Marvel Villains Vs Other Marvel Villains

hello everyone welcome to the only cbr saga cbr podcast today we're talking about mcu

villains

so it's only fair that today's episode is sponsored by minions r us if you need a random bully for your arch nemesis to beat up , don't worry, call minions. It's us, but enough about corporate sponsorship, let's get into our saga. The MCU has given us some of the greatest

villains

of all time, but one question I could never quite shake is what would happen if these villains interacted with each

other

. There would be many fights, but which villain would finally emerge victorious today.

We're pitting some of the MCU's best villains against each

other

. Check out this lineup. We have Ultron vs. Thanos Killmonger vs. Red Skull and then a full on magic. Battle with Loki versus Mysterio Yes, that's right, you heard me correctly, so who wins, who loses, who ends up crying in the corner, let's find out right now. I'm joined by my co-host, Nick Nick, how are you today? Are you OK? Ready to see something? Villains punch each other in the face, isn't that what we're all here for? Don't we just want villains to punch each other in the face over and over again to make us happy?

He would certainly do a lot of hero work. It's easier, Jacoby, so let's get into our first matchup today, which I think is going to be good. I think for this first battle I want to pit two huge villains against each other, villains who could go mono and mono with each other. another and I think what would be a great fight is Ultron vs Thanos, what do you think of this confrontation? I think when you first say that people might hesitate a little bit and say okay, but there's a clear winner here, I think thanos without the infinity gauntlet. it actually makes this a much more interesting and pretty close fight because they would fight in different ways uh but i think one would come out victorious yeah im happy you said that because yeah this is a thanos without the infinity gauntlet um, without the Infinity Stones, but I still think that even without all that power he used to wipe out half the universe, Thanos is going to beat that robot into spare parts, what do you think?

I don't think so, Thanos is a good fighter, he proved to be. He tells us that he could take on the Hulk one on one, the problem is that he wouldn't take on Ultron one on one. Ultron has the ability to build multiple bodies and they are all him, technically they are all him, they all work in harmony. said that in the age of Ultron, he also has the ability to create himself from this indestructible material that Thanos just I don't think we can overcome, I think Ultron will have more bodies in the fight and will be able to get closer to Thanos from different angles, look what the Avengers were able to do.

They were able to subdue Thanos even with the Infinity Stones when they came at him all at once. Look, here's my problem with all these extra Ultron bodies running around. because I like to quote the big uh drax here where it seems like all the little ultron copies of all the robots of him are like paper people, I mean did you see how the Avengers took down these guys like they were nothing here? Thanos is this hulking brute and yes, he doesn't have the infinity stones to break through, but he's still a great fighter, as we mentioned, he fought the Hulk and brought the Hulk to his knees.

Thanos can obviously destroy anything he has here. and yes, Ultron is made of this super strong material, but that doesn't necessarily mean all of his robots are, unless Ultron harnesses some, you know, finds some vibranium, but even if he does, we've seen Thanos power going through a vibranium when he broke some kind of cap shield, I mean, just because Ultron is made of something super strong, uh, Thanos will still hit him and make him wish he was never created. Thanos is good, but Ultron has Tony Stark's mind, he is basically Tony Stark's son and Tony Stark was an avenger who was able to face Thanos.

He was a human being who was able to confront Thanos even if it was for a short time. It didn't end well for him, but he was able to come up with different ways to confront Thanos. make Thanos bleed, no one else could do that at that time, the fact is that Ultron has the same mentality and the same arrogance towards him, but it's a good thing because he needs to be able to believe that he can beat Thanos. and ultron will definitely be able to do that, he listens to mantis drax and like spider man he was able to grab thanos and almost take off his gauntlet.

I guarantee you could get some Ultron bodies, make them stronger than others, yes there were some in That Sokovia Fight that died very easily like by Hawkeye's arrow, but the fact is that Ultron could create some stronger bodies and some paper people, as you say to use as a distraction. Ultron basically has an army in his hand and Thanos has nothing. Thanos has nothing, even you keep talking about an army. Thanos has an army and he also has followers. He has people who want to follow him into battle no matter what brought all those forces for that and him and him. brought all these people together before he even had the infinity stones, he had all these people at his feet, so if it ultimately comes down to an army of faceless ultrons versus what Thanos can bring to the table with his children of Thanos and everyone. of the aliens he has amassed in the galaxy, then those robots will have no chance of Thanos being victorious here.

