Spies for China's Communist Party could have your data | Under Investigation with Liz Hayes

a superpower addicted to espionage and now it's coming for us why China wants

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begins now good evening I'm Liz Hayes and this is under

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is becoming state property of China they will buy it Lend it, it They will build it or steal it with our three intelligence experts. We

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never seen an authoritarian government with technological power like China. We investigate the Spy Nation. We are facing an authoritarian regime that can reach directly into our rooms. how far China will go to get your information, see what those privacy settings give your app access to with every move you make, every step you take, they are things 20th century

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only dream of and the cyber threat definitive.

AI is like a weapon: a terrorist can use it or a soldier on our side can use it. President Xi Jinping has made it clear that he wants China to lead the world in that ambition: knowledge is power and much of that knowledge comes from SP, the United States. The government is tracking allegations that a high-altitude surveillance balloon was infiltrated and from the parliamentary lobby China is famous for the large scale of its espionage activities. There

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been evidence-based attacks on critical infrastructure and the origin of those attacks has been the Chinese government, but now it is about all our secrets, yours and mine, what we do, where we go, what we think, the

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from our personal lives in a given year, we now collect and produce more data than in almost all of previous human history, from passwords to love letters. credit cards and photographs, each of us carries our deepest secrets in our pockets.

Now you can access people's phones and that is an incredibly powerful access point. Your phone is a surveillance device that you voluntarily carry in your pocket every day. It has applications. Everywhere, everything that collects data about you, where you are from, who you are talking to, what you are buying, is an incredibly rich surveillance device targeting individual citizens and our data gives China extraordinary information about us, giving it the ability to infiltrate our country. lives through social media news in the next 20 years, perhaps before China becomes the dominant global economic power, allowing it to manipulate the way we think about cooperation and partnerships and what we believe.

Why do the rules apply to China but not the rest of the world? global data ultimately gives China control and it already does this in its own country through its intense monitoring that collects very individual information from its people China is a huge country the most sophisticated cities the largest cities places like Beijing Shanghai Shenzhen these places are incredibly connected there are some of the most surveilled places on Earth to remind people: hey, the government is here and you better get in line and join our investigation tonight Paul moer technology correspondent New York Times Global recently lived in China and was an eyewitness of Chinese government Big Brother surveillance.

I counted on my trip in Shanghai, which was about 20 minutes. Some strange cameras I passed along the way, you get an almost complete view of the guy. of people's activity at the street level and it's just a matter of what you want to find and who what you want to see and who you want to track the first notice that we found out about the government trying to buy this type of technology was in 2015. Mua She is also with the New York Times investigative team that exposed China's plans for its vast spy networks that she analyzed.

In the documents that revealed IC surveillance on a massive scale, we discovered that all regions and provinces in China now have this type of technology. On public streets, city after city, province after province, you will find a vast network of interconnected surveillance technology that includes disguised microphones that can record your unique voiceprint even from a distance of 100 to 100 m and cameras equipped with facial recognition software that feed an ever-growing database the camera that's at your face level will identify who you are we say this is paul moer uh we know he's a journalist we know he lives nearby he's walking down the street now he'll also say he's wearing a black shirt and his hair is short and brown and he has blue eyes and a big nose and then when you get to the next intersection and the next face camera will look again and confirm that it's you and then you'll know when they want to click a button and you'll see a map and you'll see where Paul has gone today and he's somehow passively doing the job that you used to need an entire police surveillance team to do.

China has even built and placed on the streets what appear to be thousands of cell towers, but they are not, but rather its most secret surveillance systems, the way your phone works to connect to the nearest cell tower . your phone has some sort of built-in software that you can't really edit, that you don't modify, that just constantly looks for the nearest signals, so what they do is they build what amounts to sort of fake cell phone towers. All over the city you know hundreds and hundreds of these things and when your phone searches for the real cell tower, you will see that the fake one shakes the fake one's hand and says hello, but in that handshake some data is exchanged and those data.

