The dangerous Qanon cult tearing families apart with conspiracies | 60 Minutes Australia

In the history of 60 Minutes, I'm not sure we've ever reported a story that's mostly pure fantasy, but that's how it best sums up an ever-changing mega-conspiracy theory that's bizarre and nonsensical, however eccentric whatever. However, millions of people appear to be trapped in the internet-based

cult

, including more and more Australians, and that means there are

dangerous

real-world consequences that demand the rest of us stop scratching our heads in disbelief and start take serious note of it. q anon you want to free yourself it's easy follow the sign if q1 was a movie script it would be too far fetched the world is currently witnessing the largest mass betrayal event in living history the world ruled by a cabal of profiteering satan worshiping elites of children and reap their blood with Donald Trump, our only savior, ready to defeat the forces of darkness, they risk their lives to achieve this victory against the greatest force of evil the world has ever known and that is just the beginning, that's just the theory based on the headlines.

It goes much further than that to discover the names and faces of the agents of the cabal who have conspired to destroy our republic and bend us to their will to what extent does the German Chancellor Angela Merkel go, is the natural daughter of Hitler, there are theories that donald trump is a time traveler aliens any conspiracy theory you've ever heard including many you haven't found a home and a signal or not but I mean you couldn't have believed those things I surely got to the aliens jatasta deja is an ordinary guy who fell headlong into this extraordinary world an economics student who for two and a half years lived and breathed the ultimate conspiracy theory in all its insanity chittarth how is it possible that a guy from the suburbs of Sydney ended up in a rabbit hole that I was very disconnected from?

I think reality and I was just looking for answers and that's how I found q and that's how it was all day every day it was like Kunan was my job basically you become like that crazy homeless man on the street screaming about judgment day and just make a fool of yourself at all these parties, right, no one wants to talk to you, people say, oh, that's weird, what are you doing right? It all started in December 2017, when Jatath was struggling to finish his career, he became socially isolated and attracted. to the

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that spin online stumbling upon cuenon, fell in love with him, hook line and sinker, people have heard the same thing about kiron like this cabal of elite pedophiles and satanists, blah blah blah, it's very, It's a very dark world, you thought politicians were pedophiles, yes, especially. you know, after jeffrey epstein, jimmy savile too, um, i definitely thought there was an elite cabal of pedophiles, you know, this is almost like an existential battle between good and evil, like angels and demons, it's just a fantasy , true, this is not real, it is not, but then.

Of course you don't like what you do, but how could you believe it? How could you believe in something so fantastic? What you do is you want something to be true. You want someone to save us to understand how someone can believe in the incredible. You first. We need to understand how q anon works and how seductive this parallel world can be q anon is a

cult

-like conspiracy theory that holds that a member of military intelligence is using a variety of message boards to leak clues about an upcoming purge. of the deep state. You've already lost me.

It's a little difficult to keep up. Any time you spend any time talking about this in any depth, people immediately glaze over and that's one of the reasons it's been so hard to get people. take it seriously because it's so strange Mike Rothschild is a prominent conspiracy theory writer and researcher who spent the last year trying to make sense of it all. Kulan can go as crazy as you want if you want to believe that, huh. joe biden is a clone if you want to believe john f kennedy jr has been hiding in a bunker for 20 years if you want to believe the earth is part of a galactic federation of light that is there for you that's why we have the good guys in control about the nsa they started the q intelligence dissemination program to invoke a grassroots online movement that came to be called the great awakening q anon's original prophecy is that donald trump is going to unleash a purge and mass arrest of the pedophile cabal he runs well the world Donald Trump can't do that anymore, but they're not going to stop believing that soon they've gone too far, they've sacrificed too much, this is too much a part of who they are Get away from this, save our children.

It is impossible to calculate precise numbers, but millions of people are believed to be trapped in Kyonon's outlandish beliefs. There are people on Humanon who are really only concerned about children. There are people in Cunanan who really hate Hillary Clinton. and there are people who want to overthrow the government, so it appeals to almost everyone and really almost anyone can be absorbed into it. We will look at it over the next short period. Incredibly, it all comes from a single casual comment. made by donald trump in october he was at a 2017 dinner with a group of uniformed military brass and he said maybe it's the calm before the storm this could be the calm before the storm what could be um it would come before the storm storm and the press said: what are you talking about now?

He wasn't really saying anything, that's what Donald Trump did as president, he just said things, but people wanted there to be a storm, people wanted there to be punishment for enemies and it became popular. Quickly because of that, on forums in the darkest corners of the Internet, vague and cryptic messages began to be posted supposedly by a mysterious figure known as q. Crumbs of information were shared and deciphered by an online army eager to interpret their meaning, it was like A Tom Clancy novel was happening right outside your door and people wanted to be a part of it by generating increasingly outlandish explanations for what was really happening.

