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House Impeachment Managers Sit Down with CNNís Anderson Cooper

House Impeachment Managers Sit Down with CNNís Anderson Cooper
hey welcome to ac360 a special report I'm

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in Washington for two weeks we watch seven Democratic

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lay out a case to convict president Donald Trump on two charges abuse of power and obstruction of Congress they alleged the president withheld military aid from Ukraine and dangled a meeting in the White

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for Ukraine's newly elected president all in exchange for an announcement of an investigation into president Truong political rival Joe Biden and his son hunter we were watching history in the makings these seven

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made their case for only the third

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trial in history the trial was filled with ups and downs for both sides new evidence reportedly from former national security adviser John Bolton came to light as well as recordings of the president released by a former associate of Rudy Giuliani but a vote to call new witnesses failed despite support from two Republican senators when it came down to vote to convict or quit there was another surprise Republican senator Mitt Romney voted with Democrats on one count abuse of power in the end the president was acquitted on both counts he's seven

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Adam Schiff Jerry Nadler Val Deming Sylvia Garcia Jason Crowes Olaf gran and Hakeem Jeffries are speaking out tonight as a group for the first time since the president was acquitted first of all when you assuming you all get newspapers when you woke up today and you saw this I'm wondering when you saw the...
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headline I just saw it for the first time here what did you think what do I think right now yeah I think he's not been exonerated what do you mean by that it's hard to have an acquittal without a fair trial this was the first

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trial in American history where we didn't have witnesses and documents and I think the American people realize that because you know as we sit here right now there are thousands of Americans walking into court

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s across the country and they're taking their oath and they're gonna be sitting as jurors in trials and they're gonna hear from witnesses and documents and they're asking themselves why Washington and Donald Trump should be any different and of course the answer is it shouldn't and they understand so when the president says this is a victory that he's been exonerated you're saying he hasn't this is exoneree he's not been exonerated and this is the first

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in American history where senator from his own party voted to convict the president we also knew going in that given the nature of the Republican Party which has become a complete follow-the-leader no matter what that they were never going to vote no matter what the evidence they were never going to vote against the president no matter what the evidence that and we saw you believe that going in oh he absolutely believed it going and then there were discussions that maybe we shouldn't do it because given the nature of the...
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Republican Party they were never going to convict no matter what but we had to do it because we had to set markers you had to say that you can't normalize this conduct this kind of thing this president has done can't be done by him or by future presidents you had to vindicate the Constitution so we did that and the fact that for the first time in American history you had people you had senators voting to convict the president of their own party it was very very important I actually thought that it was possible to convict because our evidence was so strong and the activity engaged him was so wrong so you thought there would be more Republicans willing to well I had hopes and I think the interesting thing is so many of the senators said they believed what he did was wrong we made our case they just didn't want to vote to remove him so some of them hope that he's chastised and will improve his behavior I hope I mean the you know Gallup poll taken before the final vote showed a forty nine percent approval rating among independents he was up five points I mean did this but the

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backfire on Democrats well back to the acquittal part of this I would consider that fake news because we did not have a fair trial and I think back to Robert Muller's words when he said if he could exonerate the president he would but he could not exonerate the president the evidence again was overwhelming against him many senators said that we proved our case that the...
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evidence was clear and convincing and overwhelming the president is not narrator today and you know in terms of the polls we were there to present the best case to the Senators and to the American people I believe we did that the fact that again senator Romney senator Romney was not standing with the Democrats or standing against the president he was standing up for what he believed was right upholding the rule of law and protecting and defending the Constitution I am profoundly religious my faith is at the heart of Who I am I take an oath before God as enormous ly consequential I knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president's the leader of my own party would be the most difficult decision I have ever faced I was not wrong mr. Romney mr. Romney guilty and so I believe while the numbers didn't turn out the way we would have wished I believe that Senator Ron Lee Romney's folks since a clear message to not just the American people but his fellow senators as well German Shepherd did it backfire no I find myself optimistic coming out of this trial which may be counterintuitive but the fact that senators and indeed a small number showed the kind of courage they did senators like Mitt Romney obviously but also Jones Joe Manchin and others I think they lived up to the confidence the founders put in our ability to have self-governance that we could rise to the occasion and and so I find myself optimistic about the future I do think that what Mitt...
Romney did in particular demonstrates that one person can change the course of history I think he will give strength to others who will learn that you can stand up to this president you can even disagree with the leader of your party and be an example of courage to others I know that I think in the future when we have difficult votes when we are asked to put country over party that we will look to his example so you know I I find the end of this trial with the surprise that it took the turn that it took with that courageous vote you said that that standing up against your own party on a vote is harder than standing up against the opposing party well I you know it's a I think an aspect of political courage that's rarely understood by the public but it's understood by every elected official and that is when you're asked to disagree with your adversaries that's easy it's when you're asked to disagree with your friends that it becomes very difficult it's not always does Mitt Romney have any friends in the Republican Party today I think he's got millions of friends around the country and I think he's got friends that within the Senate chamber who respect him and probably look on him with some Envy that he had the courage to do what maybe they did not do you think other Republican senators wish they did what Mitt Romney did or could have done I mean that speculation but I think the

