GEORGES ST-PIERRE Best Welterweight Debate, Life After UFC, Khabib || P4P Kamaru Usman Henry Cejudo

welcome to this another episode of pound for pound I'm your host Henry

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AKA Triple C and the Nigerian Nightmare

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Usman and guys we have a special guest one of the greatest of all time one of the

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s of all time George St Pierre, come on ladies and gentlemen, let's give it a round of applause, man, oh man, thanks for having me guys, I'm happy to be here with you, a Shadow Lion production, you know what's surreal for me right now. George is just like you. I know, at one point, obviously, you know you're the

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W tweet of all time, but you know you've got Kamar USU next to you, so you switch those defenses so quick, but you can't, you can't compare the moment, you know that we.

We were at different times, but obviously you're looking at Kamar's reign, what he did in the WWE division. I mean, you had to have had your glasses on at that time, you're thinking about the comeback, you're thinking, you know, obviously, you fought with Michael Bisby. You're thinking about that safe return, you know, watching Kamar Usman make it rain, how did you see his situation? Could you put yourself in his shoes because you were there at one point? Yeah, yeah, he had an amazing uh. trip and it's not over, I mean, he's still competing, you know, I mean, I don't know what your current position is now, but I mean he's still out there, uh, when I was when I retired and I was thinking about coming back. , I think it was Tyron Woodley, who was the champion at the time, then I fought Bisping and when I retired I think it was Woodley, but it was after, if I remember correctly, that you, you, you, became champion and it was an incredible performance, you know?

I took him down and it was a great fight, yes, if I could say something, you guys had on paper the mix of the fight that tells Kamar all the time the ability of what you were able to do, how you mixed everything that I am. Like you almost on paper have the same style but a different style when in reality, because you knew how to mix it up, it's like Kamaru always did a very good job, particularly that fight with Tyron Woodley. I wonder why he did it. beat Tyron Woody why was he the guy like Sean Shri?

He was very dangerous. I'm like I'm Kamaro's mix of his level changes every time Kamaro changes level. I'd say he's fine, a double is coming. Oh no, nevermind, there's that overhang. wine so it's almost like a SC mix and obviously for you Kamaru looking at George St Pierre I mean to what extent the way he mixed his fights how much did you learn from that is uh first of all nothing thank you my brother now getting to get to know it's amazing getting to know you now and talk to you and talk to you um they can learn from you you know I think you know when you're when you're in the mix and you're competing there's this It's like I'll soon find out that what I'm about to say is true is that I used to be nervous all the time, especially when I was around other fighters who competed in the same weight class as me because You always say that if he says something, it will be seen. like a challenge so I'll be ready to do it so you're always nervous and it's true that's how we are, that's the business, it's not our fault.

That's the name of the game, but as time goes on and I've retired, I've made peace with it and I'm not nervous around anyone anymore. I mean, it's normal because you're still competing and I understand that. I don't want to change that because it's a competitive spirit, you have your ego and you need it if you want to be successful because that's what keeps you strong during adversity, that's what keeps you on your toes, you never want to lose. that as long as you compete, but when you've made peace with it and you retire, now is the time to come back and be a normal human being and be a normal citizen and let it go and that's what's very difficult for a fighter.

Let it go, that's why you see some guys who stay there too long and rack up losses and losses and losses and hurt themselves and hurt their legacy. You don't want that to happen. You know, yeah, absolutely, I completely get it because I feel like Think of You, maybe the first time, maybe the first few times that we were together, it was because it became so much of us, maybe fighting, maybe fighting, maybe fighting. , and that puts that on your shoulder, that chip on your, so every time you do it. We're together because, as Alphas, we're all Alphas, so when you're around each other, you're around another man of that caliber, it's like you know you're, you're always on the edge of if he says anything here, we have, we have to go, you know we have to go and we always feel that, but you know, as you've said over the years, once you rule it out, since it's not possible, it's not a threat.

