The truth behind dory fish | Undercover Asia | Full Episode

It is one of the most popular

fish

in the world. It is also one of the most controversial cat

fish

in Asia. It has been shown to contain carcinogenic chemicals. Its critics say it is mass produced in dirty conditions, endangering the health of consumers. Every year 220,000 tons of industrial waste are dumped into the sea. Mekong Delta seafood producers deny the river poses a health problem, there is nothing wrong with manufacturing in its downstream, 'kill it' lid tests every week, foreign competitors have campaigned to ban it , we import millions and millions of fish that Phillips caught in this lagoon and it is also an ideal fish for food scammers who can pass it off as much more expensive species.

If we add to this the power of the money made from narcotics trafficking and human smuggling, it does not even come close to the amount of fraud that is occurring. and the money that is generated in our food system, so what is the real story of that fish on your planet? The Mekong Delta extends over 40,000 square kilometers of southern Vietnam. We must take five minutes from here, we say the Mekong River and you can see that the The color is very light when the river is a vital resource for the Vietnamese people and its fish farmers house Vietnam's huge aquaculture business worth two billion dollars a year in exports, the world is eating more fish now than ever, but while the Court Seafood cannot meet this growing demand for cheap protein, aquaculture or farmed fish.

Did Europe, the US, especially developed countries, see Pangasius as an alternative to white fish, for example pollock or cod, so it was another alternative to develop that led them to demand the warm waters of the delta of the Mekong are ideal for farming Pangasius, a fast-growing whitefish and an ideal replacement for overfished ocean shellfish, but it is a huge success story that is clouded by controversy and confusion. In Singapore they call it

dory

. In Europe they call it basa or. Vietnamese cobbler in America it is called catfish in Vietnam its proper name is Pangasius it is all the same fish but it has different names in different markets it is dedicated to some of the refunded Xbox one of the most important resources in Vietnam at the moment the Xbox around More than 70 to 80 percent of the Pigasus ball worldwide is one of the most successful fish on the market.

It is cheap to produce, ideal for fish farming or aquaculture. Most people don't realize that more than 50% of all fish. What we eat now in the world comes from aquaculture and provides a livelihood for many millions of people around the world and that is what the people of Vietnam needed after the liberalization of their economy in the 90s, commercial agriculture on a large scale that provided them with the basic products they needed. could export at industrial levels in the 1990s, a group of French scientists came to Vietnam and developed spawning technology and that was the beginning of the Pangasius boom.

What I want to talk to you about tonight is that seafood professor Simon Busch is one of the world's leading experts on the global production of sustainable seafood, he has also studied the growth of Pangasius production in Vietnam. From that moment on, we began to see a lot of Pangasius cultured in cages along the rivers of Vietnam and, as a result, they began to disappear. only for markets within Vietnam but also abroad go to Cosi Food was established by Jong Un's father 30 years ago. It is now one of the leading exporters of Pangasius products in Vietnam.

Only in Vietnam can we produce the best quality from useless products that the government tried. to protect the Pangasius industry because it generates income for them, the income from exports of these products that goes to Switzerland and this is a very important customer for us, this engine has a very high price, so it is a good profit margin, the initial sales success of Vietnamese Pangasius. Abroad they soon attracted the attention of other fish producers and problems. Pangasius producers were hit with an avalanche of criticism that ruined their reputation in the United States and 90% of the seafood consumed is imported, but in Europe , at 65%, if fishing is important, they have become less and less competitive when it comes to a globally traded seafood market, so these countries have a very strong opinion on incoming seafood .

Over the past two years, millions of pounds of seafood from China and Vietnam have been denied entry into the United States. Because independent testing found the fish contains banned drugs and chemicals, including known carcinogens, there have been damning media reports that the fish is farmed in filthy conditions and is unfit for consumption. There has been a lot of talk about the Pangasius industry over the last decade or so. With so much misinformation that has been made public, it is very difficult to distinguish fiction from fact. Pangasius is sold as catfish in the United States, U.S.

Catfish producers, alarmed by the sudden threat of competition, pressured the U.S. government to ban the importation of Pangasius. They also encouraged American and foreign media to examine the fish's alleged health risks. When you buy imported catfish, you may get more than you bargained for. From Asia Has Been Shown To Contain Carcinogenic Chemicals Unapproved Drugs Industrial Waste USA On the other hand, the USDA inspects farm-raised catfish for food safety. We see a number of claims against Pangasius that it is unsafe to eat, that it is associated with poor working conditions, and generally that the Mekong River is a poor environment.

