H3 Podcast #43 - Vsauce

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Today's guest is a daring guy. A daring guy, if you will. We all know him and we all love him. This is Michael and you recently ascended from scientist to living meme status. I would say that I think Vsauce memes are in high demand when it comes to the meme economy. He has just appeared in the second season of the red YouTube series. Mindfield was just released and I had a great time watching it. And he has one of the best channels on YouTube Vsauce. It is a great honor and excitement to once again introduce the program to Michael.

Thank you for being here, yes, after being here to start the construction of this study. Now I'm back. It's, it's cool, I think you're our first guest in this studio, it's a lot that your first friend was PewDiePie, right, and that was like in a warehouse. True, I had like an Airbnb in Los Angeles, I was filming scary PewDiePie. season 2? Yeah, I don't know if yeah, I think it was season 2. Wow, we all know, we all know how a little season ended. Yes, one of my favorites. By the way, I was in that. Did you know that?

Oh really. How you were in a minefield where it seemed like it didn't work. Yeah, and it's kind of like thanks for trying. It was actually a lot worse than being an entire episode where I co-starred with HeLa in an entire episode. Oh really. It was quite a damn thing. They electrocuted me, brother. Really, yes, technically. For those science geeks who see electrocuted means dead. If you didn't die, you weren't electrocuted. I'm so shocked that I'm sure there's some other word, but yeah, electrocuted. Search it. You have the power. I believe you, I believe you. I just said "that surprises me." I'm not saying I know every word.

Electrocuted electrifying knowledge. Can I put my mouth right on the microphone? It feels pretty good. Yes, I prefer. Basically, the more the better it sounds. How did this happen? Many famous mouths have been right next to these. That's true. There is a really passionate and tender kiss. Have you ever seen me kiss? I'm suddenly jealous of your wife. You should be. Yes, there are all types of hepatitis. It's a Petri dish. They are basically new new forms of STDs being transmitted to your tongue right now. I'm glad to be part of history. Greetings for that. More Brad Berry, more Brad Berry, yes.

That's a pair of lips you might not like. This same microphone? Yes, you keep this microphone here and you use the same microphones always. Yeah, well, we... we've changed. That? Well, I've been there before and here. This is my microphone. I don't know what Hila has been doing too. Ethan doesn't move. Fuck no... I don't let anyone use this microphone. Where was moo? He was there. However, we whitewashed him when he was done. Thank you. I bleached it like halfway through the show. He was like protecting me from myself. Yeah, I thought, sorry buddy, how has the show changed?

I mean, the last time you were here we had a tape that was kind of an original setup, right? Yeah, I think he was on that couch. Yes. Which was very comfortable now? I feel a little tall with this chair up high, but I'm afraid to move it because then Michael will have to move, it'll just be Mike for everyone. Yes, the micah Yes, the microphone, but what if I don't move it well? What happens if I go too low? I just want to start fishing. You can really handle this thing. Well. Good. How are you?

How have you been? I mean, how the hell is life since we last talked to you? It's great. You know it's been fantastic I just got back from the Brain Candy fall tour And that's, you know, it's hard work, you know that every day. You have a show right six days a week, and they have a day off. We perform in Kansas. The city, my hometown, thanked some teachers who made a difference in my life when they were in the audience and I had to invite my grandmother to come. You know, it really couldn't be too far from Kansas City having the show there.

It was really cool, that's cool. You do it six times. So how long do these tours last? Because you say you do it six times a week, once a day, six times a week. So how long is that duration? It could be four weeks like this in the fall, but in the spring we did nine. Holy, without rest. I mean like? Level with me Michael, how horrible is it? Yeah? It's not because this is what Adam Savage has been traveling and touring for years. He knows how to make it enjoyable, so we have the right star coaches.

We have rooms in the back of these buses. We drive through the night and you wake up whenever you want because you don't have to worry about the show until 6:00 pm. m. So you have one day to stay in bed and go to the locker room. I could work a lot. I can still make my usual calls and I can visit the cities. I'm far from home I'm far from my cats Millay from my wife. I'm outside the Vsauce office. That's a bummer, but meeting people in person is really important. You know you can watch a YouTube video and interact with me that way, but when you meet in person or when you're up all night and just come to a live show, it's a bigger part of your life.

I think you know you remember it longer. You've been there to show it. Yes, we really are in Costa Mesa, right there in Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara. That's how it is. Yes, that's how I remember it. It's a total marvel. It's a total rock, kids really love the damn balls. The balls, well, they're free, yes, there are free balls. I mean, guys, free balls, they're really selling tickets to bring candy. But we, we should really sell ourselves free balls, free balls, it comes in handy. They're not free Free, they're a lot of balls and then below in parentheses sweet brain sweet brain yes paper balls balls yes stay for the candy Yes, I found that to be true too.

I mean, when you meet a fan you write that personal connection. or realizing that these people like real people who watch your oh man and the best thing is, especially because I'm on tour with Adam Savage, a lot of creators come to the shows, people who have a craft, people who They love to do things and they do things to us. They make wire sculptures for us, one guy made these muppet-like Adam puppets, and I, which are just phenomenal, I mean, it's not like I tried it, it's like I'm a professional here normally. This probably would have cost thousands of dollars.

And I just did it. because I love making puppets and now I have a puppet of mine which So, are you collecting treasures? You collect treasures, that's powerful. Yes. How I get nervous before shows. I mean, this is a serious production and there are a lot of people in the audience. Create these, you know? It's everything they come out tonight. They go out. They look at you. I mean, you've done a lot already, but walk me through the process of preparing for it and now, after doing it for so long, does it still get on your nerves?

How is? No, the nerves. Don't affect me now. They did it on that first show because I had never done this. I have no idea what the show was going to be like. We did some rehearsals without anyone in the audience. But luckily you already know Adam. And I'm pretty good at improving. Something goes wrong. If someone needs to change, we can simply do it. that on the spot And you start to get very familiar with it And then I have experience in live performances since you know high school Giving informative speeches and that kind of thing in forensic science and debate And then I get butterflies I feel comfortable if something goes wrong, I can fix it Yeah, I feel like I'd be shitting my pants every damn night We thought we'd toyed with the idea of ​​doing a live tour And I just think I'd have a breakdown okay.

