Shakira: 'Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran', Healing, & Tour | Apple Music

No one plans to go through so many hardships and complex life experiences that I had to go through. It's the first time I've had to deal with something like being a single mother. I just did what I thought was necessary for me. Picking up the pieces of myself and then putting them all back together and

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was the glue that Shakira has been living with the success of her in front of the world since a very young age. These enormous groundbreaking heights gave way in recent years to some of the most challenging and difficult moments of his life and he did what great artists do, he took his story, told it through his most honest and important album yet and That brought me to Miami to sit one-on-one with icon Shakira.

It's good to see you how. you feel you feel good you feel good I feel good you're busy I know, very busy yes, very busy it's been a busy week um been recording a video taking photos getting ready for another video getting ready for the release of my album so I'm going to sleep every day around 9:00 a.m. m. the next day 9:00 a.m. m. 11:00 a.m. m. Yesterday I came home at 7 in the morning my children were already waiting for me so I had breakfast with them I stayed up with them sometimes I didn't even go to sleep until it was time to go to bed.

I'm running out of breath, yes, for 10 years I was going to be a DJ and the same thing happened sometimes. I get there at 5 or 6 in the morning, it would be like okay, let's go to school, just, yeah. I'll deal with sleeping later, yes, that's exactly what I do because I want to spend time with my kids, yes, put them to bed and then I pass out, so it's been intense, but that's the beautiful thing I'm juggling. First time I have to deal with a single mother, yes, it's true, so, it's a challenge, but they're great, they're very supportive.

Did you have to tell the boys that you were? Getting back to work, I have work to do, now I have

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to make and things I want to say, so we're going to have to find a new balance where you're honest with them about that, yeah, they understand how important it is to make music . It's for me how important it is to stay productive, to feel relevant in society, to find your own place in the community and it's really cool, to understand that and support myself. I feel like this music, even though it was made, is C, it was recaptured and built.

On this relevance, you spent your life establishing yourself with us as fans and you are reaching more people than ever before, but I feel like this music served a different purpose for you, that it wasn't like I needed to make another album because I want to start that relationship with my fans again and see what it means to us. You had to make this music. Had to go out. Yeah, I mean, this album is very conceptual, but it wasn't intentionally that way. It's not how I planned it. This being conceptual, it just happened, no one plans to go through so many difficulties and the complex life experiences that I had to go through, but you know, life gives you lemons, you have to make lemonade, life gives you lemons, you pressurize. four gems into existence and going through the process, well, yeah, I try to make the most of those traumatic experiences and kind of sublimate, you know, a lot of desires and work through my own frustrations, my anger, my feelings of dissolution and um. and transform them into something productive in creativity, resilience and strength.

I heal through music and I am still

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. I mean, it's a process, but music has definitely played a very therapeutic role. I said that when Writing music is like going to the psychiatrist, only cheaper, yes it does, it helps you exercise a lot of intense emotions and feelings that would otherwise just be FAIL. Just like you can hear it in your playing. I have heard you sing at the highest level. level and perform at the highest level throughout your career on stage and on the album, but I feel and I would love to know if you hear this also in your performance listening to the album again.

I hear notes that were somewhere else, a sound that was hidden and hidden until I guess that pain and that vulnerability found those notes. I just hear your voice differently on this record, yeah I feel like my voice keeps changing over the years and I tell my kids that sometimes I hear some of my music with them it's not on purpose but it just happens. You know maybe some song, something, comes on the playlist or the radio or whatever, and we listen together. Me and I say it used to suck. I do not do it. I don't like it, I don't like it, I mean I don't even know why I have fans.

