Dr Sue Black | CarpoolJun 02, 2021
numerically dyslexic and you are very clever in proposing such things so that 53 is the ore smiles and the one is but come on I think I want to explain because I think I met you for the first time you actually parked yeah which was amazing and amazing audience really big audience yes which sold out very quickly yes yes i think i want to explain - well even young people in this country may not have a full understanding of the story but also for many foreign viewers what is Bletchley Park and what role did it play in the last war which is it and what and 90 what role did it play in the war, but then what it led to, which is partly why people can see that it's such a vital part of that history, so it was the Cracking codes is a pleasure.
The code breakers work during WWII so I thought it was amazing because I had this idea before I went there that Bletchley Park was this place. I only knew a little about him so I broke the code. rs and I thought of 40 year old guys in tweed jackets sitting around smoking pipes doing the Times crossword puzzle that's what I thought it would be so I found out the first time I went there that actually over 10,000 people didn't do it anymore half as many as women so I was very happy for yes and yes it was an absolute revelation the work that was done there was said by I think Eisenhower shortened the war by two years and at that time about eleven million people were dying a year so it's just you know it's incomprehensible yes I'm saving potentially 22 million laughs the work that was done there but what happened was at the end of the war Churchill ordered well I mean all the time that were there everyone was told they would not.
I have to say something so that husbands and wives did not. They were both working now and people just knew who was working right next to them in the same house or in the same area and they didn't know who they were, they just knew who it was. small part of the process apart from a couple of people you obviously had an overview of the whole thing most people only knew the small part of what they were doing they didn't know where things came from where they were going to help writing this part of this incredible chain of people working messages that were being sent by the nazis by the nazis in the military.
I think I'm also from Japan, so many were experts in German. of the people there it's just amazing even now and they kept quiet about me not knowing anything about it when I was a kid and oh my gosh you know he was very active in WWII okay presumably I'm getting information from but he he wouldn't have known yeah so Churchill called him he called them the geese that laid the golden eggs but they never called and then there's the Enigma machine I mean I know it's connected to that but they had so repair machines were used in Germany to feel and they did it ac Finally he cracked the Enigma code so there were three published mathematicians who worked on it and I think the French had something to do with it too and then I think all of that happened to Bletchley Park so you know they had a lot of information but they didn't have all the information it all has to do with the rotors inside the Enigma machine so it looks like a typewriter yes these rotors fell they changed every day so I didn't know where they started and that made everything a lot more complicated because every day you had to figure out what the rotor setup was so even if you had the machine and you but you didn't have the code to put it, start with you better, but if it was indeed the birthplace of computing in a new way, does that mean that's what really came about?
Yeah, so Colossus was invented by a guy named Tommy Flowers and he was brought to the park to help with the code-breaking efforts and that's the first programmable digital computer and no one else the Americans haven't the Russians and but it's like everyone They'll talk about the first computer but it's been how you define your computer and just so you know there are I don't know how many but there are plenty of contenders for first speaker but I think the thing with this might be that it was the first programmable digital computer. obviously at the time all the code breakers weren't very well known, people know I thought maybe in their circles because they got kicked out of the universities. math, yeah, math, cryptography, linguists, languages, and then of course all the workforce that was there to do, you know, generate all these answers using like the bomb machines and Colossus is the bomb machine.
They got me it wasn't a bomb making machine yeah but the first time it's a bomb with an emu yeah and at the end of the war Churchill ordered them all destroyed so I think so I think actually some machines. I went to GCHQ but it wasn't my home until recently so everyone thought everything was destroyed so how do you rebuild something where there's no evidence and I think there's like a couple of photos and order? of some work done, I think, and bits and pieces of maybe a bit of a blueprint or something. I don't have exactly what he said, but it was like a mini mall.
