How to deal with a HMRC scam calls, 2020

so I was in the middle of a workout, I got a phone call and as per my style, I ignore all my

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until I finish what I have to do, which was finish my workout and then I answered my voicemail. and I just want to play the voice message I received. There are no new messages. Wait for the main menu to receive your messages. Press 2 to hear this. Press 2 saved messages. 11 31 am ignoring this information would be considered an intentional attempt to avoid the initial appearance before the magistrate judge and will result in the suspension of your national insurance number. your case identifiers c p 1 one six nine two zero one five for more information about your case, please call our investigation department immediately at two zero three one three seven eight sounds very serious nine zero I repeat two zero three one, do we get this number? seven eight eight nine zero we will be happy to share your case information and help you with the situation that sounds good help me have a blessed day that was a good answer

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this is officer ron smith how?

I can help? Hello, Ron. I just spoke to a colleague of yours and the line disconnected. Sorry, I didn't take the person's name. Okay, I'm not sure if it was you. My name is Shiraz Merza. I just got a roll call to call him back and his colleague was going over some details and mentioned that there is a lawsuit against me so I'm pretty worried and that's why I am. I'm calling you, could you help me with your details for verification purposes? It is April 28, 1975. 1975. And please help me with the last four digits of your national insurance number.

I mentioned it to your colleague. Don't know. I have my insurance number with me. He wondered if he could verify me safely another way, so I gave him my address. My zip code will do. Yes, please help me with the zip code. It is s613sx saw. Okay, x-ray completely fine. You know very well, there is a lawsuit in your name and you may know it and you may know why there is a lawsuit in your name. This is absolutely news to me and I'm very, very worried, very surprised, uh and that's why I come back so I don't know anything about this.

I completely understand when out of the blue you find out there's a lawsuit and you don't have any documents about it, but let me tell you, we've tried. When contacting you, we have tried to send the documents because we cannot send them directly by mail. We can't leave them in your mailbox or something because they are too confidential documents. We have to send an officer along with the document when you have to sign the documents and then the officer will hand over the documents to you but in this case you are not available at your house so I would ask you a second on 15th October where was probably at home?

Not because uh, the officer was there, I guess so, you can tell he went in the afternoon at three to two, he was there at three to two and you weren't available at your house, okay? So can you tell me more about this case? um, what is it for? What have I done wrong? Yes, because let me tell you that you may know that when you file your taxes for your current records we just accept it and now for past records we always do a legal audit and when we get to know all the errors not only with you but there are many citizens who are not aware of the mistakes they have made in the past, but we must know this situation only because of the reorganization that we have carried out in recent years.

I have seen that there are calculation errors and errors on your tax return. You are not saying that you have not filed your taxes but there are errors on your tax returns and that is the reason why you are getting this call today because today is the day that we have to move forward with the legal charges and once we go to court with this particular matter for the next 60 to 90 days, this case will last and to be very honest, at that very moment your bank accounts, national insurance number will be frozen. will be stopped and the benefits that you are receiving or will get in the future will be stopped, so it is very important that you tell us what exactly you think about this case, what is your intention, do you really want to fight a case? against

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or do you want to settle this case outside of quotes no no i would love to settle this case i just don't know what it is about that's all for the moment what we can do is what you are planning.

To resolve this case, first of all, there are some rules and regulations that you will need to follow first and that you will need to clear up the pending hearings that are in your name, which are two thousand six hundred and fifty-four pounds and twenty-seven p. which you will have to clarify today once you clear this news we will help you with a reference number and tomorrow morning early at 10 o'clock we will send an officer to your door with all the relevant documents now she is the one who can help you explain everything in detail in person and she will also answer any questions you have any doubts she will clarify them for you but the thing is she will only give you the documents once you help her with the reference number so Dwight should I pay ?

Shall I pay your officer tomorrow? To be honest, you will have to pay it today because today is the day we have to go ahead and issue the resolution documents. So there are two things that can This would happen if I go ahead and file the papers in court, then there will be no one in the entire territory that can really help you with the situation, but if you really want you to go ahead and ask the court people resolve this case, then We will have to prove something on your part: yes, you are paying the amount and clearing these pending hearings, so it would be a good impression in front of the people at the court.