I think I have evolved. I like myself a lot more now as an artist, but that's just me. Some of my fans probably like me more at some other stages of my artistic life, but I think I've evolved and my voice has changed so much that it's thickened and also stylistically I think I've matured, you know, I make different stylistic choices than from when I was younger and I feel like I have better taste now than I did when I was younger, but who doesn't feel that way? what was I thinking wearing that you know so the same thing happens to me artistically why did I dance that way why those movements oh my God that's just youth that's just youth I I I just yeah, I like the fact that you left the vulnerability and your performance on this record and there are even moments where I hear your voice crack a little bit and I can tell that you went somewhere that wasn't really about the performance but about the release and I hear that on this record, yeah, because it's not a intellectual. process you know this has been a very visceral process uh the creation of this album the creation of each of these songs and I have not created these songs by myself I feel like it has been a process in which my audience also played an important role because As I went through these complex life situations, they were there supporting me emotionally giving me feedback and I also found myself reflecting on their own experiences, there was an echo in these feelings that I had.

I was finding myself and they were there as my fans, my audience, they were there every step of the way, they knew what was going on in my life, they knew they supported me completely and they understood that there was this communion, you know, so I feel that . The level of support was a huge help to me, it was a huge help, it encouraged me, it encouraged me to keep going. I felt like there was a reason for my music, there was a purpose. I never thought my fans would support me so much. in such an important way uh like they did in the most important moments the most fragile moments of my life they were there each one of these songs were created like this having this this vessel as each song was released I was, I felt uh many comments from my fans, you know, and that became a dialogue, a conversation.

I felt like my experiences were reflected in these songs, but a lot of their experiences, a lot of women who were going through similar situations, like mine, were also reflected in these songs, so there was constant communication from Echo, it wasn't a monologue and I feel like that made this process very emotional and very visceral and not intellectual at all, so that's why I allowed it. I'm vulnerable on these tracks, um, because you felt safe, I felt safe, yeah, exactly this album. The women of Las Yan no longer cry. Yes, actually, for me when I heard it it was a love album and I know people will focus on the first seven. songs, it's almost like a concept album in reverse, like you have to start side B and then go back and start side A and the end of side A is where we find you now after Ultima and I think of this as a concept album. love why not. everyone will find eternal love, but everyone in their lives, if they're lucky enough, will know what it's like to love and lose everyone, yeah, it's part of growing up, M, and I think that's what this album is when I listen to it. almost a tribute to that experience through the pain and the vulnerability and then the resolution in the end yeah and it's probably the most valuable lesson I've personally learned it's better to trust than never to trust it's better to trust and see um and see and find yourself betrayed then never trust because, as I try to teach my children, there are many more good people in the world and it is worth it, it is worth loving, loving, loving, it is the most incredible experience that a human being can have.

You can live and no one should take away that opinion that you know about yourself as I believe that there are so many good things in people there are so many things uh and no matter what shitty experiences you go through in life you have them there, there is simply There is always much more What to expect when I went through a lot of pain in my life. um, I know it's because I care deeply about something and that change is painful, but overcoming that really shows the value of experience because letting go is very difficult, well, only robots don't experience pain yet, um, by the way, pain still does, yes, but pain makes you more human, yes, and the artistic experience of being able to take that pain and transform it into something else. uh, an opportunity and the luxury that we artists have, we have the luxury of listening to the music, that also helps us and I think that's something that, going back to your point of feeling the support of the fans, only came through honesty that you were exhibiting um, I think for a moment to go through the Gams because the concept here, as I am, as I am aware, is that it begins with the participation of passion, it is not linear, but there is the passion, the ruby. gem of passion then there is the resilience of the diamond and the vulnerability of the sapphire and then the confidence of the emerald and you know, I think about that starting with passion starting with the ruby ​​the idea of ​​love in the first the idea of ​​the journey that takes you says and where you end, what did your creative Spirit tell you during those 10 years that you were living in Barcelona and were prioritizing your family and learning to be a mother and father and a partner, what was your relationship with your art during that time?

Sometimes it was like a love-hate relationship because every time they took me to the studio to do my work, I felt like I was leaving my family unattended. Um, so there were times when I didn't really enjoy it, you know, I felt guilty, I felt, uh, I felt torn, you know, but now it feels totally different, although it's more challenging because now I'm in charge of these two. kids, these two babies that depend on me so much and I'm a single mother, I don't have a husband at home to help me with anything, um, in a way, it's good not to have a husband because I don't.

