EL CHAPO RECIBÍA ÓRDENES DEL MAYO; a Zambada no le gusta compartir dinero y poder: Anabel Hernández

This is the eighth, I am Ricardo Raphael, I continue here at the Guadalajara International Book Fair and today I am honored to distinguish this program with the most respected, most serious, most disciplined journalists of our generation, Anabel Herná

ndez

, what a pleasure to have you here, on the contrary, thanks for the experimentation for the public the eighth on television for the public radio centro 88 1 we are going to talk about the traitor the secret diary of the son of

mayo

the first question

anabel

and you have already asked is who is the traitor if it is the state it is the government it is the dea I am So sure that this book is about the son, I think it's more about the father.

The traitor may be more than the son. In short, who is the traitor? Well, I would like to go back to the cover of the book about the drug lords where the face was there. of this almost illiterate man Joaquín Guzmán Loera with the title the drug lords that is the same this cover the drug lords was El Chapo or was it just El Chapo or who were the drug lords so I am not going to answer this question I hope It is the reader who has to draw their conclusions. Yes, I think it is this type of title.

I chose it. The subtitle. The cover is an idea of ​​mine precisely with the desire to provoke the reader to search for the answer. Very well, let's see then. Throughout the interview and the reading of the book, who is the traitor, but it is worth going ahead with the first page to talk about who is not the traitor, and you begin by saying that Joaquín Guzmán Loera is an important drug trafficker with wit, bold creativity, but without the intelligence or the temperament that was required to be the boss of bosses the first news that this book gives or this book confirms that joaquín guzmán loera was not and never was the head of the criminal enterprise resides in sinaloa he no longer has any doubt he does not He was the lord of lords, he wasn't and he couldn't do it.

You will remember that since 2005, the US government, the Mexican government, has been investigating Chapo Guzmán, they said we are looking for him but we can't capture him because he is a very intelligent person, a sinister mind. He is the boss of the Sinaloa cartel, the gay man, he is the boss in this transnational criminal enterprise, but when one reviews the biography of El Chapo, the truth is that he is a very basic character, to say the least, he is a man who barely knew how to read and write, he could not He didn't even really communicate in a fluid way what he was saying.

He was a man who was 0-0 when in 1993 the government of Carlos Salinas de Gortari arrested him and accused him of the murder of Cardinal Juan Jesús Posadas Ocampo and tied him up. I remember how he Let General Carrillo himself read that he was present in the place when Guatemala crossed the border and handed him over to a chapó because he was tied up like a pig just because it was sunny no no it was not an army that was accompanying the

chapo

because some commando could arrive not even to save it not because it was nothing it was zero as you explain that years later yes let me tell you a personal anecdote in 2017 on a trip that I took to zelaya and pour in the ruined india of we are now commemorating the lyrics is of the india in a market they don't say, I know several Mexicans who remember chicharito and el

chapo

as men and needy, how it happens that in a market and because of el chapo, a man has become so important if he was not the head of this giant company of narcotics and other things who put him up as a front because it seems to me that Chapo Guzmán was the human shield, for many they would tell you at first, for Mayo Zambada, of course, for Mayo Zambada, not only did Chapo have other human shields throughout his criminal career, but he also for the government of Mexico for its corruption madam for the letter for him for the president the former president felipe calderón for the head of public security genaro garcía and for many others before and after them el chapo was well the cop com don't let him Realize that he is responsible and if we all look at El Chapo we don't look at everything else and it seems to me that El Chapo was the human shield and destroyer and the forgiveness and distractor for many and they made him the most wanted so that We all looked even to those lands we looked at him and we didn't look at the other not a decoy father father of sir crimes and breakdowns that today or video they were going could continue playing the role of decoys it seems to me that clearly if I when this video situation happened there In Culiacán and Duras today all these characters said it's not that they overtook the state I said well how it happened I don't know I don't know I believe them according to the inside of the Sinaloa cartel these guys exist they are alive they kept a tenth or my tenth of the empire that El Chapo had at the time because although he was not from the Sinaloa cartel, he was from a very important operator, a very important partner, but what I saw in Culiacán is absolutely artificial.

I don't know, I believe I have substantive elements to say. If you don't believe them, now agree with me that when we Friedos dedicate ourselves to studying these or investigating criminals, it is always very suffocating, very distressing, it is difficult to get to the bottom of it, it is as if the truth were deep inside and you can see how Plato's chain - shadows some shadows are just that as the song says shadows nothing more while they end up being interesting sources in the previous case which is a great source fernando the activity I beg you to tell us for a moment how this source came to you and why that source does credible what you say in this book what we are going to talk about today in the interview well actually this this book was born in January 2011 it was a month of great concern for me I had just published the book the drug lords a month before I had this whole hunt for public officials who wanted to kill me and not the Sinaloa cartel, not Chapo Guzmán, it was the public officials who at that moment wanted to kill Gender Garcia Luna, many of you along with other members of your group, you went to Chicago to take refuge, no, no.