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trial was never about polls politics or...
personality disagreements with President Trump it's about the precious nature of the Constitution in fact you know George Washington observed in his farewell address to the nation that the Constitution is sacredly obligatory upon all that means everyone and from the very beginning of this effort led by Chairman Schiff and speaker Pelosi we've been trying to vindicate the notion that in America no one is above the law not even the President of the United States of America senator Romney's vote confirmed that sacred principle and there are millions of Americans tens of millions of Americans across the country who will be grateful for him in that regard and history will be grateful for the effort that Democrats and that one Republican and others across the country have undertaken is is there anything though to stop the president from calling up Rudy Giuliani and saying hey you know what open up an office couple blocks from here and then go back to Ukraine and get Solinsky to announcement investigations Biden's let's go to China let's see what they can do let's let's have a tour going just travel around Europe and the rest of the world and get investigations going is there anything to stop him from doing that well according to his lawyers he can do that and more and that he can do anything he wants to do to get reelected use our taxpayer dollars as long as he thinks it's in the public interest I mean I think it's a very outlandish kind of...
Lone Ranger kind of view but but it was essentially the argument is correct and if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in

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and I think if he's got if he's surrounded himself with people like that that are enabling him to do whatever he wants he will do whatever he wants and that's the danger because it is about the impact it will have on our flight as voters to have our say in the 2020 election and if he's seeking help from a net foreign country or more than one foreign country any help from any foreign person that means he's interfering with my free right to have my say it diminishes my vote it diminishes my role and it's contrary to the Constitution and everything we believe it it just sort of puts a dagger into the heart of our way of living and who we are as a country Herman you were there during the Watergate Watergate hearings is the Republican Party vastly different than it was back then in terms of their willingness as it was Republicans in the end who went to Nixon and said look you this is you don't have my vote Barry Goldwater and other well you know I remember Caldwell Butler who is a Republican from rural Virginia very conservative man in a he was a huge fan of President Nixon and he ended up voting to impeach Nixon but he said something this is an exact quote but something to the effect that this is on us this is...
on the Republicans to clean up and we never heard that in certainly in the

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and but I think we did hear from Senator Romney a very principled statement that is oath counted more than his party and that was inspiring to me now he's getting a lot of grief from the president about it but I think when you do the right thing when you honor your word and you look at the facts in the end you'll never be troubled by doing that and we didn't see enough of that this time but I have tremendous faith and confidence in our country and I know that voters will be looking at a variety of factors this fall but one of the things that people care about is our Constitution but is in our country isn't our system based on checks and balances and having a co-equal branch of government that's willing and able to push back it is it is but there is a consequence that the voters themselves can deliver through this failure of the system itself to work this time there is a I think there's a very fundamental difference between the Republican Party today and then in 1973-74 during the Watergate thing you had courageous individuals like Caldwell Butler and Larry Hogan who came out of for the

