Man Realizes Friend Fed Her Workers to Pigs

he started talking about her for the first time I didn't know where that was before you moved when he started talking about Hades being gone or is it after he moved while talking about Robert Brady's body The language is closed. Take a look at his feet. Having her ankles tucked under the chair is not a comfortable sitting position and indicates significant discomfort for her. Notice throughout the interview whether his legs are extended in front of him or his legs are tucked under the chair. tightly closed ankles this is another indicator of anxiety and it's a cautious posture uh actually pretty much after when I'm moving your neck I moved in when she actually came out I realized that wow, this is, you know, this is big, it's like listening you know, and I can keep getting big uh not for that long at that point and why did you think it was getting big?

Because I mean, did she think that maybe he just left? I mean, what was she talking about? um, she leans back rubbing her head with her hand, all of which are signs of unease. Chef, you were saying that she, uh, that she talks about Peter and the

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with the people she just did that she has around here. But it's a joke, it's a joke, I'm sure it's a joke, so tell us, you know, Brady insists that this is just a joke several times in this short amount of time, it's a joke, I'm sure it's a joke that people sometimes repeat. things over and over again to try to convince others of the truth of the statement, so it's also about what you know about those things guys, I really seriously doubt you know pretty well over the years that that's all , that Susan could do something like that.

That saying really, really seriously could be considered a qualifier that is often indicated when a person is not telling the truth or is withholding information. Robert says this while moving his head back and forth, looking uncomfortable and uneasy, usually when a person is being honest, there are no unusual or jerky movements, the body moves smoothly like in Michael's interview, where no there's evidence of unusual gestures or movements and you know I'm, we're not sitting here saying she did it or she didn't, you don't know. Where do we talk to you and let's hear your version? So, I mean, there are some claims that you're saying that she feeds people to the Pig.

I mean, what did she mention before joking? Alright? and tell me about that conversation you're having with her when she says it wasn't filmed in Japanese and it's ironic, the kids say you know she's talking to fools who feed people

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, but now someone's missing here, You know, it was a joke, okay, really? joke so you never actually said that no Stephanie told you she said that yeah and when was that conversation you had with Stephanie so no a week ago yeah I think I've heard her mention that over the years I think so soon as I mentioned a better life several times, that she had things forever, you know, okay, so I'm not sure it sounds like Brady is trying to reveal bits and pieces about Susan's more negative or troubling qualities, but at the same time time is trying to protect her.

Brady may be doing this to protect himself from her because he might not be sure how much the detectives know. Brady may not want to fully assert that Susan is innocent; he wants to reveal some concerns or suspicions about her to cover himself from her. The event that the detectives discover that she in fact murdered Robert Michael, on the other hand, is not trying to hide his suspicions about the kind of person Susan is, which is why he appears much calmer than Brady during his interrogation. . Do you think Robert? He went into the pig pen and they attacked him.

Susan's size would probably release his nervous energy. Well, if you found them, if you found the lady in the pig pen. I would say that is possible. Would your pigs eat a person? A child is an animal that doesn't know any better, yes, no. I've heard about pigs eating people all the time, so like I say, I joked about it and then I have a weird sense of humor. If there is a deviation in her behavior here, Susan's speech is it. It's not as fluid as it usually is. Many times deviations in a person's usual behavior and way of speaking during an interrogation are a possible indication of lying.

She sounds unsure and hesitant, like she was watching her words and being cautious when I told her there was a chimney of legs, yes, your expression didn't change, it doesn't seem like a big deal, uh, yes, it's fine, certainly, if I found one leg in my house, I would be scared, well, I'm not scared, but I'm, you know, very surprised, okay, the leg goes to a person, no, I don't even know, he's obviously dead, I don't even know if you're saying the truth. Susan is turning the tables here because the detective has been doubting her veracity, so now she doubts his.

She seems to be informed about the fact that the police sometimes lie during interrogations and she might enjoy pointing this out to the detective, as she may think that this knowledge is further proof of how smart she is. The truth is well I don't know maybe you're just making up stories so I can say something else yes well I'm not lying to you I'm telling you the truth well like I said I don't know I'm just looking for Robert and I'm worried about that leg. Well, this morning you were looking for an Oregon Trail car, so I don't know, it seems like Susan feels like she beat the detective this round, at least because he converts her. body towards him in a safer way, since she probably feels more sure of herself, mentions that finding the leg is immaterial evidence anyway, the detective then cuts the conversation since he probably doesn't want tension to build up or Susan build trust.

Sure enough, when he returns, he makes small talk over Susan's sandwich to ease the tension. Well, you said a couple, not one later, after the two detectives regroup outside the interrogation room, the second detective begins a new tactic with Susan in hopes that this will catch her. to admit something, so Susan, I don't think she introduced me very well. I'm Eric Fox. One of the things I do is be a medical examiner. Deputy Coroner, so that's one of the reasons I'm here. It's because I helped determine the cause and manner of death, yes, so obviously there is a human leg there, okay, it's possible that yes, well, let's arrest Stella, she's human, I can guarantee it, okay, okay, and she's a little decomposed, I mean, it's been around for a while.