No more information. They managed to rebuild it and many of the pieces. I think on the original machine they were made from phone exchange stuff like the switching systems so they managed to find a lot of parts like that and they also had to have some custom made parts because now we use metric and so some some of the I don't know not the sports whatever, they wouldn't be the right size, but they're amazing, you know? So I walked into a room that was mostly filled with no women, right? So I thought, well, I wonder what we're going to talk about the same. which you know because I want to know how they did it at Bletchley Park, um, you know what it was like to work there, so we sat down and talked and talked with various women and we had amazing things, conversations, so you know talking. about the things that they did there that were really interesting, but for me the most interesting things were the things that really helped me understand how they felt to them, yeah, so I said, do you know what you did outside of work? one of them said to another do you remember that time when we stole the Vickers bike to go down baby a lot of the women were conscious women you know they were girls yeah from 17 or 18 wives being young in something we used to go and sunbathe topless in the roof He used to fly and dive over the top to get a good view oh great so RAF pilots used to get in trouble but you know so these 18 year old girls don't tell him anything no one, no, it's extraordinary. that made it keep any level of secrecy but also to keep it after the war I mean there would have been people who then carried on if families had young kids had grandkids they never said anything yeah I think some of the top code breakers codes. of them I'm not very good with names so I can't name one major breakwater who died without more than one yes but Kelsey Griffin director of operations at Bletchley Park you know you walk with her she will it says. these stories of all these people working so you like to walk around crying yeah because it's such touching things you know it's like this guy who didn't tell his um his dad said something like oh you never got to much like when his father was on his deathbed and even then he didn't tell him what he had done that and that he had been one of the magic breakers at Bletchley Park it's just goosebumps they're just talking about it and you know this mass sacrifice really yes they saw there were their stories of couples who had worked at Bletchley Park and got married not knowing they both worked at Bletchley Park never saying no maybe it was official that they were right to say something and then I ask you and then you know what they probably weren't there, they were 25 and then when they're 55 you know all of a sudden the gang rises up and one of them plucks up the courage to Tell the other Lord you know why I worked at Bletchley Park, how influential it was on the development of informatics and computers.
You know that after the war, there were a lot of people who worked there. who did what if h yeah i think he's like a lot of these people and i think my applause you know some people realize that what he was doing and saying was amazing and pivotal at the time and he was gay yeah yeah parents have a pretty healthy homophobia, so a gay mathematician a brainiac back at GCHQ wouldn't have been. I can only listen to my TED talk but then I want to say what a hard life and I want to say he was young he didn't even talk to me to himself yeah but I think the jury is still out. it was about how he died you mean no if it was a suicide relax sure i can see some people saying he often did experiments so he could have had cyanide as part of what he was doing he had it in his hands. and then he forgot to eat the apple until his hands or something corrected the suicide yeah so no we don't know that's right you know kids yeah and I think I see Max Newman testify at the trial of Cheering in his defense, because he was Cheering, he was a friend. from the right of the father because that has been forgotten by him when he was on trial, but because of his homosexuality, I guess attitudes changed, okay, but just the thought that someone has seen some people very recently where I have been here so much like in america which was basically saying people aren't that upset it stops being important which is yeah the best there really is in a form where it's not important and you judge people by what they like , not because of what they mean, it was also so absurd that if you were gay and you got caught for it and sent to prison, yes, which is what you have to choose between going to prison or chemical castration, so he chose chemical castration through the breasts, I mean, can you imagine how that makes me feel guilty? the number of Brits, you know, the security services and they all kept it low-key, one didn't speak human, he worked, so I asked Newman if he had any recollection of cheering, so he said, you know, something like yeah, because he came to our house often you know a family friend growing up he was an amazing runner and also a marathon runner wow i think he almost qualified for the olympics in his time this is my you know if there ever was a man who It was kind of vital.
Oh God like you, you seem to be good at everything, so it was him, so cheering, he ran from his house into Newman's hands. seeing abundance from the door so he and he had nothing to leave her a message so she got a blade and a stick this is something she knows so there are so many rounds yeah now she got a little bored watching it's the top -Secret WWII would have allowed to do this in the old days where this is Bletchley Park says welcome to Bletchley Park straight ahead I don't remember any of this so if I was there it was a different entrance Yes if you say hello Okay, go to Simon, okay, yeah right.
Well thank you well that's very good for you you know safety and you can get anywhere now well that's brilliant thank you very much see that's really thank you very good great adventure very well excellent we can have lunch but thank you very much for participating bye
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