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of the president when most Republicans were vote were supporting the president but when that remember the the the the the Supreme Court ordered that the tapes be revealed and the smoking gun tape came out as soon as the smoking gun tape came out and revealed certain facts all the...
Republicans said only if I had only known a week ago I would have voted to convict the president and Barry Goldwyn everybody went to the president said you're done you haven't got a single vote what was revealed on that tape was piddling compared to what was absolutely proven now and yet the bulk of the Republican Party now refused to to act they were perfectly prepared and to let this kind of unconstitutional theft of an electorate enter theft of an election go forward when Trump jet is worse than what Nixon did Oh far worse congressmen Demings you have a career in law enforcement police chief in in in Orlando you've said that that I'm paraphrasing you that we hold police recruits to a higher standard than this president is being held to other than the physical requirement what is the higher standard that a police recruit is held to then the president United States right now well let me say this what has been most shocking to me during this experience as a former law enforcement officer is that as a law enforcement officer when we present a with strong evidence we expect a conviction there's no save myself or I believe in one person and I'm gonna follow him over the cliff no matter if he's guilty or not the fact that the Senators didn't just ignore the evidence and then when they thought there was an additional witness that might come in and testify or present evidence against the president they refused to hear that witness witnesses and...
evidence are the strength of a case and so when I think about young police recruits as a police chief when I hired them one of the things that I wanted to make sure that they clearly understand was stood was that but the culture of the agency had to remain aboveboard that corruption could not reside in this place and we always expected them to be truthful honest and treat people with dignity and respect think about those qualities the senators just protected a person who is not truthful who is not honest who tried to cheat and makes fun of people who were disabled and people of color and separates families a police recruit of a police recruit a young police officer new on the department had done what the president did he or she would have been fired john bolton i'm wondering what you all think of the way john bolton has handled this witness's john bolton i'm wondering what you all think of the way john bolton has handled this has handled Wiggins chessmen we reached out to John Paul to his counsel after the senators voted down his testimony to see whether he would be willing to submit an affidavit under oath that would still be valuable during trial even if he wasn't coming to testify if he wasn't gonna come to test a sworn affidavit when affidavit and he refused now he will have to explain at some point why he is willing to put this in a book but not in an affidavit under oath he's making the leads of each's as well which he drops sort of comment...
as well yes I'm you know it is fairly inexplicable but you know frankly it's more inexplicable that when he was willing to come forward before the Senate that the Senators did not want to hear what he had to say and for those centers and there have been a few to say we didn't heed to hear from John Bolton because basically the

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proved the president guilty even without him and we should let the voters decide they could not explain why they don't want the voters to know the full facts did Bolton's attorneys explain to you why he would not even submit an affidavit not that I'm aware of no nor why he would distinguish between testimony in the

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versus the Senate was it a mistake not to subpoena him I knew he had indicated he would not respond to us there's nothing a Torsen answer's no if we subpoena John bolt would be in the same place with him nine months from now that we are with Don began today which is we still wouldn't have a final court judgment and the other thing I'll say is had we done what the president would would have you believe and it's a hard argument for them to make that the

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should have gone to court when they were in the court saying the

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is not allowed to come to court but nonetheless had we taken the year or two years to go to court to try to force this testimony the senators the Republican senators made all too clear it wouldn't matter them they already believed the present guilty we had...
proved already with the evidence we have today if we proved it a year and a half from now with different evidence there's no indication that would have made any difference but we would have had the risk of going forward with this election without the country knowing of the president's misconduct without some effort being made to protect the integrity of our elections so I feel very comfortable with the decision we've made and the fact that we were able to prove the case even without these additional witnesses because the testimony we already had is pretty overwhelming so when John Bolton's book comes out and it has whatever details it has in it I mean do you still want him to testify do you still German ad alert rumors of him do you want to call him in to testified you want to we haven't made any decisions about that what we wanted to do is get through the trowel which just ended and then make a decision about next steps and we'll have to weigh the need to validate and vindicate Congress's oversight power on the one hand with the continuing imperative that has always been our first priority and that is doing the business of the American people and our policy agenda making sure people have access to health care and good jobs and so we're gonna have to make that balance it was interesting Mitt Romney asked a question of the attorneys during the the trial essentially which was do you remember what what was the day that the president decided to...
withhold aid and how was that transmitted the president's attorneys could not answer that question and that to me that was it's extraordinary to think just on a historical basis we have no idea really of the day to day timeline I mean you all did as best a job as you could of piecing together and you were able to find out a lot of information but you they keep the president's own his attorney cannot say oh yeah I was honored that they would not say it's not necessarily they could not say they would not say we have to presume that the records we subpoenaed which would show exactly that they had possession at certain they don't want the Congress to see them they don't want the country to see them doesn't mean that they haven't reviewed will those documents ever come out well this is part of a larger problem which was actually article 2 of the

