How to Achieve Ultra High Performance | Dr. Michael Gervais on Impact Theory

The biggest fear in modern times is what other people think, that's why our job is to love others and not care what they think of us because we only have one emotion at a time, that's how our brain works, one emotion, so our job is really to find. the right state we want to be in the right emotional place and use it instead of letting the brain win and if it's not trained or conditioned it will win everyone, welcome to

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Michael Gervais great introduction. Good thanks. Yes, it was fun. Your story is crazy. What you help people do is truly extraordinary and that's where I want to start. What it takes to play at that elite level, especially around your framing. He said that every great change starts with pain and I found that really intriguing, it feels dark, it feels heavy when you say that, but in my experience, it's true that the reason people change is because of pain, the reason why We grow because we feel uncomfortable and we accept being uncomfortable, but being honest with the pain we feel is often the main driver for people to do the work necessary to push themselves to the limit and in the space of athletics, arts and leading business.

In the world, everyone works. Alright and some people work smarter but everyone works hard so in modern times there is a balance between running to the limit and then recovering properly so why would anyone run to the limit and run to the limit? limit of your capacity? that they have within themselves, so yeah, but when we talk about capacity, we're talking about emotional capacity, mental capacity, long gone are the days where it was just physical capacity, like you can increase your heart rate relatively ease and that's the old way. It's still relevant, but that was an old way of thinking about capacity development, that's no longer the case and what we do is spend time working to understand people's strengths, we want to understand where they want to go and how they want to be. in that.

They go into your life, so it's like setting a vision. I want to go back to the pain for a second. I have a quote that I thought was really extraordinary. This is from you. The worst thing we can do for our loved ones is try to reduce their pain, yes that sounds surprising, it isn't from my perspective now, that would have been absolutely shocking to me 15 years ago, what changed for you, those were all the things you talked about, that pain is the motivator, all that, all my success is. it was based on the period of misery and you talked about the need not to use the words "hit rock bottom" but I'll use that one because that's how it felt to me.

I needed to hit rock bottom to push myself so I was so desperate that I had to let go of my old way of thinking about myself. I had a fixed mindset and didn't have these words at the time, but this is me now, looking back, it was a binary choice between depression or growth. mentality and I didn't know if a growth mindset was real, I just knew that it was different than the depression that I was running towards, so in that period that was the spark that I was suffering a lot and lying on the floor of my apartment and in broke and hopeless and all that and just trying to figure out how to move forward from here so if you hadn't said it at the time I would have said the only reason we exist is to reduce the pain of our loved ones yeah and that's okay so there is a difference between pain and suffering there is a difference between we are all suffering we all have suffering we all have a void or a dark place or corners within our spirit in our mind that we are not satisfied, watered and filled as we are, we can all relate to that and when I talk about pain I'm not necessarily talking about suffering but about recognizing our suffering, being in touch with the pain, that's enough to say when you're really honest, that's enough to say I can't do this, I don't want to do this anymore. , like this isn't the person I want to become and be on a regular basis, if that's the case, if that assumption is correct at that moment as a loved one My job is to help you be real and experience those places as often as you can so that you make the statement of saying no, no, that's not okay for me to feel and be like that on a regular basis, so let me pull that thread. a little further, it is healthy and necessary to feel all human emotions, but when you ask people what you want in life, most people say: I want to be happy, wait, wait, if grandma dies, do you want be happy?

It's like really when your child is sick you want to be happy no I don't think the answer is that we want to feel the entire human experience to the fullest but never get lost in it but rather experience it all and so on Right now we are getting into the weeds of a very esoteric thought and not scientific, but the practice is that if I care deeply about you, the mistake I can make in your life is to help you feel like everything is okay, like oh, it's okay, it's okay that you're drinking and driving and you killed a fourteen year old boy, that's no problem, you'll do better next time no, the job is to say well, what's it like for you to feel that pain, so you commit to saying no.