I'm not in danger here. I don't feel like then you somehow get over that, but I also think George, that's what made you have a little bit of that fear. KN, there are guys that come and come to me and Mike Tyson and Mike talk all the time and he talks about fear being a good thing, that you can't have courage without fear, you know what I'm saying, that you need a little bit of those nerves, you need, you need a little. of that chip on your shoulder even call it weight but I could say it I could say it now like you're free like you know what I'm saying like I especially you know I retired for 3 years at the age of uh at the age of 33 just for being He accomplished everything I set out to do What if if there if there could be an incentive you know I would love to come back but at the same time the precious thing about leaving on your terms I don't.

I don't think there's any money that can really replicate that, so I respect Khabib for what he's done, but you also know and for you I respect him because you're in a position where I feel like the champion of fiber, it's an industry. very selfish. It's all about pride and ego and fighting is about that, that's what keeps us strong you know, otherwise we'll retreat all the time, but I heard you say before ego is good, yeah , it's good as a fighter, it's one of the best things you can do. You can be a fighter because it makes you strong in a normal society.

At some point you need to put your ego aside to be a better person and it's hard for a fighter to do that and you know you have guys like them. for example like you're old you're like me I'm 37 now you're 37 you're you're 37 and when I got to 36 37 I retired I retired at 37 I asked myself if I'm the best I've ever been and when I close my eyes, I was thinking it was like I think I have the most knowledge I've ever had in my

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, it's now, in terms of knowledge, I reached, I'm taller than I've ever been, but my physique maybe started to go down a little bit.

I don't recover as well as I used to, so I start asking my question: what do I do? How do I want people to remember me? because maybe sooner or later I will lose. Nobody can beat time and if someone beats me it is because they are better than me or it is because time catches up with me and I am no longer the best I could be, you know what I mean then and that is when I start to think about This was like, you know what I think, for me it's time to let go and I want to retire at the top during my term, you know, yeah, do you think part of that was also that you didn't want to feel that weight, that pressure anymore?

Because obviously we've all seen and heard documentary filmmakers of yours, you know, throwing up before fighting, being afraid before going out, but obviously when you trained it was something different, it's almost like I remembered, in quotes, what George said. and this is something that I've always taken away from you is that you have to act your way, even if you don't feel it at the time, you have to act like you are there and you know it, and little by little you will. Come in and that's something I could say, George, that I've really taken away from you more than anything in that aspect, like you know what he's 100% right if you're not completely if you don't feel ready for F. whatever, act and little by little it will come back, well, me and I'm going to something, guys, I never liked it, I never liked fighting, I liked sports, science, I like going to train at the gym, the camaraderie I have with my partner of training the science of this the freedom that fighting gives me the you know the money the access to things that others don't have I love this but the routine of knowing who you are I'm going to fight on Saturday night against that murderer who is going to try to rip off your head.

I say no, I don't like it, I'm serious, he put me in a very uncomfortable situation. Some people liked it, but I never liked it. Never, if I could close my eyes, snap my fingers and fast forward to the end of the fight, I would have done it every time and the reason I actually quit is because it cost me so much. and I stopped developing a condition called OC colitis which is an inflammation of the intestine and in my last fight when I fought I try to eat to gain weight and um I have a hard time gaining weight and I force myself to eat to eat. and maybe the doctor told me that's probably the reason and I developed it so that you're not fighting right now George, you're like, quote, relief, yeah, I, I, when I was diagnosed with Oser colitis, in terms of stress, I felt relieved, but I also started doing intermittent fasting and it cured all my symptoms.

He no longer took medication. I used to take harsh medications. I used to go to the bathroom and there was a lot of blood. I thought maybe I had cancer, but I told myself that during training. camp I was like whatever it is I'm going to wait until the end of the fight because to know what it is you have to do what they call a colonoscopy it's a camera they put in and for that they give you a laxative and they were trying to gain weight, no lose weight, so I thought, whatever, I'm going to fight and see what happens next, can I tell you something?

George and I think maybe Kamaru could probably relate, uh, when, when, when. I was a child and I remember I started when I was a child, I was a child who always played in the street breaking windows, you are a dentist in Menace, but when it comes to competition, there is something special about me, where I took the sport is so serious and I was a kid who played with everyone, but when it came to competition, this is when I was 10 or 11 years old. He didn't talk to anyone, he just talked about being zoned until he's an adult, so even now. as I grow and what I could maybe get the most out of was starting a stick, starting a Persona.

