Sammy "The Bull" Brought Heat to Our Ecstasy Ring | Sit Down with Shaun Attwood | Michael Franzese

we are on the way. thought tree discussing what we are going to do with our lives then a wild man says I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison I have red dots on my head telling me to hurt people and Hermie asked me what I'm going to do , I tell them: look, I'm going to go to the United States, make a million in the stock market and blow them up, which I finally did, and while I said, look, you're not going to spend the rest of your life in prison, I'll take you to America and you will get a job as a wrestler because i have been seeing things like andre, giant things like that back then, i am thinking that the wild man can channel his aggressive energies into that, he won't go to prison, this is my idealistic teenage dream for us, so for five years in Arizona I'm just working diligently on the stock market. market as a stockbroker the first two years I only charge commission I'm living off cheese sandwiches and bananas without making any money wonde

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, you know, worried that I'll have to go home because all I do is live off my credit cards student but five years later, I'm the best guy in the office, making half a million a year, a wild man flies, he's served a prison sentence for a violent robbery in England, he flies to Arizona and I find him a place to stay, which is correct. next to the georgian dragon central phoenix british pub, I'm thinking that while I'm at work he'll just relax and have a beer with the expats and not cause any problems, so in a couple of months after staying at this place I'm going to there with my girlfriend at the moment we knock on the door a group of Mexicans open the door I say where is peter peter there is no peter here like yes peter lives here like pizza no no peter they all take out weapons my girlfriend and I start backing through off the road a wild man just bounces on the road all smiles I'm like what the hell you really have a chance what's going on with your house he goes oh don't worry about them they're the local crack Dealers they like to move around a lot.

I have rented that place to them because they like to move around a lot. They have me living in their house on the street. They're giving me all the crack I want. free because because they are buzzing because I can crack a hundred dollars in one go, damn, and the boss is the Colombian who is back there and wants to invest in the stock market, so that house ended up with a body in it. door I'm working at the brokerage I get a call from my aunt she goes to Peter's apartment it's front page news he could be dead someone has been shot to death get your ass up there I go up there everything is recorded there is media There are police cars I have drugs in the car I'm going back to work but I know in my head what happened is Peter alive I'll be back later that day everyone came in and Peter was sitting in the living room with a very serious looking guy with a penetrating look look that presents himself as a homicide detective, they took Peter in and they did some prints on him, you know, they did powder tests on him and he wasn't the shooter in this situation, but they wanted to know more information, so what?

What had happened is and I was glad that you know to see Peter alive. I was glad, so I found out what happened. A couple had come to buy crack from the Mexicans, but the Mexicans had returned to the street. The woman goes to the street to get it. the crack the male stays with the wild man the male has a gun the wild man has never seen guns before saying look I'm from England we don't have guns how does this work? Can you show it to me so the guy can be there? showing him his gun and says the safe zone don't worry he won't shoot that's how we do it in America pull the trigger and he blows his head off wow sean where was this? what city was this in this is in the phoenix center uh in that neighborhood right behind the british georgian dragon coolidge pub the street was coolidge i remember exactly the current yeah so the homicide detective says look you know which one it is The problem, why does this guy live here?

Why is he here so me? say yes, he's with me, I've signed up for this place, put it up, you know, it's in my name, he's here from England, I'm having a pretty long vacation, blah blah blah, every time we got in trouble, we tried play the English card. Which worked well at first, but when the going got tough, nothing was going to start. What was going to happen to us? So were you doing drugs at this time? Were you trying it yourself? Yeah, when Peter came, I lost my sensitivity and started having crazy fun with him, so I'm on

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his first visit because he was deported three times for being a society minister and he was sending teams of people across Canada and Mexico to bring him back again and again, but it was the connections I made through Wild Man that allowed me to establish the criminal enterprise, so after the body at the door this has to be around 96.97 Peter meets a woman on the west side.

She lives in this apartment with a bouncer from a nightclub in Van Buren. This bouncer has a long blonde perm, like a Chippendale. He's a big guy. His big muscles work his head on steroids, but I'm thinking since Wildman is so aggressive, it's probably a bad combination. people, but I signed the contract anyway I go up and sign the contract in a few days the apartment manager calls me at the brokerage says you have to come here we are a victim peter beat up his roommate so, what? How do you know it's hit? Above his roommate's neighbors saw the roommate running through the apartment complex at night.

He had drywall dust all over his face and there are holes the size of a human head in all the walls. Fortunately, Wildman had done it so quickly that they hadn't even done it. I had time to cash the check, so I stopped it. Now the woman in that apartment said, Look, I have a place in Tempe, Arizona. He is one of our boyfriends there. He's behind on rent. Can you fix the rent? Come wild men. moving there eventually it becomes completely uninhabitable but it goes to rancho murrieta tempe arizona huge student town multi building complex and that's where we were partying with

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in our houses and now I could only get 50 to 100 pills from the local dealers.

Just showing my ego back then was getting as big as the grand canyon as this company grows, this was the beginning and when you give away drugs because I have more money, you attract a lot of friends. whoever it is friend, but then I start to see the business potential, I can only get 50 to 100 from the distributors and people come all night saying: we want to buy 50, we want to buy a hundred, we have, you know, this party, that party take them so something started to come up so my supplier at the time was a guy named acid joey most of my male friends then extremely high risk people are dead i see joey was found dead in his pools with all his clothes on and A beefy Native American guy, Acid Joey always wore black clothes, did a lot of ketamine, and was the best dancer you'd ever see.

The first time I saw him, I showed up at a rave, there was a circle of people around him. I was moving his body like that. It was water, this guy should have been in music videos, so Acid Joey finds out that the pills came from a western Hollywood surfer gangster named Soul, so he arranges for us to buy about a thousand pills. Xc costs between 25 and 30 in the clubs. In Arizona, I think we agreed to buy them around 12. This is before I had proper protocol to avoid police detection. I'm a complete newbie, I'm just getting started.