No I can't do this anymore and that's when it gets really interesting, that got me thinking about standards and holding people to a standard and loving them at the same time, which is something I hear you talk about and then knowing your Working with the Seahawks and Coach Carroll, so this notion of groups based on relationships, teams, companies, however you want to think about it, but how can you simultaneously hold someone to a standard, say you made a mistake and at the same time I love him, okay, so that's the fabric that unites us I think I'm imagining the same thing for you is that we want to be around people that somehow give us the feeling that that guy when I'm I don't know about that person, I just feel better. make me better in some way let's say it's you and me and what I want to feel from you is that you have my back, you understand me and that when you make decisions it's not just for you, it's for me too, and so the rising tide floats all the ships relationships that go bad or turn bitter is whether I am on the side of this relationship.

I think: Do I trust that he is doing these thoughts or movements because it is right for him or me and even though our relationships are good? the one where it's really good for you and I'm just a victim of your experience, so what we do is a head as we invest in the relationship, for example, the Seattle Seahawks, the product is football, So it's like a business you have. We also sourced products for their businesses and, but we are a relationship-based organization, if coach care was here, I would say that's how we run the organization, a relationship-based organization and the result is football, and We find that to be incredibly valuable because Let's not make any of us do this alone and if we're really going to go all the way and really step out onto the frontier to do incredibly difficult and challenging things, we need to link arms to stay in the same positions. trenches long enough and what happens with most people is we close our arms and say oh yeah, let's go get it and then we close our arms and as soon as it's hard, the brain kicks in and the survival mechanisms in the brain are stronger than the thriving mechanisms, so the survival mechanisms are very enlightened and what do we do we save ours and we unlock our arms and we take care of ourselves that's how people fray in rugged and stressful environments emotionally stressful environments that we unlock and so the extraordinary ones can keep their arms locked because they have a mission, they are very clear about what they want to experience and they bet on each other, that really

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What I want to get at is how to close your arms and not unravel them by betting on each other like that tribal mentality that when you were telling that story really impacted me and made me think, how much am I doing that in my business? do in my business, although hearing how well they do it makes me want to be better, it's definitely possible in my relationship with my wife, but then I wonder how far we can expand that, because if they could have that kind of relationship with a number powerful enough of people and a versatile number of situations, it seems like you could accomplish a lot more, but I don't know how many places it actually applies.

Is it realistic to do it with your friends? You know, I mean, yeah, it depends on. the community that you are building you know we would like to think that we are all a pebble in a pond so the weight of the pebble indicates the ripples in the output you know the effect and those inner circles like there is a larger impact and then as that you expand, you know, especially through social media, that there are bigger impacts, but yeah, it's available like you're in relationships in every community that you're in and like I don't know if you've spent the It's time to articulate your philosophy and being able to understand it in maybe 25 words or less, maybe even four, three or a word that you know, and that kind of work, investing in the clarity that you have within yourself, allows us to have a greater weight on that pebble and so from clarity we can train our mind to have conviction in stressful environments and clarity also allows other people to really know what it's about and then when we ask them what it's about, that's how you start to build that bond more. deep and what I discovered is that most people want to stay on the surface because it's hard to talk about things that are hard to talk about and there's like three levels you can talk about I don't know, beer and pizza. you know, and the results of sporting events, and there's nothing wrong with that, but that's just some kind of relationship and then underneath that are other conversations that are about ideas that are difficult to articulate and then underneath that That, you talk about personal experiences that are difficult to articulate and Those are the three levels of depth that I think most of the conversations focus on one thing that I found really interesting, you know, you talk about really being yourself and asking the people what the relationship that you have with your wife is really like and what you talked about about that very brave moment of hers where she actually said this isn't working you've done your homework yeah I mean with things like this where I can learning that is so powerful to me and the way you think and some of the lessons you put together really are incredibly powerful, I found this one interesting.