I don't know why it was dragging me down it's like, like now I feel like working I feel like writing songs I feel like making music it's just it's just a compulsion it's a compulsive need of mine that I didn't feel before Yes, because you've been working non-stop for most of your decision-making life from a very young age, you have been very generous to us as fans with your time and your creativity and your work. um it made sense, I think even the most diary fan that you were prioritizing something else and I kind of wonder whether or not you realized that you needed to stop and focus on something else, focus on the family because it had been non-stop for up to that point, yeah, and in some ways I feel more complete now, you know, I feel like the fans have really shown their loyalty and by showing their loyalty and their love, I felt so supported, I felt like they really had their backs on me, they really gave me They supported me this whole time, so I feel like I owe them, I owe them a lot, so I'm working hard because I want to make sure that I give them back at least a quarter of what they've given me, they're the best fans in the fucking world.

I tell you. Don't know. I mean, I've had this career for so long. I have seen so many artists grow and also have wonderful things. f but me, when I see my fans, there is this communication, this connection, they know me so well, they understand me, they are there for me in the good times, in the bad times, they are there for me, whether I wear jeans or ripped jeans or Prada, I mean, they don't care, they don't care if I'm chubby or skinny if I look older or younger if I'm with or without makeup they they it's true there is a truth there are true feelings there are true feelings of love, respect and understanding I want to go on

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I want to perform for them I want to perform each of these songs I want to share this work with them I want to know what they think I want to be a better artist for them and I also want to be a good example for my children, so those are the two most important motivations I have at the moment.

I want to show my kids work ethic and passion for what you do in life and they see a lot of that comes from me and we also share our love of music. Sometimes we play together like Sasha is learning to play guitar and Milan is a really cool drummer, so he gets to play the drums. Sash on guitar. I sing and we play at home. they sing on the album they are at a crossroads yes, what was that moment like collaborating with them on that song because it is a very vulnerable song um and they are contributing to me listening to it during part of the

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and I think as a father I have been through that when I was a child of divorce and I'm also in a relationship with our children and we're married, but you know you can't hide the hard times, no you can't.

You don't know what that moment was like for you to realize that that magical era of protecting your children from the reality of the truth of life is no longerWe could go on like this, you couldn't go on like this, what was that like? Learning brake, I had to do it, there were a lot of lessons in that whole experience, like you said. Society perhaps teaches us to hide our feelings from our children, but I think it is a mistake because they know better and perceive things in a different way. in many different ways and they can tell when an adult is lying to them, yes, they want the truth when they want the truth because if you don't give them the truth, then they make up their own version of the truth, themselves and their interpretations. of reality could be completely wrong and messed up and that's when things get really complicated for them, but if you are brave enough to talk about things, talk to them and try to understand how they perceive reality like Well, open up. a conversation, open a dialogue where they can also give their opinions.

This is vulnerability. It's okay to cry, and sometimes it's okay to face loss. Life is full of losses. The important thing is that we learn to express how we feel about these losses because otherwise the body begins to lurk. You know, the body speaks. the body speaks what the mouth doesn't say oh that part you don't want to keep it in the physical you don't want to keep it bottled up exactly so they knew that my songs were part of that healing process part of that catharsis they know that this is one of my ways to heal and express myself is through my music and in fact they do it sometimes as well as Milan.

I remember he wrote two beautiful songs during the entire separation. process and it was them, they would just make anyone cry. He wrote two songs on piano and lyrics and, whenever he feels a little down or goes to the piano and writes, he writes music and that's his too. cathar his therapy so when they heard me sing the song in the studio how are you he is 11 years old wow amazing aming is 11 years old he is a great musician I think he will probably be a producer but he is obsessed with football he wants to be a football player, ​So now he has that part, but I recognize that he is a great songwriter and producer and maybe one day he will take it more seriously, but for now it is just a channel, you know, a channel for him, so when he was in the studio singing recording an acrostic, they used to come visit me and, um, to my home studio and just hang out with me while I recorded it and they started humming it, they started singing it and they were like, Mom, we both, can we? sing, we can sing this song, you can, you can, you can, you can turn on the microphone and we can sing the microphone and I said, okay, go ahead, so they sang into the microphone and um and they sounded amazing, you're probably not thinking that they're going to go. end up on the record at this point, it's like coming to hang out, yeah, they hang out, yeah, yeah, they start singing in the studio, you know, we're just playing, um, but they sounded so amazing and they were like, can we be?