I went to Chicago to take refuge. I went and came to Chicago to give interviews, but above all because of the Vicentillo trial, and that's where my story with Chicago and Fernando Gage begins. Hello, at the beginning of 2011, a journalist from Chicago told me. does a telephone interview and to talk about the drug lords and I am talking about the drug lords as I had already spoken in Mexico on several occasions except that there was the peculiarity that that day at that time someone at the metropolitan correctional center in Chicago who was in isolated in his cell with an orange jumpsuit, he was very angry because he thought that he was not receiving the treatment he should have received, that they were not complying with the pact that they had offered him.

He listened to the interview and that person was Vicente Zambada Nieve, who had been extradited to the United States because he He had signed the extradition and that phone call is a radio broadcast that makes him talk, gives him the courage to talk to you or that he is looking for now this happened and of course I didn't even know that someone like that was listening to me nor many years later there is a character called fernando gage or the one who calls the radio station and says I want to talk to the journalist Anabel Herná

ndez

, I have a client who wants to talk to her and the truth is that throughout all these years I am very used to that because of That side of the beyond I receive contacts and people who look for me who want to talk to me, for example Emma Colonel, both Rafael Caroca himself and so many other personal courage that you have had to give voice to that side that is fundamental information for a coach that courage has been become trustworthy for those people and also because they could accuse me or they could like me or not like me but they know that when I write I write things as they are the truth simply as they are he looks for me gage hello tells me well he wants to with me and I the truth maybe I shouldn't say this in public but I go to all of them and I'm just curious to know what I want to know and I go to Chicago and I meet Fernando at the airport I hope not it wasn't Thursday it was in a seedy restaurant one of those steak houses that They have these gringos, it's not restaurants where there are just a few lights where everything is dimly lit, not where it was terribly cold because it was early 2011 and well, where I didn't even know what it was like, I didn't know what his face looked like, no, he didn't sit down.

At the table you arrive that they know me and he recognized me and he tells me I'm Fernando Gaxiola and we sat down and I remember that he was sitting, it was one of those wood types, he was here sitting in a long chair and I was in front of him and he was all the time like this touching his stomach and what if it's a trap and if it was sent to me by Gender Garcia Luna and I what am I doing here suddenly I realized that I couldn't see and he was talking to me well look it's that my client Vicente Zambada and the truth was it was impressive What was he telling me but I couldn't stop looking at his hand here and he realized that he was there and he was talking and I was like this and this when he goes here also here in this option they are triggered every day all the time what is going to happen here and that's when he opens up and says they just detected a cancerous tumor and they burned me from the operation or I just had the operation that he went to see and at that moment you relax and start to believe it's going to kill me so we put there arangio late says several The first thing is that he is Vicente Segundo's lawyer, who is the communication email between his father between Ismael and Vicente Tercero, that he has a lot of memory about what has happened with that company and third, that he is going to tell you things but you can't tell anything.

Until Vicente is judged and eventually until he dies, more or less, those are the terms and they tell me the fourth thing, which was the reason why he was looking for me. Gage is looking for me. Hello, why is Vicente telling him to go and look for why this is us? is going to believe our story, this is the only one who, based on what the drug lords wrote, is the only one who is going to say that she is not going to see me, that she is not going to think that I am crazy, she is not going to want to leave me, she is going to believe me and The story was that the Sinaloa Cartel had collaborated with the American Anti-Drug Agency for at least the last nine years.

In fact, there was an agreement between Mayo Chapeau Vicentillo and others that in exchange for protection they would help the DEA to hunt down the zetas to all the enemies to the Arellano Félix and many others in exchange for protection and the truth is when he told me this it did not seem absurd to me because I had already published the drug lords the chapter about raising crows as he did it helps to connect pablo escobar with oscar with the sinaloa prayer for at least three successes I don't know it didn't seem absurd to me what I said so that I can say even a line of what you are telling me I need documents here the story begins that is to say this It was important to clarify the voice of the audience because you believed Gaxiola because you believed Vicente and how you received both the oral testimonies and the documents and a diary that Vicente also sent you, his own notes are very interesting, that must be To clarify it, the lawyer's mission was for me to understand these agreements with the anti-drug agency because the vicenillo wanted what he wanted.

You had promised me this, now you fulfill it for me. What is happening there is being studied. You had promised me this. later in Mexico City in 2009 hours after he had met at the Sheraton Hotel in Mexico City next to the American Embassy in one of these rooms with three DEA agents people couldn't believe but because the idea He sits down with some record traffickers that he is supposed to be looking for, well that happened and after that meeting they even arrest Vicente. Because at that time there was already this war between the Beltrán Leyva, just as King Zambada did not really stop him, the Mexican government stopped him, the enemies of the Sinaloa Cartel stopped him.