Get out there, you know, and two cars full of people. Me, a wild man, acid Joey. and another guy who was one of my protectors at the time named Seth, he's dead too, he died about three years ago, his heart just dropped. Sean, let me ask you a question right now, so it was really a really wild man that got you involved. In this whole party, dope-type atmosphere, uh, it's that right, so if you look at me, you'll see this nerdy business guy who you wouldn't think would form relationships with dangerous people in a wild man's apartment in Tempe, arizona, rancho marietta, the first thing he would do What he would do anywhere he went was take control of the people on the street and he would have all the people on the street working for him, even when we went to Los Angeles to pick up pills , later, the street people just found themselves leaving crack rocks for him in the middle of the night to get him to go out and, for some reason, the street people always liked to admire him and do whatever he said so that he took control, the people on the street kicked him. he would write down little snippets of this and that and then he would throw these parties that ranged from Native American transgender sex workers to Russian mobsters to Italian guys to gangbangers to strippers and they would go for days and days and it would be like that. an eclectic mix of people you wouldn't normally see together, but as they were all doing xc for the first time, they were there just hugging, smiling and telling each other their life stories, it was a really good atmosphere and that's how because Mexican mafia protected me and it was through Peter that I met those guys.

A fascinating story about how you know you are who you associate with, something I tell our young people. I've been telling you that for 25 years. They're who you associate with the people around you influenced you when I was in the mafia I was influenced, you know, and I was accountable to my oath, I was accountable to my boss, I was accountable to the guys around me and therefore, I was involved in criminal activities the whole time Sean Atwood well, originally a legitimate guy, a brilliant guy, by the way, very, very, very intelligent, very well spoken, you know, outside of England, he was brilliantly successful, he was brilliantly successful. in the stock business, he was a great trader, he knew what the hell he was doing he gets involved with a guy called the wild man he actually knew him all his life you know what he was they were friends but he gets very involved with him he gets involved in the drug scene gets involved in the party scene he just admits, kind of a nerdy guy, you know he was a guy who got beat up, you know most of his young life he wasn't a tough guy, no he was a gangster by no means, but again, the people he started hanging out with started taking drugs the drugs got into his head look i know what droice can do you know my story sister died of an overdose a brother 25 years old a drug addict I know the whole scene although I was never involved in it but it is totally Somehow he changed his personality and character and what happened to him is fascinating, it really is from his you know, his young age to his stock brokerage, his age of stock trading, all the money he made gets involved in a ring of ecstasy and ends up going under because of it. he goes to prison and now he's transformed his life or should I say, he's

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his life back to where it should have been from day one, but it's a fascinating story, but again, the bottom line here is the people you hang out with and to whom you are responsible, I say.

This all the time Sean is going to give a good message at the end of this he spent six years in prison, you know, I made eight visits to my father over 30-something years, we have a lot to talk about, here you go, Sean Atwood, stop So I ask you a question because this is something I always say and you know I think my viewers are in tune with you. I always tell people who you're dating and it seems to me that you met a guy who for some reason was attractive to you, his kind of lifestyle, the way he carried himself and, uh, and you started to, you know, just move and jump with it so you know again that's who you're hanging out with and then it's acid joey it's wild man it's all these people that start surrounding you and you get into it because you're a pretty legit guy at that point you know before you meet him you know you're a stockbroker you're making a lot of money and all of a sudden someone introduces you to a different kind of lifestyle and you become like them and that's why I tell people all the time, Sean.

I know we'll talk about this later. I know you're who you hung out with when I was on the streets and in the mafia, that's what I was. He was surrounded by criminals. I became a criminal. I do not blame them. This was my decision, etc., and I know you feel the same. You made that decision, but that's why it's so important in life to know who you're with and who you're accountable to, and you know we got to that a little bit, but I just wanted to make it clear that that point continues, yes, absolutely.

Wildman and I were close since childhood when we were teenagers, we had seen a lot of movies like The Wanderers and the Warriors and some local kids in my neighborhood formed a little gang called Sweats now the leader of the gang was Wild Man's older brother. and The wild man was two years younger than me, younger than any of the members of thegang, when I say gang members, I'm not talking about the knife, that's all pretty innocent back then, so his older brother would beat him up and wouldn't let him join the gang, but eventually I gravitated towards the wild man.

The sweats hit me for going out with him. They hung me from the cliff face of Pecks Hill quarry and I finished them off then, so Hammy and I split up. sweats and that's how me, Wild Man and Hammy became best friends for life and we were at the top of the thinking tree doing those goals so that's a little story of how that came about so now that you're in Phoenix you are starting to really understand what you can earn in this ecstasy business and you start moving forward again using the entrepreneurial mind that you have.

You're starting to figure out a way to monetize and capitalize on this, so move on, before the new Mexican mafia arrives. things then i will go to seoul i will continue that story two cars full of us now everyone is dead except me i will go to saul's house in west hollywood he is not there at the agreed time the wild man is losing his patience he says that as soon as If this guy shows up, I'm going to kick his door in, I'm going to take his, don't leave us here waiting for hours like this, it's disrespectful, I'm like, Peter, calm down if we leave. out there and take your how are we going to have a regular connection?

We have to establish a business relationship with this guy if this is going to be a worthwhile experiment to get into the ecstasy trade so I count down eventually Saul shows up. You've already seen that point break movie. Yes I have seen it. He shows up with a group of kids fresh from Point Break. I had never seen anything like it before coming from the UK. I enter the house alone. I tell Peter beforehand, wait. Here, if I leave in 20 minutes, I'm furious, come and rescue me. Saul has some pills and I asked him if he could try one because I've been taking ecstasy since I was in college.

He knew exactly what a pill tastes like. It should be 100 125 milligrams of mdma and clay. It has a very distinctive flavor, so he hands me one and says, Do you want to drink with it? I told him no, I need to chew it to know. Well chewed. He was good. I handed it to him. the bills he handed me the pills I'm a little apprehensive because I'm thinking, you know, he's going to rob me at any moment a police officer is watching his house, but once I got out, I got in the car and I felt a little safer I mentioned before that i was naive to police protocol right now i like to go and get educated from the new mexico mafia guys that are there but i have a twin turbo mazda rx7 it's like a spaceship this dark blue color that changes with the light .

I have a radar detector in the dash, I have DJ Sasha playing through the Bose surround sound system, and I have hair on the shifter seats all the way down. I'm going like almost 150 miles an hour with the radar. spot every now go glide slower think enough they'll stop us anyway we'll just play the english card 40 minutes in the xc start hitting me have you ever taken ecstasy? I've never been I have to tell you this right now I've never done any type of drug in my life except once and I'll let you know what it was.