It's too much stress. You could do it, but not forever. You know I'd get over it forever, not forever. No, you would learn that every night would be the worst night of my life. Sorry, you know I don't agree, okay? Should I do it. I like your encouragement, yes, you will be super nervous the first, the second, the third, but then you will start to be like a man. I can't wait for this. I can't wait so this is something fun for you. Now. You go on stage, you do your thing, you look forward to it.

It is fun. I mean, it's the same show every night, but it's not really because there's no script, so we're always tweaking things before the show starts and I'll tell you, you know. I think that joke would work better if we did this or I think we should change the order or I think we should explain that part and then I'll explain this part to you, and then you might think you don't understand and then I'll explain it to you. pretend to understand It's always a lot of fun and it's new for every audience, whether they've seen the show or I'm on it, but every night it's a new city, and there are new people who like to hear and see these things for the first time .

You once said that you are both very good at improvising and that when something goes wrong, you feel comfortable picking up the pieces. What is the most dramatic thing that has gone wrong for you on stage? I fall on my face a lot on stage. It is not a face plant. There was one night. It was in Canada. I think it was in London, Ontario, where we didn't have the right party fog juice. Normally we used propylene glycol, I think, and instead we had this oil-based stuff, which meant a film of oil would form on everything on stage, even before me.

Yeah, so you know I danced in the show like you've seen it, yeah, but it wasn't even during the dance. I was just walking around carrying this bottle of acetone and the boom hit the ground. It was so bad like I needed to discuss it during QC and in the middle of the show because the audience was saying it was okay, and also maybe that had to have been written and planned because there was no way the show would have continued, that's not it. not even the worst, even if it is the worst. you ate shit pretty hard, it sounds Yes, yes, and I'm a very nervous person, so when I fall.

Not only do I like the kind of, you know, falling, I go because I feel like that will be more entertaining or everyone thinks I'm really hurt, another one I fell and even though this was the same, the same spectacle with the oily floor. I fall and I feel as I fall I think you know what I can save this if I start breakdancing Maybe that's what I wanted to do right, but there was a stagehand in the way And I roll towards him because of course the floors covered in oil, I can't breakdance, I can't breakdance anyway, but I don't like friction with the ground either, so I just slide into him and Killer shows that I'm sure we couldn't get the oil out of him.

So was it a good favorite t-shirt? I'm sure yours was a very good shirt for the stage. That's from London, Ontario, you guys were the last ones I haven't seen, but I'm sure Michael are like Dan and Han, can you look up if there's Michael eating shit on stage? Oh Lord? No, there are some clips like Dancing and Don't Fall out there. Oh Lord. I hope it's up there. I mean, it sounds like a great show if I'm honest. Yes, they were very lucky. Yes, they are very lucky people. Again, what is my next question for you?

I am fascinated by people who do many things. Thank you. Affable. Thanks, Dan. I can not go. I can't take a break. People make fun of me because I say fascinating. I wonder how they are fascinating and every time I say fascinating, Dan hits the soundboard to mock me. Fascinating. Fascinating. m I can't even say it. Can I get passes? Should I get some? The F word, the F word, but the guest won't know what I'm talking about, dance, err. Michael is just confused right now. I have no idea what's going on. Come on, I'm fascinated Give me a breakdown give me a fucking pass on this one for showman or productive professionals Who handle so many things in their lives because I always find myself like Overloaded and I get nervous and lose focus when you have too much shit Are you in the minefield Vsauce Brain Candy from the Curiosity box?

How do you manage all these things at once and stay sane and focused? Don't do it and I'll go crazy. No. I think it is areal, if you're so eager to embark there and daily, um, no I don't know, but I know there's a bonus clip where we talked to a woman who took psilocybin as part of this. Oh, that's like mushrooms, yeah, she took a pill through a study at New York University and worked with these researchers for months. And they made a pill just for her based on her weight based on her past. They knew what dose to give her and I think she felt incredibly safe.

She wasn't in the middle of this new space. Therapies to face death. Yes, she heard death. Yeah, because she had been diagnosed with cancer and facing her own mortality is obviously terrifying, but they were experimenting with psychedelics. Can it help you deal with those mm-hmm feelings and her? Was it a phenomenal experience for her? Does she tell a story? Seeing a table with all her family and her friends, but also death is on the table mm-hmm and she realized that yes, deaths invited, of course hmm and since then, this happened years ago since then . She felt so much better, you know, she felt healthier and she just took that pill.

It's not just a dose, ah. That's amazing, I love it. I think psychedelics and drugs like that really have a lot of value to our society. It's a shame that they are stigmatized. And I think the stigma itself is what contributes to a lot of the negative feelings you have when you take it. I also believe it. Yeah, because you start to feel like, oh my God, you're doing something wrong. Am I doing something wrong, yes, I actually had this thought that made me laugh during that second ceremony where I thought: You know what? When the shaman lights the candle and says it's over, first of all, he is very comforting because he knows how long.

These experiences last as long as he lights that candle, it is proof to me that the effects are not just going to wear off from now on. I mean, it takes a long time, but when you're falling, you start to regain control anyway. I'm thinking, you know, once the candle is lit and, like the teams did, the first thing I'm going to say is I can't believe I'm going to have to tell my mom. I did this and it was such a funny thing that I didn't care that it was obscene because it just felt like a joke when the experience was really traumatic and moving, but I forgot what I was about to say, you were talking about stigma, how does that do that? oh yeah, I think if I were part of the Shipibo indigenous tribe, where medicine is prescribed all the time, I wouldn't have felt the same way.

Am I a bad Ryerson? Am? I mean, this is illegal in the country I live in and I should feel bad for doing this. This is a behavior that only bad people do well and you have that social baggage with you. Yes, it's interesting. You know, I heard about a study where doctors are starting to use MDMA to treat PTSD, so they give you a dose of MDMA which is ecstasy in pure form and it calms you down, and I guess it does make you feel . You feel more comfortable talking and you feel more comfortable with the emotions that you're dealing with and all these drugs, I think it's a shame.