Yes, like Alfredo Beltrán Leyva, it is not that he really did it, but in that context it was Vicente is detained but Vicente signs his extradition and says ok as a beginning why did something bad happen to me here no if there they are going to treat me like a prince and when he arrives well no this is the origin of the information and now he has seen a cut made and return me to the 70s because those who tell you gaxiola and what they say is current is information that I would say covers gaps that those who have investigated the history of organized crime, especially in the late 70s, were missing and I see in this book fundamental keys then let me go to court and we will return to talk about ismael

zambada

's space in 1970 a young year who has a capable brother-in-law and who has the necessary connectors to ascend the criminal ladder we are with

anabel

hern

ández we are talking about the traitor you will put the Whatever name you want, I have mine but let's talk now in a moment more about the biography of Ismael Zambada García This is the eighth I'm Ricardo Raphael and here at the Guadalajara International Book Fair one of the books that immediately caused a scandal broke the doors is speaking in these hallways at all hours is the traitor Anabel Hernández and a fortune for me for our audience is the possibility of going deeper into some of the arguments and if I can assure you in anything we tell you here it will be just the tip of the iceberg of the book that you have to read does not solve the reading what we are talking about here the biography of ismael

zambada

garcía is very interesting, let's see, you also start with very literary anecdotes about a boy who washed the tires of these trucks that harvested sugarcane. of sugar from the sugar mills, that is, and his life began with his success at the age of 13, when he fell madly in love with awoman 33 years older than the intelligent, beautiful angel who will end up being Vicente's mother and suddenly his modest sister marries a Puerto Rican Cuban and Antonio Cruz Vázquez will clarify his origin for me, who is the one who changes his life and the story of sinaloa and drug trafficking in mexico let's see tell us about this character please nikko del brother-in-law or today or mine no name antonio cruz vásquez de mico in the 1970s at the beginning of the 1970s in the United States what was mainly consumed in At that time, in some era of heroin, there was already a group of Cubans who were controlled in the market, at least in Los Angeles.

In this hotel casino, Caesar's Palace, there was a VIP client, and he was precisely the only one, Antonio Antonio Cruz Vásquez, a tall, well-built man. He was very educated, no, not the stereotype of the drug trafficker that people may have in their heads, no, and he bet large amounts of money, he moved around in luxury vehicles or so, he also liked to have access to women in this hotel, the hotel bought him and came to lose 2 million dollars just like someone who wipes the crumbs from his beard does not really smile, he was not a man who squandered money, a very inconspicuous man, how is an individual involved in the criminal enterprise of the poppy going to give to Sinaloa? and he falls in love with modesta called the sister of the tire cleaner Nico like many of the drug traffickers on this planet he was first a police officer but he was a police officer during the time of Fidel Castro he was in the police there in Cuba surely later he got bored of that austerity regime surely That was not his thing and that is how he tries to get into drugs.

He is in the United States. He is arrested at first because he does not have very good fortune in this type of criminal business until finally, some do not stop. After one of his arrests, he goes to mexico well stop well to seek fortune to see now that they meet and arrives in culiacán and meets modesta zambada she is a very attractive woman with an interesting hole as she was later see if one sees the physiognomy of

mayo

zambada and vicente they are people that I would say in terms Objectives attractive Sinaloans are handsome but look if they are not probably more 0 Mayo is not necessarily Sinaloan in fact you know what they say albur when I started when Juanmi Gaxiola tells me that Mayo is already in confidence because they saw each other so often well that the May corrupted his own secret codes and began to tell Gaxiola things that he had never told himself.

I began to look for this Cuban brother-in-law, where is he because the story that we had told in Mexico that he had told was totally different, I began to say, "They're looking at my face." This makes sense and I start looking for the brother-in-law. We find him and I find him in articles from the New York Times and the Washington Post when finally in 1937 77 was arrested by the DEA and in the court file you find the names of the older man's sister. I consulted the judicial aspects but New York did and in different reports it indicated that the suppliers of this heroin that Niko distributed in the US came from this Zambada family but there were even those who had doubts and the Zambadas were also from Cuban origin, look, there is a possibility that there is a choice, Cuban, not Zambada.

When you see the physiognomy of Mayo Zambada, he is not the typical one without consent, number one. It does not mean that he is a Martian, but he is not a typical Sinaloan. This is what they said in the criminal files. to whom the 'new york times' did have access, mayo zambada says that he was born in el álamo and in culiacán but it is also true that according to the intelligence areas the mexican government had at least five legal personalities because it has 50 55 birth certificates different organs you would have a date of birth that is quite likely to be January of '49 that is why today he is 70 years old and at that moment he stops raising it so his brother-in-law shows him the business and it is a time where the small criminal enterprise from very small Sinaloa headed by Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo or an individual who had worked with Leopoldo Celis to consolidate the empire and until now what we knew is that Miguel Ángel was the boss of bosses and that somehow he dated many of those who later They would be important including Ismael Zambada but the book says there is a kind of independence of Ismael Sambada from Félix and that leaves me a little impressed because that is the news I had never read it is what one learns that is what I am learning watching the records of nico nico did not do business with félix gallardo nico was already a capo there in las vegas and mayo zambada his really criminal career criminal does not begin in culiacán los angeles begins and years later he would show off at drug dealer meetings you don't know what It is one to traffic in Los Angeles to take the drug yourself to Chicago.