He was a younger guy and he was with a girl. It was before I got married much earlier and she told me. I'm going to give you a quaalude and we're going to have a good time tonight and then she looked at me and said you know what you're so blunt about that, I'm going to cut you in half. I'm going to give you half a quaalude, so I took it and we partied that night. That's the only drug I've ever taken in my entire life. That's all. It's probably because you're so stubborn. Well, I don't. maybe because I don't know if I'm that stubborn, I don't want to get hooked, you know, it's one thing or the other, but it's easy to get hooked, yeah, that's one of the reasons why most of my friends came back from back then. the dead so we came back we made it back to rancho marietta the complex and those pills ran out in one weekend so I make that fateful decision do I want to keep the status of stockbroker in the sales office at six in the morning? meet up calling people all day or I can just make money from the party scene.

Hell yeah, I'm only going to make money off the party scene, so my emotional immaturity took over and when you're involved in something like that, as it gets bigger, I need people to protect you at the top, you know , I have around 200 people working for me. I have my own security team, but at first the guys had my back, so in Rancho Marietta we have already established several apartments. in that complex that are a soulful ecstasy for us or we could ask them for help if there is a situation where we are relaxing one day and we are having like a party in an apartment listening to music and a tough and handsome Chicano guy shows up for a long time. darkest prison tattoos chains and because I he is bringing the meth the weed the coke and I am bringing the ecstasy we are having a conversation at some point a police officer comes in and says I can smell the weed from outside no one moves g-dog the Mexican- An American guy just points his gun at the cop and says the only one who won't leave is you.

Everyone won, so we all went into the night. I had never seen anything so heavy before. I am absolutely myself. I'm thinking we're all going to go to prison for the rest of our lives. This maniac just caught a cop. I pointed a gun at a police officer. So I'm in an apartment owned by a guy named Fish who sells us XC. Fish is freaking out and says: Look. we have to shoot all our cops they'll be everywhere so we're all in panic mode the savage wasn't with us at the time what happens next is I was like bang bang bang bang at the french windows it's g-dog what you better let him in.

He comes in and instructed us right away. He said: Look, turn off the lights, turn off the television. They haven't had time to obtain a court order. If they knock on the door, don't answer. Everyone stay silent and that's what we did and the police came, they went door to door and the danger simply passed. There was a police car in front of the complex. Later we had several vehicles there and I told them - dog, look, I have a place in downtown Phoenix, a house there, it's so hot in this area right now, why don't I take you there to cool off?

And that is what I did. I took him there so later that night he said look because you and your friends had my back, my brothers and I had your back and he had no idea what that meant and then a few months later he says one of my brothers wants to meet you so tempi arizona street with low The rider shows off cars all the way we knock on the door and his brother answers, a short bald guy, he looks at me like you know who the hell this guy is and I start talking and he hears my English accent like If I said, damn it.

He talks funny, you really must be from England, he walks in and meets my friends, so we walk in. Now in the room are all the biggest Mexican-Americans I've ever seen, huge guys in little wife-beating vests and shorts down to below their knees. Chains of prison tattoos and everyone looks at me like they want to eat me. You know, I'm the skinny English guy, business graduate. They say: what is this guy doing here? So I'm looking around the room and there are guns. There are pieces of devices for weighing drugs and I looked at the television twice.

Oh yeah, next to the TV they have a screen that shows all the comings and goings on the street in case the police try to breach the house, but I'll do it. a double shot of the television that is not a decoration on top of the television. I've seen one of them before. Oh yeah, it was in a rambo movie. They had a rocket-propelled grenade launcher on top of the TV. I remember swinging a spoonful of coke in my face it's like a snort and g-dog says yes, not that and I started it, the brother took me to a separate room and asked me some questions and they started taking ecstasy from me and I I started getting some drugs from them. and the guy who threw that spoon in my face, I found out later when they sent them all away because their faces were in the mugshots, they were headliners, he was a hitman, a suspected hitman, let's say, in a massacre and people knew those guys had my back. so he kept me out of situations, let's say, and because they are an active mafia, there is a lot I can say about certain stories, but here is one of the stories and this is where my two worlds collide.

Now I'm at that crossroads where I'm still a stockbroker and I'm about to become an ecstasy dealer. I get a call at the Fish Fish office and they say, Can you do better? I have a situation. I need you to come. I told. What's happening? He says I can't tell you on the phone, you just have to come and see that you get better, man, I'm going to try to get better while Manny is in downtown Phoenix collecting debts for the Colombian crack dealer, so I couldn't get it. Wild man, so I go to Tempe to Fishy's house.

I knock the door. His girlfriend answers and she's crying, so I think she's been assaulted and Fish wants us, you know, he wants the wild man to do something about it. He hit the guy, so I say: What's wrong? and they're kind of stunned, it's like they can't talk and all of a sudden from a room I hear something like what was that so they come in and say go and look, you have to go and look what was that. Now in the room is one of my dog ​​friends that I met previously at these apartment parties.

He is an older boy, Mexican or Mexican-American, with a majestic silver hairstyle. He is calmly instructing a group of Mexicans as if this were just him. another day in the office instructions in Spanish and when they give these instructions in Spanish they have cattle prods and there is a naked man tied on the floor he has a rockabilly toupee and when he gives these instructions they electrocute him with the cattle prod and this guy starts walking like a rocking horse, he is gagged so he can't make a sound, you can see in his eyes that he fears for his life and when he is electrocuted, urine shoots out of his penis, so I haven't seen anything.

So earlier in my life, I'm looking at the guy running this operation thinking that if I show fear, they'll think I'm a liability and want to take me to the desert, how do I handle this situation? So I just kind of put on a brave face, smiled at the guy and said, "Look, I can't go wild, it seems like you guys have the situation under control. I came here from work. I have to get back to my office." You know I'll update Wildman on the situation if you need his help, just let us know and that's how I got out of it, but as I was driving back to the office I was having nightmares about that guy's fate.

I found out what happened, well first I found out why they had him and that was Fish, he told me he sold drugs for that guy, he was a customer, when Fish left the apartment the guy came back and now this is how Fish said. for me the guy came in he stole your drugs he stole your drugs I called you I called them and they got here first and what they did was tell his roommates that they had 24 hours to cook with 10g otherwise he left and they the money happened and they released him, so that was the end, that was his first real experience with Mexican guys, obviously they don't play games, you know, in the drug business, but that was kind of eye-opening.