It tells them a couple of different numbers that help them identify your phone number, so in just two steps you have each person's phone number and where they are and that gives you their identity. We're seeing that they're also buying software that can help them connect the data to put together these kinds of very comprehensive personal profiles that include someone's fake information, someone's phone ID, someone's carplay, someone's clothing characteristics. and your social network. New York Times researchers found that China's databases contain a menu list of key identifying characteristics of individual citizens. attributes that can then be filtered out the same way you would use a drop down menu in any type of program or system and they will be matched with your health records or your criminal past or just your um potentially see your online profile and in China everyone knows that the government is always watching and waiting to attack if there is a dissident or a person causing trouble, what they normally do is just install a camera outside your house so you have your own personal surveillance camera, so it's all about overlaying different data sets and data sources together, what takes China's surveillance technology to the next level is its ability to process all the layers of data it collects to create incredibly detailed profiles of people.

They are analyzing different types of personal data and putting them together in the same database. and use algorithms to actually find the people they want to target and we showed later in our research that that's what we should expect China to be able to do with our data as well. I think we should think very carefully and very clearly about the potential threat that exists. and also the differences between a democracy that collects and uses data and an authoritarian government that is addicted to data and has the habit of not only controlling and surveilling its own people but also people around the world, which puts the John's creeps, absolutely, it's definitely creepy. and we have not fully understood what that means, a clear illustration of China's ability to monitor and control its people is found in the northwest of the country, in the province of Shinjang, home of the Wagers, 12 million people, almost all Muslims, if you're talking about the ultimate deployment of highly invasive surveillance technology in China, I would say Shinjang is definitely the first place in China that actually has all of these technologies used in one place.

If you are an expert, nothing is private. I think it's fair to say that the Chinese Communist Party has been using the Weager issue as Exhibit B for much of this technological control. Nearly one and a half million bets are believed to be imprisoned in so-called re-education camps, but it appears that the entire Shinjang province is a state-controlled digital prison. This shows you that you know some of these technologies combined with the authoritarian powers that you know can really be used to turn anything into a prison. The wer population is oppressed in multiple ways. This data surveillance. and oppression is one of them, of course, there is also a lot of physical burial and repression, and China has married those who have run smoothly for a government like China, they operate with a vacuum cleaner, everything until now figure out how to use it more Go ahead, it's the biggest hack of sensitive data held when our private data compromising up to 9 million Australians isn't private at all, we're facing an authoritarian regime that can reach right into our children's bedrooms and our living room , which is worrying for Australians and the next to be investigated.

Our investigation tonight has revealed that China is spying on virtually its entire population by analyzing personal data in ways they

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also use against the rest of the world, including Australia. It's something 20th century

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could only dream of in every possible way. China is collecting our personal data The Australian Cyber ​​Security Center recently identified a malicious intrusion into the Australian Parliament's computer network for a government like China. They operate with a vacuum cleaner. Everything so far figures out how to use it later and that's worrying for Australians in less than a year. Hackers around the world stole the personal data of millions of Australians data breach from Australia's second largest telecommunications company in September 2022 Opus compromised up to 9 million Australians October 2022 Medy Bank hackers had accessed sensitive health data of its 4 million customers March 2023 latitude Financial is the largest hack of a financial institution in Australian history and no matter who is responsible, they can still obtain our data through the dark web or your own hacking network and, according to our experts, has the technology to match.

All that data in very detailed individual profiles, it's not just one database, it's all the databases linked together, which creates a much bigger picture, the sum is much greater than its parts, but often what China knows about us is information that we obtain little. effort to hide Most of us willingly, though sometimes inadvertently, handing over valuable personal data every day of our lives online, but how many of us realize that we could be handing it directly to an authoritarian regime whose leader knows that the best way to control the population is I know all about it, this is unprecedented, we have faced authoritarian regimes before and we have been able to deal with them because they have been at arm's length, but now we are facing an authoritarian regime that it can reach directly to our rooms, to our children's rooms. bedrooms and in our living room and we don't know how to handle that our social media apps Facebook Instagram Tik Tok and dating apps like Bumble and Tinder are direct windows to our closest secret windows that can also open doors to the online offices of the Chinese government.

Spying Network you know we have a rapprochement in Australia and I hear it from my own children that I have nothing to hide okay I'm sorry there are things you want to hide because there are malevolent actors and there are a lot of them some of ours we choose reveal to the public something that we believe is private. Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has apologized after 50 million users saw their personal information exploited. This was a huge breach of trust and I am truly sorry. This happened, the reality is that much of our private data is not private at all After multiple massive data breaches, the private records of tens of millions of people are often placed online for anyone to access, including China's cyber spies, this is what happens when you think It doesn't matter if people have all my information, it actually does matter, it is very important, but for many it is difficult to understand why China wants our personal data face to face.