I found your reaction or at least the way you put it now, really powerful, so tell us at that moment how authenticity plays a role and how you get to those deeper levels, yeah, it's not easy, you know, intimate relationships are challenging and because the person we are talking about knows you and knows if the relationship is really rich, almost all of you, I am not sure as a human being. This may sound sad, but I don't think another person, even in the most intimate of relationships, can know everything about another person, so there is a loneliness to the human experience that I think is important to honor and that doesn't mean it's in any way way I'm depressed, like there's a vitality inhow I look at life and engage in life, but there's also this honesty, you know, about the lonely part, so what happened in our relationship is that I was smashing and running finding out I was in study mode. big time study mode of the science of psychology and I had some initial successes that were occurring and essentially I was not watering the relationship and I was being selfish and that thirst that I had to understand the science and the application of the science of psychology .

I was watering the intimacy and the relationships of that relationship, so one day she came home and looking back, I wasn't surprised, but looking back, all the telltale signs were there, you know, for a long time, she. dI've been saying, "Hey, pay attention to the relationship," but I was like, Yeah, and I really thought everything was fine, but it wasn't, and finally one day she just was, you know, the most honest conversation and she It just grabbed me. I've been dating since high school and she grabbed me, you know, no not hard, but she got my attention and she said as a friend, as your best friend, I'm telling you this isn't working anymore, I love you, you're a wonderful person, but I can't figure out how to be me in this relationship, so I thought that was holy, that that was the worst thing a friend could say, that was the worst, so I said no, no, no, and she liked it, okay. , it's okay, I'm sitting down. you know, and she's like no, no, it's too late, yeah, and then I was my cue like I had to leave out of kindness and compassion for the experience and she's deeply sorry and I wish she was here in this conversation because Take it. lightly and say, well, you know, yeah, you know, because looking back it was the richest, most intense thing I've ever been through in the relationship, we hit rock bottom to your point, I moved in with one entry and I kind of bounced back. . from a couple different places, it was a month before we went back and had a conversation and she basically said, "I'm done," I said, "let's give it a chance, look, we've been together a long time, let's just give it a chance." I went to therapy and the first day with the therapist I identify with my Italian roots and she is Cuban, so the therapist is in front of us and she says this, wait, wait, it lifts her spirits, she says this is the worst I have never seen it.

I've seen it and it basically asked a really important question: Do they want to do the work? They need to work. Mike Lisa. They need to work. Do they want to do the work among themselves or if we are someone else. And I thought to myself. oh my god this is if she says I want I want to grow but I want to grow like another person this is the end of the relationship and that was the moment and my heart bursts oh and I knew I couldn't go first because that was the problem I was going first too long and that moment lasted, it felt like an eternity and obviously she said: I want to do the work with you, but I'm not sure I can trust you to do the work.

I work too so we work a little bit and we're still married so it's cool like looking back I mean work. I would encourage everyone you know in your community to do that deep, intimate work with someone and have real conversations. freedom is amazing, on the other hand, it's really amazing and it's hard to get to, so the deep work of really getting to know someone and figuring out what's important to them seems to be exactly what you do in your practice and also what What does that look like? Where does someone start in terms of trying to connect on that level?

A desire, you know, starts with a very deep desire to do the work, so you know, I wish there were seven steps to anything. It doesn't work that way, but I know from good research that there are some telltale signs that are highly accurate in predicting separation and therefore avoiding criticism, avoiding defensiveness in response, avoiding avoidance and avoidance. contempt, therefore, avoid those things that people have those things in their relationship are able to predict divorce with great accuracy within two years, yes, I remember reading some of that research and I think they call them the four horsemen, right, that's exactly, yeah, really really interesting and how contempt is like the one that's going to be, if you have that, yeah, that's really really interesting, so now, thinking about that in that context about how that humans come together, the way we can support each other, the way we transfer energy, which I find really interesting. not in a move away, but really like people got your vibe, you were telling a story about a time, I think it was with the Seahawks, but I'm not sure where some guy went crazy, he was just seeing red.

