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foreigner I could tell by the tone of his voice that it was not normal Sabrina has a 12 inch bread knife that she holds in her right hand it is covered in blood I could see blood on the blade I can see blood on it we immediately started screaming drop drop The knife was al

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like it pulled her out of whatever she was in back to some kind of reality. I kicked him away from her and we put her on the ground. It was a very tense couple of seconds. Suspect Sabrina Zunich was 18. Lisa Cañaveral's one-year-old adopted daughter, also inside the home was Megan Zanella and Haley Knavel.

Megan was 13 and Haley was three. Father Kevin was traveling, a truck driver, and was in Michigan at the time. Sabrina was in foster care for many years before coming to the Knavels Foreign Landing with the Cane Falls truly represented a new beginning for her. She went from a troubled home with her biological father and her grandmother to a youth shelter where she didn't want to be. She's getting along well. with the family she does very well in school she doesn't get into trouble things seem to be getting better for her I couldn't find anything to indicate that something like this could happen oh please follow me yes, you remind me well of our main objective when we inter

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Sabrina for first time was to get Sabrina to tell us exactly what happened we caught her leaving the room so we knew she did it we wanted to know why so what do you remember yesterday when I finished my homework?

I don't know and that's it. and we are at home wait the initial thing happened I don't know how you get along with Kevin having a miracle I mean more the one who helped me because there is nothing I can deal with and that's how we agreed for a long time It means that if I do something, I can talk to him Kevin on Lisa dealing with her mainly because I've never been the best, she never seems to like me and she's been wanting me out of the house, what do you think about what Lisa is like?

I'm not alive now how good you had a knife you stay at least that's how I did it Mr. and Megan called the police I mean I'm sorry I'm sorry they look great no one else deserves it no one else has heard it Thank goodness Sabrina never denies committing the murder she just acts confused when I tell her that she was the one who killed the Police Academy. We could have waited here for four days and we were probably going to get the same answers from her. We made the decision that we're just going to cut this off because she's not going to give us anything else we need.

She was hoping to find some text messages, some emails, a search history on why this crime occurred over the past few weeks. Kevin Knafel and Sabrina texted each other more than 1,000 times. I don't think it was normal for an adoptive father and an adopted daughter to have thousands of text messages between the two of them. We were sure Kevin left for work at 8 p.m. m. the night before the murder and he didn't return to town until afterward. Lisa's death so we want to know from his perspective if there was any argument in the house before he left and then you told me you wanted to talk about his wife's job the right topic yes I told his lawyer We had to just talk about work, but I was hoping that maybe he would open up and give us some insight into what was going on and why this happened Kevin, do you know anything about what was going on at the house the night before you left?

I worked that night well, I waited a second, we just talked about talking about your wife's work, I was running the house the night before, it's not the last night, okay, where did your wife work on the kids' things too, what did you do? there?, she was a bus worker for children's sex with the skin that was looking down there were no tears there was no anger were you and Lisa in the divorce process okay now we're leaving the uh come on Kevin canafel wasn't there willing to help the police and find out exactly what happened to his wife why he is not cooperating with us what he is hiding from us so an offer is in good faith first when the defense attorney accuses me with the suspect it is an opportunity for them to be 100% be honest and say exactly what happened is the first step towards a plea deal we can't use this against you in court the conversation said there was another party involved yes Kevin Cañaveral my adoptive father was Kevin's idea and it was talked about later We were having sex and he and Lisa were having marriage problems.

He wanted a divorce, but Haley, who is his three-year-old daughter, was in the picture and he wanted full custody. She would get custody or that. it would be shared and he didn't want that to happen so the alternative was for this to happen, when was it after you started living there daily? The sexual nature started, it all started not with sex but with massages because he was a truck. The driver and his legs were cramping, so he was on the inner thigh and then progressively had sex. lose my foster parent license what would I do I would never do that telling her as Sabrina's relationship Kevin continued Sabrina described the increasing support she felt from Lisa and that Sabrina felt like she was no longer welcome in the house so Kevin convinced Sabrina to leave. that if she killed Lisa and they found out that she would only serve two to five years, that he would protect her and that after she got out, he would be there with her, they would buy a house and basically she can be like a figure maternal for Haley. no, no, there is no money in my books, no letters, no calls, nothing, that's when we found out that Kevin helped plan this murder, it was calculated and essentially Kevin used Sabrina to get his wife out of the scene and collect the money. life insurance money.

