Here's Why Tamika Mallory And Many Others Won't Condemn Farrakhan ...

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I talked about his fight with Johnson over the n-double-a-cp and the Women's March and of course it's happening this weekend, they've been caught up in some drama while they're still organizing of course , three years ago t

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are less than 250 or 200 this week, the Democratic Party The party withdrew as a sponsor, there were reports in the media that the n-double-a-cp also withdrew with his Johnson simply answered that for us and there was a lot of criticism, people who went after the leaders of the March, including my next guest, Tameka.

Mallory, who's joining us right now, I'm glad to have you in the studio, so you won the view on Monday. Megan McCain of us came after you converted, after you have been demanding that you

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Minister Louis Farrakhan first, how have you been the last? The months have been for you and Bob a dull and common oppression Linda Sarsour, sir, it has not been an easy time, yes, well, first of all, let's put it in the proper context for two years and you know it because we have talked about it repeatedly. I've been under attack, so when just the issue of Louis Farrakhan we've been dealing with issues and this kind of mounting pressure for a number of reasons since the first day we arrived, there was pressure and it continues to be, and we knew it.

As the March approached there was going to be an increase in demand and an increase in the power grab because that is really what is happening, there is a power grab, there are people who are trying to remove the current leaders to to be able to take control of the organization and they are using whatever they need to be able to do it, you know, the group's tablet, I mean this media entity, they put this up, they published this story, a lot of people I've been talking about it, saying that from the beginning, you and

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were attacking the Jewish women and the group in some of the early meetings.

Your response to this massive story they did, which basically said that you and

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are absolutely anti-Semitic. So we walked into a room in the first meeting we've ever had. i was just meeting people i don't know you just show up how are you doing hello did you know that the jews controlled the slave trade that's what we supposedly did it didn't happen it just didn't happen it doesn't make sense that's not how we teach it you didn't know that you just It didn't happen, so that's the conclusion. I mean, I wouldn't even waste my time, I wouldn't even waste my time going into all the details about this, but it was.

This is not happening and again what people have not asked is who are these other people who are making these claims, where there are people who we asked to step down from leadership of the Women's March for different reasons and they started an organization competitor and then, suddenly. They come three years later with these accusations that we went into a first meeting telling them that the Jews that you know controlled everything and that you know and that we were the most anti-Semitic people in the world and the truth of the matter. What really happened is that the first piece was a legitimate question from the Jewish community regarding my association with the Nation of Islam.

There were people who had legitimate questions they wanted to understand and we were coloring that dialogue. This happened. Last February and Savior's Day, which we all know, is the highest holy day for the Nation of Islam, people who don't know what that relationship is. I work with the Nation of Islam on a number of issues, particularly gun violence, which has been one of them. issue that I have worked very closely with the nation and I mean, the bottom line is that I am a black person in America who is an activist and I have been here doing this work for over 20 years, so if you didn't meet the Nation of Islam while you were doing your job, you didn't know what it means to lack, to work well, and I work specifically with people who are among the most marginalized, you know, covering things that we've done in the past.

We work in prisons. we work on street corners my own son's father was murdered so I come from I'm not a famous activist I'm not a Twitter activist I'm not a TV activist I'm the real type I do the real work and when you do the real work there are issues complex and there are a lot of groups that you hang out with and you may or may not agree with all of their philosophies but the black experience is extremely complex and you know sometimes you work with a lot of different people so that's the relationship I have and you you know and I appreciate the Nation of Islam for their role in the black community because it's been an important period so just going back to what I think has been happening.

The thing is, there was an initial problem when I went to the Nation of Islam event. Minister Farrakhan made statements that have been very, very, very harsh and hurtful to people in the Jewish community and in the gay community, and there were questions that Jews had. and I was willing and people in the LGBTQ community had done it and I was willing to sit down and explain it and talk and work and then I think these people sat back and looked at it and said, well, let's see if this kills them and then when that didn't work, they tried a little, they know I'm a person who supports the people of Palestine, so they changed their focus on that and tried to see if that kills them and when none of that happened and I couldn't work the blame factor for association well enough for you to know, they couldn't say just because you were in the room that you were inherently anti-Semitic, the next thing was to lie and put it directly in your mouth so we could do it. stay really, so that's when they started piling up with these other athletes.

Have you talked about those? conversations in which I have said that I don't agree with this particular thing, you know his point of view in this particular area and there have been times where he has said that I don't agree with the organizing strategy that maybe Know that I am following you. We know that his position, particularly around voting, has been a point of contention in terms of what the Nation of Islam believes and what we believe it does not believe. Right to vote, they don't think voting is the answer. There are some people who vote, but.