It was founded in Los Angeles, California, not in Culiacán, Sinaloa. When Donald Trump says, the Mexican cartels will have to correct, are they the American cartels based in Mexico or some national cartels in the United States and other cartels that actually were born in Mexico are a combination of collaboration, you detect and somewhere misinformation had emerged that there is a compadrazgo relationship between Ismael Zambada García and Miguel Ángel Félix, that is, in that generation where Prince Caro Quintero would be younger. the net not in our fonseca here it would also be in May and you days the greatest in a kind of link between that business in the US and what was happening in pointed out at that time in Sinaloa but with Félix Gallardo in May the mayo zambada the parents did not Do you think there was a relationship that was not just friendship but green governed the documents, that's not why when Félix Caro Quintero played where it was due to the issue of Camarena's, that's not what didn't affect Ismael because he was with his business, that's the interesting question.

You 34 more or less heads maybe high let's add someone else esparragoza but let me let those four heads Enrique let's see 'operation condor' happens which in fact taking these heights was a simulation and then years later a few years later comes the kidnapping and murder from Kiki Camarena because he says this and discovers the links between the mafias on the borders of the two countries. The original version is because he discovers that there were Caro Quintero crops in Chihuahua and how he discovers those crops, send a pilot and here you Camarena You say they didn't kill him because he started against these connections, well I'm not saying it, the DEA says it in a report that I have copies of that report where they say the CIA killed him along with Rafael Caro Quintero and these, but why Enrique Enrique Camarena? had fired that the CIA was collaborating with Colombia and Mexico to traffic this drug in the United States with the cold pragmatism of these resources and Jan to feed the Nicaraguan contras.

I have to make a clarification here, the sources are so impeccably cited in the work, so I have this document, there is that document that I most understand that you are going to upload it to a page so that it is accessible, a stroke of luck in May, above all, he is a man of Lucky, that is to say, you have these operators in Sinaloa who all fall, first of all, expensive, then they grab Fonseca and finally Miguel Ángel Félix and then the very young May becomes the Lord's Prayer, pressed badly, the good Scottish film and he is at the age of hierarchy who somehow has to make an agreement with the other borders with the Arellano Félix in Tijuana with beloved Carrillo who at the time was also his godson and then they bring a young boy it seems like it was the blue one who took him asparagus because he is El Chapo but initially he already takes control of the company or he gets stressed talking about the early 80's without anyone knowing what's wrong with him and he is a man who has always been able to deal with political power with the government, not fighting but confronting but always taking the advantage of the ally, not of the enemy, no, he himself has his own codes, which is, for example, what Gage told me.

Hello, by May it is very clear, it is useless that we fight with the government, they are always going to have more bullets and it is an indisputable thing. That's why I read when I've been there they tell us it didn't exceed the sign, well that's very difficult to believe because if the largest state, as May says, the government will always have more bullets than a sign in the strict and probably even numerical sense of the word well. During the 80s Félix Gallardo falls the hypothesis at least of Vicente's son the arguments that you have the documents is that in networks the mayo who emerges is in no way the rag it is he who emerges and if he sets some rules he does not ask for rights The apartment does not kidnap, it does not extort, let's say right now we are going to talk about whether or not it kills relatives of drug traffickers, but yes, the 80s are moments where the opera under the gutter is a bit like the Italians ask, do whatever you want on the street, but he did.

He doesn't understand under the gutter but on the street they don't touch civilians, this was his code, let him raise it until the lawsuit he had in the 90s that he doesn't know, plain yep and I would add another thing that he was a visionary man if there is something No, he is a terrible criminal, but if there is something that this criminal has, and I think that is why in half a century of being a criminal he has never been in jail, it is that he is a visionary, unlike the other bosses, he may immediately use this dirty money that He started to create legal businesses, companies, companies.

I'm going to tell you something. Yesterday I talked to a person who knows Vicente Carllo, the son of Amado Carrillo Fuentes, the director of No of Amado Carllo, he was a techno. Vicente Carllo, his son, No, he didn't do the job. service only brother the son supposedly loved had millions and millions and millions of dollars himself vicenillo himself nothing like before he died he sent a plane loaded with millions to chile he was the super millionaire now the boy is asking that someone please buy him He gives him the rights to his father's name and revives everything.