Well, it obviously came from a person, okay, all it says like I said is that he's using what's known as a reference statement. This is often done to help build credibility. The more someone says something, the more believable it becomes because each repetition diminishes our disbelief. The only logical explanation I would have is that if it were software other than pigsty software, right? A coyote could be an animal or whatever. I don't know of any other animals he's been around. I've been watching, uh, spoke to Detective Henderson. You and I have a kind of impression of the type of person you are, that you are a very logical person, you like it, you can memorize numbers, you see things a little linear in the facts, the coroner is trying to establish a good relationship with Susan and appealing to her high sense of her own intelligence, he also attempts to normalize her lack of reaction to the leg news by saying that she is very logical and linear in her thinking versus that she is a sociopath or guilty of killing someone. and not feel any emotion about it, this is an attempt to get her to open up to him, you know you get into Star Trek, yeah I remember Star Trek, I'm 95 years old and there you go, and five percent Klingon, so okay, okay, okay.

When compared to fictional Star Trek characters such as the Klingons, Susan is shown to identify with violent creatures who have a strong sense of ritual and must do things her way. see what's see what's next here probably well that's it yeah I think you can anticipate what's happening like you said Human Lake yeah the only logical explanation would be that you know it's okay to go the other direction if I had killed him because I would do? leave them outside in my house, well that's always kill somewhere else, leave them somewhere else, bury them somewhere and then an animal moves from that place.

I mean, that's always possible too. She becomes more uncomfortable and anxious when discussing the possibility of her killing Robert, perhaps just mentioning that killing him created a fear response in her. You can hear her breathing become more labored and she is also fiddling with her hands and her voice is shaky. These are all adapters for trying to calm down in a tense situation so yeah, so no matter what, something had separated this leg from the main part of her body and moved it towards your house. In his interview, Michael sheds a little more light on the state of his relationship with Susan and how it deteriorated I was because I had gotten angry because she started yelling at me too much I don't know, you know I've been married I'm sure you guys are married I don't handle it very well I told him go yourself and moved out and then I went and talked to him that same day.

The last words I spoke to him were: I'm leaving here, brother, I love you. I shook his hand and he said, man, I envy you. I wish she could move me out of here, she's going to kill me, yeah, well, apparently she did the other thing I was interested in. Susan, here's a person who came to your house and is now clearly missing and you haven't seen him in a long time. While, yes, there are other people who came to her house and unexpectedly left his property. He now he left that place. I mean, when Susan asked if other people had gone missing from her property, she did a couple of Anchor Point moves, like moving both feet.

She also clasps her hands together, which could be a sign of anxiety about this question. Remember this part because this question about other people disappearing from her property becomes disgustingly important. Then we're going to have to narrow down the identification so you know, obviously, we have to take this and get DNA and do a comparison to make sure there's no one else we can try to do a comparison with. I don't want to just assume that this is Mr. Haney, yes, right now, the last person to stay. He was on my property more than a year ago and his name was Paul.

He's an oriental guy, so the pollen had been in your house. What happened to the effort? He went somewhere. I heard about it two or three months ago and was thinking about returning. to my house so you know that Pawn still exists and he hasn't disappeared, he hasn't died on your property, so you have to find the shake, well, yeah, oh god, my stupid sense of humor, right, um, from what have they spoken to you? this missing person they don't know much about it they just get the EBT but please I was so scared the detective confronts Brady and ends his response with an awkward laugh and continues with jerky body movements showing his discomfort Brady's ill-timed laugh could be his way to calm down or make light of a situation in which you feel uncomfortable or nervous.

A lot of things, no, they're a little more fun because I don't know what you like, right? Yeah, no. you do that it's all green and she worked for the city you can work for people you know she has a good body she's a good person she's quirky you know and that's what you know people didn't understand a lot of people I can see them I'm making a house well. I can't see her doing that. I can't really see her doing that. So. Why do you say this? Yeah, so why do you say that? Why do I say that?

No, I don't think students can do that. I want to say that, but I think that's the number she told me. I don't know if you guys have looked at her, I'm sure you have, but she's happy for him to tell her that someone who is her daughter was completely drunk because of it. and screaming and we were all in several nights I'll kill him I'll kill him no that's what she told me and he was crazy about it she's his daughter so now she's screaming I mean did she ever say anything about them having homework domestic or fights? or anything, but no, I still laugh a lot.

I think she said that she is a good worker. You know, right when we started, you mentioned the good. I don't think she did it. I don't think she murdered anyone or killed anyone. I don't know the exact words you used I guess the question we're asking you is what makes you think we even thought about where this came from. Yeah, why don't you think Sue could have done it? They haven't saved it. That is. uh, well, he's missing, right, he's lost himself, he's under the property notice. Brady's choice of words here said that he was on his property and yet at this point he has not been informed about the gruesome discovery found on Susan's land.

I have disappeared many people. cases where people call him and say hey, so let's live here, but they left, what is it that you guys have shown up there, you've been there, you know and she said she told me that you guys are looking into it, it's well, there you have it? So when did she show you that? I don't know a week ago orconfirmation when something happens that fits with what we already believe is most likely to happen. We see it as important and therefore remember it. If something happens that doesn't align with our beliefs, we can dismiss it.

