'Nobody believes you': Poilievre grills Trudeau as he testifies over WE Charity controversy

Yes or no, Mr. President, Prime Minister, you were found guilty twice of violating the ethics law after those two convictions, did you decide to read the law? You got 14 seconds, Prime Minister, um, yes, I have read the law several times, are you aware? of section 21 eh, yes, since I read the law, I know the sections, what it says, I can get it out of you, but if you have it in front of you, you know well, says a holder of a public office from which If one must abstain from any discussion, decision debate or vote on any matter in which uh uh with respect to which he or she would be in a conflict of interest, now what you have admitted today is not only that you were in a conflict of interest, but that you recognized consciously at your May cabinet meeting that such a conflict could exist and that it was not lost on you that you were aware that there was an inappropriate connection with your family that would put you in conflict, why at that time did you not call the ethics commissioner and recused himself?

That's simply not true, Mr. Polyeff, the question of moving forward on issues for one's event because of the way the ethics commissioner is investigating this right now and I fully trust his judgment. I'm continuing to determine that, uh, but at the same time my concern about recusing myself was a question about perceptions, uh, because I knew very well that this Canada summer student scholarship, Carter, was not going to directly benefit, uh, my mother or my brother, you have 16 seconds. Sir, you're out of 16 seconds. I'm going to ask him again because no one, no one

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him when he says that he doesn't know how much money his family received from the We group.

He had a month to investigate and he knew it. You were going to testify here again how much money in total your brother, your mother and your spouse received from this organization. how much information has been shared publicly, but I'll highlight and then tell me what it is, my money, how much is just the dollar figure. throughout his life, the prime minister's dollar figure in various ways and it's the amount of work he's done and I'm proud of how much I'm looking for a dollar figure, we can get you that number if you want, it's been a way out . in the media it has been in the media but you don't know it I don't have it in front of me you don't know how much your family has received from this organization to which you tried to donate 500 million dollars it can really I answer you, Mr.

Pauliev, I am waiting, no has responded so far. Let's make this the first one. My mother has worked as an advocate. The figure in dollars. Prime Minister. Speaker. By how many good organizations across the country. Mr. Prime Minister? uh the work that my mother is doing because I have a point of order to suspend what she is doing um that the president's power is gone and he is no longer part of this meeting um uh can I propose that we agree with that no I suspected that could be a problem. It is a very convenient time for the lights to go out.

Look. I received a message that the power went out. I have no reason to distrust him. I hope you don't set off the fire alarm now. Yeah, well, look, there's no intention in my own private home here in the middle of a pandemic, I don't have a fire alarm, um, the general, the general process is that the vice president assumes, uh, assumes the presidency of the meeting, so we will continue. that would be that would be me so we will continue the meeting um and now I give the floor to the member for carlton um mr prime minister, I am going to ask you for the last time how much your family received from this organization how much have you read about the conflict of interest? uh, act as a mystery.

I have how a foreigner is defined, so you are not going to answer the question about how much your family receives. Okay, you're right, gentlemen, and he was the first Christian minister. ahead of time, okay, it wouldn't be the first time you tried to turn off the lights and that's exactly what happened here, we have a storm here anyway, uh, uh, where will you be? You've already spent your five minutes, but let's go with one last question. Um, you, Mr. Trudeau, I'm going to conclude by asking you. You claim that you are not aware of the amount that has been paid in expenses to your spouse.

He correctly pointed out that the law defines family to include the spouse, therefore, you Knew you know you are under investigation regarding the act. I'll ask you again how much in total and I'm looking for a dollar figure here, sir, how much did your spouse receive in reimbursed expenses or other benefits from this organization? how much was the original question mr paulian, how much was my immediate family, i asked you a different question, the prime minister is the floor, my wife has never been paid since i was prime minister, her expenses were reimbursed, mr paliyev , could we please sort ourselves out.

We will allow the Prime Minister to answer the question and then we will move on to Mr. Zero Ms. Zerwitz, I'm sorry, Julie, Mr. Prime Minister, you have about 30 seconds here. The ethics commissioner has fully authorized my wife to continue her advocacy and her work with us, the

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and other organizations in the type of work she has been doing all her life, just the dollar for doing it without remuneration to us , we do not pay you for your advocacy or your podcasts. simply reinforcements for expenses thank you uh thank you mr prime minister