Water quality in the Mekong Delta, where Pangasius is farmed, was the first target of anti-Pangasius activists. The first thing I often do is they look down at the river and see brown water, especially in the rainy season, and to them the brown water was dirty. water and that's not a very scientific way to evaluate how clean a river is, but you know it's a muddy river, the president of the Catfish Institute in the United States called the Mekong the toilet bowl of Asia and a spokesperson said that In many cases fish are essentially fish. raised in cesspools, but Vietnamese Pangasius advocates say there is no good evidence that the delta is dangerously polluted or that fish raised in these waters is unsafe to eat, has too much organic content, there are contaminants in the river , certainly, but it is a It is important to realize that there is a difference between a pollutant being in the river as a hazard, but also the difference between that and really understanding the risk that opposes it.

It is necessary to have very clear quantities of any contaminant, as it poses a risk to human health. but also for the environment. This is son of a small town in the north of Vietnam. It is where many of the foreign media's critical reports were filmed. Every year, two hundred and twenty thousand tons of industrial waste are dumped into the wastewater of the Mekong River Delta from these houses. goes directly into the water children play in the water people wash their clothes, their dishes and themselves in the same water where they raise ducks and throw garbage foreign reports allege that Pangasius was not safe to eat because it was produced in highly polluted waters , but were these? fair and accurate reporting when I hear the Mekong River claimed to be one of the most polluted in the world.

I haven't seen evidence of that, hehe, no, it's often shown as a bit of work while you can board and good luck. you my, but then he gave Professor Leon Torn is a senior lecturer at Canto University and has studied the water quality of the Mekong since the beginning of his career. Well, I'm a kind of Dilton July, it doesn't seem like I do anything to work to help a few people I hope we're not open and long after lila until it seems human I like the surprise I mean it was so no laughter late people happiness because I need people isms above to surround the cocoa cake I asked him look at me he could be higher than the load of the super like in my honor for oxygen, so it is true in shipping and large.

The professor says focusing simply on the appearance of the water is misleading when it comes to judging whether fish grown here are safe to eat. Welcome our. model Adam Levine your dog not long ago sounded behind him chat when friend Amir some tell you now fire suppressor had a scepter faced with dr. they did something but they had no food or substance in the development of a new sample. In fact, experts say water that looks clear may mean it's lacking the nutrients fish need to grow. We have to understand that there are rigorous testing regimes on fish and if we are talking about a food safety issue, there are systems in place to collect those contaminants, so can we trust those systems to safeguard our health?

Thankful Tongue has worked for Vin Hone, the largest single producer of Pangasius in the world for the past seven years. Let's sterilize our shoes this year. Hygiene procedures to prevent diseases from other farms. On our farm, only one chi or bacteria can cause disease. The foreman guesses that the farm here has 12 large ponds, each of which raises up to half a million fish in each production cycle. He speaks the language. they monitor the water constantly to ensure that the fish produced in these waters are safe to eat they want equality in the Mekong River before we put the water in the pot the tests she says of consistency and quality in the fish assembled and sent to the laboratory They are regularly fed pesticide residues and heavy metals.

Sometimes low temperatures or unusual cloudiness in the rainy season means they will delay changing water in ponds. They add chemicals to the water, as some critics reject them, but say they are not harmful. chemical, but we are all in nature like probiotics, prebiotics, you test the water, then we pump the water from the river to the pond and then we will allow you to test the water. These closed ponds are also better for the environment than open cages in the river in 2010 the World Wildlife Fund a world authority on the environment which Vietnamese Pangasius there does not buy lists and apparently supported a damning German documentary about agricultural conditions , but after strong protests from the Vietnamese WWF, they admitted that they had used obsolete and incomplete information.

The documentary did not have the support of WWF International, who decided that it was better to work together with the Vietnamese Pangasius industry to certify their practices and raise them to global standards. We found that farmers are eager to hear what we have to say, eager to work together to achieve our shared goals, which is a long-term sustainable future for the industry that is truly in harmony with nature, we went to visit the farms of Pangasius in the Delta at the invitation of the Vietnamese government and the WWF changed its position at this time. However, there is nothing wrong with not accepting his theory because he received these every week every month weekly annually if there is a problem with mcentire that we would be farming fish in this type of game without the water quality, the Vietnamese Pangasius that most What people eat is mass produced and prepared for export in modern factories like this one, owned by John's family, there are different opinions, but a lot of people, especially my clients, don't really like the face of a Geisha .