You and you realized at that moment what you were and what you were dealing with I guess, but because I was so emotionally mature, I tell myself I'm living like a pulp fiction character, this is like a movie and drugs, even more so. The drugs I took alter your decision making processes and tell you you know this is great so let me ask you this. At this point, you see something like this. Do you say to yourself? You know this is not for me. I'm over it and maybe now is the time to get out before I have to deal with these guys.

If something goes wrong, I could be in trouble or you say you know what's right, you know I'm still in this. I'm ready to get started and now I want to do it in a big way. Well, obviously I know what you did, but what is your thought process at that moment? Well, I'm in shock for a couple of days thinking I shouldn't be doing this. This is wrong, that guy could have been murdered, this is too heavy and then once the shock wore off and the weekend came and I'm partying with a wild man for two days and then sleepless with strippers going by the best moment. life, I'm back to it, amazing, amazing, so even though that made me seem like that, that's something you know, a legit normal guy with your background would say I'm done, I'm out, but you know again that there's that something in some of us that you know that keeps us going in the same direction you know and I probably would have reacted I definitely would have reacted the same way okay I'm in this now let's go when I was in In my high school I was one one of the last to grow up in my year group, so I was intimidated by the rugby players.

I was afraid to go out and break and I hid in the technical room and then,When I was 16, I passed. my driver's license test and went to fill up my mom's little red car with gasoline, I mean gasoline, as you call it. Four big rugby player sized guys, in their 20s, approached me and I thought it was brave to confront them. He made me fall to the ground kicking me in the head, kicking me in the face, one had an iron bar, he smashed me in the face, he knocked out the bottom of my teeth, so I have these veneers on my front teeth, so it was a very anxious teenager. because for a period of years I didn't go out dancing, I didn't go out to talk to women, but once I started to get into ecstasy, I was the complete opposite, I was a big party animal, so I went from being a nobody in a town from chemical manufacturing who was being

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Cool Guy, the guy with the pills and from all these beautiful American women who were approaching me because of my English accent because I was throwing these parties, that's how you know, they It became something that I fed my ego it was a rush it was uh I get it I get it I heard where you come from and what you know the way people accepted you they're looking at you now looking at you wanting you to be you know wanting to be in your presence I mean, I get it, you know, it's powerful when things like that take over, let me ask you this and I'm going to get into a little story in a minute, so now you dive into this and you have you know a brilliant mind and you're figuring out okay?

How can I capitalize? How do I get the best possible product on the street? How do I get people to come to me to get the best? Then you start thinking about it and you find a way, yeah, so I lose Wildman for the first time. At this point, he has been through so many apartments and so many hotels that he has been banned. First he meets a woman who was a striptease dancer. Who liked sm? She showed up at one of those apartment parties. Wildman's party tricks were just to sit there and tell the whole room who wants to punch me in the face as hard as they want or shoot me with a stun gun.

I have a stun gun. and he would hit him and taser him and he would just laugh like his toes had been tickled, so this woman who shows up with her bat-headed gorilla boyfriend on steroids walks up to the wild man and She tells him, "That's nothing, I Tasered my man so wild, well, show me." and she says, well, I can't because I'm with him and Wildman says, well, send him to do something. This is a crazy story. He says I have spaghetti bolognese in the kitchen. I tell you to go and

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up some spaghetti bolognese, that's what this guy ends up doing, he lifts his skirt, he has no panties on, he takes the Taser and I'm watching this and the blue lights go up and down, wow, his lady parts , that was love at first sight.

So what, when the guy came back with the spaghetti bolognese, he just said, well, then he starts watching, he says it's good, she's with me, now we'll go to yours later and get all the stuff, and everything there was a confrontation. a little bit, but the boy could see the madness, yeah, he left, he closes the door and leaves, so it's love at first sight, so Wildman ends up on that first trip to America, he and his girlfriend are like Bonnie and Clyde, they're just out there scamming. go behind closed doors to restaurants and not pay or work, they will not have housing because they are very crazy and they will end up living under a tree in Tempe Beach Park with a Rambo knife and a baseball bat, but a wild man has taken control of the La street people in Tempe Beach Park there were two Native American gangsters that would come and shake up the street people and when they came one night a wild man took out his bat and took care of it and then he became the king of the street .

There are people there, but he ends up getting arrested, decides it's a ministerial partnership and left for about two or three years, but through my relationships with Acid Joey the supply came up and through G-Dog I had protection and things just started. to work. it grows from there, so as any businessman knows vertical and horizontal integration, if you bring the pills and host the parties, you are fully integrated if you have your own security gatekeepers, any outside distributor is shut down and those pills It's recycled in the house and you have a monopoly on the supply at these raves and over time it built up so I structured it like a corporation so I have several division bosses from time to time we would have a crime family dinner for the bosses of the divisions and they have the guys under them who sell the pills and I also knew that if I had only dealt with a few select people, that would be my shield against law enforcement and any potential dangerous competitors because I would structure it in a way in which that they would have to get through that shield, arrest or eliminate one of them before they could get to me, so that's what allowed me to take it to the next level, let me give you something.

Personal involvement I had in this in the late '90s. I was involved in a club on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood. It was called Billboard Live at the time and I had a partner there and then it became the key club after we broke up. with Billboard Live continued for many, many years, there was a time when ecstasy was filling that club, I mean filling it, everyone was partying with ecstasy and it caught my attention, my partner's attention and I'm talking to some of the goalkeepers. Where things come from? You know, and one of them even offered, Mike said.

You know, I had someone come. You know, we can run a little drive here. We can earn extra money. I said no, we don't do that. Know? I'm on probation, I don't want anything to do with it, you know, and also I'm not in the drug business at all, so I'm doing a little research and finding out where all this is coming from and people saying it. Yo, it's just from an English guy from Arizona, somewhere that's supposed to be the big supplier, right, the English guy didn't tell me your name and then I heard that you know Sammy Gravano is also involved in this and that's where the things. and there are some distributors in Los Angeles that are bringing it there and shortly after that I was going to contact Sammy.

You know, I knew the whole situation with him and I tell him that this guy with all the things he has to do is not it. dealing drugs here, well, they arrested him, you know, shortly after that and that was the end of it. I didn't hear what happened to you and then I knew that I kept the ecstasy out of the club, I said that "We are finding it here, we will throw you out, I told the bouncers that we can, I said, well, my association with this club I will be the trafficker of Biggest ecstasy in town and I've never hit a stop but they'll throw it all at me so I want y'all to get out of here but that was something like that but this English guy from Arizona is the main supplier for him and Sammy Govano and I wonder if they hooked up, if they hooked up, you know, Sammy got a guy from England, what is it really?