It's not like coming down from anger and the team confronted him, oh, and the way we synchronized I found it super interesting, yeah, so one of the athletes was right at the emotional end of his rope and he was just angry, you know, really angry and he flew off the bench, he was angry and there wasn't any and there's a this is a group of apex alpha competitors like these are alpha competitors in the Seattle Seahawks and you know, the majority. In highly competitive environments, they are alphas and these are physically strong big men and there wasn't a single human that could get his full attention and help him get to a place that was productive, so they clearly knew there was.

There was no one in a coach and they instinctively knew that they had to go around him and one boy tried it, another tried it alone, another tried it alone and then, sure enough, like in that moment and it's recorded, it's beautiful, it's really very special . and they just crowded around him and started jumping in this tribal way, you can't plan that, that's a deep connection that those men have and they care about each other and they care about the mission and how do you make that happen? ? all the upfront work on relationships and that's where Coach Carol came in to be a relationship based organization, it pays dividends in those types of moments and that doesn't mean it's always going to happen that way, there are certainly times where it's well, we have done it.

I have more work to do, you know? But that was a beautiful celebration of someone right on the edge that didn't make it easy for him to be mission-minded and the team and the community took care of that. It was really cool, yeah, that view really hit me and I loved your concept of the emotional, which I never heard anyone talk about before emotionally going to the edge of your limits and then using it as a training mechanism to improve and be able to. push your emotional limits further and further and i. I assume I'm capable of handling a greater emotional range for lack of a better word, so the question I had was: how do you train that?

How do you create? I'll give you a great example so you know what I'm talking about. In the business world, I found that it was very difficult to put myself in a situation where there were no real consequences at the same time and my anxiety was triggered because that's where I had struggled, yeah, and I just couldn't like the one thing that triggered my Anxiety was when there were real consequences, so I didn't want to put myself in that situation to train, so I started playing video games and I found that I had the same anxiety responses because there was a 14-year-old kid who was kicking my butt. and he was going to make fun of me at the end if I lost and that literally triggered the same breadth of anxiety, which is weird, but nonetheless, there were no real consequences, so I started doing that as a way to see how quickly could get there. in love God, I love that, okay, so we're talking about emotions, you know, there are only a handful of primary emotions and unfortunately no, we haven't done a great job in Western culture of teaching how to feel emotions, label them and so, how to work with them, you know, that doesn't happen.

I didn't have that course. I don't know if you did and I didn't have a course on how you know basic mental skills work, how to label them and how to train them, so we haven't done a great job of doing this on the educational platform and if there are only three things that we can train in the body craft, in mind, like why don't we train the mind, like why, because the way thoughts and emotions work, it's like a bang-bang experience, they happen side by side and there are a conversation about what comes first, is it a thought and then an emotion, or is it an emotion than a thought that most people in the field would say would be psychology.

Let's say it's thought more than emotion, the way I think about this is like a rider on an elephant, so the rider is the thought and then as soon as the emotion wants to run because the thought that maybe the rider is scared , you are having scary thoughts. or sad because it has a lot of sad basic thoughts that it is when the elephant wants to leave that the emotions run you are not controlling that thing your job my job is to be the rider a rider reflective and aware of the thoughts and when we are Yes we are able to be aware of our thoughts, we can guide them and negotiate them so that they do not escape, while ultimately there is a meta-awareness that takes place when you train awareness and I would like to have that conversation with you when you train the awareness of your thoughts, emotions, bodily sensations and your environment, awareness of your environment, those four things, we become more attuned to being able to choose great thoughts, we can tap into our emotions, we can feel our bodily sensations and use them to facilitate clear thinking, creative thinking. or great performance and when we become more aware of the unpredictable environment that is developing around us, we will be able to correct course, adjust and pivot, and that makes a difference in the most intense environments in the world, whether it is a vulnerability of emotional or center court intensity. whatever sporting environment we are talking about, so again your first thought is your vulnerability, this is how we train emotional capacity and the more vulnerable we become and show the courage to do so, we expand our capacity to feel and, if I know it, I can reach the extreme limits of an emotion and I start to feel a little emotion and, like quickly, going outwards, let's say, it's like panic, like a very high fear and I'm starting to feel anxious o I start to feel something on that scale, well I don't have to panic about anxiety, I can actually use it as a signal, oh look, what am I thinking my thoughts are about?