I'd rather China get my data than Mark Zuckerberg. I don't care what you're going to do with it, look at it, laugh a little, maybe you'll fall in love with me a little. Authoritarian governments in particular are interested in your data because that gives them a variety of different things they can do with it, an effective one. The way China attacks us personally is throughour applications and social networks to push their own propaganda; can influence our news feeds, the posts we receive and click on in August of last year. MAA closed thousands of Facebook and Instagram accounts that were part of a Chinese network.

Political spam network called spamf flage a Chinese disinformation campaign that it calls part of the largest multi-platform covert influence operation known in the world. We are examining facts. I'm not Facebook, Instagram and many other social media apps were inundated with posts from the pro-China spammer. flage Network is all designed to influence the decisions we make, from what we buy to how we vote to ensure those decisions are in China's best interests. There is so much data available, but with smart algorithms you can be very collective about what you pull and you can very carefully target who you want and particular aspects of a person's profile that will be used, really against them.

China addresses audiences on issues particularly where it feels deep criticism, such as China's oppression of its weakest minority. This is a fictitious figure and a fictitious situation by using influential people who scare the Communist Party line who are trying to portray China and in the best possible way I will bring ASB and wise propaganda to account for the damage they have caused. The Chinese government views the Internet as a form of information projection and propaganda, so there is a massive bureaucracy with tens of thousands of people and enormous amounts of software dedicated to controlling what is said on the Internet, removing things they don't want said. , but there is a social media app developed in China that is capable of directly addressing what we can and cannot see is the trending video app popular with a billion people around the world in Tik Tok the idea space is taking form in a way that we have not yet addressed with over a billion users around the world and almost a third of all Australians using the app it is a powerful influence for China, so from Tik Tok's point of view it does not You know what you're not seeing.

Former national security official Alex Capel says Tik Tock is already manipulating Freedom. of information to look for what is happening in China, how they are creating concentration camps and throwing innocent Muslims there. Tik Tok supposedly has a detection tool that tracks a list of sensitive words, some labeled as banned, including criticism of the

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government, its leaders Taiwan and Hong Kong Independence and Tianan Square Tik Tok denies using these banned words to censor posts, but We know that its Chinese owner, Bik Dance, definitely uses such lists. There is a lot of content that is posted on Tik Tok that is essentially banned by Tik Tok moderators, where they will. let's say we're not really going to allow people to see lgbti content, we're not going to allow them to see particular posts that might be about political issues like Hong Kong or Taiwan, you might be able to post it, you might think it's up there, but it's downgraded in terms of search rankings and it's really like material is often suppressed on that platform, so it's misinformation, disinformation and, uh, a censorship, basically, what you're absolutely talking about and we don't see that don't watch it because It's an opaque, highly advanced AI-powered platform that essentially guides you down a particular path and the algorithm behind something like Tik Tok is not neutral.

If you are a company like Tik Tok, to some extent you have the power to do this. control what people see, and in turn, if you control enough of what people see, you will begin to control how they think about the world. Many Western countries, including Australia, have banned Tik Tock on government devices deemed beholden to the Chinese regime. Tik Tock is the Americans' spy. pockets is a claim that Tik Tok firmly rejects. I have seen no evidence that the Chinese government has access to that data. They have never asked us not to provide them, and just last week American lawmakers demanded that Tik Tok have all ties to the Chinese Communist Party, the ruling authority.

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and its leader xiin ping have their hands deep in the internal workings of the company, with devastating consequences for our personal freedoms, the threat is this: do we want to live in a society where some of the platforms that animate our democracy? The power of our economy that supports our social interactions may ultimately be controlled by the next Chinese Communist Party. China told us in the 1990s that it wanted to control the Internet and we laughed about it, not just online, the world around us is becoming more and more constructed. Through Chinese-controlled technology at work and in our homes, we have seen cases of Retribution, how China can see us no matter where we are.