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of the

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not only did they try to hide every every piece of evidence that might bear on the president's misconduct the president sent out a general order that nobody from the executive branch should test the fight to Congress nobody should answer any subpoena nobody should give any information they called it absolute immunity which is nonsense now that means besides the fact that you're trying to cover up evidence of your own misconduct it means that you're trying to make sure that Congress has no information about what the administration is doing Congress cannot function...
without information it is our job as a co-equal branch of government to oversee what any administration is doing to find out what they're doing in child care or what they're doing in health policy or whatever and to react to it and to propose legislation to deal with it a refusal to allow Congress information is basically a declaration that we're gonna rule without Congress and we're gonna have it they only have an executive dictatorship or stonewalling that's what they would in this case stonewalling has worked and that is why we had the second article of

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to impeach him for abuse of power by trying to eliminate in effect any congressional role by refusing all information to Congress was it was work forever though yes a couple of things are clear and I took from senator Romney's question number one that he was truly interested in getting to the facts he asked legitimate questions about issues that he wanted to learn more about he wasn't trying to make political statements and you know I honor the way in which he did that the second thing is is the truth will come out whether it comes out and ambassador Bolton's books emails down the road you know a testimony by other people that were involved in this or some future administration releases the record people will know the Senate decided they didn't want to know the truth when it mattered the most during this trial but it will eventually come out Oh is there a discussion of trying...
to go after the document subpoena the documents and have it go through the courts and I mean it's not something that's in the public view it doesn't take away from the candidates running for president on the campaign trail they're you know they're not gonna be asked about that all the time it seems to me that you know there's an ongoing discussion as Adam said but making sure that we in the

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Majority continue to do the business of the American people focus on the lowering health care costs and acting a real infrastructure plan fixing our crumbling bridges roads tunnels airports mass transportation system making life better for everyday Americans as we've been doing from day one we passed over 400 bills 275 of them are bipartisan in nature maybe the Senate will start doing something about the legislation that is sitting over there in a graveyard at the same time we have this oversight responsibility as a separate and co-equal branch of government to continue to just you know follow the facts apply to law be guided by the Constitution present the truth to the American people this is all unfolding in the context of a White that has executed as it relates to the Ukrainian shakedown scheme a cold-blooded cover-up that was largely exposed but there still is information that they're withholding and we'll see what happens in that context but as has been said repeatedly by the

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the truth will all eventually come out was it a mistake not...
to charge bribery I send a question to the desk the question from Senator Collins is for the

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the

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Judiciary Committee report accompanying the articles of

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asserted the president committed criminal bribery as defined in 18 USC Section 201 and honest services fraud as defined in 18 USC Section 1346 but these offenses are not cited in the articles of

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did the president's actions as alleged in the articles of

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constitute violations of these federal criminal laws and if so why were they not included in the articles was it a mistake not to charge bribery that there were a number of legal analysts who you know it's easy to look at somebody else's case and say what you should have charged but who raised the question of why not actually charge bribery that would have been an actual crime that can that would have satisfied on some Republicans who said that there's no crime well the Republicans who said that there's no crime are in ignorance the bribery was charged in the facts stated in the charges abuse of power which is what the what the first article

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was is the prime crime and not I'm not against the Criminal Code but is the crime is the prime crime for which a president may be impeached it is what the framers meant behind high crimes and misdemeanors but they would have argued whether it meets the code section they would have said what was you know in the founders minds and because that's...
a reason not to cite bribery you're saying that no the reason not to cite it is that we've always cited abuse of power that's what high crimes and misdemeanors means if you read the notes from the Constitutional Convention and then you cite the facts in this case it was brought Republicans are saying you're trying to have it both ways that you're trying to now it's so different through use of power and as a bribery may not charge bribe it's no different than Nixon and really any of the

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proceedings it's a high high crime and misdemeanor is abuse of power and then there are elements that may or may not be a crime in this case there was probably the crime of bribery but you don't cite that crime that's that's been the the pattern Republicans continue to move the goalposts my colleagues are absolutely correct it would not have mattered let's look at where we started the call was perfect we did nothing wrong yet then we moved from the call was perfect we did nothing wrong and there was certainly no quid pro quo and then it was well the

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s procedure was screwed up that they violated or did not give us due process and then it was oh no I did it there was a quid pro quo and so what get over it it doesn't rise to the level of