So I'm glad you said that because that confirms my story and coming from someone like you, a lot of people? You'll hear that and think, wow, so I appreciate Michael. Well, that's the truth, that's how what really happened with you and Sammy played out, okay, before we get to Sammy, let me tell you how the two changed. methods of transportation, so I get between one thousand and five thousand pills from the city. I imagine they will get them from Holland, I am 10 from the city. now Holland two dollars a pill one of my smugglers is stopped at Sky Harbor airport by a wild woman actually the girlfriend of a wild man from Liverpool who on his first visit had just told him that he was going to the corner store to buy a bottle of milk and he got on a plane to Arizona and she was called a wild woman for a reason, they were just yeah, yeah, they were both pretty dangerous people, so they stopped the wild woman at Sky Harbor Airport.

The pills are in a luggage in vitamin containers. the customs people take her to the back room open the luggage put them on the table and say what they are she says vitamins she says great pick them up put them back in the luggage and tell us wow no that was close. I was going to say that was before 9/11 for sure, yes they had caught up with ecstasy, either correctly because that was it, it was still comparatively new, the feds hadn't come to Arizona when the tumbanos people lit up the scene, that's what happened and that's it. that caused the death, so what happens next is everyone who works for me has legal benefits if they are arrested, we post bail, we tell them to plead guilty to the fifth, we will get you out and assign you a lawyer if you haven't made.

You have a criminal record, you probably won't even serve any prison time for the first time, that worked out very well now that we had a lawyer we trusted, so when our wife was arrested in Sky, they didn't arrest her, she stopped in Sky Harbor, I asked the lawyer. What should we do with our traffic route? And she said that anyone coming from Holland to the United States is a red flag. You have to start passing this through Mexico. If you're a gringo crossing the Arizona border and you have scuba tanks taurus brickerback piñatas this is what we did we had suvs we have university of arizona stickers no one's going to stop now okay so our route was homocide airport to mexico city land france paris flight and then you take a train to holland before 9 11 you could put pills in pillowcases and get on a flight.

I remember if you wanted to be more secure you could put them on bolted computer towers. The most we got in one shipment was 40,000 pills using that method and that's how it got big now everything was going well until a new type of xc dealer started showing up in the clubs. These are jock characters on steroids, not like the ravers we were dealing with and they were aggressive and loud and bragging. They were the biggest ecstasy barons in the history of the world and they

brought

a lot of

heat

with them, so he had a wife.

At that time she was a very intelligent woman. She was doing lesbian porn on the Internet when I met her. he was extremely wild doing a lot of drugs, he joined the strip club because he liked a woman who made fun of her and he joined the strip club only to seduce that woman and have a relationship with her which was successful. I had another lesbian, a bisexual lover who was dating one of these new types of ecstasy dealers, the steroid addicts, and through those relationships through women, my wife told me that these guys wanted to meet me, so We went to a bar in Tucson called Heart Five because I'm curious.

Who are these guys who step on my toes and take one of my bodyguards? One of the Rossetti brothers is tied up and I say, he sees if these guys make a move, he tries to kidnap me, just open up and get me out of there. Now I have this anxiety, you know, but I was on drugs for over 10 years. That's how I was able to cope with being a little crazy to get away with these deals, so before I went in there, I thought it was okay. I have heard of the Englishman Sean. They probably have the wrong idea.

You know I'm such a big, tattooed guy that he looks like a gangster. So I'll have to act a little crazy because I'm not a wild man. The good man is not here. I drank some ghb, did meth, walked in there and a guy named the Spaniard says, "Nice to meet you." English Sean, come to the VIP room and meet my partner, so let's go to the VIP room, this is six past one. half a foot guy, his biceps are bigger than my head and he yells at everyone in the VIP room to get out and they jump off the couch, the chairs, the room is clear, they obviously know who these people are now when I was a kid and I used to stay at my grandpa Fred's house.

One trick he used to pray for me was that when he walked past me, he would grab my leg just above the knee really hard and make me jump. I'm thinking what crazy thing I can do. and it occurred to me, I'll sit between them on the couch, grab both their legs above the knees and make them jump, that's what I did, so they looked at me like that, guys, isn't there anything wrong with this? . boy, he's looking crazy, so the spaniard was very calm and said, look sean, we know you're close to the locals, we know you're moving a lot of product, we're moving our product, why don't you move some of ours? product now I have been at this for years in Arizona and my product is a white or beige 125 milligram mdma pill.

My dealers took test kits from a website called Dance Safe, which changes, you know, the pill turns blue-purple for display. you pill composition did you know that if I bring tens of thousands of pills per shipment someone could die, it is extremely rare, most of the time when people die from ecstasy it is due to the toxic ingredients that The pills contain. No one ever died from our pills we would have known right away we tried them we had a good reputation so I told them you areMoving these colored pills I have a reputation for my beige white press I'm not going to get involved with your colored pills Now the big guy jumps off the couch at this point Who do you think you're disrespecting our pills?

Don't you know who we work for? One call to send me the ball and we can get you out. the desert so i was a news war

sammy

the gambinos murdered almost two dozen people i'm thinking is this guy just fuming or is this real i go back to the bar to the main room my wife is unconscious she's drunk so much ghb rosetti that My bodyguard had come in behind me and had been watching everything, he picked up my wife and we went out to the car. Rossetti says, "What's up," I said, they said they're working for Sammy the Gravano

bull

, he says, oh, this is heavy.

I told them, well, don't worry, I told them it's not ourselves we have to worry about, it's the feds, ever since you guys came on the scene, there are cars with tinted windows driving around, we're seeing the windows roll down on these cars. . cameras filming license plates and people entering clubs you have to stop hanging around you know your dealers are walking around bragging about the biggest ecstasy barons in the history of the world you have to be more secretive if this is like this you know there are enough demand from you remember, and denzel says i have a brand, their drugs were called blue magic, you know, nikki barnes was trading that name by giving a lower quality product and they kind of had a blast, so that's nice.