Jong-un is confident that The industry can survive all the criticism if it is really like a body, since it is a bad fish, it is not a good quality fish. You'll see demand in the slums right now, but you can see the opposite is actually increasing right now. to rise and the price to rise, American media reports resulted in the Vietnamese Pangasius being banned in three US states. Catfish farmers were very threatened by the rise of this and the Vietnamese catfish looked at it and said : "Okay, it's a lot cheaper than us and our costs are these and we apply this standard and it must be cheaper and therefore the processes must be bad and you know, I think there was some element of protectionism and in trying to find it or a reason why you know that if it can compete on its low cost it must be made in a bad way, but the cost of production is much cheaper in Vietnam producers say they have survived the smear campaign by targeting markets. closer to home without the US market, we still do well, we have the China market, we have, you know, another Asian market, we have the Middle East market, we basically have the rest of the market on our side. in the world and that is yes, we are not too worried about that, but the Pangasius is not clear, but theQuestions and accusations keep coming, there is a huge risk for all of us in the future in terms of the large number of antimicrobial resistance Professor Chris Elliott leads the Global Food Safety Institute in the UK and is a leader in tackling multinational challenges of food security.

I have not found any reports of people dying or getting sick from eating a gas, but the real problem is what are the long term effects of eating food products not only fish but also other things that are

full

of antibiotics? The industry maintains that international standards are followed in the fish they export, both in fish feed and in any use of antibiotics. contract farmer who supplies wine to Vietnam's largest Pangasius producer, among other companies, says he has to follow strict guidelines, defied open ban, hunger remains until tea company gets more results and high morale belongs to Anatole, he is willing to show us that his fish food is free of harmful substances. ingredients a 10 pack or two wells of kangjun now go back a lot to that book some girl book my damn girl Oh Yahoo no nan catalyzed she came in good with a bad yellow she can take like a block so you're moving leo come on come on terracotta capita It's really not that easy to put antibiotics to put more chemicals inside the fields and sell them, everything is approved by the agency, so it's not like we do it just for ourselves;

However, antibiotic resistance is a growing and very real threat, while large producers say their use of antibiotics is strictly regulated and safe. The world's leading food safety experts are far from convinced that We have this huge problem of antimicrobial resistance and what that really means for all of us is that the antibiotics that we are prescribed for our health and the health of our family are becoming less and less effective. Regarding the reason for this excessive use of antibiotics, however, we have some of these very intensive industries, particularly aquaculture, which depends greatly on the use of said antibiotics, if something really has to be eradicated, it is not just the use of antibiotics which is supposedly harmful In the production of Pangasius in Vietnam there are other disturbing claims circulating mainly on the Internet that hormones from the urine of pregnant women are injected into the Pangasius for lip reading.

This is misleading information because an extracted chemical substance is found in a laboratory. hone says that while hormones are used in the reproduction process, they are made in a laboratory, it is a chemically produced hormone, not a natural one, which may not be as reassuring to many consumers, the hormone allows eggs to be manually removed of the fish. Without water and fertilized, for some the idea of ​​eating fish produced using these techniques is quite disgusting, but is it really harmful to our health? I believe that consumers have the right to know what the dangers are associated with any food they consume. but they must also understand that there is a difference between a danger and a risk and we can see that there are many dangers not only in Pangasius in any food that we can consume, but we have to consume a large amount of those foods for them to become a risk to our health it has been a decade since the first negative reports emerged from the US and the stories have remained alive on the internet and social media, friend mr.

Huizenga in 2016, another damning documentary was made about Vietnamese Pangasius, this time on Spanish television after this Spanish television report broadcast the relentless flow of complaints against Pangasius that led large supermarkets like Carrefour in Europe to simply remove it from your shelves. Dokic the khazzani the movers repeated soup pourquoi a little creatine Seba don calculation UNLV cansu Lisa credit wesson needs a favor the wind is under CL e they obtained in Scalia this French documentary also from 2016 is more measured and raises the question of why pangasius Vietnamese is much cheaper than other white fish the answer is clear that the producers say the price is low because Pangasius can be stocked at very high densities as a short reproduction cycle and a mortality rate lowers the seal by raising the gun if the computer voice is adipose please kill more guts by sucking come on sir it's easy to do but the French film continues to make the same accusations that before the Mekong River was highly polluted fish were raised in conditions dirty and drugs were used to control diseases and promote rapid growth, it is a relentless bombardment that is taking its toll, there has been a build-up of these claims for several years and I just think some of the retailers in Europe have said we are tired of having to deal with and respond to some of these complaints by focusing mainly on small-scale producers and their crude methods, say large exporters.