I really think this war on drugs is a shame. What you do... I really think that people Yes, in general I think that people don't abuse drugs unless there's something else going on, like people don't suddenly become addicted to drugs. I think all drugs should be legal and people should decide. what they want to do And if there is education and support to help people navigate those waters, we would be a better, healthier society in the word drugs What does it mean because it sounds like so many gangs? everything from heroin to DMT to tylenol to caffeine to tylenol, so we haven't done ourselves or innovation and knowledge any favors by saying ooh, you're going to study psychedelics, we really just want to fund that if you're going to study the bad side of them, right, and only recently has it started to separate, and now we have this renaissance of psychedelic research.

Imperial College London has this whole psychedelic research group. And that's where Robin was from, who came with us and that's why we are here. Starting to be able to understand more about the mind because you can't have a complete theory of the mind if you avoid or ignore something it is absolutely capable of. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, yeah, we've obviously already tried some, by the way. We're talking about it and it's strange to see what your mind is capable of. So I was embarrassed to do it daily or weekly or not, I mean, we don't do anything now, but we've tried.

It is the experience of trying something that is really interesting simply to learn with your own body. People have all these fears, like you want to take acid once and lose your mind. I knew a guy who took acid and jumped off a whore. ceiling or he never came back from the trip, that's what these are. I swear to God? These are all just old wives' tales that are designed to scare you. I don't think that will really happen. Yes, when I was a child very, very, very rarely, right. Well, two things, one when I was a child.

I read the story about the guy who took LSD, thought it was an orange, and locked himself in a closet because he was afraid he was going to get kicked out and there's nothing that you think, oh my gosh, how scary and to be fair, this is a important decision. It's not like hey you know what? What you should do is invest in gold, right? No, you really should. I don't think anyone should. I don't have any advice or I'm not going to recommend to anyone what they do, it's their choice or maybe the medical professional's choice should do it, but the fact that You know, HeLa, you are like that, as you can see, maybe we have done something that Cajun is that we have to have, yeah, I feel bad for even talking about it because some people will be like, oh, you guys are promoting.

Oh yeah, I don't support it. I do not recommend it. I think you think you shouldn't be able to talk about it. Right, I think, like you said, it's a big decision to make for yourself. And I don't think it's necessary to cage him. by law or stigma, I think there should be an open dialogue, there should be conversation and, for example, go to places like places in Europe where drugs are legal and they will test you for purity so that you don't take something horrible and die well Yes, I can always know where some shady things are that can affect me is that drug, those bad and shady people will own the market, it will not be regulated and there will be nothing, you will not feel that there is someone.

There is someone who can help you or advise you through the experience, something that I found fascinating. Was it that when I spoke with Robin I hit the roof with the fascinating fascinating lair? I asked Robin, head of the psychedelics research group at Imperial College London. What is your experience with psychics? Has she done it? Hee hee, sorry Robin Robin, Robin likes Batman and Robin is doing well. I'm not talking about that. My grandmother could see that they are so evasive, and I'm like, is it me? I was going to say fascinating like this if you see it's fucked up.

Yes. That's like drugs. It's the f-word, I have all the stigma around it, they are a great example of stigma. That's your job: researching psychedelics, and you can't say you've ever experienced them, which other scientists do. Oh mom, I study gorillas. Oh, have you ever seen any? Oh no, yeah? You would never look at a gorilla, would you? I talk to people who have looked at them. Yes, or I imagined an astronomer saying: yes, I have been studying the stars and the movements of the planets. I've never looked up Yeah, don't judge me if I don't look up.

I've talked to other people who have and until we break that barrier I think we're really missing out on a huge part of the human mind. It's such a beautiful paradox what I think of this guy. I love it even on a personal level. He says no, no, no, I am not talking about them. Yes, anyway, he listens. Let's go for a break. Quickly, thanks to our sponsors and we will be back with his son. Saucy saucy Vsauce Thanks to Omaha Steaks for sponsoring this episode of the h3

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Consider supporting us with Lyft and, if you want, some meetings. Please consider supporting us error free. Thanks so much for looking. Let's go backare in prison right now. For false confession. It is the second most common reason people are falsely convicted of crimes. Number one is eyewitness testimony. That's a completely different one. That's a fantasy, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the justice system really surprised me sometimes and every time you hear I was watching another one of these real detectives. Oh, there's a whole documentary on Netflix about it, and it's I Had to Turn It Off. I watched an episode and thought, man, this ended terribly.

Yeah, like there's no just reason, it just ended and now he's in prison, and he's been there for 20 years. It's like a wall. Okay, yeah, so I don't remember the name of that documentary. But I recommend it because it has several episodes and you discover it. Because you see that the reasons why all these different people falsely confessed are completely different in some ways. cases It's just that you know the guy just drank a lot and often passed out and didn't remember what he had done and just convinced himself that he must have done it in other cases.

Okay, how can a lie detector be wrong? Like I'm shopping with my friend, but the lie detector says I killed my daughter. So, by the way, the confession tapes are what's called an infection tape that you have to see, I don't know if. We haven't even introduced this thing we're talking about, but you did an episode about false confessions right and the way you got that girl to confess, it's like you guys very intentionally and perfectly manipulated her, but watching it happen just makes you realize. Realize how fucking Howie Howie you can have. because it's always easy to think: Why would they confess if I didn't do something?

She wouldn't confess exactly the right thing, you weren't, of course, it was assumed that the person might be a little crazy. Or maybe they committed the crime, how could a healthy person confess and? It's manipulation. Yes, this is not about coercion in the sense of force and meanness. Being the bad cop, there was no bad cop, there were no bad cops. It was this director that they had never met and he could show up at any moment. I'm the good cop and for half the day I didn't get false confessions, I couldn't make it work. So Melissa, who was the expert, I said.