I'm trying to understand it. You know what I mean? Why how long would this fire last? and the pig started attacking me, I guarantee I'll get out, I mean my pigs aren't bad, I have no idea why he would be there and furthermore I have no idea why they would go after him or anyone. you know you mind if I get you some more water do you want some water um because you three go outside for just five seconds okay yeah there's a flat rate okay just just five seconds sure sure sure um no okay , just five seconds, please Well, Susan is extremely self-conscious about her bald head, so she asked everyone to leave the room while she took off her sweatshirt and adjusted her hat.

I'll tell you about the polygraph. I'm just very hot. self-conscious about my hair so I didn't want to take this off, well you're lucky the polygraph examiner started prepping, although Susan voluntarily agreed to take the polygraph as you'll soon see she didn't go as planned. Better immediately the polygraph examiner begins to build rapport with Susan and asks her about her experience with polygraphs. Have you ever taken a polygraph before? I did it many times. What was that about? Why didn't he remember? I think you would remember it unless it was maybe a long time ago. Yes, it was 30 or 40 years ago.

Gosh, it's extremely hard to believe that Susan doesn't remember the circumstances under which she previously had a polygraph. The experience is extremely stressful and would certainly be memorable even if it were years ago. I don't remember many things, a very good first time, okay. I have a

friend

like that. I don't remember people at all or I have a bad concept of time. It's true that Susan mentions her memory problems almost immediately. This is quite convenient since remembering timelines is essential in an investigation. It is probably a tactic so that she can claim not to remember incriminating information during the polygraph or interrogation and blame it on her poor memory, the investigator will probably ask her to remember non-incriminating information from her past to refute her claim of having a bad memory. , so when you ask me questions about what happened three weeks ago, I'm trying to filter a month in either direction.

Susan tells him that she has worked on his property for 22 years before the polygraph examiner explains the polygraph process to her and tells her that she needs to set up We set up your equipment, we have all this equipment, we need to set it up. Blood pressure, pulse and electoral conductivity of the skin. Good job, how do you remember all that stuff? I don't want to say that I remember all kinds of things. I don't remember many things. Whether to watch it on television or things like that. I watch crime shows only on TV. I like British British things more than anything else.

Oh, really, yes. There's one called Rosemary and Thyme. They go out and solve crimes, where I mean. One of those stupid things you know, you go out to trim a tree and you find a body. Surely you know that for the most part they are things that are not plausible. Oh, I can move a little. Yeah, if this new door just a little bit, whatever. re comfortable is I'm almost comfortable, I understood you, yes, me too. I am the most comfortable at home. Susan rubs her hand over her forehead, possibly wiping the sweat from her brow.

Increased sweating can be indicative that someone is in fight or flight mode due to a perception. threat, well what about me? Do you feel comfortable with me? No, no, you're not comfortable with me, no, I mean, I'm happy, oh, okay, I'm fine with one or two people, but when a large group of people starts to get nervous. anxious the way you describe your anxiety attacks it sounds like susan suffers from panic disorder possibly panic disorder with agoraphobia agoraphobia is an anxiety disorder associated with the fear of places or situations that could make someone feel trapped or ashamed.

I went to the Jackson County Psychiatric Hospital. Good health and psychiatrists and psychologists there were taking all kinds of pills and trying to give them to me, they even mentioned their manipulation and no, I'm not trying to get you a place, but let me tell me how. She, uh, what does that look like? It's great, it just works, but you know she was screaming really loud and she's actually bipolar, you know she's bipolar, something that occurred to you or she told you no, she's state medication for it or me. I don't think I even asked him oh yeah oh yeah do you have a mental health diagnosis?

Susan um, I have um, you know, people problems, okay, that's basically it. I didn't give it a name, they call it. some, uh, if they did, if they did, I don't remember what it was. Susan claims that she has what she calls people problems. This could be a series of personality disorders and it seems hard to believe that she doesn't remember what she was diagnosed with. Most people know what type of mental illness they have just a little bit about me. I mean, I was a detective too. I can't read anything. I do not have classes.

I'll read it to you. You could do it? sign it if I read it to you yes, okay the interrogator reads Susan arrives and asks him to verbally agree to submit to the polygraph. She can't force her to submit to a polygraph, but whether or not someone voluntarily agrees to submit to a polygraph is important to an investigation, it's actually surprising. Susan is willing to have these mental rights, you want to take a polygraph exam. I'm happy about that, but I won't do it. I just got yes or no, yes. Alright. Susan also previously stated that she likes crime shows and she may think that she knows it. ways to pass the test, all I need you to do then, since just acknowledging that I read them to you was signing your name right there somewhere, oh or no, you don't need to do it, I just want to make sure that yes, um, shaking. a little I guess that's true after Susan says she's shaking, you can hear her verbally sigh several times to release the tension.

This behavior suggests that she is feeling uncomfortable, possibly as a result of her self-reported history of anxiety. Most people are nervous about taking a polygraph. exam, so it is expected that this is making you nervous and thank you for everything, very logically, I was telling the officer just a couple of minutes ago that there are diseases like sickle cell anemia that can be treated very simply with people who have that gene. not having children and then in a generation we wouldn't have that disease anymore, okay China allows people to have a child which is very good, in India you have a billion people in this small place, it's stupid when Susan describes how he thinks about everything.