Foreign media reports ignore the care they take to produce fish cleanly, they simply paint a very damaging picture of the entire Vietnamese industry when the skills of the news channel came here and made a strange topic or bad information that we didn't know about it . We didn't know that they were not really on Lee's side, just like the foreign reports about the fire. Chau doc ​​has often been the focus of foreign documentaries and news about the Pangasius industry in Vietnam and is located in what was the heart of the small. Farming pangasius on a large scale using traditional old-style methods, very different from modern large producers such as bin home or go comb their rudimentary farming practices, generated embarrassing images and caused the entire industry to be tarred with the same brush, let me know how much, dad.

He has stopped breeding Pangasius and now runs a wholesale household goods business. The only thriving fishing business here is the farming of another fish, the Lang na, which sells for 10 times the price of the Pangasius, but the Langmuir cannot be farmed cheaply and intensively on the same scale as the Pangasius and as a A delicacy that fetches high prices locally, it is not exported, so it has not been under the same scrutiny. I know that days I'm like a mouse java.lang took us to a small scale a farmer who still raises Pangasius dong Jin dong makes a special food mix for his fish.

He uses powdered glue to bind his homemade pelleted fish food together. It is not an ingredient found in commercial feeds and feeding fish to fish is often criticized as potentially harmful, as is the use of antibiotics to treat diseases, but Dong says he rarely treats his fish with antibiotics. . He does give them medications for lice and other problems, but when we asked him what medications he gave him, he couldn't help. Many critical media reports have been focused on. about these small farmers and their crude production methods without mentioning that small farmers simply no longer export their fish.

Yes, to be fair, you can go anywhere in the Mekong and find fish, shrimp or anything made in your backyard. Somehow, with people smoking, cage diving and pulling, you can still find that today, but none of it is exported, in the last decade the structure and production techniques of the Pangasius industry have changed dramatically to the small farmers with the old ones. Style production methods have been eliminated from the market in the old days, we saw a lot of small producers throughout the Mekong Delta, but what we have seen in the last ten years is a huge concentration of farms, now there are many the processes they have. farms or a very small number of farms, but these farms are large and are industrial and, as a result, the level of control over production both from the perspective of environmental certification and from the perspective of food safety certification has increased dramatically. in the minds of many consumers and why campaigns against competitors can be very effective, but there is a scary new practice involving Pangasius that many of us know nothing about.

Food fraud, as we describe it, can affect many people in many different ways, it can kill you. It can make you sick It can make your family members sick It will certainly mislead you It can be incorrect labeling or misrepresentation of food, tampering with it or substituting it with a completely different product and it is a growing problem, sometimes it will cause you a great feeling of disgust. you are eating things you think this is not right it is not ethically correct it is not morally correct it is breaking my religious principles so it can impact us in so many different ways what I am going to do is test to see if I can distinguish between these two varieties of rice I am using a small portable near-infrared spectrometer.

Professor Chris Elliott heads the Global Food Safety Institute and has been an expert witness in criminal trials over food safety. As you can see now from this Asturias, there are many different ways to cheat in a food system, you can add chemicals and dyes that make it look healthier and better value, and then there is the other type of cheating, which is counterfeiting, so in reality what you are buying is not genuine, nothing is genuine, not even the Food packaging fraud, food substitution or adulteration is the ideal get-rich-quick scheme for criminals around the world . Well, current calculations would say that if you add it up, you could have money made from narcotics trafficking and human smuggling.