This is real life imitating art, so to speak, or art imitating real life, you know, the other way around, business reputation is everything exactly if I adulterate my reputation with these colored pills exactly exactly the peace didn't last long so you never met yes he did Did you ever meet Sammy? You never met Sammy. I never claimed to have met Sammy. Sammy posted something recently saying that he never met me and you know, my followers who read my books. The party time is up there, which details everything and if you look. in my videos about

sammy

they all say sammy the bulls crew none of them say i ever met sammy so in that sense they are both consistent sammy says he never met you and you know you never met sammy so there is no problem There is no problems there, but since my channel is big and since I've made a lot of content exposing elite pedophilia and the Epstein case that I'm getting trolled from right now, people have really trashed my channel left and right, they've got the trolls on contact with everyone in my life, my prosecutor, my ex-girlfriend sammy the bull and they have tried to create disputes between everyone in my past life, they are trying to find holes in my story and they are just trying to cause general chaos for close me but back to my story then the piece didn't last long another click we found out they said they were working for sammy the bull because sami now says he wasn't even running the ecstasy let's say they said they were working for sammy the bull wow sure, Dr.

Pisami, I love your channel. I subscribed and I sit there fascinated with your stories and yours. You're both the go-to guys for Matthew stories for a lot of people here in the UK and congratulations. to both of you for your success thank you very much that's all just if i can respond to sammy and i have different styles sammy is a great storyteller and stammy you know sammy because of his situation you know he can expand a little more on things that I, you just know I don't have that luxury, but he's great and I agree, look, he's the real deal, no doubt, he tells the story great and the channel is growing and I'm happy for him.

I know this is what he chose to do and I appreciate you saying that you know we're both telling it like it is and giving the people what they want to hear, yes, when we get to jail, when Gerard Gravano is there. In Towers jail I think it's 2002 2003. The guards know we're rival clicks so when we go to court one night when Gerard just showed up after his I think he got out on bail and then they arrested him again. The guards handcuffed Gerard to a wild man. What will happen? Wow, I've gotten to know Gerard.

He's a good guy lately. I really like it. I really appreciate it. You've never met him and I don't know what experience you've had. Have you had or heard of him, but is he a good guy? I met Gerard and stayed in touch with him after his imprisonment. I haven't spoken to him in recent years. I tell you how he was a great fighter. Towers Jail was taking down those big guys really hard and he told me a lot about his growing up and what he went through, and you know when you have a dad like that he has such a high reputation for dangerous crimes as well as glamorous ones.

As it is for the public, for some members of the public, children can go through hell due to pressures, dangers and various other factors, so my heart goes out to him for what he went through and he is a strong individual who leads your business over time. in Arizona it looks like he has a good woman from looking online and yeah, power to him and what he's doing and Sean, if I can expand on that, you know my father was who he was and you know the reputation he had was very destructive. For my family, I mean, you know I had a sister who turned to drugs and ultimately died of an overdose at the age of 27.

My younger brother was a drug addict for 25 years and finally cooperated with the authorities. My younger sister testified against my father and got into the witness protection program thanks to my dad the whole time he did it, you knew she died young of cancer, but she was kind of a basket case, I have to say I You know and then, of course, my mom, you know it was. It was tragic, my relationship with my dad, so you know, and for some reason I was able to get out of all that, it wasn't easy, but I did it, so I consider myself very blessed. , but you know, I understand what Gerard is saying. happened and what his family had to go through as a result of Sami's involvement in that life one of the main reasons I walked away was because I didn't want my family to be destroyed and I knew that would be the case because I had too much of a reputation, it was too much target of law enforcement, eventually I was going to go down and go down big, there was no doubt about it, I just wanted my family to, you know, avoid all that and have a life and that's it.

The reason I walked away when you say that about Gerard, it's totally true and I'm glad you made that observation because it's so accurate. You have to have a unique skill set, Michael, to navigate that dangerous world and get through it with that sound. think now and do it, you know these things online and you influence so many people for the better to harness the negative and transform energy to change people's lives so it's absolutely brilliant what you're doing. I appreciate that you know that I put a lot of that again on the responsibility of having a good wife, you know, of holding myself accountable to the right people that keep me straight because you know, Shawn, look and I know that you're doing the right thing now and that you're in the right path, but there is always I always say that you can take the boy out of Brooklyn, but you can't take Brooklyn out of the boy completely.

We still have that tendency sometimes to say hello. I'm ready to do something crazy, but you know, I got it. I'll be honest, you know, people say, "You miss the old life," and I was like, yeah, I do sometimes, I mean, we had a good time. You know, of course, there was a lot on both sides, but you know the times we had were good and you know. You just have to put yourself in the right position, surround yourself with the right people and be strong enough to know how to stay the course, so let me come back to this at the end of the day, how did you get caught? because you know, I tell people all the time that I don't care who you are, how strong you are, how many good people you have around you and I had all that, but eventually if you stay in that, you're going to fall and how did it happen? that?

So Sammy, the bull crew, a different faction than the guys I met in Tucson. Law Skinner, my main ecstasy salesman, takes him to a nightclub in Scottsdale and knocks out his teeth. I worry a lot right now. I moved from Scottsdale where I was to a million dollar house on the side of a mountain in the Synvaccus community of Catalina Foothills in Tucson, where Joe Banano Sr. is one of my neighbors and miles down the mountain range There's Paul McCartney. This is a safe neighborhood where To go outside there is a guard at a barrier and this guy has to call your house and raise the barrier to let anyone in, so I did it as a security measure because I mentioned before that I had a protective shield and I knew it so soon. like anyone in that protective shield got hidden, I was next, so the skin is down, next I'm moved to no vacust in the hills there in Tucson, the most beautiful place I've ever lived in my life, I won't go into too many details there.

Although I feel pretty safe now that I have a right-hand man named Cody Bates saying his name because he's dead. God bless him after they arrested us all. He was my right hand man because he never took drugs after we all got caught. they arrested him he got depressed he said we were like his family he went straight to heroin his parents sent him to a rehab center run by scientologists they put him on drugs that had the side effect of committing suicide then he hanged himself so cody bates rented an apartment just for the money he would drive to my house in Tucson to talk business if everything was going well with all the faction bosses he is collecting the money by handing out the pills there were no problems I would just hang out there you know how to get My party continued with my wife and my friends friends if there was any problem, if someone wasn't paying or someone was giving us a problem or someone was trying to rob one of our guys, dog, wild man or you know one of the security guys.