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and so while we were trying to present a case that showed all of the facts to the American people that was not the Republicans goal they came the the president's council came with...
smoke and mirrors they did not come with facts and the truth they came with smoke and mirrors to make you believe that we were the ones who had done something wrong and paid no attention to the glaring overwhelming evidence of the president's wrongdoing the other the other the other key fact here the key provision is that it has always been understood that crimes on the one hand and impeachable offenses on the other hand are different you can have a crime that's not impeachable you can have an impeachable offense that's not a crime and the S of an impeachable offense his abuse of power

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is not the

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clause and Constitution was not there to punish crimes that's why that's why that's why you can't put someone in prison as a result of

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or find him

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was put there as a protection of the Republic against the president who would aggregate eyes power who had tried to to subvert the Constitution subvert the role of Congress avert protections and the framers didn't mention specific crimes at all because you couldn't possibly anticipate what a president in the future might do that a president might do what what what what what this president did or that a president might decide to conspire with Putin to give him back Alaska those would certainly be impeachable but there's no crime he won't brought up hunter Biden and burr yzma what was the thinking of bringing up hunter by dinner you know what you all...
brought up hunter Biden and burr yzma one of the arguments that Republicans made was well we didn't want to bring this up we weren't going to bring this up and Bondy got up we would prefer not to be talking about this we would prefer not to be discussing this but the

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have placed this squarely at issue so we must address it a do you believe that argument and we can't be what was the thinking of bringing up hunter by dinner you know what the president tried to slime Joe Biden because he was afraid Joe Biden would beat him in the election and the president's team used the

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trial to try and achieve that same goal that's exactly what they whether you had brought it up or not we didn't drink we didn't bring it up we didn't bring it up the the factual charge on the Ukraine was that the president used tried to use state power he withheld military aid that had been voted for by Congress to the Ukraine in order to get the Ukrainian government to announce a bonus a bogus investigation of the Biden's because they're his political opponents he was using state power for his personal political benefit now that was terrible and impeachable because it for all the obvious reasons that you're you're using state power in order to try to get to get foreign help to interfere and cheat in the next election okay the Republicans brought up well hunter Biden did this with Berea etc etcetera etcetera completely irrelevant...
completely relevant what he did I didn't do had nothing to do with the question which was did the president subvert government power in order to help himself with his election by getting the Ukrainian government to to slime his presumed opponent a joke it was just another distraction just like some of the arguments that Miss Demi's brought up I mean it was another distraction another Distortion hunter Biden was not on trial the president United States was on trial damn it Joe Biden is a candidate uh I I personally don't think so but I guess again he was President Vice President Biden was not on trial neither was hunter bite and I think that public sees it it was totally irrelevant and I don't think it's it's going to it long term but I you know frankly I've been busy with the trial I haven't really follow up call mention to