Could you do the next participant? It's pretty funny that he ended up being someone who was a huge

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wasn't interrogated by me. I probably should have canceled it for that participant, but it was just being nice anyway. It was about being friends with the person. You're just showing them that if you confess, that's honestly for the best because you might not know what could happen. See if you confess it's like a piece. I get it, it's just that it's best for you in me. opinion as someone who is your friend and that of the people? and you prevented it when you made this girl sign this document, you wrote a document saying that I cheated on the exam and you just signed and dated it and I'm in my mind and replaying in my head the stories that I've heard. from people who just signed that document so easily and the next thing they know the police come in handcuffed and they never come out of prison again in their entire lives.

Yeah, and what caught my attention about what you did too, how much practice did it take? Yeah, don't you think you don't? Accidentally get someone to falsely confess you have to be an expert you have to be a professional you have to be trained you have to know exactly how to manipulate people and that's why it really made me hate those pigs, you know? But it made me feel that this is really it. It frustrated me a lot to think that there are people who use these techniques for nefarious processes. Yes. Melissa is very, she is very.

Which is the word? It's very conscious, you have to know exactly what you're doing to do it. Yes, you do, and once again, it's hard to know what people's intentions are. On the other hand, they are not bad. It's like I'm convinced you did it, yeah. It's my job now to get a confession, and it doesn't matter how I get it. It does not mind if I do. It is a pity. That's it, that means there is something screwed up in our justice system where there is no more emphasis on the truth, yes there is more emphasis on Buchan Bucknam.

Yes, I think what we need is a better way to analyze whether someone is telling the truth and cooperating or not. Before the decision is made that they are guilty, it's time to get that confession because once you have a confession in court it looks pretty bad. Yeah, no matter what the evidence says, if you've confessed to the crime of murder and rape, it's kind of a closed case. Yeah, it's done. So, you know? I don't know all the details of the legal system, obviously, I was just interested in the psychology of how to get someone to manipulate someone.

Are they just saying? You know I'd rather cooperate and do what you say and then defend what? I really did and the question is how long did it take you to get that girl to falsely confess? So it took maybe 25 minutes because they spent with her cousin Moisés, the name Brandon Brandon, yeah, I think they spent like 12 hours with him at this point, of course, is that the difference? He's being questioned about a very serious crime, whether you exchange information or not, and it also had its ups and downs. That means exactly now. We didn't include another girl who I got a false confession from and it was necessary.

I don't know the exact number, but it took about nine minutes. Wow, she was only 19 years old. And the power dynamic was incredibly skewed. And me when we interrogate her. She was like literally saying "well, I confessed because you had all the power", "what was she going to die for?", and she made you angry. Bye, apparently cheating. Hmm, she wasn't going to say no to your request that she sign a data form and just did I see. She was 19, which means her confession is a confession signed by an adult, right? But because she was a small person, and she just said, why didn't you include that one?

It's about time again, and that's the biggest kind of annoyance she generated. Looks like you only got it once Yeah, yeah, so I want to use extra clips to tell more of these stories. But one thing we've noticed in the second season is that the episodes contain as much stuff as we should have. false confessions as an episode, but instead we put a lot of things in there, we had the P300 brain scan, we had midazolam, so we couldn't say it right now. We'll spend 40 minutes on the interrogation and then, after all that, I'll change the subject again.

I think it's a good idea, and you have more content you can get for all those who deserve Yes, their own episode. Yes, exactly, so now I think you know how to move forward. I'd like to focus on more seasons ahead Uh well I don't know, I hope it's okay, minefield of support for them. And you know, I get that it costs money, but YouTube bread really helps creators like me and creating shows like a minefield. So you know, I really want YouTube to see that this is a good bet. Educational content is popular. It has to be one of the most popular YouTubes.

It's just when I look at it and my opinions are only good if I'm honest. I mean, don't throw salt. Everyone has different tastes and I'm excited to see what you know YouTube Red comes out with next and what kind of decisions they make about their original show. I don't know, I don't understand a strategy. I don't understand what you're reading, but whatever it is, it's a completely different damn camera. It's so complicated that I have to mate, you know what? But. I don't need another episode of me complaining about you. There are already like 20 of those, but I'm curious.

What am I like? I actually want to ask you something else about what you did with the brain scan. Yeah, where would they know what you stole? I'm very I don't like that shit, yeah, and I don't like that shit the same way I don't like lie detectors. It's all a bunch of crap, and I hate it. I hate those machines And I hate people who think brilliantly can use it to tell the truth, although one was disturbing. Are you very district? How do you fit in? Do you think that would be accurate? maybe you can describe what it was so people know what we're talking about, so a typical lie detector looks at skin conductivity and things like that and blood pressure, whatever you want to say.

It's pseudoscience alone. It's not very trustworthy, yeah, yeah, and it's more about making the person nervous enough that they feel like they can't hide things. But in reality what happens is that people who have nothing to hide feel that they are not being believed and begin to not believe themselves. But we are, if you are a real psychopath, you can just fuck off. If you believe it, yes, George Costanza season 7 episode 2 exactly, however, the p300 doesn't fall into those problems, does it? observe how your brain responds electrically to various stimuli and there is a response called p300 which has to do with novelty, so if something is new to you you will indeed see it, but if you have seen something before, oh, that's what it measures. .

That's what he does. I thought I was measuring familiarity and not novelty. Verka, they are related. You know, it's kind of like look if you didn't really commit this crime and you've never been to the crime scene. You would never have seen this door and you have no control over how your brain would react to that image. Don't you have voluntary control over yourself? Recognize something right, you can't show me a picture of my mom and ask me to leave, no I'm not going to flip the recognition switch, it happens, but it seems like there could be room for mistakes to happen with something like that.

Well, people have tried well. you know, and that's what I tried in the episode. I tried to like it every time an image appeared. I tried to pretend there was something incredible. I was just brief about it and it didn't make any difference because, again, this isn't it. It's simple if there is an intermediate algorithm that knows how to correct different strategies. So it is not accepted. There is an algorithm, look at that. That's where I'm out. I don't care, I don't care, but if the brain really sends a signal, I would buy it, but if they have a man-made algorithm that reduces it, I sure don't buy right because then you wonder what's in the middle ?

