Fiat 124 vs 86 vs MX5 - Affordable Sports Cars | Everyday Driver TV Season 2

Many people write to us to find a fun and

affordable

sports

car, as we highly recommend the MX-5, so the best way to get a variation of the MX-5 is to simply buy another MX-5, this is the Mazda. The mx-5 Aref costs around 30 grand and for that you get a fully retractable metal roof which, when in place, really improves the rigidity of this car. Immediately changing the

cars

to the

fiat

124, you might think it's the same car, but I don't believe it, this car is made in Hiroshima, Japan, on the same assembly line as the MX-5 and only 20% of the colors are Italian.

It's the same car with a different heart if you want to compete with the Mazda mx. -5 you can also steal from the best and just use a Mazda mx-5. The 124 Spider was a very successful and well-known model for Fiat. It had a very similar hood shape to this car, so remember that, but let's be honest. It's a MX-5. I'm really intrigued by this as there could be a business decision making this a true alternative to the Miata. We are not in an MX-5 by any means here. This is the Toyota 86, it is part of the 86 chassis. that has been around for a few years as of 2013, what is called BRZ for Subaru.

It was originally called in the US Scion fr-s for Toyota and abroad gt86. As far as you know, the Scion brand no longer exists. it's the only badge this car wears it's just a t6 it's a car that has two main needs: there's a massive drop in torque right at the dead center of the RPF, frankly the part you use the most and secondly, the tires of fabric. They are mostly terrible but for the same money as a Miata you can get one of these, a focused rear drive chassis that is only built to be this car, there is no way you can get this in a convertible to lose the top down engine If that's your thing, the car you drive every day needs to be fun, but it also needs to do the boring stuff like commuting to work, be

affordable

, and transport your groceries.

You can have both and it will help you find fun driving

cars

and great driving experiences for everyone every day. controller presented by Covercraft of these three, they all look pretty good, but I think the designers knocked it out of the park. I love buttresses, it looks more expensive and exotic than it really is, the launch edition just arrived. this gray exterior and this two tone interior unfortunately the launch edition cars are not club spec but they have every possible option the same interior as the mx-5 the materials the build quality everything is very high quality and in fact this interior feels more expensive than the car and I'm fine Todd is not going to fit.

I'm as low as the seat can go. I'm as far back as the siedel. My head is pushed towards the ceiling. I as a tall guy who is 6 foot 3 could buy this and do things to get in shape, but in original shape I just don't. I'm intrigued by this car. I like the new face. I like what they've done there, it was very much a tribute. Compared to the original Fiat 124, the bonnet feels very long, the Mazda just falls down and you feel like you are in a smaller car, whereas this one feels bigger. Otherwise, I really like the styling and with the right size wheels and tires, I don't think it's this car.

I would like this style more than the mx-5, the original 1:24. I didn't love it either, but at least there was something about it that was cute. I don't have an angle that I like, the interior, yes it's exactly the same except for the badge everything else is a mx-5 I'm still full of course because you have to be under six feet to be comfortable in one of these cars, that's all it takes. I love it. I love it. Take a look at the front, the clip is different and I don't think they moved in the right direction, they got worse, made the car look worse, cars depressed, angry or constipated.

I'm not sure what's right, just consider it a minor update. fake wait here pioneer radio oh there are buttons on the steering wheel plus that's old and familiar get in this car right after the mx-5 and it feels spacious it feels like there's a generous amount of space everywhere the whole interior is well the things that relate to driving beyond that is normal but what you should look for here is driving this is not a luxury of all these cars the three cars I feel this is the most fun for you this is the same 2 Engine One liter SKYACTIV found in many Mazda products, the cx-5, the Mazda 3 and of course the regular version of the Mazda mx-5.

It's a reliable, capable, well-maintained engine that gets excellent gas mileage that it doesn't have. a lot of character, so of course that hasn't changed here, one of the nice things about this in manual specifically is that it's great to run it up to that 6,500 rpm redline that you want to go really high and really work the gears and To extract the power of this engine, you will always have to think about the future. It's like preparing your next shot. When you play pool, you are always thinking about the next move. You have to be thinking about what.