China is trying to overcome, surpass, survive in a way that I don't think we have managed. We are in the head, but that is the next thing that is being investigated. Cybersecurity is the most rapidly changing national security threat facing our country tonight. We are investigating a significant threat to Australia, to our way of life, to ourselves, the threat is this. Do we want to live in a society where some of the platforms that animate our democracy may ultimately be controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, not a war but a cyber invasion of influence and control, there is a massive bureaucracy with tens of thousands of people, huge amounts of software dedicated to controlling what is said on the Internet, eliminating the things they don't want said and if you control enough of what people see, you start to control how they think about the world, as we have revealed the China's ambition to control what is said or censored on the Internet.

The Internet can be seen with its influence campaign on Western social media representatives and manipulation of the successful Chinese app Tik Tok. Its control that China already has over its national Internet using what it calls the great firewall. China told us in the 1990s that it wanted to control the Internet, that it wanted to build the Great Firewall and use the Internet both to surveil its domestic population and to insulate it from Western liberal Democrat views and we laughed at Bill Clinton, then they asked him to the president in the early 2000s what was up with this big firewall China is building and he laughed now there's no doubt that China has been trying to crack down on the internet good luck that's like trying to nail Jello against the wall Bill Clinton with this moment of arrogance, you know, something like that.

Too much pride thinking we're unstoppable, we're unbeatable China is trying to outlast outlast in a way that, uh, I don't think we fully understand, but Western democracies allow Chinese apps like WeChat and Tik Tok to operate freely among the public. in general, but Western social networks RS are blocked in China, so we allow WeChat to operate here, but Western systems like Facebook and Twitter cannot operate in China due to the large firewall that makes it a completely playing field. unequal. so China can influence, it can interfere, it can manipulate, it can exert influence and control, but it does not allow the opposite, even the application it created, Tik Tok, is banned in China, in its place there is a local version called Duan. which is heavily censored and prohibits a long list of topics such as the Tianan Square massacre, the Hong Kong pro-democracy protests and any mention of Wier's oppression in Shin Jang, so we were arrogant, we thought that the United States created the Internet, so we will always represent liberal democratic values ​​and we will control it and that is not the world we live in now and China's online oppression is now reaching far beyond its borders until about 10 or 15 years ago we were seeing things like surveillance in China and Chinese oppression of its own population as something that was strictly domestic now I think it's become very clear that that is not the way China views stability according to cybersecurity expert Dr.

Alex Caples. China's idea of ​​stability includes silencing and punishing critics wherever they are and using the Internet to find them. In tracking criticism of the WeChat messaging app commonly used by Chinese living in the West, we have seen cases of retaliation against people who have used WeChat outside the geographic boundaries of China and then had family members affected inside, as whether they have been harassed or buried in any way. That's um and that's a way to be able to extend that social control beyond the geographic border. We've revealed how China can spy on us online, but there is also a recognized threat from Chinese technology, including consumer products bought by the millions across Australia. like security cameras and drones, the world around us that we live in now is increasingly built by technologies that are increasingly controlled by China or where China is exploiting vulnerabilities to hack into them and take our data to manipulate it and simply not I think I've really recognized that that's the world we live in.

Chinese drones, mainly those made by Da Jang Innovations or DJI, are ubiquitous in Australia, in business and government, the company behind them has deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party and its drones are believed to be being used to track and monitor the weaker population in Australia. There are fears that the same drones equipped with advanced cameras and sensors could be collecting our personal data, including facial recognition information. What really makes China stand out is simply the lack of knowledge. from ordinary people to these systems and the lack of transparency for them this is not a democracy this is the largest and most powerful authoritarian country in the world according to Chinese law the Communist Party can access data and videos collected by any drone d ji, as well as information from Chinese security cameras such as Hick Vision and Dawa, all Chinese companies under some type of Chinese intelligence and security laws are essentially required to pursue their economic objectives along with National Security objectives, so for Hick Vision or any of the types of Chinese companies that operate here in the Western world and are selling to Western consumers, however they abound under those Chinese legislative instruments to support the objectives of the C in February of last year, the defense minister ordered the removal of high vision and da cameras from sensitive government buildings, it is right to be focused In this regard, we must think about the security of our defense state, which is why we are going through the process to remove the cameras that exist.

