Teflon Sean on Beating 9/10 Murders, Alpo, Wayne Perry, Rayful Edmond (Full Interview)

not guilty of first degree murder and, uh, the jury mistrial for second degree murder, it was an unfortunate situation, man, where a man, um, got into his own person, a businessman, got stabbed and that's what was fine, so according to the report, they arrested you because there was a witness who said that you were the one who did it and that he had known you for two or three years, but during that time the witnesses were not very reliable, so What happened to that particular person? The witness who took the witness ended up he ended up being a victim herself afterwards, what do you mean she ended up being a victim of her um her cold rape?

You know, I mean in the neighborhood, like not. That was not written. rule like you don't even have to turn on, I don't count, that's just something that when you leave the house you knew you shouldn't do it, you knew you knew you shouldn't tell anyone before you left the house, even your aunts. your uncle is your grandmother, mother, someone when you have a brother or a little cousin and they do something wrong and one of your older relatives hits you on the head and says, don't tell anyone, so that's when you find out for the first time. before you leave the house you don't say that so when you had it and these types of environments, someone who is telling the wolves will be on you because now you can't be in a neighborhood anymore if they know that you'd rat them out, they know you're a rat, they don't want you around, you can't be around them or they'll exile you from that neighborhood and if that's the only place you know, that's the only place you grew up.

Bad where are you going to go if someone kicked you out of Montana where are you going you can't go to any neighborhoods so when you try to come back I'll rat you out you'll end up in a dumpster well you're not getting over that case but the police were really about You at the time, the court documents described him as a drug gang thug with a reputation so terrifying that few people would dare testify against him, so then we delved into all the other cases, the court documents also described as a feared. enforcer and hitman on the streets around Montana Terrace, almost all of the crimes he was involved in occurred within walking distance of the complex, so the police were really out to get him at this point, the fact that he made it past the first case they didn't. surrender, what are your interactions with the courts and police like at this point?

It was um, they had built a double sick vendetta against me, man, because you know the level of success. I guess you could say we reached it. the game of joy and no one would ever give information about it, so every time my body falls or if my name was mentioned before in the same breakfast it is a murder, then they automatically assume that I had something to do with it if not Did he do it If he did or does he know anything about it How many

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in total did they try to implicate you in 10 10 Well, there is a situation where you are acquitted of a charge in which they say you tried to kill a man who had implicated him in a murder, but the victims, witnesses familiar with the reality of life on the streets, consistently refused to testify against him for fear of his alleged reputation for violence. a key witness to a homicide that implicated you in a police

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Badu actually refused to take the stand and say he would rather go to prison for life than testify against you, so I guess In the rare case where he was charged with perjury and sent to jail because, even though he made a statement against himself, he refused to take the stand and repeat that statement, right? Can you talk about that? I mean, you know he's um, he was an unfortunate man that he had to be put in a difficult situation at home, no one, but um, I give him. props for you know, trying to right this wrong, trying to right the wrong he made by implicating me in this murder, you know, I mean, I still don't know, I still don't know, I don't know, no, Dennis, I still didn't have nothing to tell him. him, but I respect the fact that he knew he was wrong and tried to correct that mistake by not being honest and taking that time to commit perjury.

Well, finally the jury deadlocked and they finally gave you $25,000 bail, how? How long were you locked up and you got that bail two years in a row? Well, how did it feel to be away at that time? I didn't come out, oh, when they gave me bail, um, I was in the process of paying a bomb. and um, they rushed out and got it, I won't, I'll never want another murder, okay, so in the next seven months you were arrested two more times, then you had a firearms charge that you were acquitted of and then at the beginning of July.

In 1990 they said you were involved in the shooting the month before, which the witness recanted, so once again there was a witness who said you did it and then they changed their story. Well, he talked about it being like I say. It was pressure from the man on the street, you know, I mean, it was like the police getting these people in the Homicide Division to turn down the presets and listen to them these statements, they co-host statements, um and they pump fear. on them and then once they get back into the community and realize the damage that these police officers put them in the danger that they put their lives and their families' lives in, then that's where you know you get the summaries or the statements and the changes. and all well and good, finally with the whole Cook case, the judge dismissed it with prejudice, meaning you can never be charged with it again, regardless of the evidence that comes up later.

How did it feel to beat that murder charge? My name is um. It was a big relief, man, was it a heavy burden lifted off my shoulders because I was young? I was 1718 years older when I faced a level of uncertainty about my future that I couldn't. Could not. I understood the moment. I didn't know what awaited me, so when I defeated him, it was a burden, it was a heavy weight that was lifted from my shoulder. I felt relieved. Okay, but it didn't end there. So, there. There were more charges, there was a weapons charge in Washington that led to a mistrial and dismissal and there was another one in Maryland where you were found guilty, right?