On the record I'm like every parent's nightmare, but they knew the song was for them, yeah, so it was organic. It just happened very organically on the record and they were like, Can we be in the video? Okay, doing things. It's harder, but then I thought you know what came out of them and why they don't want to share their instrument too. It's a beautiful song and again, it's just another example of this album, it's a very moving record, it's not just. about resolution, you know a certain sense of resilience to vulnerability, but also anger comes up and I think about the bisa rap from volume 53 and I mean it's just a Crusher, it's a record now and um, you know, Think about The Bravery necessary to record that, let alone release it, was there at some point after finishing that session where you thought maybe I won't let it go, maybe I got what I needed by just expressing myself and maybe.

We didn't release this or it was always going to come out, it was always going to come out. The thing is, some people on my team wanted me to change the lyrics, they were really scared by the fans' reaction. I'm like I'm not a representative, you know, I'm an artist and no one is going to tell me how I'm supposed to heal and no one should tell any woman how she's supposed to heal and lick her wounds, you know? and this is another moment we are going through, as I know our mothers and grandmothers would tell you to hide your tears, hide your feelings from your children and from society, accept. what they had to go through, whatever it is, and that's holding on, but now things are different and no one tells anyone what the process should be like, so this song was the perfect vehicle for me to channel all those emotions because Yeah.

I've been going through how many stages of grief five seven whatever yeah in my case probably 12 or 20 um but in those stages of course you encounter anger denial and this is important to get to the. acceptance, but you can. Don't skip stages, you have to go through them all and making all these songs is what really helped me work out all those intense feelings and emotions and turn them into productivity. That's why the metaphor of gems, that's why the metaphor of the diamond. tears that turned into diamonds because it's been a transmutation, it's been like alchemy, you know, the process of transforming all these emotions into something else, you know, you also did this in a way that, in my opinion, was very publicly elegant.

Don't go, I'm going to hide for two years privately grieving, you leaned on the music, you can't do that unless you share the music, it doesn't exist unless we can experience it as a whole and you. Get the feedback you've talked about trusting people who say I hear you I love what you say and I love that you say it and I think you came at this from a place of I will control what I think is private or not private. and you know that most people in your circumstances would have been much more private and not so direct about it.

You know what I mean? I think people responded to the fact that you were so open who wouldn't, I just did what I felt um of course a lot of my feelings and emotions weren't um shown uh a lot of it still isn't shown shown but a lot of it was just because um It was necessary, you know, I just did what I thought was necessary for me, yeah, I had to pick up the pieces of myself and then put them all back together, and music was the glue to do it. That 53 hour volume shattered a huge record, huge numbers.

Did you alter what you were doing with your album after you realized it had been so successful? Did the idea of ​​the emerald begin to bring confidence to the process? Yeah, I guess, the fact that I was able to express my thoughts and feelings through my music and then find an echo and find um that I wasn't alone that there were other people also going through similar situations that I would go out there and maybe find others. women who would feel represented through this stop and say thank you, yes, yes, more than once, many, many times.

I vividly remember the moment when that song had just come out and I went to drop my kids off at their school and another mom from another school comes up to me and says. that she was going through something similar and she grabbed me and said thank you so much for your song, your song has helped me a lot then I realized, yes, this has a purpose, this is not a purpose beyond me, it just transcends me. others. People like music, you should know that any artistic form should create a bridge to others and that's how I felt that I was not alone, that I was being hurt and that there were other people who were feeling identified and reflected in this music too. you've been building that bridge your entire career.

I mean, before it became such a personal dialogue with fans about real life, it was through your own ambition and vision and driving the idea of ​​helping put the music that moved you and that you grew up with in the world stage and it must have been very rewarding to redo this album and see who you are Through the eyes of Ral Through the eyes of Carol de Cardi of the group of these new artists who really follow in your footsteps, you and a handful of other incredible artists putting this music from the Latin Comm music community on the world stage it must have been so beautiful to see the way they reacted to you, one of the things I enjoy the most Making music today is not only the immediateness, the immediacy that you have as an artist, you just create a song, you put it out next week, yeah, and you get an instant response, it's amazing, yeah, and as you know, a few years ago it was.