This is scary, how scary is this and then I can start working with that instead of as soon as I start to feel something and this is my capacity, I feel anxious, I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to run to the edge, now. our job is to push that thing out as far as we can so that when we're in those emotionally charged environments we have a lot of room to play and that's what the mark of a teacher is, okay, I want to stress that I'm very curious. I want to know how to use this in my life, so when you say how your vulnerability helps me, I'm not worried about looking stupid or whatever, I panic, just don't worry about it or it's so multiple. factored question you have, it's like there's so much to it, let's see if we can, have you heard of Yolo, yeah, you only live once, FOMO, yeah, fear of missing out, okay.

I want to introduce a new kind of fun concept and before I share it with you: we have an ancient brain that is working in modern times and our ancient brain does not adapt as fast as modern technology, like its path, it is changing rapidly, okay , so our ancient brain is designed to survive, okay, it's easy to form. of tracking that idea and how we track that idea is that the information right now comes to your brain in two ways: the high road and the low road and the high road goes up to your thinking brain and the low way goes down to your emotional brain. the amygdala to the emotional centers of the brain and it reaches the fight/flight response mechanisms here at twice the speed, so it arrives all the time, the information arrives twice as fast and twice as fast before it gets here. the thinking part of the brain so what is happening here is that you are right now you are leaving and I am leaving no, this is safe no, we are safe no, we are fine, this is fine, this is fine and then our brain is designed to determine if we will be safe and well here.

That came from the saber-toothed tigers that came from the whisper and the bush. Is it a saber tooth or is it a bunny? So we had to find out. We discovered how to be hypervigilant in order to escape, our ancestors passed that gift on to us, but what are they? We don't have saber teeth anymore. So what is our modern fear? What do other people think? Period, fear of a false step. from other people's opinions, true, I think it's smart, that's good, although it was a misstep, but that's our modern threat. What other people think, that's why public speaking is so difficult for people you know, because what's at stake?

It's what another human being thinks ofWe, then, are we really good at capturing facial structures? state before someone else can embarrass us like that and that's why we have this self-cutting mechanism, the self-criticism mechanism that basically consisted of beating ourselves up or softening us up and it's not a good way to not confront those victims publicly so that our brains It's great at picking up on these little cues and other people so that we can adapt and provide some kind of protection mechanism against being exposed to not being good enough because if we're not good enough we get kicked out of the tribe and what in the times. moderns, what that means is maybe we got laid off and so you know there's a lot at stake for people if they don't have a job.

Such a long way of saying that the biggest fear in modern times is what other people think, so our job. It's loving others and not caring what they think of us, but not in a cold way, but really loving other people because we only have one emotion at a time, that's how our brain works. an emotion, you are either anxious or you are happy. I can't get both at the same time. Our job is really to find the right state where we want to be in the right emotional place and we use that instead of letting the brain win and the brain win by saying what are they thinking what are they thinking?

I am safe? I am safe? sure and if that is not trained or conditioned, it will win. It sounds like a lot of this depends on your ability to be software and you said you know there's a training process so how do you train a level of self-awareness that you can deploy against that okay super thoughtful so this is not a new thought, but there is an incredible awareness being gained, which is mindfulness, if we follow the science on mindfulness in 1980, there were two or three research articles on mindfulness, that's not much. In 2008 there was an increase of a couple hundred in 2016, there is this J-shaped hockey stick arc that happened in 2016-17, there are thousands of research papers from academic universities, so what is happening in that trend with that trend?