I assume you were arrested in the 2400 block of 14th Street and found hiding in a car. and I found a gun, the club in the glove compartment, right, but then you're acquitted on that gun charge, how does someone find you? How do the police find you in a car with a gun and then you win that case, I mean foul? of evidence, you know my fingerprints were not on the gun, the gun was in the Department loved in a flash and, I mean it could have been in the back seat at the time, so know that I had the experience of my good lawyer, Mr.

Bernard Grimm, you know he was able to, you know, get me a deserter in that case. He was able to perform in a courtroom at a level where he proved that this weapon was not. So, did you hire lawyers during that time? Or were these public defenders? Yeah, um, I had a lawyer, Bernard Grimm. Well, at the end of the day, how much money did you spend on legal fees? Maybe close to 100 pay. Okay, so in June of 1990, this guy named Vincent Knight was shot. in the 3100 block of Rhode Island Avenue and he said you did it, they charged you with assault with a dangerous weapon but then they dropped the charges when Knight said it wasn't you, yeah tell me about that situation, I mean Vincent Knight was a red. man, you know, I'm Vincent Knight, I'm like a good brother, a good friend of mine who I love like a brother and I tried.

I love it and I try to give it a mix. Make sure it was. to court and told people the truth about what happened with that situation and that you know the wrong person is locked up for that and he said he would do it. I'm tired, come so he can go to court and make them. changes in the courtroom, he didn't do it, you know, they gave him a bus so he had to retract it later, yeah, okay, so in February of 1991 they accuse you of carrying a weapon that they say was a submachine gun and This trial ended with a deadlocked jury and the gun possession charge was dismissed, right?

How did you beat that one? He's a you know, I mean, it was like he saved my ass. The lack of evidence. A shitty prosecutor job and an incredible twist. Well, then July. 1991 Nathaniel Matthews is shot to death, a suspected contract murder for cocaine. He was shot near an outdoor basketball court. They accuse you of what happened with that case. It was um, I was uh, I was acquitted. Okay, put that as proof enough one more time, yeah. in a good lawyer, then there is the Glenn case of July 92, I told the police that you threatened to kill your family and that you had an obstruction of justice case against you, which was once again dismissed after that the woman changed her story.

What happened there? That's what happened. Oh, while I, for the record, did not threaten anyone's family, you know, I mean, that was just a plot and propaganda by the authorities to try to arrest me on that charge and I just have to withhold the bill. They're piling up cases on me for other things, they were just trying to give me all the streets, okay, and you're not getting over that case well, then there's the Michael Green situation, so I'm guessing this involved you and someone close to you. friends, so tell me what happened with that, well, I don't know Mike, I never, I didn't know Mike, you know, around the time we went to this particular neighborhood, I went to see a friend of mine that I'm you know , collect some money and in the process of getting this money, Mike crosses the street and says something to a friend of mine who was with me.

Now I know that a friend of mine who was a woman can give herself like that and on Saturday I was playing so when I was getting into another conversation with the guy who told me that my money was short so I had an attitude about it like, man, you had too much time to give me my money and you playing around and you're still safe with my gun in your hand and you might end up making a comment to me about having this gun in your hand and before I can even respond or react my co-defendant ends up shooting Mike and to the head, so both.

Some of you are on trial, but there are witnesses who say they did well in part because you are a witness. Well now in all these other cases, the witnesses would be afraid to recant, they changed their story, they wouldn't show up for trial or whatever, but this time this witness actually stuck to his story, this witness was locked up and they dragged him out. from the county jail, he was there in Virginia and they took him to the courtroom, put him on the stand and this guy went up there and made up this story. and he lied to me, everything he testified that I did was actually what someone else did, but at the end of the day I know he's lying, he knows he's lying, but the jury doesn't and throughout the entire process of that trial when the the case seemed like it was falling apart the judge uh reset the jury for the weekend it was Friday reset the jury for the weekend told him to ignore any media coverage of this case because they are reporters in the courtroom and while I was deliberating Sunday a newspaper article appeared on the front page of the Washington Post, not in the Metro section, on the front page of The Postman, you read it, you see this photo and they label me as the Teflon suspect in that moment, that's what that title and me are about. called Teflon comes from where I didn't understand its name and it was a badge from the media and a prosecutor's office for the UM to convict me of this crime throwing cases there all the cases you mentioned that I was acquitted of and won This was the only way that They could leak this information to the jury: by putting it in the newspaper, they couldn't mention it and quote it because I was acquitted in light of everything they acquitted me or dismissed, so they couldn't present it.