It doesn't even come close to the amount of fraud that is occurring and the money being made in our food system. In London on Saturday, the British government held an emergency meeting to discuss the horsemeat crisis in 2013. Professor Elliot led the British government's investigation into the horse. Meat scandal when European consumers were horrified to learn that the beef and pork they had been sold was actually horse meat. The reason for this was the huge price difference between beef and horse meat. Even more worrying is that much of the horse meat was considered unfit. for human consumption, but which was making its way into the food supply system across Europe, Professor Elliot and his colleagues are now waging a daily battle against dirty producers and criminal foresters who try to trick us into buying food that is not They are what they appear to be. the Fisher you eat you often don't know what kind of fish it is, you certainly don't know where it comes from and fish like the Pangasius are ideal for food scammers, it's incredibly difficult to tell the difference between the identical looking Phillips whitefish.

There could be health risks depending on which species is undersold, but in most cases it's actually driven by our cost, so it's more a matter of trading a cheaper product for a more expensive product and then overcharging the consumer Even though Pangasius is commonly sold as

dory

in parts of Asia, it is not related to the much more expensive and high-quality fish called John Dory, which is a saltwater fish found in areas coastal. Most of us have little or no idea what we are getting when we buy fish. This way even the staff at fish restaurants seem to be confused about what they sell, it's the normal freshwater fish, the fish is a Philip, wish me luck, oh it slips, said one, please send it to pathology, we remove that skin.

As far as we can see, m soda is increasingly implicated in food fraud. Low-cost fish that replaces very high-value fish around the world. Tests have shown that up to 20% of fish are mislabelled and wrongly sold as being of a different, higher quality, the arrival of new micro-testing technology should lead to a crackdown on fish. Foster's forget the DNA sequences and then you will be able to tell what type of species it is because different animals will have unique DNA sequences that we Set up an experiment to find out how much fake fish there really is when we buy food in stores, supermarkets and restaurants, we ultimately have to trust the food suppliers and hope that they really give us what we have paid for.

But sometimes that confidence is misplaced, error in food labeling is a serious problem and is appearing in many countries. rudolf meyer directs the evolutionary biology laboratory at the national university of singapore, although it has already been done in europe, it has been done in some

asia

n countries and Generally, what you find is that, in terms of seafood, between 5 and 20% of the samples analyzed are mislabeled. Surprisingly, no testing of the level of seafood fraud has ever been donein Singapore so far, working with Rudolf and his team, we created a We experimented to find out that we bought one hundred samples of seafood and sushi from randomly selected supermarkets and stores across Singapore and brought them to the University for analysis.

We take portions of them and freeze them to make it easier for us to work with them. You already know everything. The information on what the sample is written on here, so this is what I will use to then take some samples to extract DNA from our fish like Pangasius, which is passed off as Phillips identical looking but much more expensive, so before to start processing. For them, what I have to do is write down which sample goes into which tube for extraction because after this you will not be able to even see the pieces of tissue that you use, in very minuscule quantities. of meat is to determine if these fish, what stores claimed they were, Global seafood sales hit a record in 2017 for everyone buying and eating more fish in the pursuit of healthy living, but as we buy more , there are more opportunities for scammers to scam us. it's defrauding the consumer, I mean, it goes as far as taking skates and using a hole punch and making holes in the skates and then selling them as scallops, which of course is the skate is cheap, the scallop is expensive, but a lot of consumers They still don't know the potential. fraud Singapore has very strict controls on food safety and is at the forefront of regulation to combat food fraud, but around the world few countries can claim to be scam-free: we are putting the food you eat to the test, They have been using genetic testing to identify how many seafood products are mislabeled in Singapore, which is why what we did was called DNA barcoding.

This is essentially amplifying a genetic marker to obtain some type of species identification of any type of secret product. We are now trying to assess how many seafood products are mislabeled and even world experts admit they can be misled. It may be difficult for all of us to understand how we can be fooled, but we think we know what we are doing, so I am pretty sure I have been fooled. as many times as other people have done it and that happens more often as the fish has already been strained or frozen it becomes increasingly difficult to identify the fish itself but the most common fraud and that is the problem with fish like Pangasius are very rarely sold as whole fish, so we have been looking for a supermarket product.

Mucho felice, as well as some sushi, are related products that we are seeing interested in mystery seafood, more mislabeling, so it would be more interesting in some ways and looking at processed or slightly non-whole fish, where the chances of mislabeling They are not as high once you have cut the fish down to the filling it loses its identity, the more specific a particular texture or flavor is the harder it is to fake it so when it comes to a generic white fish. I think it's very likely that they replace it quite regularly or use it as a replacement fish quite regularly, but I don't think it's known to what extent it is used on the streets of Singapore.