I am that kind of person that when I was a child I also loved to be chased like you. I know what I'm saying, so it was a lot more fun for me to be able to be chased and add a little more pressure with me because then I could almost relate to you, George, in the sense that I feel that pressure. I feel like I understand what it could do to you, but I think I try to use it in a way where it's like you know what let's double this, let's double this, you know what I'm saying, well I'm sure they know this or they have a training partner. that shines in the gym.

They're definitely the best in the gym, but when the lights are on they just can't perform and that's what they just said: I knew I was. at my best when the pressure and the stakes are high, but do you think you liked that when you were a kid? Were you exactly the same? or do you think I think I was like that too when I was a kid and I learned how. to deal with it, but that's how I think I perform at my best, but some guys don't, but obviously you guys were champions. You know, that's how I think you perform at your best too.

You know what I mean, but not everyone is like that. You know absolutely, um, there's one thing that I always watched and I grew up and grew up in the sport and I actually watched you because you were in the UFC while I was still in college, you were already eating guys and I'm watching and I'm just I'm like, oh man, that's because I don't know if I want to do this sport because I myself don't like fighting, I don't like it, I never grew up saying, oh yeah, I want to do it. fight I want to beat the guys I never that was never a thought for me I was I was competing I wanted to compete I wanted to be the best I wanted you know even when I was fighting I was the guy tell George about the girl I used to hit you who you're fighting No, that's what I have.

I got into wrestling and my first practice was with a girl in our group and she just, yeah, she just, you know, I've never, I've never felt like she's her. I used the Nigerian r for I never felt because you never think about these things as a human being when I was a child. I never thought that someone could hold you on your back and you, most humans, don't know how to get up, you can't. get off me, it's another person holding you down and you can't get up and it was something about that that was very humbling and I just said no, I have to learn, I have to learn, so I kept coming back and coming.

Over time I realized that I learned something. I was into sports, but back to my question it's for you. I remember seeing you fight guys and I saw you defeat guys and for me it was like that. I'm like I'm a collegiate champion I'm a fighter, no that guy's not going to do it I'm not that guy he's not going to beat me and I'm looking at you and I wasn't even in a thought process of maybe fighting. I just saw you fight Josh Kek and I saw you just put it together, put the jab on him and that was almost when you first came out as NCA champion, yeah, NCAA champion, and when you first came out, I could see it.

You more or less know this because everyone has thatexpression on your face that you don't know if you're scared, you don't know if you are, you know the adrenaline is pumping and it looks like you've been sleeping the whole time. day, you know, and everyone, every time you see, you look at guys, there are some guys now because that's the sport, so yeah, the sport is so big, there are guys that entertain now, but back then you see guys with that look and I saw you, you had a look like that's coming and you're the one defending your title, yeah, and the fight starts and you just start building and you're mixing it up and you hit them with the Jabs and you, I think you beat them a couple Sometimes, I think maybe that's it. fight, yeah, and I wonder how he's able to take guys down for you when you give it because I know the feeling when you're there and the referee looks at you and says, are you ready?

I don't even give you a CH to say no I'm not ready they just leave you ready you ready you ready let's go so you know they don't give you that time so for you how does that feel feeling when they tell you that you are? Ready, let's go and get in the fight because, like Henry was saying before, if you're one of those guys that has to get in the fight if a guy is coming at you with extreme intensity, yeah, how does that work? How do you control that? That's how it works for me.

If I can back up a bit, I'll explain my thought process to you. I always wake up the morning of a fight and don't sit down. well because I don't sleep well the night before because I do too many scenarios in my mind of if he does this I'm going to do this and at some point there is a flash that comes to my mind and that's what I see myself doing well. and sometimes I see myself losing by not doing it as well, but I would say that for the people listening to us, I use the theory of James L.