I would take care of that situation now that Skin's teeth have been knocked out. I'm sure wondering what's going on with the Gravan guys and I think it was early after the millennium headline news, those guys got locked up and I was thankful the police got them out. the competition was a multi agency investigation, I didn't realize that all those resources were going to be directed at me, we had a guy who sold pills for us who played both sides and he was charged with 57 with gavano and that One guy He took $10,000 from one of our clients and went to buy pills from one of the Gravanos.

The guys were arrested when leaving the house. The police took the pills but let him go. Our client went and complained to the wild man. The wild man finds the guy and says look what you're going to do with this, well the cops took the pills, they don't have the money, nothing I could do, a wild man hit him so hard, this guy's truth is over caught between two of his knuckles and didn't come out. Wildman hated hospitals he had to go to the hospital they took him out but they told him he had to be stitched that's right, I'll do it myself he left the hospital he went home with and with fishing line he simply sewed his fist but it got infected and he had to back to the hospital anyway, so all those accusations subside for the first time and I thank the police for taking out the graffano, but then the new Mexican mafia bosses leave. downstairs too so g-dog over the years he's been in and out of prison one night we were up to something and he dropped him off at his brother's house we got to the neighborhood the whole neighborhood is dark there are guys outside with lights like the ones you see on the airport runways on your line guiding traffic as we pull up to his brother's house, this is the house with the rocket-propelled grenade launcher on top of the television.

The federal SWAT team is taking out all these guys and we just looked at them and kept driving and then it hit the headlines that that night this is the first time I find out who they are these are the bosses of the new Mexican mafia in arizona they are the criminal organization most dangerous in arizona in That time they are eliminating witnesses who were trying to murder police officers, a judge and who even tried to murder the head of the Arizona department of corrections back then and people could find all this big news online back then and I'm looking at the mugshots. and as God knows, I've been meeting these guys for years, I was always very tense every time I went there and I always wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible, they told me from the beginning. leave if you get stopped leaving here we have a lawyer you tell the police officer you're in a hurry you don't want the car searched if they force you to register you call this lawyer you exercise your right to a refund silently so they fully educated me in legal strategy and it was their lawyer that I will use later who became a united front for all the co-defendants and that is why only four of us were so united, only four of our 100+ co-defendants rolled versus with TheSami's team, all 57 of them, rolled, so Sammy's team goes down, some of them are released on bail, so they are up to tricks and I found out from the witness statements.

Later, there are 10 witness statements authorizing the wiretapping. There were some of the guys that were. Those who work for the Gravino company were also telling the cops that they were working for me, whether they were there or not, they were just trying to give the cops a lot of information about me to deescalate their situations and while they were in a situation with one of them, The car ended up, I don't know, blown up or burned, one of their cars and that's in the police reports too, so I'm thinking, you know, those guys are down, the new Mexican mafia guys are down , maybe I.

Now I'm next, the lawyer who gave us advice on how to bring the pills through Mexico. She says: Look, I have a contact at the DEA. The pressure is on. You shouldn't go near drugs right now. I met a woman like Well, I told her this. I was in love with this woman. She's like Sean. This is very dangerous. What you are doing. I'm afraid of the wild man. I'm afraid of the dog. These people terrify me. The wild man just gets high and walks. for days and days and it ends up in a random house of someone you don't even know and it ends with a call to the police and these guys are maniacs.

This is crazy, if you love me you would quit this, so I actually quit for a year. Before the SWAT team arrived I was living with my girlfriend in an apartment in Scottsdale I had enrolled in Scottsdale Community College I was taking Spanish classes wow I was taking kickboxing classes in Tempe I was trading the stock market online again and we were like Okay, things are very hot for us here still, even though I quit, we have to move to Los Angeles, so we were about to move to Los Angeles on May 16, 2002. I'll get up early, I'll get On the computer, I sell shorts, some stocks, all the way. put options and there is a knock on the door bam bam bam bam bam jumps a lot through the passed out people are they the police or are they people pretending to be police coming to rob me they look out the window the whole apartment is completely surrounded?

I'm like, oh, what are we going to do? I go to the bedroom with my girlfriend. Okay, we better let them in because there's more banging going on at the Tempe Police Department right now. We have a court order. Open the door. We reach the middle of the room. room and then it just boom the door flies off the hinges it hits a wall and there's just falling to the floor you must have been attacked by the SWAT team

michael

oh many times very familiar no it's just a no it's not a knock on the door it's a knock knocking on the door with bull horns and everything else, come out with your hands up, yes, I've been through that many times, sean, so I understand it before you hit the ground and time almost stops and everyone They're in bad shape, but you could see their eyes, yeah, the tension in their eyes and you're thinking, if these guys open up to me right now, my life is gone inside, guys, it's a crazy feeling, isn't it?

It sure did, my heart almost jumped out of my chest, they're like dropping to the ground, don't do it, so my girlfriend and I fall, we're crushed and there were two main detectives, one in particular was my nemesis later , when I read all the discoveries. Guys were sitting in Indian restaurants at the table next to me while I ate eavesdropping on all this following me for like five years and um, the nemesis finally appears in my face, pulls my handcuffs, it's like English Sean, you're a big name and we finally have you now I'm just in my shorts box now you start yelling at my girlfriend I'm exercising my right to remain silent love I'm exercising my right to remain silent love and they like I shut my mouth like if I was exercising my right to read silent love and they just grabbed me and half threw me down the stairs and that was the beginning, then we were processed by Tempe police and sent to Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Maricopa County. prison system where for 26 months I am fighting the case and this is like this, so it is the raw survival of the fittest if you think the stories I have told so far are dangerous, but let me ask you this directly, right? an informant who eventually turned on you or, you know, accumulation of evidence, it's always an informant, so I'm wondering in this case the same thing, yes, there were ten witness statements and somewhere informants, some people have been arrested by the tax company. some owned property in places that the wild man had destroyed because the wild man came and went three times like I said, he was a minister of the society, he caught him and the wild women got so horny that they ended up running away and I had to relocate them to mexico people in arizona said wildman thinks he's tough does he do all this in arizona if he tries? that in Mexico they will kill him and the first house I put him in exploded a few days later and my boy went there and did it.