I put it in quotes, so the only way they can get this information to this jury is to spread it through the media, so once they read it, you know me, they came back to court on Monday night. tomorrow and they found me guilty. Well, now there have only been two other people. They used to be called Teflon, there were John Gotti and Ronald Reagan, right, and now they essentially call you Teflon Shawn, right? Defeating the other nine

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you defeated was largely in the movies, of course, certainly in my opinion, and in this particular case, you didn't commit the murder, but your friend did, and he actually made it out. without charges or convictions.

Right now, after you were convicted, your friend really tried to help you correct, let's talk about it. He, he, gave me a sworn written statement and he didn't want to testify. I understand that, I didn't do it, that he was the one who did it. and they convicted the wrong man for now, explain to me why someone who just got away with it literally would write a piece of paper to say no, I'm the one who committed the murder, give me 25 years to life in prison or whatever the sentence is. So I will never see my family again.

He was um he was a cold man it was a cold that we endured and lived and died in these streets and like I say once you violate that cold you can. Nosaved life, who knows, you know, I mean, but no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't change. the thing and I don't regret it I don't regret it I live with you you know what I have done and I said the consequences of what happened to me for what I did or what I didn't do you know me because while I was incarcerated, you know, I was able to learn many skills, I was able to know to a lot of good people there, you know, I got my associate's degree in that with a number one in Congress on the streets, you know, I mean, I wrote I wrote a book, I wrote screenplays, I design clothes, you know, I'm a dental assistant, you know, I mean, I became a concrete polisher and like I said, I got my degree, so a lot of those things I was able to do. achieve while I was incarcerated I probably never would have done it if I was on the streets well, in the end you were convicted because of a snitch and even though it wasn't you who did it, snitching is what landed you in prison, right?

Someone else snitched . That's right, and I remember when I

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ed Freeway Ricky, he was also sentenced to life in prison at one point and he ended up

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him up and getting out, but he says something interesting, he said that when he first got locked up he was upset, you know? this guy who was his foil for whom he made millions of dollars ratted him out and then once it wore off he realized that when it comes to the drug game you have to accept this niche as part of the drug game, so if you are going to sell drugs you have to know in advance that at some point someone will tell on you and that will probably end up imprisoning you.

That's a good way I'm a highway. Rick looked at that, but yeah, that comes with it. I know it definitely comes with that, you know, I mean, but there are consequences that come with those actions too, so if you're going to violate this code and not become a snitch, then you have to accept that those consequences come with those. actions too, it's just the way the game is man and if you take the player to that level you can't be forced you just have to deal with it you have and insert consequences man you have to let it go. for those stocks when you look here, for example Takashi six nine, who talked about the nine Bloods trades and ended up getting all these football numbers.

How do you feel about that? Because I guess when they convicted you they offered you some kind of deal. They say it's fine. Look, we know you know about other murders and drug deals. Give us a little information and we'll cut out those 25 years. I did not do it. They didn't come to me without any deal. At one point, but when they thought I was going to be paroled and coming out of a professional day, they came to see me on a boat and asked me a lot of questions about some unsolved cases that they told me they could help me get out of. prison, but they didn't know, but they didn't know about my parole situation, so even if I wasn't, you know, on parole, it wasn't anything they could get for me, man, I was willing to let the man, um, will go to bed so i believe it and if it required me to die and when they didn't then so big that's what will be better what's your opinion on the takashi situation and the ninth ray bloods yeah, i mean, whatever, Come on, take me, it's a hat he's a snitch, that's what he is, well you have two kids, how old are they?

Well, now I have one. My son passed away about four years ago. My daughter is 28. Oh, what happened here? Son. My son. He had a seizure and, uh, hit. his head on a thermostat and I kept having these seizures, so why was he having seizures, he had a blow to the arm right after that and when the coma never came out of it, was he locked up when that happened? Yeah, it wasn't good, it was. At the end of my bed, I soon found myself with a father who gets that kind of news in prison because you can't even go to the funeral right now.

I'll tell you, man, you know, I learned a lot from that experience. about the empathy of that experience you know I'm serious because nothing I don't care how much I've been through in my life with no experience what I saw what I did but didn't do was money I had I mean cars I had none of that angry at the man nothing That mattered and nothing she could prepare me for the pain I felt losing my son, so I learned a lot about empathy and realized the damage and pain I caused and other people cause to these mothers and their fathers who their kids were gun violence laws, you know, man, so with me feeling like that, I changed my way of thinking and I came home and got what a show got out of this. program called the car mr. and uh we become mentors to these young adults here and we also don't support any initiatives.

It would create a community called father, the fact that these engines liberate DC where we try to stop some of these senseless murders here with some of these kids. killing each other for nothing, so it gave me a purpose to ban it and when my son passed away and I spread that sentiment, it gave me a purpose now to come out here and try to say some of these young people live, man, Best way I can doing it is Weatherby through my experiences or just being a mentor, being a big brother, so to speak, and just educating them about the law, educating them about the consequences of their actions and just trying to motivate them in the right way. man and um tell some lies do you think to that extent you're a sociopath now?