Metrix needs money for money. Let's see, a lot has been said and that in May, Vicentino, his wife, can say anything but not that they need money and have legal businesses to be able to live off of it. For life here, for generations it has been said that the development of Sinaloan tomato and vegetable agriculture, that is, everything that goes from the Sierra de Berja Watteau to the coast in Buena Vida, has been financed by this income left by the poppy. There has been no evidence. of this except that there someone was found to be beneficiaries of procampo all these cases are mentioned the government gave them support you trust that they have been promoters of the development of sinaloa the agricultural and agroindustrial part of sinaloa I would not talk about impulse what I would tell you I can say according to the documents that I had and what the gas itself and the plane traveled through the empire of the territorial empire, its legal businesses is that I do not know if this has benefited, it has not been because you say it promoted the economic program, it spills over to us economically What I can tell you is that he invested money, a lot of dirty money, in legal businesses that work today.

They export meat. They export vegetables. This will generate some type of jobs. Surely, yes, this means a boost for the state. I associated with businessmen who They may have been their façade, since you said that they export meat, I started to think about one or the other, anyway, with a downspout, yes, yes, atom, you detect their commercial links, well, I didn't detect them, only I would tell you that there are investigations by the Pentagon in the US on These links, the Mexican wifi has not found them, I don't know, what I can tell you is that currently there are current contracts between the links, always a May company where with our taxes we pay several million pesos and they are current contracts, I don't know.

If the UIS has detected that, no, it is not very difficult because our companies are always in front of the happy child, it has been bulletined by the OFAC for many years and there we are with the conventional, for example, May's wife, making investments as high in amounts as possible. That the financial system does not throw red light on this lady who is Zambada-Nibla is investing a lot of money, where did a lady get it from who in the minutes with Novara with the notary and you see that one has to say no because I am Anabel Hernández born to date What does boyfriend Johnny Depp do?

I am a journalist. What does Mrs. Rosario do? A housewife and with capital of 60 million pesos. 71 You say that I am an industrial engineer and I created this product and this is what I am referring to. It is unjustifiable that this woman is woman handle these resources they have the terrible 90s it strikes me that the episode of colosio is not in these stories he did not tell you anything in action lake you did not prefer there is no line at all nothing links the murder of colosio with this criminal enterprise or any other no good, no, they don't even blame it on the Arellano Félix no no no no Arellano Félix, let's see, there are two cartels that begin to become insubordinate at that moment, on the one hand, Osiel Cárdenas, who brings his own rope, I'm not going to go into this further and On the Tijuana side, those who are not nephews but always presumed to be nephews of Félix Gallardo, the Arellano Félix are several brothers, that is, the border between the US and Mexico, what passes for suicide in Tijuana, is ours and leaves out the rest of the negotiation, Esparragoza is trying to do There is a type of agreement that is not achieved and Maggio decides to change his relationship with those other companies.

There is the Christine episode and there are episodes like the one with Canal Posadas that would explain to you an already frontal war between these two criminal companies that Gaxiola told you. What did Israel say to you? Let's say from these testimoniesWhat I understood is that for a long time, like Ismael, a criminal empire began to be created in Los Angeles and Los Angeles to this day is a very important plaza as important as Culiacán, it is on the Sinaloa cartel in Los Angeles for the Sinaloa cartel. Sinaloa, the winery is in Los Angeles, the command is in Culiacán, well, no, there is also a winery, the winery is also Culiacán, if you read carefully everything that Vicentillo and Mexico City wrote, but let's say that these three cities are the wineries and operational centers. nodals for the Sinaloa cartel like like Los Ángeles was very important Mayo and his families shoot Chayito his wife his children before we could do drugs along the Colorado River it is not passing through Cristian there and then between Los Ángeles and Tijuana it developed the life of this family of Ismael el Mayo Zambada one good day the Arellano Félix who were his partners were not his employees they were not his bosses they were like partners and they said to him well what do you think well I didn't like it anymore this is mine well like that like that It is yours, yes, if it is not yours, no, in any case it is ours or in any case it is mine, no, and there begins a war between the Arellano Félix and Ismael el Mayo Zambada Ismael el Mayo Zambada when he decides to leave when the Arellano Félix make an attempt on life by vicente zambada fog when he was 16 years old we opened there is a parenthesis vicente no one asked him if he wanted to be a drug trafficker no one asked him if he wanted to be an operator for his father he was born there he grew up there fate took him maybe this cover has to do with that it is interesting there is this The cover, as we said, is a self-portrait of Vicente Zambada Nieve when he was incarcerated at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago and well, it is shocking to see that a drug trafficker of this level because sometimes when one of his writings arrived at a time when Vicente Zambada was making the decisions That Chapo himself, but that someone with traffickers paints himself, sees himself in this way is really disturbing and it raises a lot of questions and when you read what he writes and people have to read it because well it's controversial but I wanted to At the end of the day, respect the diary because I don't know, I'm not the one who should say whether these feelings of Vincentillo were real or not, because in addition, this diary that he writes was not supposed to reach anyone's hands, an intimate thing because he He is constantly saying I don't want to, I didn't want to be there, I always tried to get away but every time I got away my father pulled me closer to him, he said I don't like these criminal businesses but at the same time he adored his father a little like this.