Thanos has a clear weakness of the weekend. I mentioned Ultron's arrogance, but Ultron's arrogance is a good thing, he leads it to win. Thanos' arrogance is a weakness that leads him to lose. Thanos' arrogance allowed him to sit back and allow his followers, as you say, like a nebula, to try to obtain the Infinity Gauntlet while he simply sat back and did nothing. The fact is, Thanos lets his arrogance get in his way. his ability to win uh ultron will find that weakness and exploit it because he has such robotic thinking uh it comes from the mind stone it comes from an infinity stone uh it's combined with all these different things that I don't think Thanos makes him be able to beat I just think this is the mad titan we're talking about, he's someone who is feared throughout the galaxy and just because you throw a robot at him and maybe maybe some robots, I'll give you that.

It doesn't mean Thanos is going to lose this fight and while Thanos is arrogant his arrogance doesn't overshadow his ability to do so, I think Ultron's arrogance of simply thinking he's the best of them all will be his ultimate downfall so it's going to be interesting to see. these two out, let's talk about our next matchup and I think this one will be interesting too because these are two people that I would love to see beat each other up, I think it's cool. The matchup would be a killer against Red Skull. Now keep in mind, to be fair, we're going to make this assassin the killer infused by the black panther with the super strength to make it a bit of an even fight, but even though it's an even fight, maybe.

In terms of strength between these two, I think that ultimately Red Skull will accept this mainly because of how absolutely insane he is, what he is so dedicated to building his vision, he basically wants to rule the world and I think his drive to do that will come out over Killmonger, what do you think I don't agree with? I think that while Red Skull is cool and actually one of my favorite villains in the MCU, I don't think he'll win this fight for a couple of reasons. you mentioned his drive, yes he has his drive but Killmonger has the same drive and it came from when he was a kid, he's literally been living with that drive his whole life, he's driven everything he's done to get to the moment where he it's found. in Black Panther, I think Killmonger is easily a better fighter.

Red Skull hasn't fought anyone in how many years he's just been a general. Can you imagine going to the doctor and saying here are two doctors, this one hasn't performed heart surgery in 40 years and this one has been doing it every day. What doctor do you go to? I choose the doctor who does it every day. Killmonger has literally spent every year of his life killing people in training. He is able to defeat T'challa easily in that battle and afterwards. he's infused with the black panther serum there's nothing stopping him he takes on the whole gate mix he's a better fighter i think he's more motivated i don't think red skull has a chance here uh yeah i'm going to concede that killer is He's the better fighter, he's certainly skilled and he's killed a lot of people in his past, but I think Killmonger's weakness here is that he has some humanity left in him and he's not a bad guy when he presents his opinions on what he wants to do. uh yeah, he's radical, but that doesn't mean you can't see where he's coming from and what he wants to do to help people.

Red Skull is completely crazy. Red Skull will have no qualms, no. mercy, no, there is nothing in his path that prevents him from obtaining victory in his battle. Red Skull will do whatever it takes to win Red Skull is also a genius, he is a brilliant scientist, he invents, uh, these weapons, yes, he is a general, but also um, a brilliant strategist and someone who can make these weapons clear they're gonna hurt come on killmonger you just gotta know some swords yeah if he comes out with swords great but I want to see some swords versus a red skull a made up hydra infused energy blast gun. of some kind and the killer is going to waste some swords, he has a full black panther suit, what are you talking about?, any gun shot him.

I feel like the black panther vibranium invented by shuri, who is definitely smarter than arnhem zola. Definitely a better weapons inventor and Killmonger had access to that artillery, that arsenal. I think any of those guns beat the hydraulic guns any day. I agree. Killmonger has more humanity left in him, but it was lost. He is just as lost. You see it when challa fights him he says um you know, Killmonger says the world took everything from me t'challa responds with you've become them you've lost sight of who you are he's also in the same kind of mental place that will stop nothing, that's why he chose it, that's why he chooses to die like t'challa sees that flash of humanity that you see in Killmonger and Killmonger says no, I'm gone, so I think Killmonger is gone just as focused on his goal . take out Red Skull, but you are also not taking into account that that Red Skull is Hydra, he is, he, he works with a whole army of hydra.