He didn't have a phone, my boy fell so we thought the Mexicans had killed him but what we found was a wild man and a wild woman their relationship was based on domestic violence they arrived at that house the first day they had a fight over a gas pipe had been broken and During the fight they stopped to take a smoke break and when they took a smoke break and lit the fight they saw a wall of blue flames explode and they got out of the house in time before all the windows exploded so that, while they Wildman has many stories of houses being burned down and blown up unintentionally just because of their crazy behavior, so there were people with property whose property had been destroyed by the wildlings, informants, people from the Gravano company and Skinner, my xc's main salesman was the guy who did the most damage now when the wild man came for the second time in the wild man's absence, Skinner had become my closest friend so Skinner was just a little guy and it was like smoking crack and living in a dumpster when I met him, I took him. off the streets he became my main salesman he got a house he got a good woman they had a son but when the wild man came, I know this is my best friend since childhood, then he broke out and Skinner did some power plays against me, one of was when Wildman was in a deportation prison for almost a year.

I think it was his second deportation skinner who had been jealous of Wild Man and the meat had been piling up. The wild woman was moving a lot of pills for me. She lived in Farmer. in Tempe in an apartment upstairs and he had a group of black gangsters, they came up with this plan whereby a Molotov cocktail flew from his window almost set him on fire, these gangsters showed up and said look, we've come to save you. In the car bring all your pills but they didn't know how tough a wild woman she was. I mean dating a wild man to stop doing all these things and having this relationship based on violence.

This woman was incredibly tough. She was a tiny blonde. woman, but they didn't know what they were dealing with, so she comes out and says, who do you think you're talking to? Do you think I just got off the banana boat because I'm English and have the best liver? Do you want me to get in a car with you? They just set me on fire too. I don't know you guys from Adam and they just left, they couldn't deal with her, so Skinner thinks Wildman is in this deportation camp. I can't go back to the country, I have a liar on the case, he speeds up the release of the wild man, the wild man returns to the country and then there is something between them too because, well, they call him a wild man from the place of deportation, saying that so As soon as I get back, the first thing I'm going to do is kill Skinner so he's high on meth.

The days without sleep will never allow him to have guns, but he has multiple guns and he finds Skinner's game. Skinner leaves the state after he snitched on us because The wild man is so scared that one of my other boys, Joey Crack, shows up at Skinner's house thinking Skinner will be there. The wild man is there and Joey Crack says that Wildman had every weapon known to man in that place laid out like a screwdriver, a golf hammer. He bludgeons several knives and as soon as Joey Crack came into the wild he just grabbed him and grabbed a gun he thinks he's skinny wow so it was our inner boy that took us down properly because he knew everything about us always happens we're fuming just to try to reduce yours, especially the gravel ones, it always happens, you know, and eventually it's going to go down like that even after you're done a year, you know, they catch up with you, well, I gotta tell you Sean , this was great.

I'm serious, you know, this is like the wolf of Wall Street meets the Englishman, you know, it's, I mean, it's great, it's a great story, it really is a fantastic story, I'm glad you're okay. this moment. although it seems like you're coming back and I hope these trolls you know go away because they shouldn't be able to shut anyone up when they know how to tell their stories and tell the truth, we're dealing with it. Largely here in the United States, it's terrible and I hope people talk enough and get rid of these tech giants that can censor us.

It's terrible while the man does something crazy from the beginning that I'm going to do. I will tell you next time Wild Man signed a plea deal after 12 months so I will fight the case for 26 months and they will move me from medium security to maximum security to supermax, they are really with me, the prosecutor will pressure me later. in I'm completely separated from my co-defendants what guy is coming into my life um his book is up there he's dead now his name is the mafia philosopher two tonys he's an old school mafia associate from the banana crime family who walked Under the elder Joe Bonanno, he didn't want me to reveal his real name out of consideration for his family, so we called him two Tonys, but he told me his life story and took me under his wing and mentored me.

He was like a natural philosopher, he taught me all these life lessons and I would like in the second part in honor of him and the wild man to go into the stories of them in the incarceration scenarios and if people are interested in what we do . I've heard so far the story of my life is a trilogy, so party time is all that led to the SWAT team. The hard time is Arpaio's jail and the prison time is DLC and what happens after that. Thank you very much to Michael for coming to your channel. I have a large, well-respected following and I would like to tell young people who see this not to buy gangster writers.

It was two Tonys who taught me that expression, gangster writers. I told you to keep your day jobs, folks, you see the glitz, the glamour. I've been talking about it enthusiastically here, but I work in drug education schools and it's mainly the consequences that I focus on in life lessons when your mom flies 5,000 miles to visit you in a jail in a poor neighborhood in Arizona where They wait for her outside. for hours and hours and they've had sniffer dogs up her ass and they're talking down to her, these redneck guards and you see her bent over in that jail with her face broken because you went in there and she's out there having your come back, it doesn't matter why whatever you put him through, think of the damage to your family, the damage you are causing to society, end up in prison please, and death, and I have never claimed to be a gangster, people call me And he says that Sean Atwood thinks he's a big guy and says he'll take on Sammy the ball, he's a tough guy, I mean, look at these hands, I have hands to play the piano, I'm a keyboard player, I'm a business nerd, the wild man was the great one. tough guy, not me, so I too had gangsteritis and lost six years of my life and I do yoga, I do meditation, I believe in karma and I'm trying to balance it now by doing the right thing, working with young people and helping.

People share their stories on my platform so they can rebuild their lives because it was very cathartic for me to publish the book, publish the YouTube channel to tell my story and see all the love and responses it received. It really helped me mentally. I was just a little institutionalized when I came out, he helped me adjust. It's like those people, those strangers, are there in spirit with you, so yeah, thank you so much to the people who watch this and I love what you do. Michael, thanks again. Well, Sean, thank you. You and I appreciate that message you just sent to everyone.

It's something I always try to leave with my viewers. You know, and I've spoken all over the world for the last 25 years, especially to our young people. You and I are on the same page. That crime doesn't pay, think about what it will do to your family because that's what we really have to consider, so I really appreciate you keeping up the great work. It was a tremendous meeting we had, so thank you. again have a great rest of your night,I think brilliant, that's the term you use all the time in the UK, you know, have a great rest of your night, okay, take care, okay, my friend, take care, thank you, regards, so there you are .

Have it, Shawn Atwoods, thank you again for everything you do and everyone who looks at me and what I say, how I leave you all the time, take care of yourself, be healthy, God bless you and yes, I'll see you next time.