Stockholm syndrome only that he has been kidnapped since the first breath he took in the world, no, you say a tragic clown, well yes, because he is a this boy, when he was born in 1975, his father was already a great boss, he was a boss and he was born a prince, they would say. some discoveries prince or slave of the same short and on the way back we take the last stretch of the history of the nineties to another still very tragic present of 2019 we have a long journey ahead do not leave this is the eighth about the fallen Rafael is talking to Anabel Hernández about the traitor with capital letters and Rafael was at the Guadalajara International Book Fair talking about the traitor, I think very quickly it generated news that I spoke to speak and I stayed in the 90s, you have a May who decides to proceed against the nine brothers Arellano and in effect eliminate them there is a mutation if res amada had not yet proceeded to those measures and it is likely that that is the moment in which the tragedy of this war on drugs that we still observe today began to be marked if I think Yes, it is a very specific antecedent because although it was a violence that sometimes exploded and was sometimes silent, this resentment between Mayo and the Arellano Félix family for having attempted against the life of the son that he loved so much, he was his first son, is not the greatest.

Because he has sisters, he has sisters who also gave birth to his first child with Rosario Nieve Pérez and when you see them, they are like two drops of water. They are not really very similar. and these people are sometimes not always very easy to read in their feelings but apparently at least from what he expressed to Gaxiola and from what this son Ismael expressed, yes he loved his son, his son Vicente and when they shoot him he decides to retire and walk. Imagine, he cares so much about his son that he decides to retire, he goes to Culiacán, when the Arellano Félix continue attacking, they even go to Culiacán and try to enter the house where Vicentillo is and kill him, he sends him to Cancún, 19 17 years old, but it is an issue that he vicentillo that ismael would never ever forgive him so for example when there is this attack on christina where the world all know well it was el chapo guzmán it was el güero palma but the one who gave the popcorn was mayo zambada who never gets his hands dirty very directly but he always finds a way for someone to do the dirty work there appears the use sometimes his own son has to do the dirty work that the father himself did not talk about the man there appears the chapo appears for the first time in an attack on Christina and then in This meeting, the airport where Cardinal Posadas would have been murdered by mistake, is where El Chapo appears, puts it in Mayo, Zambada, whoever places it there, or is it luck again, like in this one at this airport, or whoever hands it over to the government, how does it happen that El Chapo Guzmán is He became famous after this lawsuit that was between Zambada and the Arellanos.

I think I made him famous at that time, beloved, yes, beloved, Carrillo Fuentes, who at that time was Chapo's direct boss. El Chapo until that moment did not work directly for Mayo, but as the Mayo was Amado's boss and El Chapo worked for Amado and Amado. If El Chapo wanted to carry out this attack on Christina, in the end, who had to give the final approval, that is, to say yes or no, it was Mayo. Yes, Amorio worked for Mayo and Amado. whoever tells the government of Carlos Salinas, you know that this chapo is here, I saw gara, what he is is called whoever puts it and that was published in the book the drug lords by a document that I had from a lawyer who worked for loved one who says I I was there when Neck Trejo arrived and said what do we do in the 90s but the moments in years where there are left to eliminate the Arellano Felix Amado loses his life after the surgery this failed early 2000s is almost the Cárdenas to say May is left again like this In the 80s alone and El Chapo was locked up, that is, he was once again the forceful head when Vicente Fox came to power and there are accounts of the relationship he established with Vicente Fox in which you can narrate Gage Hello, he shared part of the documents that he shared with me, it is a judicial file where at the end of Ernesto Zedillo's government, someone from the PGR had the idea of ​​going to carry out an arrest warrant against Mayo Zambada in one of these properties of his legal empire, they arrived and seized the property, which was not in the name of the wife of rosario fog and a judicial dispute begins from the beginning it was a simulation because when the government seizes a property it never puts it in the hands of the same owner to manage in this case the position in the hands of the people of mayo zambada himself to manage The ranch that the PGR was supposed to have confiscated because it was the origin of drug trafficking, there begins a story.

This began in the Berne government at the end of our government. I said when I arrived at Vicente Fox, miraculously, it is no longer necessary to continue the judicial case because They will immediately return the property to you, please excuse me, we did not want to disturb the lady, the lady, the wife of Mayo Zambada and that is when one sees this power relationship before, I must say, before Vicente Fox came to power, Mayo Zambada already had Direct contacts with Los Pinos I would be lying if I said that Mayor Zambada's contacts with Los Pinos began with Vicente Fox.