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important thing to understand why something like this could happen Sabrina had never experienced a stable family a loving home the feeling of security the sense of belonging Kevin seemed to know how to take advantage of Sabrina's vulnerabilities in my opinion the verdict came very quickly The jury reached a guilty verdict. I think it took about two days. They described it as if she was having some type of mental episode. Her mother made the decision to take her to the hospital and have her checked out. The mother and daughter they brought she left leaving Rory in the care of the hospital for whatever reason she ended up leaving before she was seen by a doctor, we see her leave the hospital on her own, that was the last known sighting we had of her overseas and we I've been backing up uh we probably removed about 10 pounds or 15 pounds of meat that looks like meat and I don't know what it is the problem started several days before he didn't want any of it.

The plumbers called um, he tried to snake the drain himself, he was making efforts to fix it on the 29th, it was getting so bad that the smell from the pipes was coming back into people's bathtubs, uh, the people upstairs just took care of it call a plumber, the officers. scene decided to knock on the door of Adam Strong's basement apartment. They remember him lowering his head and making a comment almost instantly that the jigs up is a body. He commented to the rest officer if you want the rest of her, she's in me. freezer and she is quite emaciated and there was actually someone in the freezer when Adam said that Rory had a distinctive tattoo, she had the word alive tattooed on her neck and when they looked through the freezer they found a human head and there was a tattoo clearly displayed.

I knew at the time, yes it's Rory, we didn't know at the time what the cause of death was to press that charge, you need the reasons why the decision was made to continue our investigation to see where it took us, you told them to the officers. If you're looking for the rest of it, you'll find it in the freezer. A question for you: is this the person in that freezer? Rory. I plan to answer that question. Alright. You're saying that you refused to answer, but you're shaking your head like this. Does that mean anything? There is no interest for you at all and you tell us your side of things.

Yes, nothing, yes, strange, it's true. After three hours of doing it, it was clear we weren't going to get anywhere. we were just hanging around obviously you don't care enough to help uh I needed why do you want some no I'm not fine yeah let's turn it off now we could have sat there for another three or six hours I don't I think we were going to get different results. Really, all I got from that interview was some insight into who Adam was to help us move the investigation forward. Yes, thank you very much. It was the worst apartment I have ever been in.

For the mess, dirt and mess, you could barely move because of some small hallways there, there were several sex toys located in the apartment, restraint devices, handcuffs and whatnot, there was a bent hammer. We had located Rory's DNA on Roy's running shoes. In a bag in the apartment there were blood splatters located on the wall and lower baseboards leading to Adam's room. That knife is only designed for one use and one use only. It is a knife used by hunters to gut and skin animals. For a logical person, no. It doesn't make sense for you to keep all that evidence, but it seemed to be Adam's way of thinking that the DNA that was located on that knife was not through blood, it was a tissue-like material that we sent that knife for analysis and that we will receive.

The results showed that that knife contained the DNA of a second woman. The second victim was a 19-year-old woman who disappeared in 2008 and, like Rory, she was alone outside the house. Both victims were teenagers and both victims. They were rather small built, you know, brown hair, almost a split image of each other, she disappeared 10 years before and Adam went unnoticed for 10 years, makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. I certainly felt some pressure. The reality is that if there was no conviction and he was a free man, how are you doing? Yes, I had better days, it's okay, Paul.

I've been surprised at how well I've been treated, apart from some of the staff in the eighth sinking, and that's going to get better. continues today yes, yes, I can tell you that I mean, that's good, that's wonderful, you know what was certainly verified in how he had been treated up to now, that's important to talk about admissibility, he addressed any needs that he had and said that he had not eaten. We take care of that story. I certainly knew we couldn't rush to talk to Adam about the case given the fact that how the two detectives fared in December 2017 sharing food with someone breaking bread with someone is an opportunity to bond. and we talked and then once that had gone on for about an hour and a half, I started talking a little bit about the case, how much of his body did they recover?

Obviously, the entire skeletal structure. Well, obviously, whatever it was. in that, yes, in the freezer, how much were you able to get out of the pipes? Kinda, it was bad luck, yeah that's what I tell people, they say you're stupid, joking, well I just got it. Greedy, that's all, the important thing is that Paul doesn't react to what most people would maybe react to, which is a you know, pretty shocking thing to say every time Adam gave me a bit of information, maybe even without knowing it, strong inside. Giving me a little punch just because I thought we were making some progress on the case.

