Do Transgender Athletes Have an Advantage in Female Sporting Events? | Good Morning Britain

Let's talk now about tennis legend Martina Navratilova, who defended her comments that it is unfair for

transgender

athletes

to compete in women's sport when she received letters apologizing using the word sheet, but said she wants to make sure. that women can compete on equal terms, so should

transgender

women be able to compete against

female

athletes

or does it give them an unfair

advantage

? Well, joining us now is sociologist Cashmore, who says sport must adapt to accept transgender athletes. India will be with us. admits Britain's first transgender TV news presenter and does not believe any trans person should compete at an elite level and observer, former Olympic swimmer Sharon Davis, who believes trans athletes should not compete in

sporting

events

feminine, so

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morning

to all of you, India will.

For starters, you don't believe that people who are born in a man's body but transition to become women should be able to compete against women who were born in women's bodies. I mean, I

have

to say that I feel nervous even speaking. about it because I'm always afraid of making mistakes in the language, well, I'm not afraid to discuss it because I think it's absolutely vital that we discuss it, we know that people want to explode over some strange word here or there, they are. doing what they normally do, which is intimidate people into silence about a very sensible debate, but you know, and I mean, I know exactly what you mean and I think the roots of everything that LGB is about right now It's more like the KGB in that sense. no alternative opinion is allowed.

No, the facts speak for themselves when you look at the record books. I think I looked last night. There are 2,000 men in the world right now who can run a hundred meters faster than the greatest.

female

sprinter sprint of all time 2000 1500 of the best male tennis players could beat Serena Williams, yes, so if even one of them decides to be identified, all you

have

to do, you don't have to make a complete transition or go through no surgery or anything like that. You just have to say identify as a woman you know that you have hormonal treatment to reduce your testosterone levels to the required level but physically you remain the same and then you can compete in the female yes, it is poor and it is not just about strand too.

I mean, obviously I don't take testosterone anymore. I actually have less testosterone than a naturally born woman in my body. It has more to do with the fact that if you have gone through male puberty, the chances are not exclusively, but the chances are you. You're going to be taller, you're going to be wider, your stride is going to be longer, your reach, all of these factors come into play at the elite level, where the margins are very

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, by bringing in Sharon David Sharon, it looks like you've competed at the elite level. elite of women's sports.

The journey that all of this is taking is incredibly problematic for me. I fully congratulate Martina Navratilova for putting her head above the parapet. She was shot down instantly. She was fired from charities in the United States because of this. They accused her of being transphobic despite being one of her biggest. Supporters of imaginable transgender people, frankly, would tell me this from a purely

sporting

perspective from their point of view, what is the problem, the problem is whether they have obviously gone through puberty, I mean, India said it or really, and if go through puberty, you have all the benefits of having a male body and even if you transition and reduce your testosterone, you will still have those benefits, you will have the bone structure, slightly bigger hearts, more red blood cells, you know, that's A smaller pelvis sitting on a bike makes a big difference, therefore a female athlete competing with a transgender woman will always be at a dis

advantage

.

In fact, I said I competed in the '80s when I was with the East German system. It was a different process but the same goal was all you put on the block knowing you couldn't beat this person next year no matter how hard you train and that's why I came out and said what I said to support to Martina as Paula has, you know, Nicola Adams has, a lot of people actually say that. Come on, you know we're not transphobic at all, but we understand that transphobic men and women have been through a really difficult process and we're very supportive of them, but we actually need to do that too.

Support female athletes too so I guess their knees are weak if they say they are transgender women born from male vultures, nice bodies, they can't compete against women in sport, how should they do it? What I don't want to do is discriminate against transgender athletes. What is the fair solution? Do you think so? Second question, yes, absolutely. I mean the difficulty is that you can't really organize another category besides the Olympic Games because transgender women and men would be so difficult. In a small category it would be very difficult to have a competitive race, but maybe what could be done is to have a Transgender Games that the transgender community could organize around the world, just like the transplant games that are really successful and "It's very big, so there are many options.

I'm not saying that any transgender person should not be able to compete in sports, participating in all kinds of different activities, but at an elite level when we talk about careers or communities of people, you know." I don't know about university sponsorship, scholarships and all that kind of stuff. I think you would actually be eliminating those opportunities for younger women, Professor Ellis Cashmore, you disagree with both Sharon Davis, who has competed at an elite level, and India Willoughby, who is in exactly this position, but I can understand both of their objections, so I think it's completely understandable, but this is the reality, this is a 21st century, a century in which we are embracing gender fluidity, the prison service, educational institutions, the military, what to be.