It's not his overall strategy for black liberation, so the reason I'm asking if you've talked to him or questioned him about his statements that he just said is because Cornel West has been very vocal. about Farrakhan being a friend calling him brother but writing in books and speaking publicly how he has challenged Farrakhan and I say that because it's interesting when I hear people who talked about this who really have no idea about black people who don't really understand that , but yet Cornel West is still booked on TV shows all over the country, he teaches, he speaks all over the country and people haven't said how dare you associate with Farrakhan even though he has said "I love you." my brother, but we've had hours and hours and hours of vigorous battles over his anti-Jewish, anti-Lgbt comments mm-hmm as you went through this, for example, when you were in the hearing on Monday and Megan McCain kept asking him: denounce Farrakhan?

Do you think that what his critics want is to hear him say: I denounce Louis Farrakhan? Go ahead, several people have asked me to do that. They asked me to

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and denounce and I have said and will continue to say that I do not agree. My position to be very clear is that America has condemned and denounced black people for too long. I will NOT participate in using that type of language to describe anyone in my community and particularly someone who has been involved in saving the lives of young black men who I have to work with every day.

I go to prisons. I work with young people who have really committed some heinous acts. Things I don't I definitely don't agree, but I don't go out and condemn them or I can't go back in and work with them, the men who killed my son's father. I have never condemned or denounced them and what hurts me is that this is the case. It hurt me, we are absolutely angry as a family, but we have not condemned them because I believe in the work that I have been doing that both the person who is on the firing side of the gun and the person who is the victim deserve. the love and attention of people who claim to be fighters for black liberation, that's who I am, so they can't take that away from me because one thing that's one hundred percent certain is that I can't separate myself from the color of my skin, I can't separate myself. with Who I'm walking into the swampy space of women that's not who that's just not who I am and if intersectionality is going to represent all of us, then people have to be willing to understand that what's important is Who am I Louis Farrakhan Minister Farrakhan is He is not part of the Women's March, he is now, he has not been to any meetings, he has never spoken about any of our programs, he is not helping to write the political agenda that we will publish tomorrow, he is not involved in any way and, in fact, the infantilism of we tell you what to say and you must use her words, but still everyone fights for women to have agency over their bodies and their minds and the ability to speak for themselves and yet people are going to accept the words. of a man and turn them into something I'm supposed to die for on the cross.

I will not do it. I reject it. I don't agree with statements that Minister Farrakhan has made in several areas and that's okay because I don't agree with things that Roland Martin says and we know you and you don't really care, but you don't agree and I mean, and Not to take it lightly, not seriously, there are times when people have questioned what I say. I have to challenge others and you know in our community, but I also understand the sensitivities around calling out black men, calling out black people and the denunciation and condemnation that has happened to us for too long.

Talk about posting this tomorrow. The event will take place on Saturday. Are you Carmen Pérez Linda Sarsour Bobland? Do you have any intention of leaving the Women's March? This organization we are fulfilling our terms. It's our turn, but you have term limits under our statutes. How long are we going to sit still? We're doing our turn, they would love to take it and cut it up and have it everywhere. We are meeting our terms and we can't. We came here to do a job and if you look at the work as a whole. that the Women's March has produced, we have held protests around some of the most important moments in the last two years since this administration has been in power, we have been one of the main resistance groups and the most intersectional movement in the world in terms of Also making sure that marginalized people are in the room, in a kind of secret sauce of the conversation, we continue to make sure to mention Shaquiesha Clements, who was attacked by police officers at a Waffle House, so we will not allow that people talk. on any issue other than reproductive rights just keep in mind and not a single issue without looking at how it affects people who come from oppressed and marginalized communities and that is why there is a continuous attack again because you have to have very clear that there are people who have legitimate rights. questions and concerns and those people deserve the time, attention and affection of the Women's March because only through that can we truly move forward as a strong movement, but that is not all we are seeing happening here and anyone who believe that all This is just people asking questions that are wrong because Megan McCain has six questions at once and never stopped to let me answer any of them and in the end I don't even want to use the wrong word right. now, but the nerve of people to believe that because she did all that, isI was supposed to respond to her like she said, so Massa, can you tell me how to respond, that's not going to happen and if people can't understand the implications. from a white woman yelling at me and trying to harass me into saying what she says even if she wanted to say it she wouldn't have said it because of the way she was talking to us right question to get to the panel I'll start with CJ, go to Scott, he didn't do it, you know that It is a very complex issue, but it cannot be a problem, there is one for one side and one for the other, so today the media condemned the Republicans who met with the young gentleman who denies the Holocaust and who used to be a reporter for Breitbart and they came out and spoke eloquently about why they should not have met with this gentleman. but this gentleman wasn't talking about anything other than DNA and genetic codes, so now we're at this particular article for this woman's March and I think he shouldn't be holding a double standard.