Logically, she has no emotions and she seems somewhat self-centered. She seems to believe that she is smarter than others because she has logical answers on how to solve world problems. This also shows that Susan has some very rigid beliefs. I hope not, but if someone understands them. murdered I don't care much because there are seven billion people on this planet so you are pragmatic about life in general yes it comes and goes yes his comments about not caring when someone dies reveals that he may have difficulty forming Emotional attachments to other people also suggests that you may lack empathy if you cannot see that, although one person's death may not affect you personally, there are likely other people who feel shocked and hurt by the loss of that person, they might as well. be an indication that she is willing to do it. solving a problem using methods that make sense to her and are convenient for her, regardless of what those methods are, well, it's pretty, um, it's probably pretty durable for someone who works with farm animals.

Susan then abruptly changes the subject, moving away from her beliefs about people. I'm dying to talk about Robert's death, the reason this happened was because I don't think any person or animal should suffer. Well, Susan is clasping her hands together, which is an indication that she feels confident in what she says. She is also using her hands as illustrators. down slightly several times to emphasize their point when the illustrators are out of sync or out of place this can indicate that someone may be lying however Susan's movements seem to match her words No, I didn't think she was going to do it She lived longer than a couple more minutes, but I was definitely suffering, okay, and I ended the suffering.

Susan is using a moral justification to kill Robert and she is beginning to construct a narrative of why she did what she did. She claimed that she was simply ending her suffering. and she was acting humanely her explanation of what she did to Robert also shows her rigidity in thinking that it was okay for her to end her suffering and that's why she went ahead and shot him. A jury might be less likely to convict someone of murder if this were truly a mercy killing, but she could still be charged with murder. Do you have any concerns about taking a polygraph exam today? it's enough.

Has she had any injuries or major surgeries in the last six months? The interrogator rereads the usual preliminary questions to make sure. She is coherent and can take the polygraph without being under the influence or having any condition that could interfere with the accuracy of the test. This is always done when the machine detects physical and biological responses that can be easily affected by drugs, alcohol, or certain medical conditions. However, it is important to note that polygraph exams are notoriously unreliable, so you know alcohol within the last 24 hours or so. I had a margarita, um, that was very large on the third Thursday of last month.

Okay, wow, Susan can remember some information a lot. she detailed despite previously stating that her memory is not good, has a doctor or medical professional ever diagnosed you with depression or anxiety? Yeah, okay, which one, both or either? She mentioned anxiety. No no. I think someone once said she was depressed. I get depressed occasionally and most of the time, if I go out and sit by a tree and look at my little 28 or something, I'm happy and only for a short period of time and you're not. I don't remember what your mental health diagnosis was if they had a name for it or something, but I'll do better when you're alone.

I'll just do better when I'm alone. Zoo bipolar disorder is really bad and she starts doing things. and it doesn't finish and it's almost as if when she starts something she doesn't have a plan to finish it or not. I get these anxiety things like um when I go to cut I mentally put on blinders I try not to look at people and I manage pretty well here she is describing the feelings and behaviors of people who struggle with agoraphobia or an anxiety disorder. Pretty serious social anxiety. Sometimes people with social anxiety disorder describe these types of feelings or behaviors when they are in public settings, if given the option of living in a very isolated rural environment with animals, this is probably true.

She then describes an incident that happened years ago when she was in a grocery store and started having an anxiety attack, he left her cart in the store and walked out to her. car to wait until the anxiety went away but while I was there two paramedics came up to her and he said you're right and I said yes I'm fine go away and I tried to explain to her that you know I was fine it just happened. in my anxiety attack and I would be fine in a couple of minutes I managed to get one of them to leave and the second one took my blood pressure and I managed to convince them to go away and leave me alone. her job, yeah, well, like I said, it was, it was, it made it worse if only you know, if they had left me alone for a few more minutes, I would have been fine, although before she reported that she had difficulty remembering things and had a bad opinion weather.

She recalled in detail an anxiety attack she had 10 years ago. She may have felt like the paramedic was examining or judging her negatively, which is common in people with social phobia. Some people who suffer from anxiety have social phobias. a specific fear of social or performance situations, as they fear acting in a way that will make them feel embarrassed or humiliated Susan, do you know what you are suspected of or why you are down here or why you are? Talking to you, can you tell me in your own words what that is? They think I killed Robert for no reason or whatever.

Susan repeats the same story and confirms that there was never a physical altercation between her and Robert at any time in several months. that he had been there, that we ever had any kind of physical or even verbal confrontation over choosing words that would have resulted in me deliberately killing him, to your knowledge, Susan, has anyone else ever died on his property? ? human, I mean. There are more changes in his speech here, not only did he slow down and become moredeliberate in her words, but also switched to more limited responses where she had previously been quite talkative to the point of adding unnecessary and unrelated information at times. she often overshares, such as offering information about her mental health before the detective even asked her about it, would you tell me if there was something like that?