Major institutions in society are grappling with gender fluidity and will have to accommodate trans people in the future. Sports are not exempt, how is it done? Here's a time to segregate them. I separate what you want to do. This is what I want to do. I want to see that transgender people are given absolute equality and justice, that's what I hope for. There is nothing fair or equitable about allowing transgender women who were born with bulging male bodies to compete against women who are now and equal, so it is unfair, there is inequality, there is a kind of myth of justice in sport, sport will never It's been fair, you bought into that myth, so for a lot of other people, but let's face it, if I wanted to be a jockey, I couldn't be. nature and extinguish his gifts unequally in society I couldn't be a hockey I couldn't be a basketball player you could make the cut in basketball you're what you're six foot one and something like that so you could make it but I'd still be a guy small on the NBA circuit, we just have to accept the fact, so yes, the sport leaves me on a level playing field, so what's up with this thing he said?

How about a smile? Look at my death rattle from whoever put that point. This for the worst extreme right is that we know that a lot of cheating happens in sports because the comfortable Martina has withdrawn that no, no, I'm not talking about that, I think it's wrong to call athletes transgender, Jerry now deliberates, that's his name. get me finish my question I finish my question, the porn he's going to do is this, it's not beyond the realms of fantasy of a low ranking man being toxic, okay let me finish. I know that the searches are done among the top 1,500 male players in the world. beat Serena Williams, the credited thing of all time, so what if one of them decides for um a purely financial game raise your hand, yeah, let's say identify as a woman?

Yes, I will have the testosterone tree, it is not even necessary to do it. That's right, I will compete against women, win tens of millions in prize money, be a champion in everything and effectively destroy women's tennis by doing this and then I will be a man again in three years with my career over, okay, okay. okay, nothing federated, yeah, well, let me run through the scenario again for fifteen year old Colin Colin to decide he wants the success, he wants the fame, he wants the money, he wants the celebrity status, this guy is fawned over.

That comes with sporting excellence and for the next twenty years that is the length of an average sporting career the column becomes Colleen and identifies herself as a woman a richly decorated career comes to an end when she reaches the age of, Let's say, thirty-five years because the press conference says I want to thank God I want to thank all the people who supported me, especially my fans, and I'm leaving. By the way, I want to be known as Colin. I have become a man again. Do you think he is realistic? look, what I do is realistic, they are bison and in reality we see so many traps at high levels, but why does one oneself ever live a facade?

You don't think it's a big deal. I think it's very likely that someone will leave the society of the '70s, where you have states like the East Germans, where women were fed Tara's austere self, they were effectively forced to change sex. This is a possibility that it could happen, and at the end of the day, the record books speak for themselves for the men's record or Himes' oral comparison. clearly a disagreement Ellis, my point was the worst case scenario, but let's take the average case in what we're going through right now. I was in the United States for the last few weeks, right in Connecticut, the Athletics Championships, the correct level of 17 to 18 years old is being completely dominated. by transgender women who are actually 6 foot 2 3 inches, very powerful former male biological bodies, how can that fit?

This is what happened there. The girl who can't, the girl who came to eat, lost qualification for the state finals and a possible $200,000 scholarship. because the two winners were transgender women who had such a powerful build and were so fast that they didn't stand a chance and I'm not suggesting that there is an easy solution, what is a solution? So I think we have to embrace inclusion. I mean, well, that's what it means, let me answer the question and then be silent. Inclusion means that we assign the person to any event. Her current sex suggests she should compete.

Okay Sharon, I know there's more debate here if you're a guy. Now you compete. As a man, the point is that transgender women identify as women and I recognize them as such and no one is questioning their right to identify as a woman, but I am questioning their right to challenge as women and then compete unfairly against women. . born of a woman by logical bodies that's the debate it's not about being anti transgender and Sharon convinced you professor chaos theory no absolutely I don't want to say, I think that's the argument really is now I think that's the word gender and then there is the word sex and I think sex means the biological sex that you were born and that will affect you for the rest of your life because that is your DNA, your XY chromosomes or your double whatever you know.

They give you or whatever you're surprised, it's important that we support Sharon, how are you? We've already had this discussion about not doing we've already had that discussion once before actually on the radio ten days ago and you know I leaned on the fact that she should be able to compete if she chooses a truth for a woman, right?