It was not so. I didn't have that opportunity. I had to put together a whole body of work before I could release it and you know, I take my time, so it would take me two or three years to put the music together and release it. and sharing something that I was feeling right now and now with digital platforms and music being so immediate, it's a completely different story and the other thing I like most about this moment in time is that we are Experiencing in music is the fact that I can collaborate with other people who also bring something to the table, something that also transforms you in different ways, you learn something from all these collaborations and it makes you grow, it makes you evolve and then and you end up with new friends, you know, I have become friends and I have become great friends, very close friends of visa and d and ozun and all these artists that are so close to me now and it all started with a song, it is beautiful that you can make friends with new artists that inspire you and It keeps you motivated and committed, but it must be a journey for them because what you have achieved is unprecedented and that is why my question, Shakira, is what is it? your relationship with your achievements do you recognize them or leave them for someone else to recognize them you know I don't feel like that when I have to collaborate with a new artist I'm the one who's nervous I want to do I'm sure I'm up to the task.

I have great respect for what they have done. I don't want to disappoint you. I know you're coming to me with great anticipation, so I want to make sure I deliver something decent to you. That's how I look at every project I do. I am very demanding with everything I do. I enjoy it much more than when I was 20 or 25 years old. Why do you think I don't know? I guess. you learn to value you know your flaws you are also not like when you are so young you just want to show the best but when and you are afraid of losing it also just when someone gives it to you You are afraid of losing it, right?

It's like, oh my gosh, success exactly, my audience has given me that confidence, they've given me that safety net, so I can, from time to time, take a leap and try to make some pivots. the air and some of them come out, they come out great, some of them stink, but they're still there. The safety net is still there and I continue to demand the best of myself. I want to do the best I can always, but I also know that. that there are people out there that accept me for who I am um I don't have to pretend I don't have to pretend to be something I'm not I don't have to make the type of music they want me to make or I can just be myself throughout my career I have I have that is non-negotiable I have experimented with different genres but only because I want to just because I am curious to see what happens because I feel like it, but not because there is some senior executive at Sony Music telling me what to do and what my next steps are.

I've tried to maintain spontaneity as much as I can in my music and making a genuine career is not easy. Still being spontaneous and authentic when you're successful at such a young age and I think your determination and dedication to your vision and the fact that you're a producer, I mean, you produced this album with some people, but it's you're the producer, yeah , I am you, you produced the music and I wonder where that determination came from. Let's take the Ruby and go back. Are you closer to understanding with maturity and growth what put you on this path in the first place?

I think about the difficulties, I think coming from a not so fortunate social, economic and financial background, you know, make me put that drive in me, made me want to succeed, make me very determined, the support of my parents, their faith in me, His infinite faith, uh, gave me. I'm confident, but I've always been very self-critical, very self-critical, so that's also kept me on my toes throughout my career. That can be exhausting. It is exhausting. I'm very exhausted. There was a producer one time that I worked with. and he said you have the imposter syndrome oh you know which one it is I know what that is what they mean by that who says that in the studio who says that name names I want names in that's night no but he's right he's right I want to say why why?

You think because there aren't enough Grammy Awards, there aren't enough record sales to prove to me that I'm good enough? I feel like I still have a lot to learn, a lot to grow, but um, but I'm more relaxed than I was a few years ago. I'm just enjoying it more. I truly believe that being in the studio is one of my happiest places. It's my happy place. It is the safest place. Isn't that okay and you know my room in the mornings when my kids come and cover me with kisses, that's the real thing and that's really my happy place and then there's also the studio where I can be myself. but you talk about the idea that you could take all you want and achieve it, but will it ever be enough?