What gear do I need next in this pair? Because you don't have all the power in the world here. You can't just suddenly decide that you're going to put your foot down and pass someone, especially with the automatic. The stick was configured with the continent. The transmission would probably be a more fun car, but the reason for this automatic here is twofold: it was the RF we were able to get into for the filming schedule and also because a large percentage of MX-5s are purchased with the automatic , this engine is also unique to this car in terms of the Mazda side of the equation because the Fiat has a completely different engine, the place where this 124 makes its name is that engine, the engine is the same with a difference of 1 in 500, so even though this is not apart, the engine is apart and you can get the 124 apart which has four more horsepower in this car, the class is like it only has 160 horsepower and you might think that well the mx-5 is no slouch at 155 they are completely different this is the only turbo car of these three and it really shows at the lower rpm this is a much more satisfying car to drive 160 horsepower or 184 lb-ft of torque now to give you a frame of reference of about 40%.

More torque than you get in the MX-5, you can really feel it and it starts at about the middle of the tachometer. 3200 rpm, the mx-5 doesn't even get all of its torque, a thousand after all these cars, all three cars. I feel like this is the most fun one and the one I need to make the least excuses for because the power is there, it's not a lot, but it seems to keep exactly the conversation we've been talking about for years with the 86 at four to five thousand rpm. car just pulls unlike other cars we have done this is a dear hello dear it must be spring there are deer everywhere this is the 2 liter boxer thanks to Subaru and that means the engine is very low And in my opinion the The packaging of the car is great because it keeps the center of gravity of the car very low and makes it an incredible car in the corners, so for this update, Toyota and Subaru decided to finally give this car more power: five, five horsepower. strength, five pounds. -feet of torque, that's all, five didn't fix the torque drop, they gave us five horsepower.

I can't tell you that 205 horsepower feels faster, it's on the Fiat 124's 160 horsepower, it doesn't feel that way once you're up there. The power band you have speed, that's fine, but the engine generates its power very differently, the way this engine generates power it needs a turbo, it shouldn't be like that. I'm back to ranting about the power and specifically the torque drop because that hasn't changed, what happens is that initially right off the bat you get a decent amount of torque for a car this size, it only weighs 2,700 pounds, but soon after , at about 3500 rpm, it just drops to a really very slow level and now on this 86 it doesn't pick up until over 5000 rpm, okay, look, 6500, there's a little bit of power.

I can actually accelerate that uphill altitude to 4500. I'm not sure I have a motor that Todd demonstrated when he had the FRS of it that you can flash. the ECU you can fix the torque drop you can put on the sport exhaust we drive the supercharged version fix the car it's a great platform to start with and we've talked about it endlessly another thing this '86 idea shares with the MX-5. This is a car that can allow you to learn to be a better

driver

. Covercraft provides

everyday

driver

protection for whatever you drive. These are very easy cars to drive hard, but all versions of this fourth generation mx. -5 I tend to think that more than I want them to, there was a deliberate choice on Mazda's part to take this nd and give it a lot of body roll, so that no matter what speed you go, you will feel the movements of the car. feeling involved like something is really happening yes the club addresses it a bit but usually you have to go to the aftermarket to really fix the problem.

Oh, it persists, but again, the trade-offs here are comfort much higher on the priority list and Mazda knows its customer base it's so light it doesn't hit the pavement in any way it slides over bumps you don't feel anything in fact a One of the things that is very important about these MX-5s is how light they are. The penalty for this retractable fastback is a little over a hundred pounds. The entire chassis gains rigidity. This is a sharper car with the top down. However, it still has a great wind noise right here in your ear.

Okay, so let's talk about it. The role of the body on this car is almost the same, I think because it is lighter it doesn't show off as much as the RF, but it leans a lot in these corners. Let's be honest, the 124 isn't a car you really look for because you want the best

sports

car on the planet it's a car you look for because you want to do the latter on a back road you want to enjoy yourself when you go out at night you want to take that special someone with you and go to dinner or go on a long road trip and the feel of the car, this ride and what it does, tricks you into thinking I'm actually doing something here, it's like Volkswagen and the easy-driving nature of a GTI found their way into a traditional classic convertible with a powerful engine and it's simple, it's easy, you know, you don't have to learn how to use this car, you can just get in and drive it like musicians.

We've also talked about what tires do on a car. In my opinion, no other car really comes alive more than this one with the addition of good tires. This is a new Toyota 86, so it has those Michelin primacy tires that don't really have much grip when you put them on. best tires on this car, it still slides, what happens is you mostly kill any understeer the chassis creates and now you have oversteer when you wanted to and otherwise you just plant it and stick it to the ground, the best part of the car fresh off the showroom floor that you can just hang out and chew the corners like very few cars can feel the potential of this car instantly let down by these disappointing tires, but you feel what's there: the steering ratio here it is 13 to 1, significantly sharper than the MX-5 and in fact one of the tightest steering racks on sale, there is still a lot of sensitivity and feedback through this steering wheel and I know the manufacturers will continue pursuing the feel of this car by using electric racks.