James L is a philosopher and I would also say that he has revolutionized ways. from thinking CU we all know that our mind can dictate our body, let's say I'm thirsty, my mind tells myself, I take the water and drink, but also my body can dictate my mind and that's what James L says, so He says that if you start acting like someone, you will become that person in some way, so every morning I wake up I feel like I'm not feeling well, I feel like I'm not resting because I had a bad night's sleep, but I always get a m y When I walk into a room for breakfast with my team, everyone knows I had a brilliant night's sleep and I don't want to be there, but they always ask me: "Hey, how are you feeling, George?" Answer the same.

I feel great. Tonight will be a good day. Let's kick some ass. I can't wait and everyone laughs because they know I'm Li. I'm lying because all my guys are training. My trainers know what I'm like, so as the fight gets closer it's like a funnel, but things get worse and worse. I have more stress, more stress and this stress starts to build up as soon as the fight is announced, but now it sets. It gets worse and worse until I get to the locker room, it's unbearable, like I see some guys getting knocked out coming back to the locker room, all in disarray, like at some point, in the stretches, you say, Damn, me.

I'm next, but you don't want to act like that, so you pretend like everything is normal and everything, but deep down you're scared and terrified, and what I do is to put myself in the perfect mind zone. It's when I know I'm next, you know, so the peak, the epitome of my stress, is I would say right before I go in when I know, let's say, the fight before mine, because normally in my last fights of my career I was fighting for the title, so when I know I'm next, what I and I know is that the UFC guy is about to kick in the door and say: Hey, S Pier, are you next?

I tell my coaches. one minute I go to the bathroom and I didn't go to the bathroom to pee or do I ever do it but but I go to the bathroom because I have a ritual I look in the mirror and I start talking to myself and before I used to put on my handkerchief, my G while I I did, but now we no longer have the opportunity to have that, so I look in the mirror and tell myself all the reasons why I am going to win. I am stronger. that he I'm faster than him I have better trainers than him I'm better prepared I've made all the sacrifices I've trained this guy this guy is a fucking killer and I could do it right there's no way I would have done the same thing I tell myself every time of the reasons why I'm GNA to win that fight and when I leave the room I'm uh I'm different now that I'm on cruise control and I trust my instincts until I go to the octagon, I walk in and now I really trust myself and when I'm in the octagon and Rose announces, I look at my opponent and tell myself the key word, the objective he's going to set for me. champion because, for example, when I fought Michael Bisping I knew that he was bigger and stronger than me, so I didn't want to stay in front of him because I know that would be a bad choice for me, so I was like move, move all the time. time. all the way speed speed speed speed kill move move all the way so I repeat these thoughts in my mind until I go to face it and I tell myself I don't want to sound arrogant but that's what I do. m I say it to myself right when I face it I say it's going to be a bad night for you I'm going to be the worst nightmare speed speed speed all the way all the way out speed speed speed all the way all the way speed kill speed K and then we back up now the referee goes, are you ready, ready?

And that's how I developed my confidence. I speak to myself. Heard it's as surreal as that. You say that because I. I never heard you say that but I'm like and I and I I didn't learn all this I wasn't taught these things yeah I do almost the same thing yeah unfortunately I lost the fight uh Edwards the second fight because that fight I just had a lot of stress about me, but I was in the bathroom and I was in the mirror and I was pacing back and forth. I look at myself in the mirror because I look at myself and I put myself on stage and I'm talking to myself in the mirror, but even before that, I do it to my face, that's why most when they bring you back because the most of us were main events of our last fights and I'm sitting there once my I'm I'm I'm crossed I'm I'm I'm talking in my head they don't listen to me but I'm talking in my head and I'm talking to the GU in my head and then we go back and then it's time to go, but it's a mental process and I'm in this process all the time and I think a lot of it has to do with preparation, it comes from preparation, you, you. you know, we did it once and then the interview and he did it out loud is a Jon Jones when before he fought DC he told Jo, he told DC in an interview, he said, "I'm going to go out and something like and like I".

I'm going to go out and humiliate you and beat you up and there's nothing you can do, Danielle Cor and I said to myself, I said he just did it, but he did it out loud, but you know what I mean, some guys like McGregor do it. do. It's also strong, yes, but I, I just did it on me. I think you need to have something like that going against you to be confident and develop your confidence at some point, it's not because you're an arrogant person, it's just a way. to build your confidence, not only not so much, but even what John said when you say something that's powerful, it's almost like you're signing that contract, whether you know it or not, you're even selling it in blood because Now that's what you just said when he said it.