I don't think so, but some people might be fine. You know, when you look back on your history, you know when you're in the middle. scam and you're making money and you're living fast you don't think about the long term implications on what you're doing well you know you moved kilos of cocaine all over DC that turned into crack that was used by the mothers They were probably pregnant at the time , which turned into crack babies, which created a cycle of violence. Entire communities and areas were destroyed and never

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y recovered. People who were murdered. They had children.

They had grieving mothers. They had brothers. They had friends. Things you had. The hand on yourself caused a lot of destruction right when you're doing it, you probably don't care, but 2530 years later, do you think about it and feel any level of regret? Yeah, I feel bad 'cause you know I definitely do, man, 'cause I saw some of my mom friends, you know, get on about it, man. I'm grateful for mine, didn't you know? I mean, but I remember you know I was and I'm cut off. I was in Montana one day man you know they just served they just serve crack through the door through the mail slot in the door and um I remember man uh one of my friends came back and told me I'm another of our friends.

The mother is at the door and she asked. I, what should I do and at that moment you know I didn't have no I didn't have any compassion for crack addicts. He had no sympathy for crack addicts. I just wanted the money, so I told my server, you know? but when I look back at it, man, I'm, you know, I'm completely wrong about that, you know, I mean, because this is someone I knew I grew up with and here's his mom's bike rack for me, so you know when I look back, yeah, I was wrong, man, and I wish there was something I could do to change it, but you know I can't do that right now, but uh, yeah, I feel some kind of something. kind of a feeling of regret, Bob, that if your daughter came up to you and said dad, I want to be like you before.

I'll be the boss of DC. I won't make all the mistakes you made. I'm going to outsmart the law and make a billion dollars, what would you say, man? I would let him know first and foremost, man, that it's not worth it, you know, you know, just look at how my life turned out. and look at the years that I lost, look at the years that you lost to be able to spend with me and to be able to raise you well, you know, I mean, those are opportunities and risks that you take when you enter this game. so you know it's inevitable, it's not a matter of if it's going to happen, it's a matter of when it's going to happen, so one or two things will happen, even you won't lose your life in the prison system or you'll lose your life. to the streets you end up in a box, one of the two, yeah, and that's always been the story over and over again with a lot of guys that have been in your position, all of us said they wish they had gone a different path because they were screaming Because, How many years did you scream before they locked you up?

I had a good career, maybe from '89 to '88 to '92, so four years of living the good life for every year you lived the good life you did. six years in prison yeah, yeah, it's not worth it, it's not worth it, it doesn't balance out, you know nothing Shawn, I appreciate you coming and telling your story. I think a lot of people, especially in DC, have always heard the name. and I've always known bits and pieces, but I think it's powerful that you really put your whole story out there and let people know that you know.

I think it's commendable that you never told anyone that you actually followed the rules, in fact in your time I think most people would have broken down tonight, most people would have instantly talked about who to I could count right then and there as soon as they were handcuffed properly, but in reality you stood your ground and did well for a quarter of a century in horrible circumstances and it sounds like You, you've got your life back, it doesn't sound, you're going to be back soon and we seem like you're helping people too, yeah, you know, we try to do the right thing here, man.

Trying to spy on people, man, and I'll show them that you can come from that life, you can pass the time, but if you don't change your mindset and try to apply some positivity in your life, Dan, you know me, you'll find it. You're not coming

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circle, you know me, so you know, like I say, I've been doing a lot of outreach work and I'm trying to... you know, some classes with some of these young people to teach them, you know how to write. Skills, they keep asking me about my book Money Assassin Mayhem and you know how I wrote it, how long it will take me to write it and how much money I made from us, one of the questions I get from a lot of the younger ones, but I'm, I'm trying to inspire some people to do the right thing, man, you know, I want to thank Mustafa and Yvette Tyreke for the kind of experiment to help me put together this incredible novel for everyone who is enjoying it. story at this point there is a much more detailed version of it in the chaos of murder for money, which I assume is loosely based on your life, right, we are not going to say which part is correct, we are not fine, we will let the reader realize.

Yes, we'll let you realize, we'll let you realize, it's a great book, we read it before the interview and you can click on it and buy it yourselves. I still have an audiobook about it, now we are. I'm working on the audiobook now, as we speak, man, I have a young lady that, um, is going to reinforce, man, which I am, that's amazing, she's great, so I think you'll enjoy the oil, but when you come out and I have the secret. I'm coming out with two songs so I need people to be on the lookout for that and pick up money, murder, mayhem if you ain't got it yet that's what it is man I appreciate you coming in you said you had me man no doubt, peace.