Success will ever validate my work and what I am trying to achieve. You know what I mean? I haven't seen itfirst, you've never been, no you've never seen me, oh my god, so this is the statue, it's a revelation, so that's the statue, that's the statue, but you don't see it if you zoom back. Look how small the human is next to the statue, that's cool, that's amazing. What does that mean for you? The idea that where you're from is so proud of what you've become and what you represent that they would, they would. erect something that says the same thing, what that represents is that any woman, any girl from Baran in Latin America or anywhere in the world, uh um, where the conditions are not the most ideal, cannot achieve any goal they set for themselves . there in their minds you know that I think that statue is just an example of what happened to me and what could happen to literally anyone in my hometown.

I feel like it represents not only my own dreams but the dreams of all girls. and women and it's a little girl standing in front of that statue in the photo, the good thing is that it's just a you know, I think it's beautiful, I mean, thank you, you know, the album goes through these alchemies that you put in these stages. from finding yourself to rediscovering yourself and going through the pain to come out on the other side for it to truly make sense there has to be some resolution there has to be a moment where you can let go of the experience and embrace what is to come and I Me I feel like last, that song is that moment on the album, it's pure surrender, what do I hear in that song, yes, that song was the last one I wrote for this album and that's why it's called Ultima when the album comes out .

It was literally closed and there was no more time, yes, I ran out of time and I just insisted. I said I have one more song here and it's like I have to spit it out or I won't be able to, you know, I'll choke. I need, I need to get this out, what's that feeling? Sorry wait I need to know what that feeling feels like when there's a song in you that's dying to come out and you know it's there and if you don't Get it out you'll regret it yeah it's uncomfortable especially because I was told that people from Sony said: no, no, no, no, there is no more time to send this, otherwise we will not be able to have the vinyls ready.

You can't do anything else with this album because I can. I'd like to keep working endlessly on the album, tweaking things, mixing and never letting it go, so they said it's time to let it go. Shakira, let it go now. I'm like no no no no but there's one more there's one more I have it right here I'm going to drown if I don't write it if I don't sing it if I don't let me Just give me one more afternoon and I did it in one afternoon, we recorded it and I mixed it immediately and I felt much better.

However, it really must have been difficult at first because that's all it is as a performance and as The Song and Lyrics is a reference song for anyone to write, it's about letting go of what you've been through and then sharing it with the world. It must have been very emotional, yes it was, it's the last song I hope to have written. for you know who, um, but it's not just there for me, it's very, the amazing thing about music is how people can connect, yeah, with the same experience or with the same feeling, or even if they're not going through the same experience. the empathy and mirror neurons that we all have and that make us see our own reflection in this music, so when I played this song for the head of marketing at Sony, he came over and started crying.

I've never seen a man cry in my studio before I've seen a lot of women cry in my studio, but no man, uh, but he's a big softie, but I started crying at this song and I was like, oh, okay, I get it. , it's not just about me, this song is not about. just me or him or but I'm glad I was able to put it on the album even if it's the last song, the last song I write to him, I hope, but I can always change my mind, he could, that's the artistic right. I think it's incredible what you've created, it's a body of work truly in the moment and in process and to execute it and release it and even have the courage to sit here with me in front of everyone and talk about it.

It's um, it's that easy, this is the part about promoting your album, it's just uh, that God is with you, I feel comfortable with you, Zane, but it's not easy to relive all those moments and understand it, because that's what music is for . I know it's true, I already went through that process, but talking about it is another way of reliving the past, but like you said, it's not just about the past, it's the past, the past is in the past, it's what's next. about to happen. come now and what this album and this music are about to bring to my doorstep it's about resolution it's about resolution that's why we listen to this music or create this art is to find a way to move forward through this that's why I said, I think this is a love album I think this is a love album, no, I don't listen to this album and think that it is not a You album, in a way for me it is like a thank you to God, it was what it was and now, wherever I go. here I take the learnings from that I move forward I share them with everyone as if, that's why this album is not called look how much I cry it's called women don't cry that anymore because I think that for centuries society and even ourselves have enjoyed putting ourselves in the role of victims and it's a role, it's very unproductive, you know, to sit in that role, that victim position, it's better to just look forward and look forward and accept your vulnerability, but turn it into creativity and uh and just prepare for new challenges and get ready to go on the

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of your life, I mean everything you have achieved with a new body of work that is conceptual and deep and a brilliant album to be able to bring that to the stage and tour that now, as you said, with Looking at the balance between your children being able to choose how they move and how you can make this architecture work, the idea of ​​taking this on must feel very liberating.