I don't think any fighter. I don't think there's any really, really real wrestler that saw him and saw him say that live and he didn't believe him. In his mind he was completely convinced that this is what I'm going to do to you, yes, and he said, well, he said, "I'm going to hit you with every single malicious technique I know, yes, but, but, already know what it is". what he said I was like, oh, he means that, yeah, oh, he means that, but you know what George, you had the same mentality too. I'm going to tell you where George Shier Matt Hughes 2 was, there was that.

That time in that fight, I remember you. I remember I actually saw that fight live. This was early in M's first two years, early to mid-2000s, and I remember George saying, "You know he's not as good as I'm willing to fight like me." The head got me, I was able to get the deal, I was able to lose it and you said next time I'm going to beat this guy, so it was like you stated it and I think when you talk about Jon Jones, what did he tell Cormi he was? Like you've said it before too, yeah, so it's almost like it brings everything back so you can give John credit, but at the same time George is what changed from that first fight to that one. second fight and obviously he ended up stopping Mat Hughes, yes, I think confidence is very important because if I make an analogy, someone, an athlete, can have all the skills in the world, but if they don't have the confidence, it's a bit like someone .

Whoever has a lot of money in his bank account but has no way to access it, needs confidence and there are guys who are very, very talented, but when the lights come on they lose all confidence, they don't know how to do it. build that and it is very important if you want to be successful in sports or in everything, every situation is the art of war, even when we say you are going to ask a woman or a woman on a date, if you go without covid, your chance to being successful is none is zero you have to be sure you're going to ask your bus for a raise you're going for you know anything you know you're going to interview for a job if you look down and your employer will see it and be like no, I don't want that guy. , everything you do, you have to do it with confidence, it's very important, so that's it, it was Matt Hughes' one to two, you just give him credit, you became more confident, that's how it was.

It was more of a belief because you'd already been there with them or it was more like no, I'm not going to lose again. I think he was a little better than when I fought him. first time in terms of skills in terms of knowledge, but I think what made the big difference is my confidence, but even watching One George you're like you're fooling him when I F when I fought Matt the first time I couldn't even. I couldn't even look him in the eyes when I did the St with him. I was going into that fight not to lose instead of going there to win and it was, uh, I was a very different person than the first one.

The second one, yeah, I think it has a lot to do with, obviously, mentally, they build this guy, he's, he's that guy, he's, he's Matt Hughes, he's, he's the baddest, scariest guy. and no matter what you do, you know what they and many people say. no, oh, just block it, ignore it, ignore it, you can't, you can't, you're a human being, you know, it's like reading comments, 99 people say, oh, you're the best of all time, but one person says you suck. that's the only one you really think about so it's almost hard to build them up in your head and then you go in and you play it a little safe in a way, but then when you're done and feel the guy and I and I'm saying this from experience because right in my last fight and you feel like the guy you are like he's not that good, I mean he's good, but I'm better, I know I'm better in some way it's not that he's not that good it's that you're Better than you thought you were I'm better than I thought and I have more to give that I didn't really give and that's how I felt in this, my last fight with Chamaya, you know, they build him up, he's the scariest guy and that defends the wolf, you don't know, and I was in a place where I called for the fight before, I went to Dana and Hunter, I sat with them in the office and I said, hey, I want that guy and they said: "Ah , it doesn't make sense to us, you know, and I understand their perspective." I understood it at that moment because to me, he is a young star.

We're building, I went in and cut that train and it's not good for a business, it's not good for a business, you know, and they partially knew, you know what, especially because when I call for a fight, they know what I'm going to do. I do to the guy and what I am mental at that time because I only asked for maybe two fights, you know, one of them was in Mfal, the second fight, so I just asked and they did it. It doesn't make sense to them, but eventually months and months at CU I wanted to camp, let me prepare for the guy and fight him, but months and months later they didn't have one and they called me in two weeks and hey, you want to fly there. and I fought with the guy and said I'll let you know in the morning so I'm going to the gym I call some guys I'm Spar we Spar yeah come on I'm not as bad as I thought come on did you do it ?