Mindfulness has been around for, say, 2,500 years 2,600 years and research is starting to find incredible changes in our brain, neurochemistry and electricity structurally, things are changing in behavior, there is a big change and it starts with awareness of the thoughts and emotions, there are two pillars to mindfulness, you could use the word meditation if you wanted. I use the word mindfulness because meditation in alpha competitive environments has some kind of charge, sir, so we can say mindfulness - training that works best, but there are two main pillars of mindfulness, one is awareness and the second pillar It's wisdom, so if we were to do mindfulness a disservice and stop at pillar one and become more aware of your thoughts, your emotions, your bodily sensations, and the environment, you would perform better because you would correct the direction more eloquently and here is something really important for you.

I can't I can't be close to a wise person and suddenly be wise I can't you can't hijack wise wisdom you can't you can't shortcut it it's with her you can't read a wise book and suddenly be wise, you have to reveal it, you have to do the work based on silence and listening and you have to reveal that this is how it happens and that takes time, it takes time for this busy mind that is so busy. spread all over the place with external stimulation and internal dialogue to quiet it, let go of the noise to get to the signal and the more time we can spend conditioning our mind to be connected to the signal, which is the present moment, the stillness that was speaking of us revealing flashes of wisdom, everything changes, so those are the two pillars of mindfulness, how do you train it?

Research would suggest between 8 and 20 minutes a day. The minimum effective dose would be 8 minutes a day of training, you know, mindfulness or. Meditation, we can talk more concretely if you want, which is more than 20 minutes or more, but for the most part, more is better. I love that when people ask you, how did you end up working with P Carol?, like you know she was, hey. you call them or whatever what your answer to that question is was amazing, but your actual answer of how you did it, the 18 years of cutting your teeth is the part of your story that I think I like the most, tell us a little about that .

You mean by cutting your teeth how the hell did you convince yourself to spend 18 years every Saturday in a gym? Yes, God, I miss him. I just got a gym. You know, I miss that experience. I'm so I'm struggling right now. my life with who can afford access to do this deep work like I have done I have trained I don't know 30 years I have invested millions of dollars in the craft I have made many mistakes I have learned an incredible amount of research and from the best doers and thinkers of the world and there's a great one of me and I'm really struggling with who has access to this information because it feels really selfish and that's why right now it's reserved for the rich and that's, but that's not where I come from, so the 18 years of being a lumberjack, if you will, what we are talking about is that it was born from an entrepreneurial courage that did not know what it was going to do, a mentor of mine, this is clear. from college and a mentor of mine said: Hi Mike, this is a temporary part-time job that you might be interested in, it's like three weeks, twenty hours a week, it's a non-profit, it would be nice to just donate to the community and it was they had this government funding for crime prevention and alcohol and drug prevention those two, so on day two I thought, well, they have a lot of money like they had adequate funding back in the day when it was like that. 1989, so it was a democratic approach to government and that's why they have a lot of money and I said, hey, I went to the CEO and told him I didn't have a place to do this right.

I told him if I had an idea. Would they finance it? and they said: well, what's the idea. I said, well, let me work on it and let me clear it up and we can talk tomorrow. So I came back with this concept and the idea was what is a premium? Now for young high school and college athletes, there is nowhere to go on Saturday night, you can go to a party, but there is nowhere to go to do athletics, so what if we can get a gym , open the gym, bring in a DJ to network high school athletes and train them in some psychology that I'm learning in undergrad.

I just finished my bachelor's degree, learning if I could train them in some leadership things and then open the gym and see If we can get some basketball going and create a proper learning culture, then they said yeah, let's try it, so the CEO He tried it the first night we had 130 young people, it was mostly men who showed up and it was incredible. It's prime time party hours, we picked a gang-neutral territory to do it in and I was just one step ahead of the ideas, so I and then I was just starting my master's program and what I basically did was use the Saturday night. as a refuge for me to be around like-minded people people like to sweat and compete and you know, I'm not interested in the party scene, but I really do something fun and engaging that way and then my job is the price of admission to this. beautiful, three indoor courts, beautiful, rare property in Los Angeles that was gang neutral and the price of admission was listening to me for 10 to 15 minutes thinking I thought it was important and this now imagines one hundred and thirty tall young men. school university 80 years 90 percent are getting involved and I'm not getting involved at all obviously and when I say obviously it's like that's not where I come from and you can imagine they don't want to listen to me, they have no interest in Listen, they want to play hit the ball, listen to the music and move on, so I had to be clear and brief, which I'm not in this conversation.