The first time his son, this boy who looks like a clown, went to have breakfast at Los Pinos, it was in 1998 when Ernesto Zedillo was president of The republic arrives and says, imagine the drug trafficker's son, and by that date there were already preliminary investigations in public opinion. Not much was known. They have May, but there were already preliminary investigations by the Anáhuac bank and other laundering businesses and other money laundering matters. However, this son of the capi, I don't know any other capo who has done this, he is not Arellano Félix or they did not meet there, not with car floor because of the situation, but this boy arrives and there is the presidential guard who opens the way for him as if he were I don't know about one of these visitors on an official visit, and he arrives at Los Pinos and meets with the chief of the presidential staff and there the breakfast at Los Pinos at the contact level was from May before and after Vicente arrived at that same headquarters. de la concha is the one who would have returned this property to ismael zambada's wife, how does that attorney who was also a relative of vicente fox's children behave in front of his ex-wife, well let's say that when vicente fox becomes president it is as if the cartel Sinaloa, which I repeat already had various contacts at the highest level, the lottery was won automatically, Chapo Guzmán leaves prison, the goods are the verb, leave, no, no escape, no, because he didn't escape from prison, it's not said that they tell you about geo. old age of those outings gaxiola that the story that I met vicente vicente vicentillo was diverse was diverse in the trial of el chapo guzmán vicentillo said no el chapo guzmán went out through the laundry cart and it was the story as they told it that is what vicentillo He says at the trial, but the accountant, Mayo Zambada's brother, King Zambada tells a very different story, he says, well, to me, my brother, three months before El Chapo escaped, already told me that if he sees the escape then or did he escape because of the incident? of a floor cleaner who told him 20 copper rags from you, let's leave in an instant or a matter planned for months, as the accountant said, it seems to me that this type of topic is still a legend, what is true is that Mario Arturo Acosta Chaparro met with el mayo zambada and with el chapo guzmán by orders of felipe calderón at the meeting vicente zambada was present at the meeting who tells in his own handwriting to those who in his diary where he says that he brought mario arturo acosta chaparro to tell him 'excuse me that I don't bother you, my friends, I come to ask a favor.

The president of the republic asks you for a favor while Mr. Calderón said that he was fighting a war against drug trafficking. We are talking about Calderón's six-year term to ask you for favors. The point is, you ask me about the escape to my Maria Arturo Acosta Chaparro told me that in that meeting that Vicente corroborated was true, it was real, it was not an invention by Marjah Tours Acosta Chaparro, Chaparo would have told him that he had paid more than 20 million dollars in bribes to Vicente's government fox to let him out of prison now at that moment there is an already open war between the different criminal companies and there is information that says that this war was actually started by a dispute over the price of cocaine, that is to say that the mayo zambada He wanted all Mexican criminal companies to guarantee a minimum price and that there were those who were willing to play between Cali and Medellín so that that price would be broken and that is the origin of the attempt to build the federation and the failure of the federation that tells you of those years 2000 it is with fox that is when the bomb really exploded I do not have any reference about that I must say that vicente does not comment on any of that nor does gage himself comment on it or the what is true and it sounds logical is that when the Chapo gets out of prison and the Mayo is urgently called and the Mayo is called to the Beltrán Leyva and he calls 'nacho colonel' and he calls others even if he is not Cárdenas at that moment or if he according to the information that I have and here According to Vicentillo, it really comes about how the war with the Gulf Cartel broke out, but at that moment or if he was not invited at that table, not from this federation, he brought his war with the Arellano Félix and Mayo Zambada, he was not going to forgive them for what they I know about the war with our no longer Felix, it is not because they were forced to set a price for cocaine but because they had wanted to kill not only his son but other children, other relatives had killed his brother Vicente Zambada García in Cancun At the door of their house there were actually many many offenses that the Arellano Félix did not mention at any time that it was to stabilize the market price of the price of cocaine.

The truth is that there was no mention of this nor in the documents nor in the now however you mention the attempt to consolidate the federation in a way of pacifying that would have pacified the country would not have led us to the war that we lived but it is peaceful it was that is the that is the point when it was said it was over his government and you can see it the statistics I say I'm not saying it I person is not there the violence statistics the country was pacified when Ernesto Zedillo's government ended because it had been pax mafia where the government allowed everyone to operate quietly in exchange for a series of corruption at many levels.

When Vicente Fox arrives, he changes the balance of the game and instead of giving protection to all the cartels, he marries the Sinaloa cartel. It is Vicente Fox who, through the mes y mexico program, surely begins the invasion of Tijuana. and the invasion of new Laredo begins and that's when these criminal groups that for a while had been more or less peaceful and there were a few shootouts but then everything was calm, especially among them, they said, you're not going to take away our territory, excuse me, that is, you're not going to take away our territory. we have passed itwon by blood and fire I have zambada winds supported by the government manages to use the government to eliminate shadows it is correct and now we know that not only the government of Mexico but also something that our country is a dedicated policy from Washington that is a question I don't I know if you ask me with certainty, this this book is made of certainties of things that I was able to corroborate and verify and that Vicente Sanz writes in his own handwriting, otherwise I have no elements of the Mexican government from your point of view.

