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He played like 17 and 18 games, okay, but 15 years, that's a championship every two and a half years. LeBron has won four in 20 years, that's one every five years. Jordan won it twice as much and if LeBron keeps playing and doesn't win, he'll be like the number, he's like a Will Chamberlain, like the numbers are outstanding, he's rewriting the individual record book, but when you talk about winning, he didn't win as much as So when we say six and 15 years we don't count the years J like it's not 15 I'm counting the championship I'm not counting the finals appearances no wait I'm talking about no I'm no I'm the 15 years you're counting aren't 15 consecutive years is 15 years he 15 seasons he played basketball well but there but that's from the Wizards not the years no because he stopped playing and returned to basketball and he stopped playing returned to basketball, so I'm just asking, in your opinion, if LeBron James had retired from 17 to 19 and then, by the way, he also retired right after his only championship with the Lakers. he would have a better

goat

case, although he would be sick because he had four in 16 years, that's not at all what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that they both played a certain amount of seasons, no, I get it.

I'm not counting the retirement because I could sit here and say Jordan would have won eight if he hadn't retired. I'm not going to say that that's not what I'm trying to say, that's not what I'm trying to say, but what you said at the end that in some way there is that if LeBron continues to play at this level for longer if he has four championships in 23 seasons, how are you going to compare that to Michael? So this is like this again and not counting the guy with the Rings, but everything that I have said that here has been the Rings, not because it is dominion, it is dominion.

Right now LeBron is playing very well. Is he playing close to what he did when he was in PE? Because how do we know that? Because the numbers are the same because we can. watch him play or we can watch the wins and losses, sure, yeah, that's absolutely what we do and you're right, now he's 39, he's not as good as the young LeBron, but he's a lot better than the 39 year old. . Old Jordan, for anyone, understood well, what I give you, the longevity argument is for LeBron, the main argument is for me, it is not an argument to dismiss longevity and I think it is too dismissive of the fact that it what we would do if we sat here and said hey who was better at 18 who is better at 19 who is better at 20 who is better at 21 who is better at 22 I mean, if you want to just say I'm really glad that you said we're talking about the NBA

goat

Nick we're not talking about high school we're not talking about college Kareem and Jordan were in college I got it at 18 and 19 so if they were in college and LeBron was in the NBA, the best NBA

player

on the team at 18. was LeBron and better I mean, okay, no, okay, no, we're not Jordan's rookie year at 22, he's in the NBA, yes, okay, and LeBron is in the finals, who was better at 22, me at 22, I don't know.

I don't know, look at this, Jordan, Jordan, LeBron had four years with the Cavs? It was a great career, but saying it was Jordan was incredible as a rookie, so you're right, so you think it's a

debate

about whether Michael Jordan and his 35 win. The Bulls team was better than that he was better who was LeBron's best individual year they LeBron had a better team I'm not really sure that's the case but LeBron they beat the champion 48 special year do you think there's a chance that rookie Michael Jordan really was better. I'd probably give it to LeBron, so the point I was trying to make is that we know that at 36 37 38 39 it's LeBron Jord who even played at 36, that's why we know it was LeBron if the guy We're not talking about who was better at this age we're talking about who had who was better during his NBA career and Michael Jordan blocked the entire NBA like no one else says it's just not true actually those seven years he played the seven years he didn't control LeBron he didn't secure the Eastern Conference for his entire career he secured it for eight games and eight years, that's it that's how he secured the East when he reached the final eight years in a row Jordan locked down the entire league for six consecutive years D that he played or six of seven, we'll give you that you're not giving me anything, that's just the facts, okay, that's the fact, so would you rather have someone who dominated their conference but had the other conference and they beat him or someone who put everything into it? the league, but I'm really glad you put it in those terms because you're right, for six of eight seasons, Michael Jordan won the championship, which clinches the league.

LeBron, on the other hand. Well, six of the Seven Seasons he played well, but there were eight NBA Seasons, Michael Jordan opted out of one of them, so he will be punished for that. I'm just saying Ian, that's what sounds like a pun, he said. I'm just saying what the schedule was and then M LeBron James for four. I have to do it in my head real quick, four out of nine seasons blocked the league, yes, it would be 12 against 94 and nine is not blocking. down is like a stretch in the front and back to get there every year.

I'm right, but he's right. He reached the final every year, but he did not secure the lead. He blocked the East, right, and if we're going to do this. What you're right about is because he's not going to get to six, most likely it's just that one guy got to six and the other got to six and the other didn't, so none of this will matter, so nothing. What will it matter? I know that's where you are, but what will it matter? So if LeBron

score

s 50,000

points

, it won't matter. Nick, do you think you think? I don't think the peaks are visible.

LeBron, I think he's the second-greatest

player

of all time. So, of course, he's relatively close, but I don't think anyone can say at his peak who was better at LeBron James or Michael Jordan and say LeBron. I think it's clearly Jordan and I think longevity is clearly LeBron, so which would you choose? Do you prefer longevity or would you prefer physical education. What I am, the point I was trying to make with Brew is if Michael Jordan. I and I disagree with you most, but let me give it to you yes Michael. Jordan's Peak has a rating of 100 out of 100.

LeBron's Peak as the second greatest player of all time calls him longevity with a rating of 97 out of 100. LeBron is, by definition, 100 out of 100 and Jordan was around 80. Jordan I had a lot of guys who played a lot more. and but longevity not yet so you're saying you're almost saying it doesn't matter at all because one gap is this close and some people would say it's flipped the other way and the other gap is this big and it's getting wider and wider, but I get it, look, it's what LeBron I don't want to take away from what LeBron is doing because the longevity is incredible, but if you're not like the 10th seed right now in the west, I mean Michael Jordan , they are 39 years old The Wiz.

Yeah, they were the ninth or tenth seed that year, so if they had the play maybe they would have been in the playoffs. Okay, thanks for watching, subscribe here to get more information about the show and check out. pull clips from other shows on FS1