Well, algorithms are fallible. Human work is fallible if my brain triggers a signal every time I see something I recognize. That's compelling, but if it's these guys, do you know? I don't know how they can do a you know what? You're saying I mean what their algorithm is trying to do is read that recognition signal better and get rid of the noise or other things that you might be trying to do with a normal lie detector if you know how to secure your budget, I'm They ask a question in your blog exactly, but with this, their computers are watching every measurement and are able to detect when you're trying.

So what do you think is this a real lie detector that they have developed? ? I believe it is the most reliable truth detector there is. That is terrifying and that is terrifying and that is why no court will accept it. That's not ethical. In my opinion, exactly, Craig Stark, actually, who was in the video game episode that he had. I don't know if I can say that he's been involved in this guy. of discussions like a prosecutor's office could force someone to undergo an fMRI or any type of lie detector brain scan and there are two issues, one is that if it's really good, maybe it's bad because maybe we should be allow privacy. in our own minds, yes, secondly, if it is even if there is a possibility that it is unreliable, that it could have an incorrect result, a jury is easily influenced, well, I'm wearing a lab coat and this exhausted a million dollars and said yes. the crime.

What are you going to do? Are you going to believe in science? Yes, even if it might actually be 50/50 I? Yes, I don't like them. Do you need privacy in your own mind? We can't have this all-powerful machine that knows when you're lying. The social implications of that are terrible. It's like a dystopian future. Yes, and again. There is a possibility that it is wrong. You know there is always a chance that something will turn out right. What if there is a door that I? I don't necessarily know, but maybe I passed by that place. Oh yeah, exactly at some point in my life it reminds me of something Oh, it reminds me of this machine, it reminds me of that damn Tom Tom Cruise movie by Steven Spielberg Just don't be in the future You got it Minority Report Mike that's the Minority Report Yes, so we have to be very careful, and I feel that yes, we are going to have more and more discussions about this as the technology improves and, interestingly, I think that yes, we may have to start saying that some methods of learning some methods of knowledge is prohibited.

I did an episode about It's Really Fair in Love and War and I looked at the Geneva Conventions. I looked at things like um you know? Not all countries have this type of law, but in the US you cannot force your spouse to testify against you because in America. There is a feeling that we do have to ruin a marriage to know the truth. We shouldn't know the truth.Because marriage, do you know what is more important? And there are a lot of religious connotations there, like marriage is under God's umbrella and we determine whether you embellish it.

You embezzled these funds. That's our concern, and if we can't prove you did it without ruining your marriage, then you're free. Yes, and not all countries do that, but there is something very philosophically powerful about the notion that if we can't, we won't go after your family to find out what you did. It's the same with parents, right? Some states have laws where parents have to cooperate or not, if their child, for example, is suspected of murder. Then, in some states, parents don't have to cooperate. Yes, the police. I think it's great. I think there have to be some more important things or not even that, but there have to be some.

There have to be some limits, well, and that doesn't mean there's no way to find the truth. like looking for evidence elsewhere, but I think there are other protections about privacy with your attorneys with the clergy. Do you know what I say in this religious context to a priest in a confession? I should be free to have that relationship. and not holding things back and keeping them to myself because they could be used against me, right? So where are we mm-hmm? It was worth it. What was it like working with YouTube executives because you had expressed?

You know you preferred Vsauce, so let's shit on YouTube a little here. No, I'm joking, but what was it like? Have someone else over your head. I mean II Latoya the idea of ​​having a show, yes, and I think I underestimate it, how? Annoying or horrible or that would be to have someone suddenly, you've had creative control your whole life and you have a guy over your head telling you so. Good. You can't, you can't do it, yeah. We are all so spoiled by the fact that we can make any kind of contract you want as long as we don't break the laws.

True, that's how it is sometimes. It means it's worse. because you should have followed someone else's advice on other occasions. It just means that what you are doing is more. I truly believe that in this season YouTube, the production company, myself and the entire team got much closer to understanding what scientific community communication can be and how to know how to make the right program. I think that despite all the disagreements, I will have YouTube saying yes. That's boring, and then I think I personally think I'm too valuable in that we have to put in more data, more explanations, more just me talking about what I think than when you find the right balance. can reach more people that would drive me crazy some idiot telling me it's boring Feel like you're being like Mr.

Right Never, but as offensive true as good. Shit. It's not boring? It's my program. Nobody ever said anything was boring. It's like, well, more like, here's my concern about this, right, and then it gives me the opportunity to externalize why I think it's important and that's valuable because when it's just in your own head, you don't always know what. Your instincts tell you or how to vocalize them, but when you're forced to sit in front of someone and say, Here's why I think you know we should release the false confession without modifications. Yes, but if you don't edit it, there will be a lot of boring things.

I'm like okay, but I don't do it for the views. I'm doing it to see a portion of a human zoo or look, you know, and by thinking that and by defending it, you're defending yourself. Yes, I'm going to be right. You're a real glass half full guy, aren't you? There you have it. Yes all ok? We reached our second break. We have tons more sauce, v/o. We will answer some questions. Yes, we accept some questions, guys. Call us. The number appears, it was the number. I read it to you, his revenge. Eight one eight two one four eight five oh four give us a call if you have any questions for your Vsauce boy, we'll be right back after this.

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There, I'm sure they were lined up. Yes, they were. I mean, I was. I would only feel safe doing it that way like you've seen other people who have done this. You have people there who know. What is going to happen? And you have an immediate off switch from what I've seen, it's like you're holding a big metal bar. Oh, if you let go and it hits the ground. It sounds loud, and they immediately unsettle you. I know there was a conservative reporter who said, "I'm going to be waterboarded." immediately and it's like that's torture. There is no doubt about it right away.

Yeah, so it's different than being physically hurt, you know, splinters in your nails because you can become numb to that kind of pain like your body releases. Whatever it is, hormones or chemicals that allow you to feel that the next one hurts less. the next one hurts less But when it comes to high levels of CO2 in the blood There is no mechanism to adapt, as if it were not so bad. It's bad all the time, and it's much more psychologically damaging. It is not physically dangerous unless you are administering it. It's poor as I understand it It's like it shouldn't I don't think you won't die, yeah.