I had rarely heard of fishing fraud, but I was surprised when we told them I think it's in the fish, it's not the fish. I think it's amazing: can you really find out what's really in the food you're eating as food fraud grows? Institutions around the world are using new technologies to combat it. Chris Elliot and his team at the UK's Global Security Institute are at the forefront of the battle. We all have a unique digital footprint. Law enforcement agencies will use those fingerprints to find perpetrators of crimes and lock them up. We're playing exactly the same guy. of technology to our food detective work because actually each type of food also has its own fingerprint, so like any other food, fish has an individual fingerprint that can be identified using this technique, so When I enter the fish sample a switch occurs that produces smoke. is instantly transferred to the mass spectrometer, it is difficult to distinguish one whitefish from another, but globally a database of fish fingerprints is being developed that will allow researchers to identify them immediately.

Professor Elliott and his team have yet to establish the distinctive fingerprint of Pangasius, but when tested in their laboratories, they can instantly tell which filler is called and which is atypical or strange to Pangasius in a few seconds using our nice fingerprinting technique. fingerprints that will tell you what species of fish it is and will also tell you a lot of other information, if someone tried to add some chemicals to it or someone tried to fill it with water, our fingerprints will tell us that these new technologies will become more and more effective as the Databases become more complete, allowing different fish to be identified, but in the meantime, fishery fraud can only become more lucrative as the market grows.

The mislabeling rate based on this experiment is between five and ten percent. From the hundred samples we provided, scientists were able to collect 77 testable DNA sequences. Seven of them were found. as fraudulent we discovered that Kaplan Row is sold as prawn flounder is sold as halibut Indian halibut is sold as soul Pacific salmon is sold as Atlantic salmon and Pangasius is sold as Tommen or giant snakehead, a much larger fish expensive Pangasius is known to replace other seafood products on the market the product was cauldron manufacturer dr.aman but was actually genetically tested to be a fog bone, they are considerably different this is a clear case of incorrect labeling of the Tommen's body in a subsequent test showed a mixed reading but it is inconclusive and the sample could have been contaminated after the first test.

The process is not yet foolproof, but that is why fish fraud occurs and is difficult to detect. Replace the snakehead with a cheap fish like Pangasius or Tommen, an expensive delicacy based on our experiment. It seems that up to 1 in 10 of the fish sold in Singapore may not be what they think it is, is it edible or not, is it a treatment, is it wrong to lie to people in today's business, well, not a surprise for me. Because people are chasing money, this is something we should be concerned about. I'm afraid the answer is yes, because it is happening.

It's happening. If you buy food at the price, it's too good to be true. Don't buy into the seafood supply chain. It's incredibly long and complicated, so it's often difficult to determine where the mislabeling occurred: is it at the supplier, distributor, or retailer? Pangasius farmers like John recognize the problem, but say there is little they can do. They don't use the names of the MOSFETs they catch to sell cheaper quality fish. but what they call outside is the internal difference once you sell the product to a customer, it is their right of possession, they can do whatever they want once it leaves the factory in Vietnam, producers say they cannot prevent fraud consumer, you can't. tell them oh you have to sell this to this customer, you have to tell this to this channel, you have to do it like this, you can't do it right but your responsibility is to sell, the customer doesn't pay you and instead the customer decides to do what want. with fish, so if we are in this scenario we are a little helpless, you have to wonder where that name change comes from.

It certainly doesn't come from the Vietnamese who sell it as salt, it comes from REIT suppliers in the consumer markets who are relabeling that fish despite all the controversies, the

truth

is that we need fish like the Pangasius, it's just the kind of cheap and nutritious protein essential to feed a constantly growing and increasingly hungry world. The Pangasius is an Asian aquaculture success story and I think the rest of the world needs to give it a little more credit for being such an important source of fish. If it had produced such high levels of efficiency, does that mean there are no problems with the industry at all like any food production system that exists?

There may be concerns, but the point is that we have institutions that are able to address and address those issues as they arise and Vietnamese producers are confident that they have enough customers to stay in the market, no matter what, we are still here. I kept them at that time some people some people who don't like it some people who don't know some cases who will fear that okay I wouldn't eat this but if the people who are already eating it know how good the product. they say no, there is nothing wrong with the product, we continue buying and yes, then we have the law for your customer, we have the law for your market, in the end it all comes down to consumer knowledge and choice.