Killmonger's problem. He works alone. He betrays many of his allies. to uh, to get what he wants to do, he's unique and singular, Red Skull has a network, Red Skull has an organization and when Killmonger faces off against the forces of Hydra and everything that Red Skull represents, I'm sorry, but in En In this case, one man cannot make a difference. I mean, Red Skull will just emerge victorious. What does Killmonger have in terms of equipment? In terms of someone besides himself to help him win this battle. the tactical ability to build loyalties he has been trained to do in his time with the Navy Seals and in his time in the military.

He and you watch him do it on the screen. He has that team that helps him rob the museum and then. When he no longer needs them, he gets rid of them. That's the difference: he's willing to sacrifice these people to achieve his goal and then he can make new allies in the blink of an eye, in one scene he kills them. He claws and later becomes Wakabi's ally. He replaces those people, so yes, he has the ability to have followers. He has the entire frontier tribe on his side in Black Panther. He can rally people behind him if that's what he needs and you say so. one man can't make a difference, Captain America defeated Hydra, that's a man, I think Killmonger could do the same.

I think it will be a very interesting fight to see these two warriors, these two fighters with such strong ideologies fight each other. so let's move on to something else so I want I want to put some magic users against each other in an ultimate mcu villain fight so I think what would be an awesome and really fun fight is loki versus mysterio yeah that's it it's true. Even though Mysterio isn't the real wizard he claims to be, I think I actually believe he's smart enough to beat Loki. Yes, that's right, I said it. Mysterio can beat Loki 100 without a doubt.

Tell me how much. you don't agree with me, well, I'm excited to see how you argue this, Jacob, but I guess we're putting magic in quotes, quotes, magic users, um, first of all, I'd like to offer you an olive branch to make this A fair. fight um I guess we're talking about team mysterio, not just quentin beck, yeah, of course, because mysterio is a team and he works with all those people, yeah, team mysterio, okay, team mysterio, and then the interesting thing of this fight is that almost polar opposites loki is an agent of chaos he has, he has not planned anything in a day of his life, he never plans anything, he just does, it is chaos, miss mysterio is all about planning, they will sit there and they will do general rehearsals for the fight.

They're about to have it, so for the sake of this fight I'll say that Mysterio also has time to plan his thing against Loki and even with all that stuff I just gave you, Jacoby Mysterio, you're making all my points for me today. That isgreat, keep going even with all that stuff, Mysterio doesn't stand a chance. All Loki has to do is get close to him like Spider-Man does and Quentin Beck is just a guy yeah and heh heh heh he doesn't survive anything huh loki has real magic loki can do magic to the doctor strange and is a fighter who can take on Thor one on one, he can definitely take on a couple of drones flying around him.

Look, Team Mysterio put on the biggest illusion the world has ever seen. He convinced him that Mysterio, this guy is the great hero, he invented these elementals, he's able to trick people's minds and I think that's the madness. We talk here all the time about Loki being the trickster god and he likes to betray people, but also. Loki gets fooled a lot, his arrogance gets the best of him, he thinks he's in control and then it's funny when you see that he's actually not in control, look at how easily Loki was manipulated by a black widow in the first Avengers movie.