You don't really have any marks and unless the restraints were too tight and that's what makes it so dire, you just sit there. like you're drowning right, you feel like you're about to die because you don't have, you have too much co2 in your blood, you're not getting enough oxygen, you can't, why do I want to say that? How does that work by just pouring water on your face? Well, your face is completely covered with this cloth, and you're like you can't take in air and then we have this water reflection because we've evolved to know that we're not aquatic creatures and then you panic. reflection of that I can't breathe this I can't live like this That's very different from being whipped or hit repeatedly It's a different kind of torture like pure panic yes But then they give it to you long enough to let you breathe How does it work that can you continue?

Because clearly you can keep breathing because you don't die. Yes. You know that you are only unable to breathe for a few seconds. But it doesn't take long until that instinct to panic kicks in and you realize it. Not only am I not breathing, but I'm in the water, there's water around me and it's in my mouth and um, well, you just need a couple of seconds and that panic happens, and you can't do it anymore. Yeah, so what? It happened with the executives. Oh, they just thought it was too dangerous and new, and the scary thing about waterboarding is how easy it is to do.

Not good, first of all, you have to get permission from the FBI to handle it. C4 It's like no, you only have water and a little oregano? In that. Yes, are you a bad personreal fiction. It is ethical. You know, it's like wait a second if we can't be sure that these eyes are not conscious, then yes, it's wrong to put them in a box, but then you have to start asking well, what is it like? Even to be a cockroach? well, they are fantastic if it were an AI. We'd say it's cool, this thing finds food.

Yes, yes, it could survive all kinds of things, so shouldn't we even kill cockroaches if they have any semblance? Goals for the future or Plans for then. It's a tragedy when they died. One of the scariest things I heard on that podcast that I found very inspiring is that we created AI. We can never really know if there is true consciousness instead of AI, right, yeah, I can't know if you are conscious. You could be a philosophical sign. I think I really love it, that's true, and that's why I love singing. I believe, therefore I am.

Yes. Because it's like you know something exists by the very nature of yourself, thinking, yes, acting, so let's create. the super intelligent AI that can reproduce it, can obtain resources, can build it, can colonize it. Creative and can see things reactive as if they were. It's exactly Faylene's thing, she has families, she colonizes other planets, but we never know if she's conscious. And this guy posed this question: What if it was really just ten boxes, yeah? And they don't really know or care. We are alive and the universe ends up populated by essentially dead matter. Basically, like a really big virus.

Yes, we should not hate viruses. They may have a conscience, but they just don't. Yes, but by some accounts, what viruses are dead, right? They're not alive, that's what they say, yeah, that's when you get like that. What is alive because a virus can replicate? But I'm right on that limit. I think most people would say they're not alive. That's why the virus is so fucking crazy. At this moment it just happens as if gravity is injected. You know what it needs to reproduce only by chemical reaction, only by mechanics and physics. Not deciding or knowing that the virus is all, so it's a big trip.

It's like the perfect antithesis of conscious life. And I think the analogy of that and these tin robots colonizing space is a perfect example of this unstoppable man-made virus that is just an empty universe and where we perish, yeah, for whatever reason, and these fucking empty ones. Robots simply populate the universe. But are they empty? You know the strange entity and the only way we can know is to ask them. And if they report no, I am aware that I am. You have to speak up just like I did. To take your boys' word for it when you tell me that you feel things and that you are aware and that you are aware of your existence.

You could be lying, you could just be, you know, you could be a brain in a bat. They send all of us to ten boxes. Yeah, you know Bob, and there's some shit going on with the viruses that are being used now designed to treat cancers, right? Yes. This is what's new: They are engineering viruses to attack certain cancer cells and now it turns out that the viruses that I have been killing and devastating living creatures all this time could end up being the answer to all these horrible diseases. Yes, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and I mean they give us a great vessel to look at.

They already have the mechanism to spread and survive certain traumas, you know, but we do have them on our side. But I wonder what the definition of a virus is because when you really look at some of the simpler viruses, it's like these. two proteins when they touch the molecular bonds cause a folding that releases the DNA or the RNA or whatever, and it is like if you drip and drop a ball, it falls to the ground. Him. It is simply something that happens due to natural laws. Not just any kind of biology or life. Yes, there is no There is nothing like biology, the rule is like reproduction, but viruses have that desire to reproduce.

No? Oh, I don't know if it's a wish or something. You know, yeah, it happens, it just happens in the same way that something that goes up comes down just happens It's not like what goes up says I, I I We'll have a better existence and we'll be able to reproduce if we fall It just falls and then some things follow. laws of the universe and they make more of themselves And we are, we are related to them, we come from them. Okay, let's tone it down a little. Um, I have some, I have. I want to end with some really important things.

I want to tone it down. Let's go back to earth a little. How does it feel to transcend from a scientific channel to become a living self as I told you? Previously, these salsa memes have a very high demand, the meme economy shows that Vsauce memes are taking a very strong rebound. How do you feel about having been promoted? Do you follow average economics? Yes, in a big way? Yeah? Yeah, I love that kind of analytical approach because it means that the psychology really is like at what point is it going to be a joke? Be lame, good.

It's my currency, of course, it's like you know you have a lot invested. Yeah, economics Yeah, yeah, and I love that kind of idea of ​​what I want to do in an episode about the psychology of lameness when something goes Cringy, and I throw II on old news, because we live in such a fast-paced situation. In the fast-paced world of information we now have, we have many more examples of that than we did decades ago. But no, I've never seen any memes of mine that give me an incredible break. Do you have any jokes that you don't talk about?

Yes indeed? No, I am a well-known provider of saliva knowledge. I didn't choose that job, but that's why I demand it. It's something that I'm, you know, a favor or a dant. Get plug, link me to some Vsauce memes. Let's do it and reveal it right now. The thing about memes, of course, is that at one point I loved being here. This is me asking you a question, okay? Do you like it? Respond to memes others have created about you, or have you ever been afraid that you might like them if you acknowledge them? It loses its power.