Being on tour and seeing the world this time, yes, I am very excited about my upcoming tour and I am very curious to see what feelings I will experience on stage. I think it will be like a celebration after having gone through everything. of the experiences that I've been through it's like the culmination of all that and celebrating surviving it and but also celebrating life, celebrating friends and family and all the good things that life is made of since the last tour. It started off bad, it was a rough start to that tour, you know, and I think about what the body and the mind are doing that we're not even aware of at the time and I think often the body breaks down. first and goes and I wonder if you remember that moment six seven years ago when you were on tour in Al Dorado and maybe your body was saying hey, maybe this isn't the right time to go out, yeah, I lost my voice, I couldn't. speak, I couldn't sing uh, it was the hardest time of my life at that time, so what I had to find years later was that I think it was in my top three, but that was what I think I think in retrospect and, after of everything, the losses that I had to face if I had lost my voice I definitely don't know how I would have survived because imagine that at least at least I had my voice my voice after you know after after after everything my voice has saved me my voice It has given me the opportunity to rebuild myself, to reclaim yourself, yes, I never thought at that moment, I never thought how important that was, no, it is vital in me, in my, in my personal experience, it is vital for me to have a voice , yeah, and it was a tough start to the tour, but then I was also able to get over the hump and overcome those obstacles, I got my voice back and I was able to celebrate with my fans.

The walk was amazing and I can't imagine what this store will be like. I think it will be twice as good. My God. It will be the best live music experience your fans have ever had. Seen, I had a feeling that it was going to be the ride of a lifetime, yes, and the opportunity to take your children and show them the world through that lens, yes, at an age where they can absorb and create memories, It must be very exciting for you too. because they would have been a little bit younger on the last tour, it was hard for them to experience it and remember things.

Are you excited about that idea and also to see? Yeah, they can't wait, yeah, because the last time I went on tour there was a little bit. They are still young and don't remember many places, but they really want to see, they want to see Brazil, they want to see, they want to go to Argentina, they want to go to places in Europe and be able to see. us more deeply, so yeah, it's going to be really something to be able to at least have it even if it's small periods. um in the writing, you know there was a quote that I read to try not to quote again, but it was really the thing that really stuck with me, and it was that you know, when everything seemed to be at its best, I was unable to handle my emotions in a way that was appropriate for you, you know it was all the end of the world. when in reality everything seemed to be exactly where it should be and then of course the world changed and changes and life happens, you go through it and you get to step back and look at it with some perspective, what do you really think? value now and has how do you really put life in context for you now what is really important to you now friendship friendship I think friendship lasts longer than love um although I still think that experiencing love fully experiencing it with all its peaks and valleys is so essential for human life, so you still love love.

I love love, but I think I even love friendship a little more because I thought love would be there forever for me and that's one of my broken dreams, maybe I will. I don't know if I'll like it You know find it again probably not I don't know but friendship I have friendship I have I wasn't one of those people who valued friendship so much I have been I have always valued family and and and and having a partner having always been a partner I've been in a couple I've always been in a couple um but then when that wasn't there for me and when I lost my voice and when I had to face the darkest and most difficult moments of my life friends were there friends were there um and they kept me going. together those and those who really showed me the true the true meaning of life you know I may not grow old with a partner but I will grow old maybe surrounded by good friends thank you for being a true artist and honoring your art and honoring your truth and being, like I said, brave enough to share it with people, it helps well music helps you, it helps you, you know it and it definitely helps us.

I really enjoyed our conversation and I really appreciate your time, thank you, no, I appreciate your time and thank you for helping me find a way and a channel to talk. about this process, my music and making this album, it's a great opportunity, it's not every day artists have this platform, you know how to read to discuss how you go through a creative process in detail, yes, and thanks for your accent, I love it, please do not do it. I will never change it