You take risks like that, what he says, like what Kamar says, because in reality, when people find out what he had before fighting, they are going to stumble, but are you one of those kamakazi? I'll kind of accept the fight, I took some fight and I had injuries, uh, I mean, not not injuries that would really make a big difference, but injuries that I would have now that I'm thinking about it. Maybe I shouldn't have taken it or personal problems when you have personal problems, even that's even worse because I'm going to tell you why I think I see it as a triangle, you know, you have your emotions, your mental.

And your physique, if one of them doesn't work well, it affects everything. For example, if you have an argument with, I'll give you an example. If you have an argument with someone, I don't know like your loved one or someone dies. You who worry emotionally are not 100%. %, yes, it will affect your mental and it will affect your physical because you may not go to sleepmaybe yeah, I don't think so, I think people underestimate what 10,000 rats can do and of course you have for me 10,000 oh yeah, 10,000 rats for me personally, I go to 50 hawks of course and then I go to 10,000 rats because 10,000 rats I don't care about four lions 10,000 rats after 20 minutes those lions are going to be just holes and then you have the gorillas actually they are not, they just flatten themselves for a while they are going to get tired the only difference between the ox and the rat is the rat the ox can attack the rat but the rat cannot attack the hawk yes, but you need two to defend yourself I have air defense and I have ground defense.

It isn't true. You will survive for now. Yes you're right. You're probably right. Henry. Where are you going? “I’m going to go with that rifle,” you might add. just a couple of rifles mate you know no he's got a rifle he's bound b b let me reload why there's 10,000 Chase rats coming at you or four lions or five G well maybe the four lions uh whatever I can choose , maybe I have the four lions and I'm against the wall and who wants to get something. I think Henry dies in 10 minutes, you know, you know, it's a c, yeah, it's a, it's a hard scenario to call, I don't know, I don't know, but the rat I haven't thought about the Rat that way through from the New York rat or rats either, not just the normal lab mice, the little white ones, we're talking about the New York ones, who seem to know the awesoms and the raccoons, but are you saying that? all the animals that are your opponent, their goal is to kill you, yes they are all attacking you, you choose two, the rest will try to kill you, but man, a lion coming, I think I don't know if the rats will do it. be able to stop our Lion Wait if our lion likes 10,000 brother, that's ridiculous, yes, but a lion is going to run at you, okay, but how much, how much, look at a lion how to fight, how much resistance It has a lion, yes, it is in an arena, you don't need much final resistance, it is an arena and I have seen one and five lions.

I have seen five hyenas. You know, yeah, they mess with a lion and he can't really attack them all, but now you have. 10,000 New York rats and I keep saying because New York rats are something different, rats coming at you, which I am, I'm going crazy with rats and hawks. I want to at least have Ariel and I have ground support that could not be bad, not bad, I think they could have attacked the Hawks from above and the rat from below. I'm going to send at least five Hawks at the guy with the rifle, go kill him first, attack him because he's going to shoot you.

I don't want him to shoot me, so uh, but George, um, you've known that for a long time, like I mentioned. before when we started, it's uh, you know, CU I I I grew up in the sport watching you even though we're not that far away. Separated in age, but you've been here for a long time looking at each other and doing your thing and it's because of that admiration for where I was, as a man, I want to compete against that guy that I want to be. I want to be the guy that beats that guy and it was all from that respect and admiration, you know, to where now I feel like it's very different, you know, these guys now don't respect art, they just want to be the artists that they want. . being Superstars that in a sense we were too, you know, but I mean that's where that thing of wanting to challenge you and wanting to fight you came from, that's always been where it came from, it was nothing, it was never a place of disrespect because for competitive Ed, can I say that advantage?

Can I say something tomorrow? I think he's uh I think he's really good guys you know how often do you get a chance to have Walter's top two weights of all time? to step in and you know, we feed off each other here, see you at the UFC event. I'm sure we'll see that they always put us next to each other, which is great, yeah, so I just want to tell you. I know I love you and respect you a lot and even now I'm getting to know you a lot more and more and seeing you more.