I suppose not. Susan may have schizotypal personality disorder, which is characterized by intense and ongoing discomfort with relationships and social interactions. Usually accompanied by unusual thoughts, speech, and behaviors, it usually leads to severe and persistent anxiety and a tendency to avoid social situations. People with schizotypal personality disorder tend to have peculiar beliefs and do not respond appropriately to social norms and cues. This would also explain Susan's apartment. emotions are limited or inappropriate emotional responses misinterpretation of events and her dressing in peculiar ways or without being naked; However, Susan does not seem to have any idea of ​​reference, which is when someone interprets random events as having special meaning to them or magical thoughts as believing they have special powers, which are some of the common symptoms of schizotypal personality disorder.

Although you technically only need to meet five criteria for this diagnosis, ideas of reference and magical thinking are quite distinctive symptoms for this diagnosis, as far as we know Susan has never been diagnosed with this. upset I appreciate your honesty well I'm trying to avoid all of this to begin with yeah a lady somewhere and I wasn't really worried about him. I put him out of his misery. um, I did that, you know, I do that for my animals and this. It was the first time I did it for a human being, so I went ahead and thought about my pigs, worrying that if I told someone they were going to go out and shoot all my pigs for doing what pigs do, the complete lack Susan's concern for Robert and the fact that she only cared about the pigs being taken away from her goes against her story that she did not kill him out of her own desires.

An innocent person would have been traumatized by shooting someone they knew even if they didn't have an extremely close relationship. Susan expresses no signs of remorse or guilt, she seems to have very rigid beliefs about her animals being more important than the life of any human being. This is the biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me, is why would he be in her big pen and you can ask. with me four times tomorrow and three times the next day it doesn't make any sense why he was there repeating it doesn't make any sense it makes her sound honest but Susan is smart she might be trying to sound believable if he could attack me for some reason I killed him I would have called immediately, I would have told you, hey, look, this time you know, take the knife or whatever, he broke into my room and I shot him, I won't repeat this at any time, you know?

During the time I knew him, we got into some sort of fight, saying they never had any other occasion, eliminates any possible claim of self-defense she might have wanted to claim. It seems like tensions are pretty high right when you leave. You've already had it if you leave, so when you leave, Susan and Robert are the only ones left on the property, yes, and she killed him. Okay, I'm not a police officer, I'm not a detective, but why do you think? The detectives think you could have killed him before the pigs. I have no idea. Does it make sense to you?

You might think that happened well. Makes sense. They think it could have happened well. But you know how to kill. someone for making a mess, you know, 2017 before, I mean, I've known other cases where things happen and accidents happen too, the questioner offers an alternative theory, which is a reading technique where he will present a less despicable justification morally for her. He suggests that perhaps she killed him by accident, since she made it clear that she did not do it in self-defense. He hopes she will cling to the idea of ​​an accident, as it is a less morally objectionable explanation than intentional murder. this wasn't an accident uh before all this happened um he was he was more logical like me that I know of um not now for me whatever anyway according to my feeling uh it wouldn't cause him to survive or anything like that uh I didn't feel like I was depressed like other people have said.

My only neighbor said that she had talked to him and that he was very depressed and I didn't get that feeling from him if this was her way of trying to cast doubt on Robert's mental state. She says it was a very low-key way to do it by sharing that other people claimed Robert was depressed. Susan implies the possibility of him taking his own life, however, no one would take their own life this way, so Susan, um, if someone really caused his death before. He was in danger for whatever reason and then called the police. What do you think she should happen to someone like that?

This is a common question that police ask suspects, as their answer can be very informative to their mental state and consciousness of guilt. The guilty person will usually give an answer that includes a less severe punishment or does not give a simple answer. An innocent person will usually want the harshest punishment for killing someone they cared about or knew without hesitation. Well, I mean, you say that. You shot him because you thought it was a gonoring, yes, if he was still alive, yes, so let's say that's not the case, let's say it was something else and let's say that someone killed Robert for any other reason, without throwing away the pen, what do you think? should pass that person a not guilty party was just a much harsher sentence for such a disturbing and heinous crime, then he shows signs of antisocial personality disorder and callousness toward Robert's death.

I don't like people, I think you know that if we break up. a billion or two of the world would be much better uh for a short time absolutely quite populated again I think the human races make this planet a big mess um but not if you just kill people for no reason he should go to jail his statement of killing people for no reason shows that he probably believes there are valid reasons for killing people and maybe he thinks his reason for killing Robert was valid. Then he gave another little clue into his psyche by revealing his rather negative world about him. vision of humanity and its indifference to human life, how long do you think this should go to jail? um two weeks are you kidding me? yes, yes, his joke is very revealing of his disregard for both human life and the seriousness of the situation.

She avoids giving a real answer that doesn't depend on me, well, I'm asking because I'm curious to know how you feel about this. um um, you don't care if it was an accidental murder or a purposeful murder. that makes a difference to you oh yeah, okay, well, the other officer, I mean, I've been joking about this for a long time, but a lot longer than before I shot someone, um, who was going to feed the people of my basis, admitting that she joked about feeding her pigs people will be key evidence to show both premeditation of the planning and that she was involved in having Robert placed in the pig feeding pen just to the right of the barn and in front of it there is a large pig pen that I have not seen. read any conclusive evidence or anything if you feed me a pig it doesn't do them any good ah I feed them when I kill another animal uh most of the time I'll give them the cuts Susan, have you ever fed your pigs? any other animal before no, if it's an accident um, which as far as I know, this wasn't and this wasn't an accident of mine, it's a little strange to say, as far as I know, here it's almost like she's leaving space for the possibility that you may have been in a dissociative state or don't remember killing Robert, as far as you know, you said, something else may have happened, oh, not much, I guess I expressed it, okay, you know , I hear the words. yeah, yeah, well, I'm fine, I think you are too, yeah, I try because I'm, I'm, I'm bad with words like that.