I believe that at this particular time, those who are advertisers and those who believe in anti-Semitic views and the LBGT community should have the right to withdraw funding from the n-double-a-cp if they choose to participate then who has American Jews who co-founded n-double a-c-p those are my comments so you want to respond to that based on the fact that this summer your leadership has said some horrible things. I'm just asking you a question who said we said it, you heard it louder but what comments were made that you say were hateful and horrible Lindner the young Muslims are hurting Linda she has said through Twitter some things that have already dispersed us be in two states and about Israel, so what I'm seeing you say yes, you believe that because Linda Sarsour has said that there should be a two state solution and you call it, hey, no, but not just two states. solution but she has also advocated violence against Israel don't be the proof show me the appointment I'm going to I'll check and look but this is what I'm ready so let me do it you're saying don't go through them I've seen and read where Linda Sarsour has advocated violence against Israel, so I need to see proof of Tomika coming in.

So the bottom line is this is what happens, they start lying, it will never happen. Linda Sarsour probably said and I didn't. I know for a fact what tweet or whatever she is mentioning because I know she did not advocate violence against anyone. Linda is also one of the most beautiful women I have ever worked with and she does not advocate violence against anyone. what she said is that if you are killing a particular group of people, hmm, there may come a time when those people retaliate and she has said, let's figure out how to heal everyone so that there is no bloodshed, that's what she said , is not advocating violence. against anyone so that's just a lie and I'll only tell you the truth so if you make that claim show me the proof and I'll put it on the screen but I want to see the proof that Scott has to do I think your his presentation of today I couldn't have done better in front of a jury.

I mean, it was real and thoughtful and appropriate. I am always concerned when our white brothers and sisters ask us to condemn our leaders and denounce them when we do not demand that they do the same for their leaders like the Nazi Party or the white nationalist party, we have a president who will not and cannot do it comfortably without what I have read well, so we are not a monolithic people, blacks are not homogeneous and our political and economic thinking is complex and we have a complex problem just as you said, so you know why.

I guess for me the question is why is it not enough in your opinion, why is it enough to disagree with Louis Farrakhan or other black leaders who are working hard in the community at the grassroots level because of our complex issues as a community? ? Why is it not enough? Why do it? Why is it enough? In your opinion, that in your article is enough for them, well, I think it's because I think it's the litmus test that exists and has been in place for a long time to find ways to take down black leaders, ways to separate ourselves from one. another to create confusion and every time they feel like one of us is actually winning in terms of building a real sustainable movement, they start using these different tactics to try to discredit and you know, I don't know, that's the litmus test around to the Minister.

Farrakhan has been around for a long time, so I think that's one of the reasons I want to echo this great car. I want to thank you not only for your work but also for being brave enough to take this stand like you said then when Martin Luther King to meet with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and there you are sitting in his living room like I don't care mmm-hmm but that requires a lot of courage on the part of the young people who are particularly watching this and who will participate in Mars just. weekend, some of whom may be on the fence because propaganda, because social media and technology have disrupted everything said, as you say, you have Twitter activists and people who wouldn't pop a grape in a fruit salad they've never done nothing I can put Give them the courage to talk about what you would call false courage mmm-hmm so to the young people who see this, what would you say to them to help them resolve all of this confusion and overcome it for this black community?

And I say it like someone. who is mr. Farrakhan attended

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meetings and understands that the least of them are rejected by society as a reason they gravitate towards the Nation of Islam because they are not rejected, they talk about Mars, nice people, would you say, those young people who They are watching now and I have seen Him lay this out and they are much clearer, but they may still need a little more to understand what they need to do. I would tell them, first of all, to make sure that they are studying their history and that there has always been tension.

In movements there has always been confusion and in fact white supremacy is set up in a way that is supposed to create confusion so that people can't focus and unify, so what's happening now is there's a power grab. that seeks to take away their voice, these young people really need to know that they are the energy that is needed right now to keep this movement going. My job is to be here to facilitate a place for them to have a voice. It's not my place to be the hotheaded leader that everyone will love because I'm definitely Floyd.

I'm going to make mistakes. I'm certainly not going to do everything right, but this movement is about all of us. the young people who are looking at me to know that they are showing up, not for Tamika Mallory, not for Linda Sarsour, not for any of those things, you are showing up for yourself, you are showing up because your parents may be part of those who are not functioning in right now in this government shutdown, you're showing up because tomorrow we're releasing a political agenda that deals with gun violence that deals with immigration policy that addresses issues of health care and reproductive justice, excuse me, you're showing up In your name, you're going to the moving, you go to movement spaces to get more courage, more resources and information to go out and be a stronger movement, no and be a stronger leader in your local community, but not to be there just because you as a person like that That's what I would say