Doctor Reacts to Middle Ground: Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine

I wish there was more compassion, no we don't want to do something difficult, we just want to be recognized, my daughter was a victim and is being punished. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Wednesday's checkup. Sorry, we're in a crazy rage. carpet space here today on YouTube, but I wanted to post this video ASAP when I heard there was a video made between anti-

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and pro-

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people. I decided to watch it and give you my live reaction here the first time. Watching it I'm Bob Sears I'm a pediatrician A pediatrician who is against vaccines. Interesting, his passion is simply to help encourage full, foreign consent for vaccines.

He doesn't sound like he's against vaccines. He said he is in favor of informed consent. I think all

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s should at least be in favor of informed consent. I'm curious to know where this goes. I was vaccinated as a child, but my last vaccine was about 15 years ago when I went back to college and I had a severe reaction and became arthritic. The hands went to a lot of

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s and no one knew what was happening and why it was happening and then they just shot like it doesn't make sense you're too young to have arthritis and it wasn't until I had kids and I kind of did my own research for them Many answers began to emerge and I think it is unfortunate that many of them are overlooked.

I guess maybe I'll take part in this. This might be a good way to do it. I am vaccinated if I had to. If you had children, they would be vaccinated and I am a doctor who is pro-vaccine and becoming an anti-vaccine activist based on your own experience of having a negative result from a vaccine. To me it's not wise and I'll point out why I think if you look at the statistical evidence among the harms that can come from vaccines because there are some harms and then look at what you're essentially preventing, what the benefits are, what diseases you're preventing by getting a vaccine, there are so many benefits it's horrible. that this happened to the mother and the activists, but it should not be the only reason why someone believes that vaccines are bad and is anti-vaccine.

I will acknowledge this, of course, as a pediatrician. I know that vaccines work. I know that giving you protection today varies a lot and what that protection is is not like a 100% magical shield over you completely. I don't understand where this doctor falls into the anti-vaccine category if that is his stance. I think when you give kids medicine you have to do it. Get micro about it I don't think it will do your kids any good to just save X the scenes are all made the same and they are all safe and healthy. It's good for you that everyone benefits because she's right.

It fits well, we studied them before. we give them to the public we study them to know that they are safe, that's the thing is that we are safer, you know, being an acai intensive you see the worst of the worst and therefore you see the other side of children who don't they get vaccinated. I saw a child come in with meningococcemia, something I hadn't seen in decades. All four of his limbs were cut off, they had to be amputated because it was all dead tissue and I forgot how bad things were before we had vaccines.

I'm very proud of that. The intensivists took this path because many times subspecialists tend to talk about statistics or studies and research and with people who do not have a scientific education it is difficult to relate to that, but when you tell a powerful story like the one you just did, that really impacts. message home that children are dying they are losing limbs unnecessarily I agree with the mother on the issue of vaccines this should not be a macro issue this is a micro issue each vaccine should be evaluated but the truth of the matter is that we are We don't just say that all vaccines are good, we look at each individual vaccine, each individual vaccine has a different set of adverse reactions, aka bad things that can happen as a result of receiving them, but again, the trade-off of taking the risk of have a.

One of these adverse reactions is protection against the disease that we hope to prevent or even eradicate at times. I don't like the assumption that if a child is unvaccinated they somehow pose a risk to everyone, and furthermore, knowing that vaccinated people can also be supportive. and spread diseases. I think it's very polarizing to separate the two as if if you're vaccinated you're totally fine, you're not risking anyone anything. I don't agree with her because if you are vaccinated it doesn't mean you aren't. Putting someone at risk means that when you are vaccinated you are doing your job to protect those who cannot be vaccinated.

It doesn't mean you're a great person. It doesn't speak to your lack of ability to do harm, but that's not the case. What is the point of the question? The point of the issue is if you decide not to vaccinate your children and you are okay with your child getting measles or one of these diseases. What happens to children who have an immunodeficiency or some other type of disease? The problem is that they cannot receive vaccines and as a result, their child gives them a deadly disease and they too die. Anyone could be spreading diseases, especially things like polio and whooping cough, which again are not fully covered by the vaccine.

I agree that Not everyone is covered, but if you can reduce that probability, why not? I started vaccinating my daughter because she believed the same things you said, it wasn't until she had a reaction and several reactions that I really had to look into it. It was different, when I realized that continuing to vaccinate her would hurt her and yet everyone wants me to do it for the population. This is a very specific situation. This is where things get complicated if you have adverse reactions to vaccines. I don't think there is any doctor in the world who says keep getting vaccinated to protect us all, it doesn't matter if the vaccines harm your daughter, in fact, one of the first questions I ask before giving vaccines is: are there any Have you ever had adverse events?

Did they go and do we investigate them before administering the vaccines? If your child, for some reason, cannot receive a vaccine due to adverse events, you are part of the population that needs to be protected by herd immunity. A number of families researching vaccines will decide to opt in. without vaccines because they feel like they're just not willing to take the risk of the side effects of the side effects or the side effects are like one in a million, one or two million, while the side effects of the diseases when I see all these outbreaks and things like that I'm going to choose vaccines every time and I think that's a disservice to this conversation because it's a risk-benefit analysis and the unfortunate thing is how minimized those risks are.

I only started researching vaccines because I ended up with a child with an autoimmune disorder. Autoimmune disorders have been around before vaccines worked. The interesting thing here is that yes, it may not be one in a million or one in two million, whatever the odds are as to why opting out shouldn't be an option. vaccines when at least when it comes to public schools it is because there is herd immunity since it is my job as a doctor to make sure that the parents provide quality care to the child if the child had a broken bone and the parents were not properly treating that and He didn't want to go see a doctor and the boy was suffering as a result.