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is we never discussed this case in the context of how it affects the 2020 elections right except that we wanted to protect the country against foreign interference so I think a lot of people watching would find that hard to believe that that that wasn't at least part of it was not our calculus at all and you know our job was to fulfill our constitutional duty to put forward the strongest case that we could to inform the American people of the president's serious misconduct and let the chips fall where they may and we can certainly understand why commentators and others would speculate what's the impact...
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going to be but that wasn't our job and it really shouldn't be a factor in our consideration so I still don't know what the impact is and I guess we only find out in the course of time but the more important thing from our point of view was that this is a present to the day after he felt he was exonerated by Bob Muller was back on the phone seeking foreign interference again that he was willing to sacrifice our national security the integrity of our elections to to get help in cheating in the next election and we had to stand up to that conduct Jr's Lamar Alexander have and others have indicated they think the president has learned a lesson do any of you believe that he would not try to do this again Joni Ernst Lamar Alexander have and others have indicated they think the president has learned a lesson do any of you believe that he would not try to do this again yeah of course he hasn't learned a lesson because as we repeatedly pointed out throughout the trial Donald Trump is a serial solicitor as it relates to trying to solicit foreign interference in our elections he solicited foreign interference from the Russians he solicited foreign interference from the Chinese at the heart of the scandal is that he tried to solicit foreign interference from the Ukrainians to pressure an American citizen Joe Biden to elevate his own personal political game as part of an effort to cheat in an upcoming election and absent any consequences to the extent...
that he perceives the acquittal as an exoneration it's a faith exoneration but to the extent that the president perceives it as vindication of his bad behavior his constitutional crime his wrongdoing then there's reason to believe that he will endeavor to do it again and that's one of our responsibilities you know moving forward is going to be as the as the watch guards of that investigation but we're also gonna have to rely on the American people the best indicator of future performance is to look at past performance I called Donald Trump a habitual offender he was in Florida during the campaign when he said Russia if you were listening and obviously they were and then the day after as has been indicated the day after the Special Counsel testified on the hill the president's on the phone invited another foreign power to interfere in our election and then when he's caught he goes to the microphone and doubles down and invites China and reminds Ukraine that yeah you should investigate the Biden's we have no reason to believe that this president has learned anything if he had perhaps he would have began the State of the Union address the other night by apologizing to the American people that you know he did what he did was wrong and he's regretful for it we haven't heard that and we shouldn't expect to hear do you think if Mick Mulvaney if Bolton if you know let Parnas if there had been witness testimony do you think it would have made...
any difference with Republicans well I'm not I'm not a mind-reader and I've learned that my crystal ball is broken I'm very good at predicting the future but you know amidst all of the legal discussion here in the discussion about trial strategy and whether we should have done more of this or less of that I think it's important we don't lose sight of what is actually happening what actually happened and why I'm here you know my career in public service to the country started as a soldier and I still remember every day when I wake up I still remember what it felt like to be the lieutenant on the ground in Baghdad and not have the support that me and my men needed you talk about that on the floor of armored vehicles how lonely that felt and how we felt forgotten right that distance between Washington DC and Baghdad those thousands of miles some days felt like millions of miles and one of my goals here was to close that gap between the discussions we have in Washington and the politics and the legal debates and the in the political jockeying that happens here in the real world consequences downrange in the bottom line is that the president of the United States has shown us time and time again that he will always put his interests above the interests of the people that he serves and he has sworn an oath to defend and that's what this is about you know we have 68,000 US soldiers in Europe who stand ready to defend our partner Ukraine and he was...
willing to withhold made from that partner at war to benefit himself and people cannot forget that he let us down too often and I have no hope that this time it will get better and I I just it's regretful that some senators can use words like it was shameful it was inappropriate it was wrong because it is and he's done that in so many other times so he sled us down and I think well he was acquitted he's not fully exonerated in

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this president doesn't understand a soldier like Jason he doesn't understand a person who would leave their home go and fight in a foreign land for our freedoms he doesn't understand the police officer that would risk their lives to save a stranger he doesn't understand a firefighter that would run in a burning building to risk his life to save a family he doesn't understand members of Congress who take our oath the heart I believe this President believes that every man and woman can be bought could you please respond to the answer just given by the president's counsel and provide any other comments the Senate would benefit from hearing before we adjourn for the evening there was a moment yeah as you know the president was clearly watching all this very carefully there was a moment when chairmanship you were German and allure you were getting up to speak German sir Hugh said Jerry Jerry the president said that you guys were fighting big time were you fighting big no but the president loves to so division not...
just in a I think a vain effort to so division among

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but he loves to so division in the country he loves to pit people against each other what happened in that moment well you know we tried to choreograph our questions so that each of us would have a different subject matter and each of us would know when we would go up to the mic you know we couldn't do it perfectly we could do it perfectly because some questions were repeats and some were sort of in in the midst between two I I think Jerry knew that was gonna be the last question of the evening and and so we had our signals crossed but I think frankly we were pretty flawless in terms of arranging for members to be able to respond to those questions in real time that was the belief that you knew it was the last you wanted to have the last no you know there's a lot of people who look at this and watch this and are depressed by the result there's a lot of people obviously in the country who are thrilled by the results as well to the people who are sad and depressed demoralized by the results of this and by what they have seen what do you say to them I mean you you've been living and breathing this now for four years but but but very intensely the last the last few months what do you say to people who that say look I mean all the headlines today or the president's been acquitted those who believe he's guilty say he got away with it well I would say we have been through far greater difficulty in...
our history we're gonna get through this chapter the sooner the better and the actions that we take today including impeaching the President and trying him I think will have the effect of slowing that momentum of the country away from democracy until we return to our bearings and and once again we have an occupant the Oval Office who has integrity you never fully realize how important character is and the president until you find you have won without it but I am optimistic about the country's future and we'll get through this I would just add the

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s behind us now you know my late father used to say don't agonize organize we have an election this November and the people themselves can't impeach the president for this behavior thank you for your time yeah that was the first time since the trial ended that the

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got together to discuss their prosecution of the case against President Trump that's it for us thanks for watching