Followers think of themselves as geniuses like they're playing this high-level 5D chess that Donald Trump also plays, but the reason Q is so complicated is actually the same reason why a lot of conspiracy theories are really complicated. The more details you add to something, the more real it sounds, such is the idea that the rest of us are ignorant if we don't understand. Yes, the rest of us are asleep, but the people who want to wake us up don't want to hurt us, they want to teach us, they want us to join them and that is one of the most attractive things about Anon. this idea of ​​secret knowledge this idea that I know something that you don't know powers conspiratorial thinking so much all it wants you to do is think for yourself and expand your thinking and discover it for yourself and I don't see There's nothing wrong with that turbo burdened by fears over the undercover q anon has found fertile ground here in

australia

between good and evil, attracting believers from all walks of life michelle gilman is a working single mother who raised two children in the early days of cuenon in the At the age of 51, she headed down the rabbit hole into a labyrinth of unconventional thinking where nothing is as it seems, once I discovered an alternative narrative, it really started to change shape, I think there are What there is, 4,953 reference messages and you worked. through each one of them, I have read them all, yes, and I have heard someone interpret each one of them, so for you, q is a person who indicates more than one person and I think it is a team of people with very high level of intelligence clearance and that comes with some of the publications that hugh has published it's time to investigate for yourself you will find many things among them with the dedication of a scholar michelle has studied this alternative reality forming her own world view very Unlike society in general, it probably makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist and I'm very happy to use that label if people want me to be one, but are you a conspiracy theorist?

No, I just believe in questioning. I was always a little suspicious. about 9/11, so don't think 9/11 happened, oh, I guess I don't know if it happened or not, it hasn't been proven in any way, I don't know who the people were that blew up planes in um, the assassination of john jfk the assassination of jfk jr do you think there was a deep state conspiracy behind it i think there is a group of deep state people behind it yeah this could get me in big trouble you know what it gives us being on television talking about this type of stuff why um well because there are a lot of people who don't want that information to come to light.

It may have started as an online conspiracy, but Kyonon's shockwaves have already spread far beyond the virtual world. his supporters lead the assault on the US Capitol building, kidnappings, murder plots and assassinations have been linked to fanatics, including this Nashville bombing on Christmas Day carried out by a man convinced that the The world is controlled by a race of reptiles disguised as humans. We know that while we may say it's foreign to Australia, it's not, it's here and there are people here who believe these things. Nick Caldis is a former senior police officer who is worried about what could happen here in Australia.

The patriots are trying to free themselves from the prison of the mind that was created for them, the authorities now not only have to recognize what a threat it is, but they also have to act, you can no longer ignore it. I think we've obviously seen right-wing extremism and really shady conspiracy theorists before, but the magnitude and scope and their ability to influence people is probably unprecedented, so it's no longer just a very fringe group that's targeted. You can dismiss it and say, well, they're just a bunch of crazy people, they're having an impact and I, for a moment, don't.

There is no doubt that there are some people in Australia who could ultimately move from rhetoric to some form of action, as Nick, a counter-terrorism expert, sees strong parallels with Islamic terrorism and believes we need to monitor q immediately with similar vigilance in case the police are treating q and the same way they would treat a terrorist organization, I would say yes, simply because they are able to inspire commissions and encourage others to do things in support of them or their believes. It's alarming when you think that a fringe conspiracy theory can get to the point where it absolutely becomes a global threat and we see them in terrorism, where many people who inspire others to do these things are not prepared to put themselves in danger, but They are happy to send kids and suicide vests to go and do it on their behalf.

I wouldn't put that kind of self and selfishness aside from q anon, I think they are very capable of doing it. Trump supporters are not violent people. The human supporters accused. They are not violent people. They did what happened. in the capitol doesn't seem violent to you, um, yeah, it was pretty scandalous, but there's a lot of things, um, there's a lot of things that aren't told, you know, there's a lot of things that aren't told, Michelle Gilman sees Qnon as a force to the good It's not evil, she believes we all need to wake up to what's happening around us and the threat posed by what she calls the deep state.

These criminals are also known as the deep state or cabal because of how they control things behind the scenes. The states are the elites of the world, they are deep states, the people who have all the money, look at what they have planned for the world, a world government without borders or sovereignty, they are going to try to take away people's freedom of expression. They are trying to take away people's freedom of expression. people's right to protest, so when you say people's speech is being suppressed, you feel like you're being silenced. I don't think anyone is intentionally silencing me, but we're hesitant to speak up because um people think you're crazy you know and you think you're crazy no, I don't think I'm crazy I just think I know what I know and you know I'm pretty confident in the information. that I have They have given me so thank you.