It takes me a long time for the words to come from back to front. It's been an accident, you know, it's had people right now. I want you to do it. I want you to play the role of a dishonest person for a second if you had actually done something different to Robert that caused his death. Well, let's stop you from telling me that, right? Now, I don't want to go to jail, okay, you know, I have Robert staying in this room and 10 feet away from him. I have body parts, why not? Why didn't I get rid of them?

It was a long time ago, I don't know, not in the psychological situation where I would become a mass murderer and, you know, walk into a school and start killing people or move on, don't go in, you know, crowd around and fly. myself or something like that uh my general feelings um when I have these anxiety attacks she's more homicidal than society this will be a useful statement to show that she has the ability to do what she did, it almost seems like the time she spent on this The interview is wearing her down to the point that she is becoming a little careless and not paying attention to what he says.

Susan may be referring to having intrusive thoughts about harming others. Intrusive thoughts which are unwanted thoughts or impulses that appear in the head and often cause great distress can be common in anxiety disorders. Intrusive thoughts often refer to some loss of self-control, such as harm to oneself or others. I've never acted in anything like that. Has she ever made herself visible to you? No, no, no, she yelled at him. You don't, no, you've known her for a long time, right, I mean, almost eight nine years, what does she do when she gets angry? and Matt, I mean, you must have seen her angry, I mean, she just screams, she just screams, well, I've seen her.

I've seen a lot of yelling and no action like me no, actually, she's not uh, a bunch of you know she's not a fighter, go ahead, go ahead, you have my soda, say they're listening, thank you, someone's listening, Thank you if you forced me. to stay in the store and there was a machine gun around I wouldn't say get away from me before you start shooting that's how I feel when I have these anxiety attacks okay you need to be left alone I need to be if they leave me in peace yes, I need to be left alone, we are fine, this suggests that the homicidal thinking you have during anxiety attacks may not be intrusive thoughts, but something else entirely.

People with intrusive thoughts don't want to act on these impulses, that's what it is. It is so distressing when unwanted thoughts come to mind. Susan, on the other hand, has said several times that when she has an anxiety attack she needs to be left alone, this seems to be a deeply held belief and she became irritated when she mentioned that a paramedic was trying to help her during an anxiety attack. This is purely speculative. but it is possible that the homicidal thoughts are occurring because Susan cannot accept when someone goes against her very rigid beliefs if someone prevents her from leaving the store this would prevent her from being alone, which can cause her to feel very angry when admitting that is capable of killing if not left alone when she feels anxiety Susan may be revealing her motive for killing Robert Robert may not have left her alone during an anxiety attack which then triggered her to kill him should she care again let's talk a little about polygraph stuff, okay, you want to prepare a list of questions for yourself, yes, so we are going to agree on the answers, you will answer yes or no to my questions yes, very simple, if there is any ambiguity, you do not understand what you are saying I'm asking and it's not yes or no, but maybe that's not a good question, right?

Okay, because Susan, you can lie to me or you can lie to the detectors, but you can't lie to yourself, so if you're answering the question and you know it's a lie, you'll know it and your physiology or your body will react accordingly because we have programmed In us this fight or flight. animal instinct to protect ourselves, okay, so I have a little work to do to prepare some questions. Okay, we're almost ready to take the test as soon as I have my questions ready and we go over them with each other. I need a break or something, you need to go to the bathroom or something, so if you do, I don't want to be rude, but I need to stay here and concentrate a little bit instead of being silent.

The polygraph examiner requested that Susan once again discuss her disapproving views on the human race, this time saying that the reason there are so few bald eagles is because pesticides kill them, so that's another reason why. I'm not against humans. race and although I am among the human race, Susan again indicates her preference for animals over people, which she seems to happily admit without even being asked, she doesn't realize that these comments make her seem like the kind of person who would kill tosomeone. and then allow her pigs to benefit from eating them. I can write but you can't read what I wrote.

What's that? Because my spelling isarm raised, he will crouch down or lean his hand down enough and overpower you, who is significantly bigger than him and has a great upper body. he's going to shoot himself in the top of the head, yeah, and that's where we are, how do you manage to shoot him five out of five headshots? You were saying that you thought that when a person gets shot it causes a lot. of damage and it would kill them, so maybe that first shot just wasn't enough and that's why you had to shoot it more than once, that's it, yeah, that's it, yeah, and that makes a lot more sense than the fight for someone's head. that oh no, I didn't shoot him, I didn't shoot him five times, I'm saying we fought our way down, it was horrible, you have to become Susan, that's just not possible, when you get this call and I don't care.