I can report it to the proper authorities. It doesn't mean that because it's your child you can do anything and not get vaccinated. It is medically and statistically proven that you are putting your child at risk of developing these deadly diseases, therefore we do not allow you to opt out, at least we do not allow you to opt out of schools and that is our wild card behind this. One in a million is not a real number and therefore what is published is that people think no, it is not when talking about the different types of reactions.

I think the number you are referring to. Anaphylactic shock is, of course, extremely rare, whereas when we look at seizures caused by the MMR vaccine they are one in 3,000, but, again, it is a creative ear when we worry about what we worry about that those who agree our side downplays those who don't. We don't necessarily downplay them, we compare them to the benefits of receiving the vaccine and if receiving a vaccine prevents you from getting a disease, which vaccines have been proven over time to do this, the one in 3000 statistic is difficult to conceptualize. . a parent because they don't know how often the actual illness occurs as a result of this, we as doctors make the recommendation that it is worth taking the one in 3000 risk of having a seizure to prevent this deadly disease from occurring.

Don't know. I think it's a downplaying idea. I think it comes back to what we were saying with the risk-benefit analysis and I think the data is very clear. It's very difficult not to talk about data when you're talking about vaccines as a doctor, but unfortunately when you're trying to influence someone and you're trying to change their mind about something that doesn't work well and I imagine this will fall on deaf ears by relying on someone who sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year in the end, parents. They know their children best. In fact, I don't agree with that statement.

The closer you are in relationship to the patient, the more likely your bias will come into play. You will not be able to make an objective decision. That's why it's strongly discouraged in the medical community to take care of your own family members as a doctor because your judgment becomes clouded and you make bad decisions, so if you went to your doctor and said "hey, my son is acting out differently after this routine visit appointment, something will happen. wrong you want them to trust that you have an established relationship and listen to you she is absolutely right if a parent brings in a child and says they are acting differently that is a huge red flag and any doctor who ignores it and say aha, I don't agree.

That's a bad sign from a doctor. In fact, I would recommend changing doctors or being in the room if you feel comfortable pointing out to the doctor that you don't think it's the right approach and that you don't feel comfortable being unwelcome. your criticisms or your thoughts about it change doctors, it's really that simple my daughter has epilepsy and in March she was also diagnosed with juvenile idiopathic arthritis I went to the rheumatologist and the rheumatologist said we're going to put her on methotrexate and I looked at her I'm like methotrexate, which It's a chemotherapy, Kimber's therapeutic agent that kids with cancer receive and she says yes, but we use it in low doses and it doesn't cause harmful side effects, you have to trust me.

I told her it's okay and I trusted her and I'm so glad I did before all this happened. She was a competitive gymnast and she used to go up and down stairs like she was 90 years old. She couldn't hold a pencil in her hand. She now she's back. the bars and back on the beam doing things my wife and I never thought she would do again. I'm so proud of these doctors who come in and really avoid delving into data and numbers and confusing and confusing the In addition to the conversation, they tell personal stories, they make it emotional, they make it reasonable because that's how you resonate with another human being, it's not about of pointing out on a pie chart people who refuse to acknowledge that vaccine reactions are happening or that the things that happened to my daughter were connected because maybe it was just a coincidence and I just needed something to attribute it to. you are socially isolated, you may be isolated by your family, isolated by the medical community, isolated by society as a whole because they assume you are unintelligent, uneducated and irrational.

I don't think we should become hostile to anti-vaxxers. I think the role here is to be compassionate and when a patient tells me something that I know is misinformation, I don't understand it. angry at the patient the feelings I have are oh man it's so unfortunate that you have come to believe that and this is what I tell myself in my head how can I find common

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between us so I can explain to them what is really happening or what are the correct steps to solve this situation. I think where hostility really arises is now when a single person refuses to vaccinate their children, but when they become activists to try to encourage other people not to vaccinate their children.

That kind of spread of misinformation is really dangerous and that's where it deserves to be removed immediately because if you're not going to talk about quality evidence, you're going to talk about expert opinion, you're just not doing it any favors. Many families, I have a lot of compassion for families where their children died from preventable diseases. There should be no hostility, there should be discussion. I mean, we can always question things and that's how we improve. If we didn't question anything we would still be in the dark ages, we are a great admirer of that doctor.

I'm glad they did this, but I'll also be a little skeptical of the people who were invited from theanti. -The vaccine side were very reasonable, they were very logical, they talked about their own experiences, if they invited the people who scream in front of the doctors' offices, if they invited the real activists who think that doctors are killing people, if they invited some of the people who send emails. to tell me that I am killing babies and that I need to see certain pieces of propaganda that are being spread around Val has been a totally different conversation would have been hostile would have been explosive, the only way we can control the situation is by educating the people who are now in the

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, telling them what to do, but educating them by explaining how horrible it was before we had vaccines, talk to the WHO and let them tell you how many lives are lost every minute when children don't have the money to get a vaccine.

We are fortunate to live in a time and country where vaccines are affordable and available to us. In fact, we have a program. at my hospital it is called a children's vaccine, if you don't even have insurance coverage we still get vaccines for these children, these are government supported programs, not for profit, they are for the protection of children, that is what the vaccines. it's about protecting children, it's about ensuring that we get the best possible outcomes and we continue to monitor this if there is new research that vaccines have a new side effect that we didn't know about, we take that into account and update our recommendations, but as of now the benefits outweigh the harms when it comes to vaccines and you should vaccinate your children just like I will do in the future and I recommend the same to all my patients if you are still curious to know more. about vaccines click here to watch my vaccine video as always stay happy and healthy