There are also measures to prevent government departments from using approximately 3,000 Chinese DJI drones, but these drones and cameras are still being used in institutions, businesses and homes across Australia, potentially collecting data on all of us. I thought it was really interesting when the government made the decision to rip Chinese-made surveillance cameras off government property, but they were pretty silent about where they saw risks and where they saw a threat and the problem with that is that if we think about the most of our critical infrastructure in Australia, the power grids, the hospitals, the transport networks that run our economy, most of that is not owned by the government, it is in the private sector, so if there are risks arising from surveillance and potentially vulnerable devices on government property those risks will be elsewhere John, what are Australians supposed to think about this?

Well, we are in a conundrum because we are trying to reconcile two very different polar opposites in which we depend on trade. with China security specialist John Blackland, says Australia is in a double bind having to dance delicately with a financial friend who is also an espionage enemy. We have a difficult situation between what is emerging as a much darker and more authoritarian China under President G than we expected. would emerge we are in some kind of race and perhaps we have been playing turtle against hair. We have not been aware of the severity or scale of the challenge.

Yes, you say, we're in denial, we're in denial, yes, rising. AI is like a weapon that a terrorist can use or a soldier on our side can use. The AI ​​revolution AI means you can analyze more data and make sense of it faster than a human brain, which could change every aspect of our lives. China is doing this now, yes there is evidence that China is using AI to influence and coerce foreign citizens and companies who will be next to be investigated in any given year. We now collect and produce more data from almost the entireprevious human history and it's not just the availability of data it's the fact that we now have the tools to process that data.

What China can do with our personal data right now is deeply worrying, but what it will be able to do in the near future is terrifying. China is trying to overcome to survive. In a way I don't think we have fully understood, China is a world leader in artificial intelligence (AI), the next revolution they warn us about could change every aspect of our lives in the hands of an authoritarian Chinese AI. It could be used to weaponize our personal data. Is AI the game changer? Many seem to think that if we enter the world of AI, the possibilities become very clear.

China can use AI to analyze the vast amount of data it collects from its own citizens and from us. According to cyber intelligence expert Katherine Maner, when it comes to an authoritarian country in a digitalized world where not only does the Chinese government think about the Chinese people and the Chinese citizens they can reach Australia, they can also surveil Australians. citizens, that's where we potentially start to have a problem. AI means you can do all of that on a larger scale, you can do it faster, you can collect, you can analyze more data and make sense of it faster than a human brain, so tonight, where to use?

Google's chatbot with AI called Gemini to investigate in China what type of specific personal data, while search engines like Google rely on keywords. posts and your travel plans that can be used to monitor you How does China collect personal data? Gini says China buys our personal data and even steals it using fake apps. Chinese state-owned companies buy your data from Western social media platforms for which they create disguised applications. we collect your data without your knowledge or consent, unfortunately, criminals, nation states, use applications because they have the keys to our digital Kingdom and they have access to a lot of different information to take advantage of that, yes, oh, I myself is saying. is vilifying his sa and it doesn't end there, how could China employ AI to influence AI?

Gemini reveals how our information can be used against us and our societies to target you with personalized Chinese propaganda and disinformation to launch cyber attacks against Western targets. and individuals manipulation of social media makes it Discord and Division and undermines trust in institutions and Monitoring and tracking people considered a threat to China's national security is a disturbing Revelation so Discord uh division undermines trust uh I can see that what's happening here is creating chaos, isn't it? it's the ability to make nothing true again no there is no such thing as truth yes so researchers call this the fire hose of falsehood you just throw so much rubbish out there that people will be so baffled they don't know anymore what to believe, what is possibly the most dangerous thing we could have in a democracy or even an economy.

Is China doing this now? Yes, there is evidence that China is using AI to influence and coerce foreign citizens in societies and us. I've already seen it happen in Australia. Incendiary posts from fake social media accounts linked to China and potentially created by AI that seek to create suspicion and division were seen in last year's Voice to Parliament debate. Today I announce that the day of the referendum will be October 14. When national security expert Dr Alex Capes and her team at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute discovered that China was actively infiltrating social media using misinformation to influence and create chaos during the voice referendum , there are a variety of types of hostile activity that social engineering can engender.

Engineering is essentially using things that you know, malicious actors may know things that they know that you are likely to click on, and once it's been exploited, everyone on your network is potentially exploited and they just take on a life of their own. . Cybersecurity specialists agree that China's next big threat is Ai Ai is like a weapon that a terrorist can use or a soldier on our side can use. I think it's a challenge for us the connections between computers and the network and the network of networks that has emerged in the last 20 25 years have transformed our lives, made it much more connected, super enabling, super exciting, but also us They have placed us in the space where we are all extremely vulnerable in its most dangerous form.