As for how many holes there are actually there, I'm worried about how they got there because it doesn't make sense for a person to be shot so many times in the head during a fight or a side attempt or anything other than someone else. putting them there intentionally just doesn't make sense and maybe there's a reason for it, would you stand still while I fire five shots into your head? No, that's what I'm saying, okay, that's what I'm saying, that's the point, that's what I'm trying to say is that if someone gets shot once, that alone will probably kill them. would incapacitate him, he wouldn't fire another bullet into his head and he would continue shooting his own head or he wouldn't move enough to get away.

I mean it just doesn't make sense, it's really important for us to understand the truth and what happened and we want to believe what you're telling us right now. I don't think he did anything else to Steve. Interestingly, Susan prefaces her statement with the words at this point, this type of language is a huge red flag as an innocent person would be adamant and confident in their language, alternatively they may be implying that they have forgotten what happened because it was traumatic or even implying that perhaps he dissociated during the event. Due to a panic attack, however, it is very likely that she wants more time to think, so she is letting the detectives know that her story could change in the future.

Actually, I'm also saying that maybe with more time you would remember other things that happen on your property that anything is possible I don't know We don't have much time It's not because we're not trying to give you time I feel like we've been trying to give you time and we're not en You know that we can't take years to give you time to remember the things that happen. I didn't feel guilty for committing murder. In any case, the joke came true, but you continue making that joke even after it became healthy. You even said that.

You said to me that you were going to kill me and feed me to your pigs, thank you John, actually I was, I didn't even know what to say, I'm a police officer, I didn't know what to say, you know what I mean. I was like, did he really say that? Susan's voice becomes more stressed and she breathes heavily again, which proves to be the sign of her serious distress. She has a hard time pronouncing words, which is very unusual for her because she usually has an answer or explanation for everything; her struggle could also be due to her growing frustration.

Susan's relatively flat demeanor is about to break and you'll soon see her going crazy at the gym. You know one of the girls. Has hair down to the bottom someone who works there yeah, okay, yeah, one of the guards has hair down to the bottom, okay and my stupid brain kicked in and I said, hey, I could grab your hammer over the head and strangle you with it. that, oh my gosh, why would you see that I don't know, I don't know, is this thing here sometimes it just comes out, it just comes out. Susan seems to be very impulsive and has little to no filter, so if she thinks something, she just says it even if her comments are offensive or threatening, what Susan is describing is possibly what is known as an intrusive thought.

It is important to keep in mind that the person with the intrusive thought does not want to act on the thought they are in. Why do they find the idea so distressing? The fact that Susan verbalized this thought at that moment to the long-haired guard is somewhat unusual, although intrusive thoughts usually remain internal as they can cause the person to feel ashamed or embarrassed. This can go back to Susan. difficulty understanding and navigating social interactions; Alternatively, Susan could be acting to make it seem like she is bothered by these thoughts when in reality she is not bothered by them and she even enjoys the reaction she gets from other people when she says the thoughts out loud during this brief emotional episode. .

The meltdown provides a window into how Susan probably responds when she is under stress and she can show us how quickly she becomes upset and angry if she feels cornered and is unable to cope with a situation. This is an indication of Susan's overall low tolerance for frustration and her inability to handle it. stress it just comes out the same with him. I have no intention of killing him I have no intention of killing Steve I did have the intention of taking down Robert I didn't know how he got there why he went in there for whatever reason I guarantee you I guarantee there are more people on your property I guarantee it with what I know right now, ah, what are we supposed to do?

Just ignore that, what do I get for the warranty? Susan now appears to be proposing a quid pro quo for confessing to more murders, a Latin phrase that literally translates to this for that or something for something to obtain information from a suspect. A quid pro quo in this context is when the interrogator gives the suspect something that appears to be a secret or a favor such as a cigarette in exchange for something the interrogators want from the suspect, which is Usually, quid pro quo information can be very obvious, as if you tell me this and we'll tell you either we'll give you that, or it can be more subtle, like telling the suspect he can smoke a cigarette, but first let's talk about this or clarify this.

Okay, what do you want as collateral? What are you talking about? I mean, you're making a mess in my house, but there are other people out there, well, I was supposed to let them. You're saying you can't. saying you're saying you're guaranteed there will be more people on my property yes that's right I'm going to get 150,000 to fix up my house after I've invested, if we find one person it's worth messing up the property. I'm saying if you don't find anyone out there. I'm almost sure we will. I'm saying if you don't find anyone out there where I know there are two.

I'm saying if you don't find anyone out there, are you going to pay? I 150,000 to return it as it was no absolutely that's what I'm saying there's no guarantee of anything here well what do you want? I don't want you ruining my house after Steve and I have put so much into whether there are two dead people on your property or we're not supposed to look anymore obviously there's probably more and what are we supposed to do just ignore that you're saying that everything It's obvious I don't know how it's obvious to me You have a hundred people coming and going to your property in 20 years and you expect me to believe there's no one else there.

It's not possible if people come and go and they're transient types and you know they might not have any close ties. with his family so that people do not report him missing, sometimes we have to look at that group of people. We wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't dig up every square inch of your property to search. People, if we don't do that, we're not doing our job because what if we miss someone? A key point here is that Susan does not consider human life to be as valuable as the detective expresses. Susan has made her beliefs very clear.