Oh yeah Well, first of all Yes, you like it, I feel like I definitely understand what you mean because once you recognize it, then the magic is lost, because it should belong to everyone, but you're right, you don't want to. To join in on the joke exactly, you're right, yeah? No, I understand what you mean, yes, but I think this way we can review your memes. It's fair, it doesn't kill him. Mmm-hmm meme review. It doesn't kill him because I'm the one who pushes him. Yes, this is Aaron, the driver. Look, I'm in the driver's seat.

You're not like, let's look at these great memes of mine that would kill. These great Vsauce memes might see this. Yes, exactly because you can accept the meme, sometimes you can hug me too much. Yes, ready, you accept it so strongly that you strangle it in college. Did you accept Khaled the meaning that I was strangled? Yeah? And there is a right way and a wrong way to embrace it so that it grows and can write your source of creation Where it is mutilated you are afraid of killing it you like it in other words you love yourself as if it were a living self You clearly respect it.

I respect the creativity that comes from the fact that we are getting a lot. We are getting a 1 year old baby with 1000 degree chainsaw. I found out that she went wrong. Damn, it's this. I don't understand. It's just a video I made. It is not like this? Wait, his channel is called a rape breed and scientific man, okay, but come on guys. What was that? There are also, you know? There's obviously something inappropriate about them, where's the comedy that sums up random kids in the park? Yeah, boy, jar sauce. Okay, let's move on. Let's do them.

No, Ian may have cooked them in the back. Okay, there are some that aren't that offensive, yes, but the kind of people you know. The nervousness of them, like That's part of the full video of the comedy series: You're a Titan, are you familiar with a Dolan guard? No, I'm not. Yes, yes. That's powerful, so look at this creativity, look at this Gil, you inspired that video. I can't edit it that well. Yeah right and when I was making YouTube videos for the first time. I was taking politicians, and I was trying to do effects like that, you know, getting them into shows, making it look like they said they didn't say it and that's a phenomenal power that people haven't had for a long time.

It's just that if you wanted to see a public figure or a movie Warp to mean something more you had to see it on Letterman or something Nobody else had those tools, but now with editing software and the Internet Everyone clearly, Unabomber didn't have them He didn't foresee the meme economy, otherwise I wouldn't have come without writing. He is still alive. I wonder if he's aware. Oh, he's the crusher of the meme economy, yeah? And the power that people have now to take that culture and make it their own. Some of the first videos I made were worth it.

I did one called Ferris 13. And I took Ferris Bueller Day. Off and I used voiceover for a trailer for Friday the 13th, so it made a comedy look like a horror movie and it's easy to forget what it was like in 2008 2007 to do something like that because there were no gatekeepers that would allow you to do it. You just did it and before you had to be a Hollywood executive for them to do something like that, you had to have money. What is an editor in the age we live in now? By the way, subscribe to Dylan Dart, subscribe to Dolan Joe.

I feel like nowadays I don't know Maybe it's already a thing But I've been feeling the desire for a form of therapy to start taking classes on how to work with wood and build things that serve as a form of therapy Yes, that's something brilliant, I actually took some sculpture classes and when I went to art school and it's so much fun when you can just drill a hole in a piece of wood and that's actually like building a shelf full of seven and it's a working object . he. Go back to what we were saying about doing something meaningful with your hands.

Yes, yes, with physical objects. I find some of that in puzzles. You know, by solving puzzles and using construction toys to make geometric shapes and stuff. And you realize I haven't looked at a screen. I have not been part of the technological world. It really is a great idea. I actually think there's something to that, yeah, I mean things that you can do even without technology, like not being wood and stone tools, but just your own body, like yoga or calisthenics, I guess like that kind of thing. that force you to be alone with only the The bodies are phenomenal, yes, very cool, okay, come on.

The last thing we had you was we didn't do this, we do it now with Oliver. I guess it's something very interesting for our fans. I love it, so I'll leave you this question here. Do you have any interesting stories about ghosts, paranormal experiences, alien encounters and? It's okay if you don't, it's completely okay. I don't have any, but it just became the segment It's Just a Little Thing, Ghost Stories. Yes, I don't have any. Yeah, okay, that's fair. I know it's perfectly fine. People feel bad. I don't have any, but sometimes. You know you are surprised.

I mean, as you can imagine, that's what I expected, I'm not the type of person who will become Ghosts, I'll say. I'm going to say. Oh interesting. I mean, how could there be something right next to me? You're not here to be in a fourth spatial dimension, are you? because we're starting to feel like we can't fly there, maybe it's right next to us in the same way that on a sheet of paper something can live on that surface and only be 2D, but something can be right on top of it and look into it. she. and know what's inside it.

What if that's where these spirits and ghosts are? After that, in Cocoa, if you're right, it was a great movie. Yeah, but it's like, I mean, I'd love to have an experience, but I'm sure the same feeling is that sometimes people have such a strong experience that you can be a completely rational scientific person and you say, yeah, I believe in ghosts so and and and that kind of experience is very real Yeah, I mean, if you think you saw a ghost, you thought you did that's and and there are things that we still don't know if we'll be able to discover in a hundred years that like oh no no, when you die , you enter a different spatial dimension in your there and you can be close to all of us, but we can't see you because we don't have eyes, the point is nowhere except these three, sure, will we ever be? able to design an experiment that shows that we find evidence of this.

I don't know, but in short, don't go to the stores. No, I'm waiting, I'm waiting for the day when I have a ghost story. The closest I've ever come is a moth shit on my wall, and I thought it was blood. But it was just Creepy shit, and I was like it. There's fucking blood running down our wall, and this was right after we started the ghost stories and I was like, wait, I'm like that's more brown than red. Oh. , No. No. No, there's a giant, monstrous shit on our wall. I was afraid for a moment.

Moth blood is not brown. Um. What are the rounds there? The poop is red. Yes, what moth turns to blood? I love horror movies, I love you, you know, like the incantations, the spiritual Ouija board type, that kind of thing because you love Lance Stewart, I'm sorry, it's a big part of our mind that creates these stories, and that It's very significant, I think. What's scarier is what we can convince ourselves of in thatmoment of what is real. Can I suggest some video that we watched recently. I generally don't like horror movies because I'm very easy to spit on.