Yes, he is making some efforts and really cares about this particular situation. We have to go ahead and do this particular transaction today and as you say I just wanted to ask you if you have a criminal lawyer that can represent you in case you want to go ahead and fight the case against hmrc and no I don't . It's not because if you don't have one, like you say, we have a team in the court itself, we have an attorney who will fight for you in court and who will go ahead and issue the settlement papers today, so you're going to have to do it.

Make the transaction directly to the lawyer's account and once you make the transaction we will give you a reference number and as you know very well we will schedule an appointment for tomorrow morning with all the relevant documents so I just wanted to check with you. Is it possible for you to settle the outstanding dues of £2,654 and 27 feet today? It's going to be difficult, but I guess I'll have to put it on my credit card, but can I let myself know that too? We work under data protection law, so we are not supposed to ask you for any of your credit or debit card details.

It is very important that you understand that the government does not work that way. We cannot ask you for any of your banking details you are just making a digital transfer and I believe you are banking online with your bank, is that correct, no you are not, you are not doing mobile banking or online banking, no , I do, but my online bank account has been frozen. So I need to go to the bank and see how to connect that backup again and what bank do you bank with? Can I first find out what this £2600 is for because I want to pay it but I want to know what for?

I am paying, yes, this is the pending news that is shown in your account, as I already told you, this is something that is your underpaid taxes. Now this is your tax route that you will delete and once you delete it, we can do it. Go ahead and we can issue your resolution and the court documents, okay, what if I can't pay this? It is your choice because the government really does not want you to pay this anyway because they know very well that if you are not able to pay this once you are found guilty in court, the court will only give you 48 hours to cancel the fine, which it is more than 25 to 30,000 pounds, and also a five year prison sentence, so the government knows very well that if you are not paying 2600 now as if they are really getting a very good option and a profit from you because You will pay more than that either way so it is your choice because no one is forcing you even if you tell me right now. you don't really want to pay it we're not going to force you over and over again please pay this please pay this we're not going to do this if you want to pay this you're saving yourself you're not going to go ahead and do something good for the government if you're not paying this in no way you are doing anything good for the government because you would be paying more than 25 to 20,000 then my payment should go directly to the government because this is not your normal taxes because even if you go ahead and pay this particular tax the way when you do it, no one is going to accept it because there is already a criminal case, we are about to go ahead and freeze everything you have there and this is the only way when you have to go ahead and make a transaction directly with the lawyer that He's fighting the case for you because he's the one who's going to convince the jurors and the people in court and I hope you can understand that, yeah.

I absolutely understand and you know, like I said, I really want to work with you. I want to make sure I have no criminal record. This surprised me. I completely understand and if I were in your shoes. I would think the same, but right now it is very important that you understand how important it is for you to remove your name from this criminal case that is on today before the court closes, so tell me right now because this is a monitor and a recorded line, so it's very important that you be honest in this recorded line, so I want you to tell me which band you're back with.

My bank is with Barclays, however my credit card is with Halifax and I just checked my balance and I do not have enough balance on my card to make this full payment today. I completely understand that you are well aware that we do not accept cards at this time. We will have to make a digital payment. transfer, but then you will have to do online banking with your reaction or you will have to do phone banking with your barclays, so could you? Will you send me through um once I have called my bank and received the online banking ordered, could you please send me the government account details so that I can make this payment directly to them and then pay my back taxes?

Yes, because what you can do is I will send you the lawyer's bank details. who is in charge of your case, you can directly transfer the funds so he can show it to the people at the garage and once you make the payment we can give you the reference number and to be very honest there are some rules. and regulations as you have chosen the option to resolve this case out of court so it is very important that you stay connected while you say you will have to call your bank to resolve your online banking let me tell you.

You're not supposed to disconnect this line, but you're going to have to put us on hold and then talk to the band people because if this line gets disconnected we'll get a clear intention from you that you really wanted to fight a case against hmrc and you didn't have no intention to resolve this case outside of the boathouse and let me tell you this is an ongoing investigation so I really don't want it to involve any third party because we are thinking about your reputation if we make it public. The bank accounts will be frozen at that very moment, even if the people at your bank find out that you have a criminal case there, that is completely against them because they have a policy, if a person has a criminal case, the whole Because this is something that comes in your policy, it is very important that you understand that the people at the bank should not know that there is a criminal case in your name if you really do not want your bank accounts to become are affected. frozen no, whole, I get it, I get it, so what's my name?