Here, are you doing this right? It is frozen or it is partially thawed, completely thawed. Okay, that would take several hours. uh, no, we're in a bathtub. full of hot water oh, okay, yeah, like in a couple of hours. I wouldn't bet I had to fill the tub several times. We're going to talk about not moving, he thinks, and they're just talking about dismemberment and elimination, but he's actually allowing. In this case, the judge ultimately made inferences about what must have happened during the actual murders that took place. Okay, no, but I probably said more than I should have probably yes, the judge probably watched the entire 12 hour interview. and the ruling was quite clear that strong was well cared for seemed comfortable all his needs were met there was no deception there was no oppression this was essentially a failure in terms of lack of ability, which is rare in a 12 hour interview abroad it was convicted of first degree murder of Rory and finally convicted of manslaughter of the second victim, Detective Mitten and the investigation team had a charge of first degree murder and one manslaughter without a confession, there was definitely a danger that they would pull the indignity, so if things were bad in that interview room he might have walked, that would have been a travesty, it's really hard to describe Adam as strong.

I have never met an individual like him, it was a difficult investigation, but we spoke for the victims. trying to do justice and give answers to the family, the sentence they gave him is the maximum sentence that can be received in this country, so yes, I feel that justice was done. The planes stay above. Drew Clear has blood in the kitchen just down this hallway. we got one that was displayed in thebecause we randomly say hey let's go let's go mess with old Donny Jr today you think we did it that's not the way it works you know what I'm saying you're a young man you've got your whole life ahead of you but I need to know What happened.

Did it make him that angry or was it just an X wrestling news broadcast? I was real in real life, yeah, yeah, the gun, how long? you're just gone you know a long time ago it wasn't even mine they gave it to me they gave it to you who gave it to you some god and how what kind of god is he 38 at any time he could ask his lawyer so I want to make sure that keep talking to me, the only reason I had it, to be honest, you're honest when I was working at seven, but that's why I was getting something because I was working and for the past, while I mean, that's it. understandable, I mean, you have to protect yourself all the time, but we're talking about this guy here, but this man didn't deserve to die, you know what I mean, this man, that one, that one, that one, that you shot and killed, this man was at work.

Me, did you want to do it? I did not do it. Were you just trying to scare him or what was that? My main attention was just because he thought he was trying to interrupt you or what did I want to say at the same time. Trying not to make excuses, you know, I did what I did, yeah, kind of face the consequences, I was intoxicated, like I said, I was so discolored, like I was, my eyes barely open and you stick your finger out and that image goes away. and that is why are you silent?

Where does this lead when we show the Court? No, it's about Yeah, I mean, this is the whole research part, you know what I'm saying. Yes, well, yes, I did it like that. I'm going to be honest with his boss, if he had been someone else, he wouldn't have even told them that we laid the groundwork for him to be able to talk, we made him feel comfortable and that way he felt like he could talk to me. I'll be honest. You, today they will accuse you of murder tonight. Okay, but let me ask you. This is like you helped me.

I'm young. I have my whole life prepared. I made this mistake. How long do you think they're going to keep me? Know? I don't know, no, I don't make those decisions, it's murder, it's murder, yes, he finally sank in his chair and you saw his shoulders drop and his head drop and it seemed like total acceptance was finally there, he realized this. the show was over there was no more denial they were no longer covering it up foreigner Hill Farm Road the ambulance okay what's happening the truck fell on my stepson the truck is on your steps and I don't think he's alive okay putting under the truck yeah , honey husband lifts the truck, his chest is crossed, oh my god, Levi was 23 when he died, he had left behind two young children and was trying to make a living after a troubled childhood.

Levi married very young, he was a young worker. He worked hard to support his family abroad. I think most people would say it's a tragedy that a 23-year-old guy is murdered for no reason. She said that she had heard from Carl's second wife, Cindy Carlson, and that Cindy had told her that she had left her husband. and that she was afraid that he would come after her and that she believed that her husband had killed her son Levi. It was really kind of a rumor at the time, but we decided to take another look at it, albeit strange days before Levi's death.