When it comes to human life, like his comments about overpopulation, what is meaningful to the detective probably doesn't make sense to Susan and she is probably wondering why they are making such a fuss only to find one or two bodies now if she knew exactly where are they. people were in we wouldn't go do them at all. I know exactly where to look, like when you were looking for Robert, then we dig a little hole and pull the person out and that's the end, huh, so don't do it. I don't want you to want to say well, I don't know if there could be 12 dollars, I don't know, I love you, I want you to go out and find the best GPR there is on this planet, we don't need and use it not to dig up my property, it's being dug up, we have let the detectives know how important Susan's land is to her and this may be a manipulation tactic to get her to admit if there are other bodies buried and where her property has been ruined. upstairs is a big trigger for Susan, so if there's anything that will make her admit that there's another body there, it'll probably be this: If there's someone out there, you just don't tell me because you don't want to get in trouble or whatever. okay, we're going to find the people because we're going to dig it up, but you say you're saying first the fact that you're going to find people out there.

I'm saying I can almost 100% guarantee that Susan and I'm saying for the other half percent that you won't find anyone out there, okay? and you're making a big mess in my house, let's go look, so we have, I sure don't want you digging in my damn dog, I understand I understand that if there's someone under your dog, what are they supposed to do? I don't want to desecrate your dog's grave, that's special to you, but that was 15 years ago. I understand what you are saying. that for the last 15 years I have been killing people, no, not at all, I am saying that there could be other people dead on your property and if you know that, you better tell me no, no and save.

We know all this about the things we have to do we know that there are two dead people there we also know that no we don't know how many more there are so we are going to dig and look until we make sure that we have checked every square inch of those 20 acres and we know for sure that there is no one there. The only way to do that is to jump in and check out the whole damn thing overseas. What else are we supposed to do? Tell us. unless we had someone to say here here's a map there's someone there or I think there might be someone around here I don't know how they got there but they're there but that's what I just said and now you're saying "We're not going to do it." because it's just a general area You sure showed us where Robert was and you showed us where Steve was Yeah, we went and looked at Robert today Sure enough, there he was, right where he said, stay with me Steve was in a hole.

Robert was in a bag yeah, okay, I told you where they were both okay, okay, I told you where the dog is, I told you where the moms are, you can pass the little thing over, oh, that's not a person, that It's a small 20 acre area, you can see the task at hand, that's why we have a billion people out there and we're going to bring whatever it takes and you can see you're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on this. to find a person. I'm sure Susan seems surprised that so many resources are going into finding these bodies again.

This shows how little value she places on human life and probably explains how she was able to take the lives of these men. Well, the worst is. Fact if you kill someone and he's out there or there's someone dead out there, he's dead, we can't bring him back, but he look, you're saying something and you don't back it up with that damn thing. Are you going to sign a paper? Say it if you quit my job. Yes, it is not necessary. You just said you would do it if you couldn't find anyone. I'm just telling you that it's not necessary.

I'm so confident that there are people out there, okay, if you're that confident, sign a paper that says if I don't find someone out there, at least one person, I'm a toff and that's why I don't do it. What I don't understand is when you continue to be so hostile that you can, yes, okay, you continue to fight, yes, because I don't want my place to look at a map, since you care more about animals than people. To what extent yes, okay, I also heard that I'm in your house, we are not that good people, sometimes they would be what society would probably consider the low life, the drinkers, the people who have problems, the people who get arrested Yeah, that kind of thing. people who steal and screw people and I took care of many of them I gave them a helping hand, are you telling me that out of every 100 people who came to your house are transients and they have problems and maybe mostly drunk problems ? not necessarily drug problems, it seems like you could have stayed away from those people, try to accept, there you have it, you have selected a certain group of people that you would not accept to come to work at your house and out of those hundred only two of them ended up dead, so that doesn't make any sense if I had been doing this for years I wouldn't have gotten better at it, that's how people usually get caught when they do something that leads to them getting caught,Susan.

She was arrested on January 14, 2014 on two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of abuse of a corpse, and one count of identity theft. Susan wasn't done with her crazy confessions, although during an interview she supposedly admitted to having buried 17 more bodies somewhere in her body. farm, this sparked nearly a month of searching, including investigators digging about 50 holes in hopes of uncovering more victims, although it was determined there were no more bodies hidden on her farm. It is speculated that Susan said this as one of her jokes from Twisted. or to intentionally frustrate investigators, eventually all of Susan's pigs were euthanized.

She was supposedly angry when she found out, especially since they were killed instead of donating their meat to a food pantry, somewhat surprising. Susan pleaded not guilty to all charges and represented herself when the case ended. her to the trial, she actually interrogated the lead investigator and constantly disrupted the trial to the point that she had to be removed from the courtroom on several occasions. None of Susan's explanations for Roberts' or Steven's death matched the horrific evidence that was discovered that Robert's legs had been taken out with an ax while Stephen had been shot three or four times in the head.

It didn't help that, while in prison, Susan signed a birthday card from Jackson County's sweetest killer, another sign of what she called his sense of humor. In 2015, Susan Monaco was found guilty on all charges and sentenced to two consecutive prison sentences of 25 years for a total of 50 years in prison without the possibility of parole.