It has had autonomy for its anti-drug policy. I think that yes, I think that it has margin for autonomy. Yes, I think about it. of his war since it's bad what it should be called because of the drugs that he tells you about that next six-year term 2006 2012 well then there they have the secretary of public security genaro garcía luna in their pocket where many of the operatives that to capture you will remember that the President Calderón drew up a list of the most of the 100 non-priority targets, no, and who were going to marry here.

Vicentillo tells us what these intelligence tasks of Genaro García León will consist of in the federal police and the information army. that he gave me that but to guarantee that they really did good because they were very corrupt but sometimes ineffective in these commands there were members of the Sinaloa cartel they went with the federal police to capture them to blow up the houses of the In those years the rupture occurred between the Beltrán Leyva and El Chapo but I saw it makes me review your book now it was between May and the Beltrán Leyva what happens and so on that is a horrible peak of violence in 2008 it is really clear to me and it will be clear to you to read this book 'El Chapo' Guzmán had no autonomy whatever he had to decide he had to consult with Mayo Zambada when someone had a problem with him with El Chapo he would not go and talk to El Chapo arrive they would go to El Chapo's owner today El Chapo would not tell you Worry, I'll take care of it, I'm sorry, you only take care of who is under your orders, that is, it was the eldest who declared war against the Beltráns versus I think they were growing too much and the May say something that he doesn't like is sharing the money. and that is why here comes now this meeting that you had with Acosta Chaparro and the Beltrán Leyva had infiltrated the attorney general's office of the republic and Genaro García Luna does this operation clean hands to uncover that that complicity that is a very complicated moment let's not forget that when the federation was created in 2001, the Beltrán Leyva were part of this agreement of friends during 2001 to 2008 while the federation lived, the Beltrán Leyva were untouchable, this armor that protected the elder Chapo also protected the Beltrán Leyva when May and Chapó breaks with the Beltrán Leyva, the government inside was fractured because monolithically they had worked for the federation and now it is like the divorce between the father who goes with the father and the mother and one went with the Beltrán Leyva and others left They went with the maggio and that's when you can really see it.

The statistics of the violence are crazy because it was a titan against a titan because at that time Arturo Beltrán Leyva had his own contacts in Colombia. He really trafficked a large amount of drugs. He had his autonomy and he could behave and he has infiltrated a part of the government that belonged to him and he could wage this bloody war that cost so many lives and again May wins again and remains once again as a factotum like the godfather the program goes and I have two routes very important thing to do the first after this long tour that you did with drug headquarters now with the traitor of all the information you have you can answer with certainty if it was the state that caused the state in which we find ourselves of the situation in which What do we find if in the state we are understanding the Mexican institutions that are responsible for protecting the lives of the people who are the custodians of the legality of national security and of all these factors that are what make up a democratic state and not a republic? banana plantation or a narco-state, I would tell you that if the Mexican state is penetrated, corrupted according to Vicenillo himself, 99% corrupted, 99 percent, we are talking about that if there is obviously there is the main and the main responsible is the Mexican state headed by different rulers throughout all this time the last ship when julio scherer met with mayo zambada many projects ask if that was ethical after reading your book I have no doubt not only is it ethical it is urgent and to interview them because there are We have to get information from what is there behind what you call the other side of the nebula.

We have to go to the prisons. We have to go to the security prisons. We have to go with these sources to do a job that we journalists have not done. well I won't speak for myself but in our union we have to say that 99 percent are not, not only would our union say, the government itself has to completely replant this way in which it is seeing the problem, it has to see it with a much more global vision, not in this small tiny country that can be Mexico compared to the other 70% of the world in which the Sinaloa cartel has a presence, it has to learn from other experiences of those in other countries such as Italy where these protected witnesses can give key information that is not used politically as Felipe Calderón did but really strategically to dismantle these these organizations and since the government until now has not done so, this is the traitor's attempt to generate an implosion within the Sinaloa cartel and to generate in some other way that everyone the secrets of this cartel, including the betrayals committed over a long time, I am sure that many who are in prison or their relatives who are outside or many who are today embracing the may, not counting the millions they have earned, know who put them to know why their relatives or their brothers or their friends or themselves ended up in prison if they had doubts after reading the traitor I no longer have doubts about who the traitor is Anabel what I can tell you is that any strategy future to give peace to this country will not be able to ignore reading your book, it seems to me that what is being discussed today requires these documents requires these reflections and this deeply rigorous journalism.

I congratulate you not only for what you discovered but for the method that you used well we are leaving this is the eighth I thank you very much for having accompanied us this intense afternoon with this conversation and well tomorrow in 88 one here on television at 3 in the afternoon thank you very much every night