He presents himself as a guy who always knows the situation and can read people very well and, suddenly, the black widow extracts all the information from him without any problem and I think that is Quentin Beck's greatest strength, right here, can trick Loki into thinking he has this sense of accomplishment, perhaps the sense of victory, and that's when Quentin Beck and Team Mysterio can implement this plan to trap, contain, or defeat Loki's arrogance and his ability to think that he will never be defeated. be her downfall here I don't agree and the black widow thing is unfair because she could get information from anyone if she tried to get information on a quentin beck it would take her two seconds she's a master interrogator so I'll give you that point , but also I won't, um, I think Loki is, you're talking about Loki's mentality, his arrogance, Quentin Beck is a psychopath, he's a literal psychopath willing to almost kill his chief engineer, uh, in the dress rehearsal because he liked that he lost a camera, this guy. is literally willing to sacrifice members of his own team, members of his own team who like to create him like Mysterio and he will lose the fight that way, all Loki has to do is make him think that, like one of his engineers did , her costume designer. something is wrong and he will take it out himself and then it's an easy fight from there because once part of the illusion is gone, everything is gone, especially for a person who knows illusions who was taught real illusions by his mother, loki. he's the trickster god mysterio is just a trickster uh mysterio is the trickster god who tricked a 15 year old boy into asking him some questions about super satellites.

I want to see Loki do that because I don't think I can because Loki you don't value human life because you keep saying that mysterious team are humans they're a group of guys and Loki's literal god yeah and I say that's their biggest advantage here, loki belittles humans and everything that humans can really do and the fact that That's the point you made before about how team Mysterio is going to come to this with all the preparation in the world, that they are going to analyze the entire tape from the game of every possible sighting of Loki that we have seen and we know everything about Him before entering this battle to create this master illusion to fool him is going to work because Loki, as you said, is an agent of chaos.

Do you think he's going to plan something if he says oh, I have a fight against this? mysterio boy i think he's going to do some kind of preparation any kind of thing like that no he's just going to show up to battle and see what happens and that's going to be the final problem because loki always underestimates humans and the fact that when have a whole team of humans working specifically to defeat him and yes, it's led by quentin beck, who is a psychopath, but he was a very intelligent psychopath and very resourceful and able to trick people and get them on his side, so yes, I think That's it.

I'm going to give these humans an advantage over the trickster god. I agree that I think Mysterio would have the best chance against Loki, but Mysterio is only able to fool humans, that's the problem at the end when he dies, his last words are like uh. people are willing to believe anything loki is not a person he is a god he believes what he wants and yes you are right he doesn't prepare because he is an agent of chaos but he will show up to any fight with a bag of tricks ready . for any scenario, even if he didn't plan it in advance, uh, the fact of the matter is that he's a god versus probably the best group of trickster humans.

I'm okay with that, but he's a god, he's the god of mischief and there's really no, there's no chance and honestly all Loki has to do is go through the drones like Spider-Man and Spider did. -Man had to use his spider sense. Loki has magic, he could say, "Oh, magic, these drones don't work anymore." he could manage and he could punch Mysterio and he would probably die. All humans and team Mysterio and Mysterio have to do is create. They just need one opening something to catch it and I already have the perfect one for that because you know. how um uh mysterio tricked spiderman into seeing you as dead uh iron man and all that, all that, suddenly loki is standing there ready to fight and then suddenly for a split second he's surrounded by an army. of Hulks, the one person Loki fears more than anything, is suddenly surrounded by a hundred Hulks, you don't think that's going to affect the way he thinks.

Look, what happened when Loki saw the Hulk in Ragnarok when he was sitting far away from the Hulk? the planet he had the joke that I have to get off this planet he was so afraid of him at that moment he is scared to death of the Hulk and team Mysterio will know that he is afraid of the Hulk and he will exploit it from that and use him to gain. That's pretty cool, to counter that I'll say that Loki will also be able to discover mysterious weaknesses and Loki has the power to shapeshift. All Loki has to do is transform into Tony Stark and Mysterio will lose his mind and lose all focus.

It'll be easy from there, so it's holographs of the Hulk versus um, a shape-shifting Tony Stark. What this battle boils down to sounds like what this battle became. Yeah, I think the idea of ​​villains fighting. each other is just fantastic because obviously we don't get to see that much in the mcu because the villains are regulated by their own movie and don't really interact with each other but I think that's unfair I mean the avengers can work together all the time time why can't we see more villains working together? But I guess that answers my question because if they work together they would probably end up fighting each other, so I think this was a really good set of fights. today and it was really fun talking to you about all the times you would lose Nick in this battle, but I guess it's not up to me, it's up to the people listening to this, so let us know what you think in the comments.

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