatever I'm already doing, it might as well be in the Sim Draft Mock. It's easy to keep flying until the next round and watch yourself going further. I just have to appreciate that you went above and beyond. So that's Sam's mock draft for the rest of the week here. I think that on Wednesday we will have what we are.

GNA. We have interviews with JT of some description. some kind of interviews on Wednesday. JT Solivan on Wednesday already has a couple in the can. We have a couple more in the works and then we have to figure out how to put them together. We already interviewed JT O Sullivan. We had conversations with JTO Sullivan. Bruce Feldman and we're bringing Nate Ty here today, so we're. We'll have some sort of a mix of those guys on Wednesday and then our friend Dan Dane Brugler will be here on Thursday, the author of The Beast, on the Athletic, talking all things draft.

We have to cover the latest news before you get out of here oh, what have the Eagles extended to Reign Devonte Smith, who gets a three-year, $75 million contract extension that includes $51 million in guarantees according to Rapaport and Adam Shefer in the competition, who got their first, that's the important thing why Jeffy beat him? a minute jefy first then Rapaport he is draft class 21 uh he 21 right yeah um this is early this is early is this the first EXT extension for the 2021 class Brad Spielberger uh the late Brad Spielberger rest in peace um still with us, but not with PFF, yeah, now working for an agency, going to B for the players, yeah, on the player side, now yeah, and we were, he'll be, he'll be back on the show at some point, um, anyway , the late Brad was saying that the Eagles were going to do that again that they were going to get by like they had this right trend of doing previous contract extensions and other teams that end up looking like bargains in the future, now the risk is that the downside of that is that you do it. a Carson Wentz and the guy you gave the extension to doesn't work out and you look bad, but if you get the right player and give him the extension early, it only works out well for you because you're under market, yeah, and then.

You know, the players like it too, they get paid, they get proper security, so you get a little bit more upfront. I think I think that's really smart, that's great, so you're a big Devonte Smith fan. I think he had, you know? You always wonder, the big question was always about his size. He's had games these last two years where he was the guy right when AJ Brown was getting all the attention and Devonte Smith had to step up, he could do it and that new shot. This is among the best in the league, AJ Brown, he really is and you know he's worth, he's probably not worth elite wide receiver money and this is a step below that so it makes sense from that point by sight, the only risk I can see. attached to this deal is if suddenly AJ Brown looks across the line and says, wow, he gets paid more than me.

I'm a better receiver than him and I'm the one who should get the money if AJ wants a few more dollars, I'm sure I could go to the other side of the locker room and intimidate him a little, you know, I see he's bigger, you know, throw him kinda Ste, his lunch money has salary cap ratifications if AJ Brown steals Devonte Smith's money, how does that work against the cap? It's all tax-free, it's just under the table, like a team could exploit that. As a loophole, you know how he tells AJ, hey, go bully Devonte for a grind and that's where we'll make the cut. difference and then we don't have to do it, you know that could be our, could be our, uh, we could be.

Let's go for something that could be the way we pay you more money. We do not encourage harassment here at the PFF NFL Podcast. Anyway, so is the breaking news veteran. Cody Whitehair is signing Raiders guard center Cody Whiteair. And he wears the new Jets uniforms? It didn't go well, I need to know your opinion on the Jets uniforms. They have presented new uniforms for this season. I agree with whatever firefighter Ed thinks, whatever firefighter Ed thinks. I don't know if his opinion is publicly available yet. I think they are pretty good. I guess I'm under the impression that he makes all the big decisions for the Jets, so I'm guessing he had some sort of vote.

Did you see Woody Johnson's quotes about Aaron Rogers? No, Woody Johnson is an incredible billionaire who goes unnoticed. Have you sent me anything about the uniforms? No, you want it to be your Google. Am I supposed to look for the uniforms? There you have it, they are on the screen in front of you right now. Can you handle that? They are different? What do you mean? They are different? Yes, they are different. The shoulder thing. The streaks that used to be like something strange like a triangular jet like a blow. I guess this is cleaner. I like them.

Moving on from seeing the ghost of the Sam Darnold era, yeah, I don't like that. I think all the black and green isn't a great looking outfit or people love the blackout thing. I don't think it works very well like we used to. The message board community used to call that black for black's sake, right, a lot of teams were doing that right, just make everything black, a black uniform, I don't love the green and white versions of Andor, I think they're cool , although yes, those. Look, those look clean, they look good. I do not love it.

Actually, I think the all-white, all-white looks really nice. I don't love the green collar on the no, sorry, the white collar on the green t-shirt. I do not think that it's necessary. be all green, it's an extended collar, sure, it's sure a big collar, it works well on the white t-shirt. I don't think he looks as good in the green shirt. Where were we going before? I don't know anything else. You were looking up before you insisted that someone show you the shirts we were talking about. Yes, no, what am I going to do? Look for it live.

Yes. What did Chefer just say here? uh oh CD Lamb is not expected to attend the start of the Dallas Cowboys voluntary offseason program oh my gosh he's not going to the program what else are we talking about before you made me find the jerseys for you oh Woody Johnson Woody Johnson Quotes So I was quietly saying that he's like a brilliant, low-key billionaire, right? clearly he has so much money that he just says what he wants without filtering right he has that level of knowing that that has real value so he was talking about Rogers who they were asking about like Rogers and being JFK or RFK's running mate Junior or whatever and he said something like "I forget what the exact dates were," but he said, yeah, you know, hopefully now he'll focus on football, which was like a little phase, like going to the fourth dark or whatever. "Like just going into the dark room or whatever, like Roger's there, you know, life-changing decisions from this little cave in the middle of a mountain somewhere, like having to go in there for days just to make my life get moving, so I appreciate that I put Myself in the I've grounded myself to be able to make this call and Woody Johnson says, yeah, he goes into the darkroom or whatever, it's perfect, improvised, a billion it really is high level, you know, Woodies would never go to the dark room, oh God, no, no Woody dismisses anyone who goes to the dark room as a joke and says it publicly even though it's his, you know, quarterback of. 50 million dollars or whatever, oh man, that's top tier stuff anyway, well, good stuff now that we're out of here, yeah, so we'll be back on Wednesday.

We'll have some great discussions about the NFL. One more week, man, are you ready, are you ready for the draft? By the way, we'll be live here on draft night. on the YouTube channel, I think twice, um, but then the Pod, most importantly, the podcast will air right after the first round. You guys loved it last year, you loved tuning in right after and we just redid the whole thing and didn't say hello. We're just going to hit the high notes in the first round, we're going to go by pick, yes, for the second time, so the PFF NFL podcast will be live on Thursday night after the draft, be sure to join us, thank you all for Tuning in, see you again on Wednesday with more PFF NFL podcast to e