China could use Ai and the personal data it collects to compromise Australian citizens on a personal level Catherine, what's the worst case scenario, suddenly you have all this information that makes you very blackmailable or controllable, so it could be information about your health conditions, your financial situation, things that you have disclosed to the government as your employer, but you don't want anyone else to know that that is the personal tax, of course, there are also dissidents, journalists and human rights activists, there is a real human rights issue at stake for any of those people whose data has been stolen.

Foreign interference and espionage have surpassed terrorism and are now our main security challenges. How to protect your data. We're all hooked on the great apps on our phones, but that puts us in a space where we're all extremely vulnerable and you yourself recognize that your data matters is valuable and will help us with everything that's still under investigation tonight we've investigated the new thread of our personal data our experts have exposed China's insatiable appetite for information already collects the most intimate details about its own people and then what they do is build what amounts to some kind of fake cell phone towers all over the city.

You know, hundreds and hundreds of these things and we have shown that now China wants ours, so suddenly you have all this information that makes you very blackmailable or controllable, we have revealed your information that China can weaponize against us by using artificial intelligence. AI is like a weapon that a terrorist can use or a soldier on our side can use and that is, according to AI, there is evidence that China is using AI to influence and coerce foreign citizens and societies leaves us wondering how we can protect ourselves and our country. It is important for the national security of our country.

May we be transparent and honest with Australians about the threats we face. The government is now speaking more openly about the cyber threat from China. There have been evidence-based attacks on critical infrastructure and the origin of those attacks has been the Chinese government. Is it an exaggerated statement to say that it is something like a silent invasion? I think it's worth noting that the Australian Government has been very clear with the Australian people that foreign interference and espionage have overtaken terrorism and are now our biggest security challenges. We're all hooked on great apps on our phones, but that's also put us in this space. where we are all extremely vulnerable, other countries and particularly our close allies are also sounding the alarm and want us all to know that protecting our personal data is in our national interest, it's not just like, oh you know, I have nothing to hide, Because, why.

Should I care and I don't? Oh, you know, everything is already spied on, so it doesn't matter, you know the cow is out of the barn, the point is that if you live in a democracy and you care about the future of that democracy you need to. controls and you need controls on these things because in the long run it can become such a powerful weapon and abused in such a way that at some point it will threaten your system and it may not be now, it may not be tomorrow, it may be in 25 years , but the point is that you have to start somewhere, that place is here and now, so right now this is what you can do to protect your personal data.

It's about limiting the permissions you give to apps on your phone that share your location. allow your movements to be tracked by enabling your microphone allow your voice to be recorded apps can disguise themselves as spy so do not download them unless you are sure do not accept cookies you are giving away personal data for no good reason be careful Free public Wi-Fi networks , anyone can set one up and intercept everything you do while you're logged in and use different passwords for all your apps, so if one is breached, the others remain safe. I think it really comes down to, according to our experts, these are the basic steps that everyone should follow look at what privacy settings your app gives you access to see what you can live with and what you can live without think about knowing how much information you're actually offering up as volunteer online, whether it is really relevant or necessary or not Katherine I would say recognize that your data is important, it is valuable and everyone else in the world recognizes the company platforms, authoritarian governments, our own government knows the value of their individual data, so you need to value that too and that will help us with everything from avoiding online scams and criminals to some of the sharp ends of misinformation and propaganda from foreign nation states, we end tonight on what could well be a point turning point in human civilization where digital supremacy means power in the real world, we have shown how China does it. and why Australia and Australians must take note From our national cyber borders to our personal apps, the more China knows about us the more it can disrupt and divide our society and our democracy, we must all take responsibility, we have reached that point it is which is not true, we can no longer say that we did not know we had reached that point.

I think it's important that we keep our eyes open. We must not be afraid, but be alert and not alarmed. It is up to all of us to stay. informed and alert about our digital security and for a more detailed privacy checklist, please visit our website. Thank you very much for joining me tonight and thank you. I'm Liz Hayes. Good night. Hi, I'm Liz Hayes and thanks for watching. investigation subscribe to our channel now to watch exclusive clips and don't miss the full episodes of investigation on 9 now and the N9 Now app