This is still a benchmark in that category and comes to life with the right tires and buttons because its power is flatter than the MX-5 and it also inspires more confidence in the corners. This 86 in factory original form is the most focused sports car experience like the mx-5, although this is not. a car you buy because it's super fast like a car you buy because it's cool to blast through awesome cars on your favorite mountain road. The way this car drives on the road is perfect for tracks and canyons. I still don't want to do it. be in this simply for traveling on the highway.

I really don't know anything else this idea of ​​the 86 shares with the MX-5 is that this is a car that can allow you to learn to be a better driver because you can't rely on doing so. corner wrong and just put your foot down and find speed on the straight edges of the corner and hold the speed. I think I know how this is going to work and I don't think we agree that we're really difficult. must have built the smallest GT car in the world, beauty style, miss cruiser, you don't understand me. I love this car to completely recalibrate my expectations.

My problem with it is that I want the steering and handling range to be flatter and more aggressive from the factory. The reason why the 86 is a chassis that I really like is because that is its personality. Here you can get a more focused and dynamic direction field. You have to go to the secondary market to do it. Tonight we are constantly looking for carseconomical sports cars with manual transmission. I'm curious to see how well this car will sell and I hope it does if you really like the MX-5 but want something a little different and a little unique.

This is your perfect option. I'm actually very impressed with the TIA. Offering it for exactly the same price as the MX-5, you can really look at the two Majescos, which one do I prefer, it's willing, it's eager, it wants to please and it has a better engine, leave it to the Italians to fix it right. and I guess since the 86 has been around for several years, I wish it was more. I wish Toyota and Subaru had made decisions to get us more out of this car, of course I like this car. I own the first generation of this car.

I'm not sure this update has really made it a more attractive car. If you are worried about driving primarily a convertible, you don't care either way, get the 86, if you want the convertible included, get DRF. I think I know what this is like. You go, you do and I don't think we agree, we usually say, okay, it was a foregone conclusion, to some extent we never agreed, but there are similarities here, the biggest similarity of All of these are 25 to 30 grand that you now have. options for new sports cars with rear wheel drive these are not z' chassis that were something else and became sports cars, they were made like that, it is true, although the list has grown with the 124, it is an option, but isn't it just ? like an MX-5 in a Fiat suit, you heard me.

I don't think it's because of the addition of the Italian flavor just with the engine. I'm amazed at how much this car's personality has changed for me. like I have personality on this call because when I want this to talk I'm really missing it more and more, so for me it's 124, then the RF because it's so beautiful, okay, and then 86, 86 is the last one because They didn't. change nothing they did nothing I needed a lot more for the update they talked about we can have more power five horsepower and torque which for a car you're already complaining about is not enough I have to put that second for me it's the first second third really because I would buy this car if it only fit.

This is the right all-rounder. The only reason the 86 doesn't win is because, let's be honest, we have two convertibles here, if it's personal, what is the 86 a convertible? It's off the table, yes, I like the dynamically better factory setup. I like it better in the factory corners. I hate the tires, but I love them in the corners. I can fit with or without a helmet. I can fit in the car though. It sounds like a ridiculous request, but I'm over 6 feet tall, if you're over 6 feet tall, this car is out, but I love it, it can do the convertible, it can do the clothing thing, Mazda, can you make me a coupe only? a coupe like this will never happen, but that's what I want, okay so, none of these cars will do it all for us, we can't wait to recommend to you on the podcast which of these suits your needs. needs I'm very curious and what a great deal 25 to 30 big new real sports cars, let's talk.

I want more edge in the RF, just a little thing to differentiate it in style and beauty and a little bit of weight I'd rather have the focus sports car so I want a coupe version of this but the best of all worlds is happening in this RF these cars are different I won't just call this the reincarnation of the Mazda mx-5 if you were going to make me choose, I take the Fiat, the 124 is a Mazda Miata cover band, it's not the original, it's a riff on the original and if you have the option you want the original, but if this car is still so good, then why?

Aren't we all diving and rushing to drive this car? It's good, but you know we're all looking for something more and it's just not going to give it to us. I love this car quite a bit. I had one now. The previous version, which is more attractive than I would say, probably just as good, but this is a great car. You can find great products for your car at Covercraft com+ free shipping to our audience with the code every day.