I love you and I respect you and being able to learn from you and hear from you in a sense, it's been a it's a pleasure and this conversation has been a pleasure, you know, I'm sure you know that, so you know people can stop the

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, you know, this is my man, right here, you know, you know, you know what he, what he's done is legendary. He is going to be recorded in the books forever. I think I think in all sports, I mean, things kept getting better because you know, it's like Einstein says in science, if I've seen further than others because I'm standing on the shoulders and a giant, it's the same thing.

Like my predecessor, I learned from them. I didn't have to repeat the same mistake they made because I learned from them and obviously when I grew up, I was in Montreal, Canada. I wanted to learn Jiu-Jitsu. learn a damn juji gami Amar I needed to drive to New York pay the members should go to the hzo graci academy and live in the class to learn it now can you can I take my cell phone hey look at that Move you can learn you know technology does the much better things, that's why I think athletes' performance improves.

So people sometimes ask me who is the best. P because he found the best one for me, the one that made the difference for me. because he inspired me was r Rice Gracie, I think Rice Gracie would have done well and anyway octagon no, I don't think so and I think the best pound for pound in that sense hasn't even been born yet because things will start to get better , you already know. respect, they are made to be defeated, but as of now, CU, obviously, and George, you are a very modest person, like who is your goat, Mountain, who is your top four, but no not in Pioneers, not like in what you I just said who, but pound for pound, when, but based on what you've seen, you're like, oh, that's different, oh, he's fine if you respect the time, for the moment, being the person I've done with something. which I don't think will be done again at the moment, I think it's where GRA is is number one for me, I grew up watching it, but if you ask me in terms of where we are now, I think it's difficult It's difficult to find someone better than Jon Jones.

Jon Jones is very good people. Jon Jones is extremely talented but he is also extremely tough. People have no idea how tough he is. I have trained with him. I've seen it happen. the routine is so incredibly hard, I remember the fights he had, I think with Victor Belur, I think he dislocated his arm and he fought even with a dislocated arm, even one of his fights, his toes were broken most of the time when I have a guy who is very talented he doesn't come with toughness Jon Jones is the complete package he has it all Elite Striker Elite grapple is good all around of course there are things that people will say oh yeah he did this he did that, but in terms of who is the godfather and he came back beating Seral Gun the way he did, yeah, tough, it's hard to have an argument, okay, that's one of the four, who, who would it be, who would it be? the other boy you would be. like graci C uh J Jones, a guy also that you beat is Demetrius Johnson, oh yeah, Demitrius Johnson is one of the same ones, you know, man, you fought him, I think he beat one of you and he beat you, you you conquered once he is another. guy who I think moved on and he's older and he's still beating the young guys like he's saying it's amazing yeah Demitri's ability to mix was like a mix it was on you but fast forward that's what Demetrius Johnson You know why it's so fast.

It's like, oh, I remember fighting him, I think one of the keys because obviously he put me out the first time and I think one of the keys when I saw when I fought with Demit the second time, I think I can't react. to everything he's doing because he's too fast, he's going to mix everything up, something hits me, hits me, but something that I felt safe with is the fact that he didn't have that crazy power, but you did. brilliant. work, the second fight, you, you were very well prepared, I remember seeing it, I thought, oh my God, you use your takeown and everything was perfect, you become their perfect nemesis, yeah, one SAT I tripped them five times, so shout out to DJ, I'm sorry, I'm not sorry.

Well, I mean, here, George, we, of course, can sit here and talk to you forever. You know you have so much knowledge and it's a great talk to be able to learn and hear so much from you, but you know we. I have to let you go, we don't want to occupy you all day, but you know, thank you for joining us here pound for pound. I mean, we're still getting started, but it's an honor to be able to talk to someone like you, so man, everyone watching, thank you, thank you everyone for watching. I'm your host Henry Cejudo aka Triple C, the Nigerian nightmare, Kamaru Usman and of course the legend GSP GSP, yes we're dating.