You scare easily, but there was a strange movie. I haven't heard of her. Oh Lord. Is incredible. Yeah, it's not like Corny what I don't like is um Graphic violence, what's with the jump scares? I really don't like jump scares. I don't like to see. I like to say. I guess what I like most is just the suspense. That's the difference between a good movie and a cheesy or very bloody one. But this was a perfect match. line between being a creepy and suspenseful race. There is no violence. There is nothing that was just done right.

I really enjoyed that I felt like I loved it. It's on Netflix. Okay, great, is it all of October? I made my wife watch horror movies every day. I called him the ghost Tober. Yes, I hated it, but we wanted suspense. And we found ourselves actually moving away from the horror towards the suspense section because we wanted it to be phenomenal. Well, get out, Jerry, because Get Out was more of a good movie than a good movie. . Oh, this is a horror movie Yeah, it wasn't like you just jumped out of your seat and got blood too, it was more like Yeah, this is the Stephen King book that they made a movie out of, but an author who Are you in a car accident?

I mean mercy hmm. Is it recent or is it a classic? It's not recent, but it's another one of those like Unsettling reads misery not mercy misery so good. Oh, we should see that, ela, yeah. Oh, you should do it, yes, again. It's just that it's out of line with reality hmm Well, what are you eight was great because it was kind of fun. Yeah, so I found most of the good horror movies. There is an L Strong element of comedy, absurdity and sass. Yeah, because you have to, you can't take yourself too seriously when it comes to these kinds of issues, so yeah, Stephen King, by the way.

There was a childish orgy in that book. I know, if you know, I know because after watching the movie Yes, I read the book, yes, and how do you feel about that? I've only read about that scene. Oh, you know what? I haven't even read the book, so I'm curious. What was your reaction to being well? Well, first of all, the book shows you why books and movies are different and deserve to be treated differently. You sound like a big kid when someone says like that. Yes, but did you read the book? Yeah? I know it's annoying, but books are very different because they allow you to get into someone's head for hours and days, but in a movie you have to like Finish it in one go and like The memories that people have in a movie have to be Made with recreated scenes, but with this book you really get into the dark parts of people's minds that you can't translate to a screen anyway.

Yeah, when did I start getting to that part of the book? Are they implying it? before it actually happens and I immediately had to read what critics have said about why the hell is that in the book because Stephen King's Health says well, it represents this transition from childhood to adulthood this connection But of course , the hallway that connects the children's library to the adult library also represented that why did you have to have one too? Graphic, it's like it's a gangbang with this girl, from what I read, because that's exactly what it is. Well, it's just yes.

I mean, it's his idea mm-hmm But doesn't it actually go against his character arc like it's supposed to with all the characters? Become free in a way like, oh, you mean my medicine is just a placebo, hmm. You know those were these big revelations of the route, and you feel like the girl gets there too. But then there's that scene and you say What he was reading about a lot of people was like he was on drugs. He was doing like lines of cocaine during that whole period and they just took it out and wrote it down.

But still, how do you leave the emergency service that he has? an editor? I guess it didn't seem essential to the story. I also bought his book on writing. I haven't read it yet, but I really thought he had come to know more. Because that scene aside, the book is all Salem's Lot. I read it when I was a kid, and it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, I did a whole episode. about what's creepy. Why things are spooky and you know theirs? The idea of ​​creepiness is a big part of the episode, anyway, but yeah, oh man.

That's weird. And there are also disturbing things in the book that involve animals being hurt, which is just a different kind of horror like Oh, Creepy Clown. It's horrible Ice, why are we capable of that? Well, the question is about that particular scene: did it need to be in the book or was it just sickeningly strange. He did it- like mess with the reader or maybe that's valid- I don't know, he did a lot, I'm sure he messed with the reader III. I mean, he answered this and I think he said you know if he did it again.

He wouldn't include that scene, no, he said that because I thought he was defending himself. Well, yes, as far as I know, his defense was. I can't believe people are upset about this and don't like real violence. And whatever you know. good? But it was still strange because what I love about the book is that it's about believing, if you believe, that the clown is real. It's just that if you think you can destroy it, you can and there is a great analogy. He makes it seem like it took a lot of people to create the vampire myth, but someone created the wooden stake myth and in the book.

Well, the kids think the medicine is acidic and will destroy the clown. And it hurts them, but once they become adults they no longer believe in these things. They have to find new solutions. You have to believe you can destroy it to destroy it, and I've never seen a horror story that focused on that aspect, so yeah, but that scene was weird too. Because it was like if we did this, we would learn how to get out of the sewers. I thought I didn't see the connection properly. And they came out, yeah, it was literally like after that scene.

They're like. Oh great. You just take a walk there, isn't that weird? Also, the question of the time in which you wrote the book. I guess those things are like today. It seems so, it's strange, but they served as a background for No, you're right. I don't know, yeah, and when was that? Actually, probably the eighties. Anyway, that's a great number 10. Don't we have the Unabomber? Yes, Unabomber is a manifesto, we need a new chapter for memes, but in that book, but in 1986, according to you, in 86, the year I was born, and if you want to find the way out. a labyrinth You have a childish orgy oh no, no, not right, well, still at it.

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Yes, but we do have something strange. We got a little wild, we got a little, we went there, we got a little deep, we came back, we got a little scared, and then we do a couple horrors, a couple hundred orgies, the Bomb the Unabomber couple, blew up the building of apartments, right? He just sent pipe bombs. Oh, that was the guy who blew up the apartment building. Jonathan Jonathan McVeigh Who is this Timothy McVeigh Timothy from Oklahoma City? Yeah? That's the federal building, so, yeah, yeah? A documentary about him and if you watch it it's on Netflix.

That's great, you should also check out Ruby Ridge's because he was responding to Ruby Ridge. He was responding to the government and its power over the people, and it's very relevant. today today I mean, it's the same world Main story Important things, let's go to Mars and start recording data Yes, in Michael Stevens Park. Alright. I'm calling it now guys. Thank you so much for watching as Michael was kind enough to say that we will be going live next week on Wednesday with an unknown player very excited about that so join us until then my friends.

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