I had to be really intense and determined about how I can have a great mindset. practice that they could use tonight and we could practice it tonight and I had this with the staff from the middle school kids who were also informed about it and we would support and challenge them to try it tonight self-talk to set goals breathe when you get to the resolving intense conflict, how to use words and emotions and get yourself out of a commitment instead of a fistfight in eighteen, every Saturday night from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. m. or sorry, 8:00 p.m. m.

Until midnight I was in a sweaty gym working on how to convey sports psychology or mindset principles in time to a group of people who didn't really care what I had to say and I had to be concise and brief and get into it and then see if it could work in 18 years, we had three fights. Wow, three fights. I mean, I just got a tweet today and it would be fun to share. A tweet today where a kid went through that show, I mean, during the show. He was probably 18 years old. He tattooed his face.

You know, really a big advantage over him reached the limit. I mean, when you get a tattoo above the neck, there's something there, so he got his face tattooed. intense and tweeted just today, Mike said, thank you, many lives have been saved by what we did together during those 18 years and he was a participant showing everyone, he was someone who almost fought on a regular basis, but we worked. I worked and we worked, so I miss it, I long for it. You know, the ability to share information and be involved in a relationship where other people grow is like something electric, so thanks for mentioning that, that's where I worked.

I took it out and by the way, my office was a janitor's office with no windows, it was me and three rats that I was chasing out of that thing for years, that's where I went to work, that was my office and I look back and I have good memories like good old days of being, you know, dirty and you know how it was, it was amazing, so thanks for letting me share that, man, sure, thanks for sharing it, yeah, okay, before I ask my last question, tell these guys where they can find you online. mm-hmm many places so LinkedIn Michael Gervais ger the AIS and then Twitter is on Michael Gervais Instagram is finding mastery and that's why we launched a podcast called finding mastery and you can also find us online the partnership with Coach Carroll is called competing to create and it's about taking the principles of how you ignite a culture where people become better and the principles of how to train the mind and bring those two things together for companies and that's competing to create and then again the search for podcast domain. is find net domain, okay, very good, my last question, what is the impact you want to have in the world?

Okay, so the idea is that one in five people in an organization and one in five people in a family or a business organization helps them condition. and train your mind to live in the present moment more often because the present moment is where all the high-performance things take place, it's where love happens, it's where relationships and the fabric of relationships are strengthened and revealed, it is where flashes of wisdom and potential happened. Therefore, increasing the frequency with which people spend time in the present moment and the way to do this is by conditioning and training their mind in non-hostile, now difficult and non-stressful environments, and intentionally working in more hostile, stressful, environments. difficult and emotionally challenging.

It doesn't mean there are physical consequences, it just means that something is real to you and doing it according to regulation so that one in five people live in the present moment more often. I love it, thank you very much for being here, yes, thank you guys. I'm telling you that what's absolutely fascinating about him is exactly what he just said at the end: it's mindfulness, it's being in the present moment, which is where all the high-performance, high-performance greatness exists. It wasn't the answer I expected. When I started researching him, I discovered someone I knew because of his accomplishments, the people he helped do these extraordinary things.

I didn't think the punchline was going to turn inward, finding that inner peace, finding the calm in this moment and that notion that he has of letting the past and the future exist simultaneously now as noise in the present. I thought that was a really powerful way to explain exactly what mindfulness is, to find that silence so that you can listen to the subconscious so that you can be as he says, where your feet were thought to be absolutely incredible, believe me when I say that go watch the videos he's done, the other interviews, take it as a body of work, it's absolutely amazing, you'll be blown away.

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