Carl takes Levi to a bank and takes out a life insurance policy for him, but with an rider that makes the value of the life insurance policy seven hundred thousand dollars. When I first re

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the 2008 report, there was no mention of any insurance policies. Of that money, Carl just spent money freely and did not keep any savings for Levi's children, we realized that we had to take a look at this Carl Carlson and see what this person was really like in 1991. Carl and Christina lived with their three children in a very small house on a very rural property in the woods Carl said that the children were taking a nap and that Christina was taking a bath Carl was in a workshop and heard the screams, he only said that he managed to rescue his children and them I pulled him out of his bedroom windows but the flames and heat made him retreat when he tried to rescue his wife.

I called the investigator who was very passionate about the case at that time any little animal burst into tears when he received my call, oh my God, I always dreamed that one day this call would come and here it is Kyle gave three different versions of what happened that day, how the fire started, he was a volunteer firefighter at one point so he has some knowledge about fire. He claimed the dog had knocked over a kerosene jug. He then he said this light went out. There are different stories about what caused it, but foreign claims that he had boarded up this window because it was broken were suspicious. 17 nails Christina had a 150,000 life insurance policy at the time of her death Carl obtained the money and used it largely to finance her return to New York and start over with the children, according to the investigator they told him.

Carl went to New York, now it's New York's problem and we're not putting the money into this case anymore, just let it go, but then he said that he photocopied all the records and they're in a box in my basement. Go ahead, let me. grab your paperwork real quick, will you do that? Do you want to be here for that? That's right, I'll go ahead and deal with this. You want to start. Yes, the beginning is simply focusing on the death of Levi Carlson. He was very nervous. uh, because there was a lot of reliance on this interview and there was a lot at stake here, if he is the person we think he is, then other people are at risk, that was the day my son died, she and I had a funeral. go left at 11 30 fourth 12 somewhere like that it was on the other side of Seneca Lake um something was there BL means we're working on the truck changing the transmission lines brake lines the whole nine yards gave him some money Go away wouldn't work, I went to Branch, okay, and um, so we finished this, you know, talk to him, I said goodbye and um, so we left, we came back a little after four and went out, then we found it strange, They came and tried to do it.

CPR and he was already gone, we went to the hospital, we were not at all surprised that he was pasting his story, you know, a lie pasted becomes the truth, if it does not fail, that makes it difficult for us to expose the case. together we talk nothing else is working we can try some deception now when you use deception in an interview it is allowed to a certain point but where that point is is in a gray area so you are taking a risk when you do it there is a big problem now we already knew that there was no specific time of death in this case Tom came up with this concept that through medical technology we were able to know exactly what time he died and we knew what time Carl was gone yeah I wish be able to say it.

He died in your presence, but when you go back there, if you are telling us the truth and saying that you had a conversation with him, you are lying because she was dead at that time. I had a conversation with him. I'll tell you that okay, well he was, or was dead when he went in there or when you came out, that's a fact, you're feeling the pressure and you're not able to tell the truth right now if you really follow it. What you did was cool and I think you did it in a minute, okay, I didn't kill the people, there's no way I could have done it, but he was dead when I went in there, okay, you're doing great, buddy, I don't think he's crying here.

He's trying to put on a show for the camera and for all of us that is emotional here, but the walls are closing in on him, that's what his body language tells us. John's connection with Carl is almost like a father-son relationship that began early in In this interview we know that we have our best chance at getting to the truth by leaving John alone in that room. I let him down. I walked away and lived with it for four years. You know you guys somehow got that out of me. in a way it's been a relief well it should be a relief I never heard it it's good you did it right come on you're that close man you're close enough Let's help I could tell he's right he's ready to tell me something really big here and I gave him all the encouragement I could. could.

I'll walk with you if you do what are you going to do for me? I'm going to stand up and say that this was not a cold-blooded, premeditated murder, it was just something that happened. It happened sometimes, Carl, that's what I'll do for you. I open the front door, okay, when they did it and if I didn't hit the box underneath, but it wouldn't have happened. Carl accent, why did you try to hide it? he comes out with his final version that he made the truck fall on his son and then basically drove off and left him dying on the ground.

Carlson is a pathetic, sociopathic human being and was a serial killer in the making. I think he gets high from murder. I think you enjoyed it thanks foreigner this wasn't a job this case was about Levi this was about Christina this was about all the people whose lives were destroyed by Carl Carlson the scary thing was that he took out life insurance policies and his two granddaughters are It's crazy to even think that you could take out a policy like that and not inform your mother, but he did it and I have no doubt that there were subsequent