Crazy dream. I don't think I really knew what Q was for a long time and then yeah, I had to start looking into it a little bit more and I was like, "Okay, actually there's a lot of things going on here, there's a lot going on, Michelle's daughter, Charlotte, she's had to do a lot of research herself to understand her mother's new views on a world where Donald Trump's political rivals harvest children's blood. I was like, oh, so you don't really think this. that's right and she said no, no, it actually happens if you do the research and you look into it, and I was like, "Okay, yeah, something much bigger than I had anticipated.

It's really not every day that you find out." Your mom believes that there is youth serum distributed to higher powers secretly you guys seem like best friends, yes that's her, my mom, my best friend as her only daughter, Charlotte has always been very close to herMom, I think we're definitely closer than most moms. and daughter, sure, but question 1 has taken a toll on their relationship, she's almost like she creates a different realm, like she's a different reality, to the point where I got frustrated because it's like I can't really have a conversation with you because we can't just agree on the basics of what's going on, we would argue, we would have arguments and sometimes they would hate them a little, sometimes they would get really angry and she would shut it down, we would shut it down.

I think it was about two or three months before the elections. I thought we were done, that I didn't need to talk to you until this was over and even before that, every conversation we had ended with me yelling or crying or this. or that you just don't know anything anymore. It's like my mom could fall for this shit, so what hope is there for the rest of us? Jatath Jadeja knows firsthand the impact Qnon can have on relationships with others and how the isolation that comes with it can become cruel. The qnon cycle only adds to that because it separates them from society, from their family and friends.

There are parents who have threatened their children and kicked them out of their home. There are decades-long marriages that have broken up. You know,

families

are losing their loved ones to this. theory this crazy worry they have already lost hundreds of thousands they have already lost like it was an epidemic I am grateful that you came out of this I am very grateful I am not sure how it happened I feel like I dodged a bullet that came from the darkness into the light jatath it happened two years and a half trapped in qnon's clutches before he finally got out quite unexpectedly it was all thanks to donald trump there was a straw that broke the camel's back at a time when he was probably about to teeter on the edge essentially someone asked him a q to have trump repeat a phrase to demonstrate some kind of connection between q and trump and the phrase was tip top tippy top shape four months later, donald trump used that phrase in front of white The house is special and we keep it in top condition, a We sometimes call it Tippy Top Shape.

I thought, wow, this is a unique phrase. I had never heard that phrase before, right, that has to show some kind of connection, it was only until much, much later, when I looked a little deeper, that's something that Donald Trump says, he says that from time to time it's like a personal slogan of his, my clubs are in optimal condition, it has to be in optimal condition, everything was in optimal condition. -above, it was the obvious manipulation in this that someone had to pick up on the fact that Donald Trump says this phrase, I like Tippy Tap, to find a way to use it to slide into this kind of conspiracy as proof that he was almost Genius , it really was genius and I looked at that and I thought I've been manipulated here, it's so obvious I've been manipulated, so that was my moment and in a way yeah, I felt like the world was crashing down on me and I threw it away.

Every single conspiracy theory I've heard these days, Michelle and Charlotte have made peace and I missed you, although they tried to avoid too much political discussion and agreed to disagree about their very different world views, so you've been able to find this piece, but ultimately you still believe in the sign, you still don't agree with your mother's great opposite, yes, completely, um, on the opposite spectrum, really, um, yes, I still think they are cheating and I'm excited to be proven wrong, is there any part? Of you who are wondering if you've been misled a little here, yeah, and I'm very, and you know, I've had that conversation with Charlotte, it's like I'm wrong, I'll know, I'll declare that I'm wrong.

I'll admit it and, but you don't think you are, I know I'm not, I really know I'm not liked by Deja has seen Kuan Onon from both sides and sees the world as a much nicer place without

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in his life, But with Trump's chances of fulfilling the prophecy of what his followers call the storm breaking, he worries about what might happen next if Australians were alarmed, yeah, well, one hundred percent, why wouldn't they be alarmed? ? Kunon has only been around since October 2017, that is. not even four years and now millions of people around the world are suffering because they still think that this plan is going to be implemented and that Donald Trump is in control if they become the storm if they start to think that they need to achieve this end of the world, imagine what you could do Hi, I'm Sarah Arbo, thank you for watching 60 Minutes Australia.

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