What is the name of the lawyer who has been appointed for my case? I will get it for you because it will take me some time to get the details first. I want you to do it. Go ahead, call your bank and sort out your online banking until then. I will get the bank account details. Do I have an attorney assigned to my case right now? Yes, that's the reason because until the time you go here and talk to your bank until the time you go ahead and sort out your online banking, we'll go ahead and take care of the paperwork, we're just talking to the members of Juda, we are here to take care of the situation that the accounting chiefs are going through.

Go ahead and let them know that there is a person who is a really genuine person, the reason we called him, as I already told you, we have done a background check for you and we know very well that he is an innocent person. I haven't done anything wrong in the past and that is the reason you have this option. There are many people who are really trying but they don't get this option. I would really say you are a lucky person to have this particular option where you can. Continueand at least pay the pending hearings and resolve your case today, so I want you to go ahead and make a call to your fans without disconnecting, just disconnect this call, you can keep us on hold and then you can make the call to your bank and make sure that your online banking is active once online banking is active please let me know so I can help you with the banking details.

You know, the more I think about this, the more I mean it to me personally. I was trying like I said. I was trying to put this on my credit card. I know that through data protection you can't accept my credit card, but my credit card is the one that has the flexibility to be able to pay this into my bank account which I don't have. £2,600 to pay for this, but I have it on my card, so I want you to tell me on the recorded line. I want to be honest, how much do you have in your bank account right now.

I'm still waiting to get paid. two days, so right now, right now, what is 150 pounds? So it's not possible? Because right now, since you say that you are going to be paid in two days, is it possible that you can organize this kind of money? You can ask some of your family or friends to help you with this amount of money and then you can pay them back in up to two days. Unfortunately, during the Christmas season, most people have their money invested in Christmas gifts, so I don't think I have any. Many people who could lend me that amount of money can consult with them because this is the only option, as you know very well, because the government is not really going to go ahead and wait two days for you to go ahead and receive your payment. get going really we are going to wait so long today is the day we have to move forward and we have to take action so you need to understand the urgency like the particular situation before the code is closed we have to continue go ahead and Let them know that yes, you have made payment for pending views, so tell me why I'm waiting, you can go ahead and make

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, but let me tell you that even if you are getting help. from someone, you are not supposed to go ahead and involve any third party in this ongoing investigation, no one finds out about this situation, if we find out because your phones are tapped, we can listen to all the conversations you are having with anyone who is out there. and if we find out that you are disclosing this confidential matter to anyone, you will have to pursue legal charges.

I hope you can understand it. What is the worst case scenario if I can't pay? I've already told you. We really don't even want you to pay since you told us you want to pay this and fix this. We are giving you this option if you tell me right now that you don't want to pay this. We're completely Okay, well, I'm going to be arrested, I'm sorry, are I going to be arrested if I don't pay this within the next 15 to 20 minutes? They will arrest you. 15 is 20 minutes that is correct because everything is planned to be very honest like if a person is ready to pay what will happen and if the person really can't pay then what do we have to do with him we know everything because you are not the only citizen there are a lot of people who really want to go ahead and resolve the matter but then they don't have the opportunity to come in and resolve the particular case just because of their background so it's really good like I told you guys you're lucky to have this option to solve this case, but then Also, if you really want to waste time talking about all this, to be honest, this is a waste of time.

I think so, yes, I have to agree with you. Can I ask you a question? Please, what is your real name? ron smith yeah now what's your real name what's your real name is ron smith your birth name ron smith and where are you calling from okay, you know, I appreciate you caring about me, I know my friends and family don't have this money right now so I guess all I have to know is what exactly you were doing so thank you very much oh I don't think you like that one so look ladies and gentlemen if you get these phone calls don't come in panicked, this is probably the third one.

What I have now and they will try very, very hard and trust me, if you don't realize it and they catch you, you will feel the fear of your butt cheeks getting a little tight when they give you this scare tactic that they have. They just told me that I am going to wait 15 minutes, 20 minutes maximum, to see if they arrest me. If I do, I'll let you know from the other side. However, I'm very doubtful of getting arrested so I just wanted to share this. please don't be a victim of this